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Connor Barwin is a Texan!

The Pencil Neck said:
Situational pass rushing specialist.
Special teams.
Goal line TE.

So, you're going to get a lot more snaps out of this guy than just coming in on 3rd down.

In the future, possible LB.
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I like this pick since he is now the Texans version of Mike Vrabel at DE instead of LB
 
I think I've solved the position issue.

Connor Barwin = Football Player

Sounds like a guy who would say "Yes Coach" and throw his helmet on if you told him to go place kick or snap the ball.
 
BattleRedToro said:
3rd and 3 is not a passing down.
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I disagree.

That's a perfect place to run a PA Pass or a bootleg. Especially near the goal line.

3rd and 1? Yeah, the percentages say it's a run. 3rd and 2? Probably still a rushing play. But 3rd and 3? That's nine feet that you gotta' go to get a first down, and that's a great place to fake it to the RB and hit the TE or WR on a multitude of pass routes for short yardage plays.

The danger of 3rd and 3 is that it's easily an "either or" type of situation. The Colts' offense is excellent at that sort of deal. Dallas Clark alone is proof of this.
 
GP said:
If Barwin had gone to the Patriots, people would be impressed and say "There they go again, they just know how to get talent that nobody else sees."

We get a guy (and I don't know crap about the guy, until I look at t he vids) and yet again: People are gloom and doom on here.

Some people really shouldn't mix uppers and alcohol.

The fact that Smithiak has claimed Mario Williams, Okoye, Cushing, and Barwin in the top portion of our draft...well, that shows you how eff'd up Capers and Casserly had drafted on defense all those years.

Our defense is taking some baby steps to hopefully improve. Kubiak was able to take our 2-14 offense and get it ranked 3rd overall after 3 seasons of suckdom. Now it seems he's trying to correct the defense problems by using defense picks over the past 2 or 3 drafts.

I wouldn't blame him if we didn't take am offense player until round 6. This defense needed major help. Maybe Barwin is Babin. Maybe he's not. But we went defense in rounds 1 and 2, and I'm thinking Bush knows exactly how to utilize those guys. Would Richard Smith have been able to? I doubt it.

Honesty time: We won't know until September if these guys are good or not. I know that the media's draft gurus on TV love certain players...until the Texans draft them, and suddenly they turn into crappy players and an awful pick by the Texans. I think that's an indictment of our former d-coordinators who have had stupid philosophies and bad development & utilization of those defensive players, essentially rendering those players useless once they suit up in a Texans uniform. God help Frank Bush, and may he know what the heck he is doing...our defense HAS to produce this season.
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Nice post. and just for the record....for the third year in a row NFLn went to a
Coors comercial at our second round pick. I won't be buying that brand or the camera....for a very long time. Very Bad form NFLn.....if we do turn it around.. I hope you don't come around expecting a lot of love here.
 
I like the player, Connor Barwin is a great athlete, big, strong, fast, quick, he's got lots of potential. He can play DE, OLB, and TE. I just don't like the pick since S is one of our biggest needs and William Moore and Rashad Johnson were still available. We could also use help on the O-line and Andy Levitre was still available. He's a good player with the potential to be great but he's a bad pick since he'll be a backup at all the positions he plays and we need starters in the 2nd round.
 
His highlights certainly show him being able to be effective against the run, leading me to believe that he will be in there on more than passing downs. He also appears to have the moves to rush right up the inside as well as around the outside.
 
Goatcheese said:
I don't get the comparisons to Babin, Vrabel, KVB, and Jared Allen.

He reminds me more of Leonard Little than any of those guys.
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I get the KVB reference in that they're both pretty instinctive & their motor never stops. He's got much more quickness & speed than KVB though.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Some impressive highlights of him as a DE LINK

I doubt that he disappoints.
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Thanks for the link. I think he'll be an excellent addition to the defense.
 
GP said:
I disagree.

That's a perfect place to run a PA Pass or a bootleg. Especially near the goal line.

3rd and 1? Yeah, the percentages say it's a run. 3rd and 2? Probably still a rushing play. But 3rd and 3? That's nine feet that you gotta' go to get a first down, and that's a great place to fake it to the RB and hit the TE or WR on a multitude of pass routes for short yardage plays.

The danger of 3rd and 3 is that it's easily an "either or" type of situation. The Colts' offense is excellent at that sort of deal. Dallas Clark alone is proof of this.
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I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't pass on 3rd and 3. What I am saying is 3rd and 3 is not an obvious passing down, which is what we were discussing.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
His highlights certainly show him being able to be effective against the run, leading me to believe that he will be in there on more than passing downs. He also appears to have the moves to rush right up the inside as well as around the outside.
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I think he might be able to play WILL in the future, but for now he will likely be used as a situational pass-rusher, special teams phenom, and perhaps even some plays as a goal line TE.
 
I feel that Connor Barwin is an excellent choice...His versatillity = good value in the mid second round. With the addition of Cushing in the 1st round, I really like our 1st day draft. :brando:
 
All you guys complaining about Barwin just shut up and get ready to have your minds blown when you see how good he looks in those Babin tats!

We've been without an intimidating (looking) inked up presence since Jason Babin got traded and I think it's time we got that whole "Whose the guy with the Optimus Prime flames on his arms?" aspect of our defense back.

Ridiculous ink without performing?
Matt Stevens
Jason Babin
Who's next?

Might just be Conner Barwin!
 
Hervoyel said:
All you guys complaining about Barwin just shut up and get ready to have your minds blown when you see how good he looks in those Babin tats!

We've been without an intimidating (looking) inked up presence since Jason Babin got traded and I think it's time we got that whole "Whose the guy with the Optimus Prime flames on his arms?" aspect of our defense back.

Ridiculous ink without performing?
Matt Stevens
Jason Babin
Who's next?

Might just be Conner Barwin!
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funny you mention that 'cause he jokes about getting tons of tats in this video.
 
The more I think about this pick; the better I feel about it. Our D needs serious help. (Surprise right?) We couldn't pressure a peewee offense. This offseason shows obviously the FO sees this to be a serious problem and is addressing it. With all the uncertainty in the backfield w/our DBs it looks like our solution might be PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
His highlights certainly show him being able to be effective against the run, leading me to believe that he will be in there on more than passing downs. He also appears to have the moves to rush right up the inside as well as around the outside.
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Good post, this guy is a pass rush guy but can Antonio play every single 1st and 2nd down? Can Mario play every single down? There are rotational snaps on 1st and 2nd downs that Barwin is going to play (likely at both DE spots) as well as anything 3rd and .....
 
I just learned something that I didn't know (nor did Barwin)................the 2008 top rookie sack leader was a DE converted from TE......the Raider's Trevor Scott!

I got that in this interview of Barwin. LINK Barwin comes across as an intelligent, well-spoken young man with lots of confidence in being able to do whatever his new NFL team will ask of him. He evidently visited quite a few teams.
 
I actually like barwin more than cushing. I think Cushing is leverage vs ryans. Cushing is more suited as a mlb and ryans wants a new contract. Barwin is a pressure player. He's a ex te so he probably understands routes. He had 11 sacks in his only season at de so he has a lot of room to still grow. Just like woodley played before and had a bigger impact than timmons in pittsburgh, I can see barwin making a bigger splash than cushing.
 
I wonder how often he hears the David Schwimmer comparison?

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Some impressive highlights of him as a DE LINK

I doubt that he disappoints.
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If Bill Bates had been bigger and faster, he would have been Barwin. I'll explain in just a second.

From that link you gave me, I see a guy who has more of everything that Babin didn't have any of:

1. I was MOST impressed by his awareness of what was about to happen, and how he always "played within himself." There were times when he shut down his pass rush and flew to the spot where he could knock the pass down, or get to where the QB was going to be at, or find the ball carrier and tackle him. Bill Bates had that sort of awareness.

2. His speed, on that video (and on his Pro Day video, running the 40), looks by all means to be pretty freaking fast. Babin was a "leaner," he would be almost down on the ground when he turned the edge on a pass rush and o-linemen would just shove him and neutralize him. Barwin seems to have that balance during his pass rush where he can use his hands and clear himself from the hands of the blocker while increasing his speed as he runs upfield. Bill Bates had that sort of hand & balance talent, and I know Bates and Barwin are not close on the speed factor.

3. Judging from the interviews, Barwin is a straight-shooting talker. There's no jock talk. Bill Bates was fairly cerebral when he spoke about the game.

This guy is what Capers and Casserly thought they had seen in Babin.

I expect Barwin and Marciano to fall madly in love with one another (in a football sense!) because this guy is going to see time on special teams. Like Bill Bates did. And we all know what Bill Bates did on special teams. I was never a Cowboys fan, but I sure did appreciate the sort of player they had in Bill Bates. He just had that football sense that you can't coach or train.

Thanks for the link, CND. Rep your way, except it says I have to spread it around first.
 
I was reading a few other message boards and I get the feeling that most people like the Barwin pick. The Texans get a three-in-one type of player that can play TE when needed, is good on special teams, and can become are future pass-rushing OLB/DE.
 
http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=587

WMH
NFL.com had this to say about him:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profil...arwin?id=71197

Pick Analysis: The pass-rushing phenom from Cincinnati lands with the Texans at the 46th pick. A tremendous athlete with outstanding speed and quickness, Barwin has the requisite movement skills to develop into a versatile situational player as a pro. Though the Texans have primarily used the 4-3, Barwin's skills allow the flexibility to incorporate some hybrid looks into the game plan.
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DE Connor Barwin Cincinnatti HOU 6' 4" 256 4.59 21 40.5 2.68 1.53 10.75 6.87 4.18 72.25 12.58 5.74

I like the athleticism the team is going for on defense.
Cushing had explosion of 75 and Athletic Index of 5.96, then we go and get this guy.
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Drew Boylhart said:
Connor Barwin DE/OLB Cincinnati

STRENGTHS
Connor is the type of player I love to draft. He has good athleticism, work ethic and looks to be a quality kid. He has those long arms that drive opponents crazy all game long. Connor can play more than one position, but his impact position, in my opinion, will be as a OLB in a 3-4 defense. He is a LB stuck in a DE's body. In fact, he reminds me of a former player called the mad stork, Ted Hendricks (HOF LB Raiders). Connor is not as tall as Ted was, but he does remind me of him sometimes on the field. Connor is just learning the DE position so switching him to another position will not set him back too far. He has the work ethic and intelligence to go along with very good athleticism and those damn long arms to be an impact OLB sooner than one might think.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
He needs to learn a new position! Give him time and he will do it and be a Pro Bowler at it. I have no doubt as an OLB in a 3-4 he will impact, but as a DE in a 4-3, Connor will be a good solid player but not an impact player -- kind of like a Patrick Kerney style of DE. In the meantime, while he learns, he will impact on special teams.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1
Connor most likely will not be drafted in the first round, but he has 1st round talent and potential. The teams with a 3-4 defense should rate him higher than those teams with 4-3 defenses, but for me, Connor is the style of player I look for when drafting. I rate him high in spite of him having to learn a new position. I rate him high because I know his first year, as he learns, that he will still make plays when he is on the field. Talent is talent. It does not matter if his impact (while he learns) is on special teams. It's still impact. When I watch Connor drop off the line, smell out a screen and interrupt that play like he has been a DE all of his life, I know this kid is going to be something. Most DE's are lucky to smell that play out after eight years of playing in the NFL much less only one year of playing that position. When he spreads his wings, Connor has an advantage as a LB that most others do not have. QB's will throw to his side thinking Connor is not near enough to the play and they will be wrong. Connor will spread out and add a quick burst and snatch that ball right out of the air. When Connor was on the field on defense, his college team played better and with more consistency. As soon as he left the field to take a breather, that defense lost its composer. I saw this in the game against West Virginia. That is a leader by example. To gain the respect of your teammates the first year you play a position you haven't played before is something special. I call him Connor (Crazy Stork) Barwin because he could have the same type of impact as Ted had for his team a long, long time ago.
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http://thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/protected/archive/2009DRAFT/PlayerProfiles/Conner.Barwin.htm
 
Texecutioner said:
WHo the hell is this guy?
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exactly....
awtysst said:
Barwin is a versatile player. He can play LB, DE, TE or on special teams.
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what a project with the second round pick...couldnt we have gotten him in the 3rd round (or player like him)
Polo said:
:shrug:

I heard a lot of people talking about him before the draft...
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Where? I really dont recall the draft connor bartwin threads anywhere on here.
Mari-OWNED! said:
Yay... Another "developmental" player. :tomato:

I'm fine with the Cushing pick, but I'm not too sure about this one...
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At last reason...
nunusguy said:
Now I'm pumped ! I honestly would have taken this guy over Cushing if given the choice. I'm really excited because maybe he's the guy across from Mario in passing situations we've been needing ? You've got to stick your neck out, take some chances and this guy has downside for sure, but he's got tons of upside ! Did I mention I was excited about Connor Barwin !
OKay, this thing may be coming together for the Texans on D !
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I thought I was drinking the Koolaid...but this is just ridiculous
Hervoyel said:
All you guys complaining about Barwin just shut up and get ready to have your minds blown when you see how good he looks in those Babin tats!

We've been without an intimidating (looking) inked up presence since Jason Babin got traded and I think it's time we got that whole "Whose the guy with the Optimus Prime flames on his arms?" aspect of our defense back.

Ridiculous ink without performing?
Matt Stevens
Jason Babin
Who's next?

Might just be Conner Barwin!
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That is what I am afraid of..its like the the board has collectivly lost its mind...and memories.from what I am reading this dude is a top ten pic. Slow down he played one year on defense..he coachable....he is a football player...he has a good attitude..ok..all stuff we have heard before...I still dont buy he was worth a 2nd round pick...especially when there are more needs than collecting DEs.
 
However...if he can stop a fat qb from converting a 4th and 8.(something that eluded our 120 million dollar d-line)..I am all for him.... welcome to Houston.
 
Connor Barwin was a late 1st/early 2nd round player by most so called experts, that's where he was expected to go.

You're question isn't so much was Barwin a reach but was he a reach for us. Frank Bush said they really thought Barwin would be taken about 10 picks before #46 but when he was still available, they were really excited.

It looks to me that (even though he only has played DE 1 season), he can rush the passer with the best of them. Aaron Maybin is in the same boat and he went #11 overall.

I do think they could have gotten a similar kind of situational pass rusher later, like a Brandon Williams... but they liked Barwin enough to take him in the 2nd. I'm totally cool with that. A pass rusher was deemed a NEED for the team and guess what, we got a hell of a pass rusher.

Score for the home team, imo.

ps- there was definitely some talk about him pre draft for the Texans, some on here really wanted him in the 2nd. I always figured he'd go late 1st/early 2nd to a 3-4 team like the Pats and I focused on other players.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Connor Barwin was a late 1st/early 2nd round player by most so called experts, that's where he was expected to go.

You're question isn't so much was Barwin a reach but was he a reach for us. Frank Bush said they really thought Barwin would be taken about 10 picks before #46 but when he was still available, they were really excited.

It looks to me that (even though he only has played DE 1 season), he can rush the passer with the best of them. Aaron Maybin is in the same boat and he went #11 overall.

I do think they could have gotten a similar kind of situational pass rusher later, like a Brandon Williams... but they liked Barwin enough to take him in the 2nd. I'm totally cool with that. A pass rusher was deemed a NEED for the team and guess what, we got a hell of a pass rusher.

Score for the home team, imo.

ps- there was definitely some talk about him pre draft for the Texans, some on here really wanted him in the 2nd. I always figured he'd go late 1st/early 2nd to a 3-4 team like the Pats and I focused on other players.
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good point, but we need to have a player in the secondary that is NFL ready. I am afraid that any players we get with our late round pics are going to be more Antwan Moldens...and thats all we need is more start Molden and______ threads. I am not understanding why everyone is so quick to jump on a bandwagon we have seen before.

Its the same arguments every draft:
Travis Johnson was better than Derrick Johnson (nope)
Jason Babin was a steal and a high energy guy..next Mike Vrabel(yeah..no)
Frank Okam was supposed to be the run stopper we were looking for. (ummm no)
Antwan Molden was faster than DRC.( ok not a d-lineman but example of how people buy into scouting reports and just regurgitated someone leses analysis)

I am done with settling and I am done with projects..now is the time to win..not to wait.
 
spurstexanstros said:
good point, but we need to have a player in the secondary that is NFL ready. I am afraid that any players we get with our late round pics are going to be more Antwan Moldens...and thats all we need is more start Molden and______ threads. I am not understanding why everyone is so quick to jump on a bandwagon we have seen before.
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Agreed... I really wanted one of the Safeties with our 2nd (Moore,Johnson,Smith). But I'm really liking the Barwin pick. I think we can get a good S in the 3rd/4th round too.
 
spurstexanstros said:
good point, but we need to have a player in the secondary that is NFL ready. I am afraid that any players we get with our late round pics are going to be more Antwan Moldens...and thats all we need is more start Molden and______ threads. I am not understanding why everyone is so quick to jump on a bandwagon we have seen before.

Its the same arguments every draft:
Travis Johnson was better than Derrick Johnson (nope)
Jason Babin was a steal and a high energy guy..next Mike Vrabel(yeah..no)
Frank Okam was supposed to be the run stopper we were looking for. (ummm no)
Antwan Molden was faster than DRC.( ok not a d-lineman but example of how people buy into scouting reports and just regurgitated someone leses analysis)
I am done with settling and I am done with projects..now is the time to win..not to wait.
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Okay, so all you want are elite talents (that you've heard of) that had highly productive college careers and are close to finished projects... That's great! because there are a ton of those guys in the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds!

By the way, your 4 examples of bad picks are pretty darn silly! First, this group of decision-makers are only responsible for 2 of those guys. Molden was highly productive on special teams and Frank Okam was a 5th round pick that didn't produce as a rookie. Second, you don't even mention players like Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, Zac Diles, Fred Bennett, Dominique Barber, Xavier Adibi who have all produced early in their careers. So, you are actually frustrated with a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick from last season because they didn't crack the starting lineup as rookies? This is your evidence, combined with crap that happened under Casserly and Capers, and the fact that you don't know who this guy is... why the Barwin pick was a bad one?

Wow! Are you sure you shouldn't be rooting for the Dallas Cowboys? I really feel like you have the intelligence, emotional maturity, inflated sense of yourself, and myopic view of the world to be a great Cowboy fan. Think about it.
 
dalemurphy said:
Okay, so all you want are elite talents (that you've heard of) that had highly productive college careers and are close to finished projects... That's great! because there are a ton of those guys in the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds!

By the way, your 4 examples of bad picks are pretty darn silly! First, this group of decision-makers are only responsible for 2 of those guys. Molden was highly productive on special teams and Frank Okam was a 5th round pick that didn't produce as a rookie. So, you are actually frustrated with a 3rd round pick from and a 5th round pick from last season because they didn't crack the starting lineup as rookies? This is your evidence, combined with crap that happened under Casserly and Capers, and the fact that you don't know who this guy is... why the Barwin pick was a bad one?

Wow! Are you sure you shouldn't be rooting for the Dallas Cowboys? I really feel like you have the intelligence, emotional maturity, inflated sense of yourself, and myopic view of the world to be a great Cowboy fan. Think about it.
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No...I am frustrated that we did not address the need of SS...heck would have taken a CB. Glaring and obvious needs that should be filled with as high of a quality player as possible. We need another DE like we need another WR...sure its great to have depth..but what good is it to have a player who is a project..when we have been drafting projects for years. Amobi...yeah he is young tremendous upside ( jury is still out) Okam ( he will play harder in the pros) and now we have another Mr Upside.

I am not being myopic...I am seeing the same mistakes done over and over

Tell me what Barwin brings to the table that we didnt already have and couldnt have waited until a later round.
 
Even if this guys only purpose is to reverse our ridiculous defensive efforts on 3rd and long situations, he is worth the 2nd rounder and every penny.
 
spurstexanstros said:
No...I am frustrated that we did not address the need of SS...heck would have taken a CB. Glaring and obvious needs that should be filled with as high of a quality player as possible. We need another DE like we need another WR...sure its great to have depth..but what good is it to have a player who is a project..when we have been drafting projects for years. Amobi...yeah he is young tremendous upside ( jury is still out) Okam ( he will play harder in the pros) and now we have another Mr Upside.

I am not being myopic...I am seeing the same mistakes done over and over

Tell me what Barwin brings to the table that we didnt already have and couldnt have waited until a later round.
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Most college football players are projects! ... particularly after the first round!

In the case of Barwin, he's going to have an immediate impact on passing downs and on Special Teams. We desperately needed a pure pass rusher.

You're nuts if you think someone like William Moore could immediately step in and play safety at a high level. He'd be a project too.

We need good football players. That's it! Barwin looks to be one. I hope Cushing is also.

We still have 6 of our 8 picks left. There is plenty of opportunity to address our needs: Safety, RB, OC/OG. Relax!
 
Good information on NFL.com; LINK

Analysis

Positives: Tall with a well-developed upper body. Physical at the point of attack. Can get under the offensive tackle's pads and push him into the quarterback. Has effective stutter and spin moves. Relentless as a pass rusher, he also hustles down the line and chases ballcarriers downfield. Good backfield awareness to knock down passes and keep contain on reverses, run plays and bootlegs. Uses his hands well to keep blockers away and shed to make tackles. Stands up on some plays -- may fit as a 3-4 rush linebacker. Very coachable because of his intelligence, work ethic and motor. A special teams ace since his freshman year; he blocked three punts in 2008. Played power forward for the Bearcats' basketball team for two seasons as a walk-on.

Negatives: A bit tight in the hips, is not smooth changing direction or handling coverage in the flat. Is not a quick-twitch athlete. Although he showed some explosiveness and suddenness off the edge, NFL tackles will be more difficult to beat. Inexperienced on defense, played only one season; must continue working on his pass-rushing techniques.

Compares To (Defense): MATT ROTH, Miami -- Like Roth, Barwin plays with a nonstop motor. Right now, he makes plays on instincts alone, but you can see with each passing week that he is developing a good feel for the game. Still, with his speed and edge rushing skills, he could be a nice fit in a 3-4 alignment as a strong-side linebacker.

Compares To (Offense): MATT SCHOBEL, Philadelphia -- If Barwin is utilized in a short-area passing attack, he has shown the ability to move the chains. His speed is his best asset, but he has shown good lower body strength to break tackles and pick up yardage after the catch.

Injury Report

No major injuries reported.

Overview

When someone came up with that phrase, "consummate team player," Barwin was the type of athlete they had in mind. He has done everything he could to stay on the field, excelling as a pass rusher, pass catcher and kick blocker for the defense, offense and special team units. Barwin has also played for the Bearcats' basketball team at the conclusion of the football season the last two seasons.

On the football season, he has excelled as a wedge buster on the kickoff return unit, as a gunner on the punt coverage squad, as a kick blocker and a terrific hitter who has delivered bone-jarring tackles on opposing returners. In addition, Barwin proved to be a clutch receiver at the tight end and H-back positions.

Barwin has amassed 40 first downs among his 53 receptions, converting eight third-down snaps and three more on fourth-down throws. Twenty-six of his receptions gained at least 10 yards, with 13 of those grabs for 20 yards or longer. His clutch receptions produced 20 touchdown drives and three other series that ended with Cincinnati field goals.

At the University of Detroit Jesuit High School, Barwin was named the team's Offensive and Defensive Most Valuable Player as a senior. He added All-District, All-League and All-Catholic honors and was rated the state's 17th-best prospect by the Detroit Free Press. He was also selected to play in the East-West All-Star Game.

Barwin added a pair of letters in basketball during his prep days. He garnered second-team All-League honors as a junior, leading the squad to the district title. As a senior, he picked up All-Catholic recognition.

Barwin was one of two true freshmen to letter at Cincinnati in 2005, wearing jersey No 89 and appearing in all 11 games as a reserve tight end. He caught 8 of 14 passes targeted to him, good for 144 yards (18.0 avg), one touchdown and eight first downs. He also posted two solo tackles and recovered one fumble.

After the 2005 football season, Barwin joined the Cincinnati 2005-06 basketball team as a walk-on. He appeared in 18 contests as a reserve, averaging 9.9 minutes per game. He shot 38.9 percent from the field (7 of 18 field goals) and 80 percent from the foul line (4 of 5 free throws). He also pulled down 40 rebounds (2.2 rpg), handed out four assists and blocked three shots.

As a sophomore, the Bearcat Academic Honor Roll selection shared tight end chores with Brent Celek, starting two of the 13 games he appeared in. He ranked sixth on the team, catching 13 of 18 passes targeted to him (opposition deflected three of those attempts) for 148 yards (11.4 avg) and two touchdowns. Nine of his receptions were good for first downs, as he also led the special teams unit with eight solo tackles.

Like he did after his freshman football season, Barwin joined the Bearcats' 2006-07 basketball team. He appeared in 23 games as a swingman, hitting 10 of 23 field goals (43.5 percent) and 7 of 13 free throws (53.8 percent) for 27 points (1.2 ppg). He totaled 31 rebounds (1.4 rpg), had nine blocks and doled out five assists.

In 2007, Barwin played most of the snaps at tight end, even though he did not start any of the 13 games he appeared in. He finished fourth on the team, catching 31 of 41 passes targeted to him for 399 yards (12.9 avg) and two touchdowns. Twenty-two of his receptions were good for first downs. He also delivered three solo tackles, recovered two fumbles, recovered a blocked field goal and gained 18 yards on a blocked punt return.

Changes came on several fronts for the former tight end in 2008. Barwin switched to jersey No. 5 from No. 89, also moving to the other side of the ball as the team's starting right defensive end. The defensive end registered 53 tackles (27 solos) as he led the Big East Conference and ranked seventh in the nation with 12.0 sacks, breaking the NCAA major college single-season record for most sacks by a player in his first season on defense. He paced the team and ranked second in the league with 17.0 stops for losses, led the Bearcats and Big East with 20 quarterback pressures and blocked three kicks while also catching one pass for a 1-yard score.
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I'll be the first to admit that I didn't like what I saw out of this guy. After seeing more film on him, he reminds me of Ray Childress for some reason. I said Babin earlier because all I ever saw him doing was spin moves.

Then I hear he was a converted TE and in his first season as DE he had 11 sacks. He also said he found a new passion for being on defense. That has some good sound to it.
 
spurstexanstros said:
exactly....

Where? I really dont recall the draft connor bartwin threads anywhere on here.
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Hottoddie said:
You must not read this board too often.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60268&highlight=barwin

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59212&highlight=barwin

Here's the link to 3 pages worth of threads in which Barwin was discussed to some degree or another.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=422835&pp=30
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I read said threads and dont see the "buzz" two people talking about an article...so why wasnt he taken in first round? Why couldnt we have waited for a player like this.
 
spurstexanstros said:
I read said threads and dont see the "buzz" two people talking about an article...so why wasnt he taken in first round? Why couldnt we have waited for a player like this.
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Now, that's a good argument!: Criticise our second round pick because he wasn't taken in the first round. Wow! I think you're on to something.
 
dalemurphy said:
Most college football players are projects! ... particularly after the first round!

In the case of Barwin, he's going to have an immediate impact on passing downs and on Special Teams. We desperately needed a pure pass rusher.

You're nuts if you think someone like William Moore could immediately step in and play safety at a high level. He'd be a project too.

We need good football players. That's it! Barwin looks to be one. I hope Cushing is also.

We still have 6 of our 8 picks left. There is plenty of opportunity to address our needs: Safety, RB, OC/OG. Relax!
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And what exactly are Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye, Antonio Smith, Cato June, Bulman....

Wow...I knew the Koolaid was strong.....but wow.

I really hope he can be another Bulman....if he can great...If he can stop a 4th and 8 great...

I still think we could have waited on this position.
 
The more I read about him as a tight end, the more I'm interested in seeing him on offense every now and then.

He really moved the chain in College and that speed would cause all sorts of matchup advantages.
 
I am not going to try to put the kool aid glasses on. but I think we need to take a step back. Do we really know what Bush has for plans for the defense? Sure, the thing has been said about a more aggressive defense is to be installed and I understand that seeing is believing , but we haven't seen a bush defense in action yet. Will it be more aggressive or not? well , we won't know until September.. It is all on faith right now. Bush's job (and assistants) are to get utilize the skills of these guys and put them into positions that will make them and the defensive unit to succeed... I think everyone is in agreement that what a guy did in college doesn't quite translate what he can do in the NFL(different schemes different talent level, different utilization,etc) It is on our coaches now. All we can do is go by what players have done in college, (check out there pro day stuff) and go from there. It is all about putting the puzzle pieces together for the scheme that we are trying to do... I know this is a captain obvious moment but lets let the chips fall where they fall.

:texflag: Coaches time to earn your pay!
 
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