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College Football All Star Challenge

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Texans_Chick

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Sorry if this was posted before, but there is a made for TV College Football All-Star Challenge thing that is going to be on ESPN on Saturday.

VY will be in it. Bush and Leinart opted out.

Here is an article about VY's participation in it and more:

link-"Young ready for chance to showcase his arm"

I kinda like junk sports TV. Battle of the Network Stars was a favo. Imaginary bonus points for the first poster to name the unlikely guy that beat Robert Conrad in a footrace.:superman:
 
Texans_Chick said:
I kinda like junk sports TV. Battle of the Network Stars was a favo. Imaginary bonus points for the first poster to name the unlikely guy that beat Robert Conrad in a footrace.:superman:
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Gabe Kaplan don't ask how I know that.
 
cap1 said:
Gabe Kaplan don't ask how I know that.
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The thing is that if all the places in our brain that are filled with useless knowledge and silly stuff were filled with actual practical highly educated stuff, cancer would be cured.

In the meantime, we are left with the College Football All-Star Challenge, and making people smile.:redtowel:

I'm gonna have to remember to TiVO it:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/13745731.htm

Football stars on displayVince Young or Reggie Bush?

If you had the first pick in the NFL Draft, which one would you choose?

Both Bush, the Southern Cal running back who ran away with the Heisman Trophy, and Young, the Texas quarterback who ran away from USC to win the Rose Bowl MVP and the national title, will be at Dolphins Stadium today to compete in the Capital One College Football All-Star Challenge.
There will be three divisions of competitors: quarterbacks, receivers/running backs and kickers.
The event, which features some of college football's top players, will begin at 12:30 p.m. and will air Feb. 4 on ESPN. It's open to the public.
Young and Bush head the field that includes Miami wide receiver Sinorice Moss, Florida wide receiver Chad Jackson, Alabama quarterback Brodie Croyle, Maryland tight end Vernon Davis, Clemson quarterback Charlie Whitehurst and Memphis running back DeAngelo Williams.


The article is wrong because Bush isn't showing.
 
what's sad is people are going to pick who they want based on this all-star. "oh man, vince young missed that tire by like 3 yards! draft bush"
 
kastofsna said:
what's sad is people are going to pick who they want based on this all-star. "oh man, vince young missed that tire by like 3 yards! draft bush"
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Do you get a paycheck for dissing every move VY makes? Give it a rest. You have very little posts on this board and three fourths of them are bashing VY. Do you really have nothing to do or what?
 
kbourda said:
Do you get a paycheck for dissing every move VY makes? Give it a rest. You have very little posts on this board and three fourths of them are bashing VY. Do you really have nothing to do or what?
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yes. except i wasn't bashing young there. i was bashing ignorant fans who don't watch college football, or don't know what makes a good quarterback. but good attempt at sherlocking me anyway
 
kbourda said:
Do you get a paycheck for dissing every move VY makes? Give it a rest. You have very little posts on this board and three fourths of them are bashing VY. Do you really have nothing to do or what?
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Um, he wasn't bashing him.
 
I read this in the paper today and had flashbacks to Robert Edwards blowing his knee playing sand voleyball at the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I read this in the paper today and had flashbacks to Robert Edwards blowing his knee playing sand voleyball at the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
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You stand there and see who can throw the farthest, and then try to throw at moving targets.

Not too dangerous.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
You stand there and see who can throw the farthest, and then try to throw at moving targets.

Not too dangerous.
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Well the one picture had him doing the ropes so I just thought about a trip and fall.
 
kastofsna said:
young getting injured would be a blessing in disguise for texans fans
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Anyhow, the deal was taped and has already happened. So I'm guessing if he got hurt, we would know, so he didn't and I guess that means we are not "blessed."

Ish, what an ugly thought.

I think the biggest blessing is for Bush and Young and Leinart and Brick and everyone near the top of the draft to look sweet so the first pick is worth more.
 
Does anyone know how VY did in the challenge? I know they are going to show it on Espn on Sat. but I would like some insight on his performance.
 
64 into a stiff wind. Not bad. I hope we can put the girly-arm talk to rest. The first two were over 70, but wide right.
 
Dr. Toro said:
64 into a stiff wind. Not bad. I hope we can put the girly-arm talk to rest. The first two were over 70, but wide right.
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64 INTO a stiff wind? wow. That is an arm.
 
kastofsna said:
young getting injured would be a blessing in disguise for texans fans
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What an awful thing to say about anyone. Saying anyone getting hurt is a "blessing". You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
In the receiving drill you had to catch balls for ball machines set at 60-70mph for 30 seconds.

Results:
Chad jackson:27
Sinorice Moss: 19 catches
Vernon Davis:16
D'Angelo Williams: 15
 
Jackson has been very impressive... that guy is jacked and fast with hands.

I know this is just a made for TV event, but Young looked ridiculously good in that scrambling deal.

I was impressed by Davis in the agility drill, we've all heard how he's a weight room warrior, but he's very smooth. You wouldn't know he was a weight room freak by watching him move.
 
yeah, funny thign was, that was the most relevant drill for us. it had to do with scrambling and throwing on the run, something the kubiak offense involves a lot of, and vince looked awesome.

all that being said, most of those drills were pretty worthless in terms of talent evaluation really, i wouldn't put hardly any stock in it, although chad jackson certianly didn't hurt his draft stock with in that pass catching drill, that one-hander was sick.
 
The thing that stood out for me was the end where VInce was standing next to the other players. He looked HUGE. I mean HUGE. He looked taller then the TE Davis and could be about his size. And he runs a 4.46 40. Wow.
 
Next showing is Wednesday, 2/8 at 2:30 am.


(For those of us who have TiVO but were too oblivious to record the original showing of it).
 
I know there are some Omar Jacobs fans out there, so how come Omar wasnt there today, and ummm... are there going to be any more chances for the public to see some NFL Prospects before the combine, if u do reply to this message.
 
Dr. Toro said:
64 into a stiff wind. Not bad. I hope we can put the girly-arm talk to rest. The first two were over 70, but wide right.
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The first two were supposed to be about 70 yards but they were also 20 yards wide right, not overly impressive accuracy, either way he got beat by Brodie Croyle in an arm strength contest. Throwing a ball 64 yards without anyone around isn't overly impressive, I can get one 55-60 yards without having any kind of collegiate coaching, and I wouldn't miss that far to the side either, but that tends to happen when you have more of a sidearm throw.

travfrancis said:
yeah, funny thign was, that was the most relevant drill for us. it had to do with scrambling and throwing on the run, something the kubiak offense involves a lot of, and vince looked awesome.

all that being said, most of those drills were pretty worthless in terms of talent evaluation really, i wouldn't put hardly any stock in it, although chad jackson certianly didn't hurt his draft stock with in that pass catching drill, that one-hander was sick.
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I personally would rather see him be able to stand in the pocket and make an accurate throw to a target moving 20 yards down the field, besides Vince was competing against Brodie Croyle, Charlie Whitehurst, and Drew Olson, so much of his top competition was not there. Anyways, I'm not trying to bash Vince here, just pointing out that this thing did not do much to help or hurt anyone's perceived talents and change their draft status, this was just a made-for-TV thing and shouldn't be read into that much for actual game talent.
 
kastofsna said:
arm strength isn't just throwing a deep ball
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true.

I would rather have a QB who is accurate with a tight spiral than one who can "rainbow" one 64 yards. Highschool QB's can hit 64 easily. College QB's need to refine accuracy.
 
...most of you VY bashers obviously did not see the entire challenge because all the QB's threw in the scenarios you are bashing Y about--sorry. He finished 2nd(barely) in the accuracy challenge that involved setting up and throwing at moving targets at different distances--Young finished 2nd in the distance throws (by 2 yds), hampered by winds up to 100 mph--and won the agility/running/throwing contest and was the only QB to hit the 2 targets. He won over QBs all ranked in the top 10.

He's working out 12 hrs a day for the combine, where--unlike your SoCal boys--will show case his talents. Before it's over, I get the feeling you Bush lovers are going to look like the Caper :homer: 's of last year, who could say nothing objective that did not involve bashing/name calling, etc....

...Almost forgot--watch the show (it repeats) so you can hear the announcers rave about Young's arm strength and accutacy but I've got faith in you bashers--however, I'm worried your'e going to run out of smoke. Too, whatever happened to backing up your opinion with fact?? Remember, Young was the most efficient QB in the nation last year.
 
MorKnolle said:
I personally would rather see him be able to stand in the pocket and make an accurate throw to a target moving 20 yards down the field, besides Vince was competing against Brodie Croyle, Charlie Whitehurst, and Drew Olson, so much of his top competition was not there. Anyways, I'm not trying to bash Vince here, just pointing out that this thing did not do much to help or hurt anyone's perceived talents and change their draft status, this was just a made-for-TV thing and shouldn't be read into that much for actual game talent.
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I am thinking that knee braced Leinart would have looked not so good in the agility/accuracy drill. Hence the no show. I give VY credit for not be askeered of competition and showing his skills. May not amount to a hill of beans tho.


I spoke to someone today that told me that the interview with VY was really good before the QB part of the competition. What exactly did he say?
 
tsip said:
...most of you VY bashers obviously did not see the entire challenge because all the QB's threw in the scenarios you are bashing Y about--sorry. He finished 2nd(barely) in the accuracy challenge that involved setting up and throwing at moving targets at different distances--Young finished 2nd in the distance throws (by 2 yds), hampered by winds up to 100 mph--and won the agility/running/throwing contest and was the only QB to hit the 2 targets. He won over QBs all ranked in the top 10.

He's working out 12 hrs a day for the combine, where--unlike your SoCal boys--will show case his talents. Before it's over, I get the feeling you Bush lovers are going to look like the Caper :homer: 's of last year, who could say nothing objective that did not involve bashing/name calling, etc....

...Almost forgot--watch the show (it repeats) so you can hear the announcers rave about Young's arm strength and accutacy but I've got faith in you bashers--however, I'm worried your'e going to run out of smoke. Too, whatever happened to backing up your opinion with fact?? Remember, Young was the most efficient QB in the nation last year.
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i only saw the clip but it didnt look like 100 mph hurricane winds. tsip meet talegate's sarcasm,sarcasm tsip
 
"i only saw the clip but it didnt look like 100 mph hurricane winds. tsip meet talegate's sarcasm,sarcasm tsip"

You really ought to watch the show so you can make a more informed statement about the wind, as the announcers made a big deal out of it--not me
 
And if you watched the accuracy competition you would have seen that Drew Olsen had some penalties because he stepped over the line and still won.

Those were not 100 mph winds either. There was some wind, but not gale force strength. The guy from Memphis converted a 50 yard FG at the same endzone.

Vince did pretty much what I expected. He is great on the run, good with short passes, and has no accuracy on the long ball. He missed badly with his first two throws in the long ball competition, and barely made the third. If there was just a line instead of a wall, he wouldn't have made the third because he bounced it off of the wall. And with the scrambling competition, he was going up against a pocket passer (Olsen), a QB who just was recovering from surgery (Whitehurst), and Croyle fumbled and pretty much gave up.

The only guy who really impressed me all day was Chad Jackson. The guy looks like he is going to be the real deal in the NFL. He is big, fast, and has great hands. Sinorice Moss looked pretty good too, I think he is going to be just like his brother. What I really liked about him was how calm he was during the catching competition. He didn't lose his concentration like Vernon Davis or DeAngelo Williams. He looked completely focused and methodical.
 
tulexan said:
And if you watched the accuracy competition you would have seen that Drew Olsen had some penalties because he stepped over the line and still won.

Those were not 100 mph winds either. There was some wind, but not gale force strength. The guy from Memphis converted a 50 yard FG at the same endzone.

Vince did pretty much what I expected. He is great on the run, good with short passes, and has no accuracy on the long ball. He missed badly with his first two throws in the long ball competition, and barely made the third. If there was just a line instead of a wall, he wouldn't have made the third because he bounced it off of the wall. And with the scrambling competition, he was going up against a pocket passer (Olsen), a QB who just was recovering from surgery (Whitehurst), and Croyle fumbled and pretty much gave up.

The only guy who really impressed me all day was Chad Jackson. The guy looks like he is going to be the real deal in the NFL. He is big, fast, and has great hands. Sinorice Moss looked pretty good too, I think he is going to be just like his brother. What I really liked about him was how calm he was during the catching competition. He didn't lose his concentration like Vernon Davis or DeAngelo Williams. He looked completely focused and methodical.
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I agree with most of what you said here. Again, we're not out here trying to just "bash Vince" but a few comments were made about how great Vince was at this thing and such, so a few of us that don't agree are voicing our opinions as well, and personally I was not really impressed with him and my opinion of him, and everyone else involved in this whole thing, did not really change from anything I saw there. As Tulexan mentioned, Vince did win the scrambling drill and looked pretty good at it, but as he also pointed out Olson is a pure pocket passer, Whitehurst is coming off of shoulder problems, and Croyle didn't show up in that drill, so it's not like he beat out any kind of fierce competition, and he didn't look that good in the accuracy drill (no one really did other than Olson was pretty good and got penalized for barely stepping on the line, otherwise he would have run away with it), and wind or no wind he had some big problems in the accuracy drill, moreso than the other guys, and again Leinart, Cutler, Omar Jacobs and those guys weren't there competing either.
 
MorKnolle said:
I agree with most of what you said here. Again, we're not out here trying to just "bash Vince" but a few comments were made about how great Vince was at this thing and such, so a few of us that don't agree are voicing our opinions as well, and personally I was not really impressed with him and my opinion of him, and everyone else involved in this whole thing, did not really change from anything I saw there. As Tulexan mentioned, Vince did win the scrambling drill and looked pretty good at it, but as he also pointed out Olson is a pure pocket passer, Whitehurst is coming off of shoulder problems, and Croyle didn't show up in that drill, so it's not like he beat out any kind of fierce competition, and he didn't look that good in the accuracy drill (no one really did other than Olson was pretty good and got penalized for barely stepping on the line, otherwise he would have run away with it), and wind or no wind he had some big problems in the accuracy drill, moreso than the other guys, and again Leinart, Cutler, Omar Jacobs and those guys weren't there competing either.
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...and Bush was where?
 
Texans_Chick said:
I kinda like junk sports TV. Battle of the Network Stars was a favo. Imaginary bonus points for the first poster to name the unlikely guy that beat Robert Conrad in a footrace.:superman:
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You don't look old enough to remember 'Battle of the Network Stars' I'm 35 and I barely remember it...I actually remember that VOICE more than I do the show.
 
tsip said:
...and Bush was where?
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Probably at home on his couch watching it on TV. He had nothing to prove by showing up for this event, as none of the drills they were running would have either showcased his talents or tried to put to rest worries about his perceived weaknesses. I don't know why most of these guys showed up other than to have some friendly fun and have a shot at winning a nice 46-inch plasma TV as prizes, as this was not meant as a serious scouting session, otherwise they would have brought in a lot more guys. Vince I guess at least got to participate in passing drills to hopefully dispell some concerns about his passing, but to me and I think most other people in the nation he didn't sway our opinions one way or the other, neither did anyone that was there.
 
MorKnolle said:
Probably at home on his couch watching it on TV. He had nothing to prove by showing up for this event, as none of the drills they were running would have either showcased his talents or tried to put to rest worries about his perceived weaknesses. I don't know why most of these guys showed up other than to have some friendly fun and have a shot at winning a nice 46-inch plasma TV as prizes, as this was not meant as a serious scouting session, otherwise they would have brought in a lot more guys. Vince I guess at least got to participate in passing drills to hopefully dispell some concerns about his passing, but to me and I think most other people in the nation he didn't sway our opinions one way or the other, neither did anyone that was there.
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Do you consider the combine important? Will Bush participate in that? I'm not sure where you're getting your 'public opinion' about Young but it does make for 'interesting' reading. But, you know what, our opinions are great but it's going to be so much better when the players take their talents to the field!! Here's hoping that results is the 'name' of that scenario and not excuses.
 
tsip said:
Do you consider the combine important? Will Bush participate in that? I'm not sure where you're getting your 'public opinion' about Young but it does make for 'interesting' reading. But, you know what, our opinions are great but it's going to be so much better when the players take their talents to the field!! Here's hoping that results is the 'name' of that scenario and not excuses.
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Yes, the combine is much more important. It gathers the 300+ top college football players and puts them thru a series of drills that are relevant to NFL game situations and are measured by NFL scouts and coaches. It doens't just put four guys per competition on national TV to run thru an obstacle course or just try to throw the ball as far as they can, it does a much better job of testing the actual football talent of the players involved. I doubt Bush will participate very much at the combine, I'm sure he'll be there, get weighed in and all that and do whatever testing the NFL and the teams require of him, but I wouldn't expect him to do many of the drills there as he has very little to prove there that needs to be proven. I also doubt Leinart and Vince do much (Vince said he would do passing drills since he has something to prove there) and a couple others like Mario Williams may also opt out of running most of the drills. These guys all have pro days to go to at their schools in addtion to the combine, and many of them that don't have much left to prove would prefer to do these drills in more familiar settings at their home school and stadium rather than being put on show in front of all 32 teams and 300+ fellow players at the combine. I wish they would all do all of the drills at the combine and that they'd publish the list of heights, weights, measurements, 40 times, and all the other drills they do somewhere so everyone can see them so we don't have to go off of the inaccurate and varying draft scouting websites.
 
"since he has something to prove there"

I'm not sure what your basis is for bashing Young's passing because the facts don't support your bias--


Leinhart 283/431 3815 28tds/8ints 13.48 ypc/8.85 ypa 65.66%

Young 212/325 3036 26tds/10ints 14.32 ypc/9.34 ypa 65.23%

Leinhart's Pass Efficiency was 157.7, Young's was 166.7. Leinhart had more yds but he also had over 100 more attempts. Young, however, had more total yds (4086 to 3851) and more td's when you factor in rushing td's.

And, when you consider Vince was a JR, imagine what his specs would have been next year!,,,so, enlighten me, please back up your constant bashing of Young's passing!:confused:
 
tsip said:
"since he has something to prove there"

I'm not sure what your basis is for bashing Young's passing because the facts don't support your bias--


Leinhart 283/431 3815 28tds/8ints 13.48 ypc/8.85 ypa 65.66%

Young 212/325 3036 26tds/10ints 14.32 ypc/9.34 ypa 65.23%

Leinhart's Pass Efficiency was 157.7, Young's was 166.7. Leinhart had more yds but he also had over 100 more attempts. Young, however, had more total yds (4086 to 3851) and more td's when you factor in rushing td's.

And, when you consider Vince was a JR, imagine what his specs would have been next year!,,,so, enlighten me, please back up your constant bashing of Young's passing!:confused:
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Don't you get it Tsip? It doesn't matter what VY does, some people already have a pre-determined opinion of him that can not/will not be changed.

Even if he shows at the combine that he can pass w/ the best of them, they'll still see him as a running QB and likely come up w/ another excuse of why he can't be successful. While he is a running QB in the sense that he runs extremely well, it doesn't mean that he can't pass.....it's just that some people are jaded by Vick and can't wrap their minds around the idea that VY is not only athletic, but a great QB in every sense of the word.:stirpot:
 
Maddict5 said:
i only saw the clip but it didnt look like 100 mph hurricane winds.
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Actually there was a rare weather phenomenon known to meteorologists and sailors as a 'dry hurricane' -- the winds were clocked at a steady 112 mph with gusts up to 138 mph. It was estimated by experts at the event that Vince could have easily thrown the ball 142 yards if not for the debilitating storm. The other Qbs were lucky as they threw before the storm started, during the calm eye, and after the storm had passed.

The storm was rated a 3.4 (out of 5) on the Fujoihota BS scale.
 
DRAMA said:
You don't look old enough to remember 'Battle of the Network Stars' I'm 35 and I barely remember it...I actually remember that VOICE more than I do the show.
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I have a good explanation for that. You see, as the Texans Chick, I am timeless and ageless. After a long gestational period, I was reborn on September 6th, 2000. Texans Chick will never age, and will never die. I hope to inspire generations of more and more Texans Chicks--womens that love the Texans football and show their Texans pride with style.

It is sort of like a Dread Pirate Roberts thing. Only dealing with multiples. That some day there will be so many Texans Chicks at the stadium and throughout the country that you will never know who the original one was.

:redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:


It's a theory at least. :texflag:
 
tsip said:
"since he has something to prove there"

I'm not sure what your basis is for bashing Young's passing because the facts don't support your bias--


Leinhart 283/431 3815 28tds/8ints 13.48 ypc/8.85 ypa 65.66%

Young 212/325 3036 26tds/10ints 14.32 ypc/9.34 ypa 65.23%

Leinhart's Pass Efficiency was 157.7, Young's was 166.7. Leinhart had more yds but he also had over 100 more attempts. Young, however, had more total yds (4086 to 3851) and more td's when you factor in rushing td's.

And, when you consider Vince was a JR, imagine what his specs would have been next year!,,,so, enlighten me, please back up your constant bashing of Young's passing!:confused:
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Leinart is better in everything except yards per attempt, which for college configures much more heavily in the QB rating than it does in the NFL (Leinart has higher completion percentage, and better TD/INT ratio). Vince had good stats in college, but as you've seen there have been many people with far superior passing stats that haven't amounted to anything in the NFL, so as it has been said repeatedly on here by both Vince supporters and people not wanting Vince, college stats don't amount to much of anything (all of Hawaii's QBs, Texas Tech QBs, NC State's QBs of recent years, etc. that have put up far superior passing stats and not done much of anything, plus all the MAC and Pac-10 QBs that have put up amazing stats and not accomplished a whole lot in the NFL vs. the guys with lesser stats that became good players).

Let me tell you what the pro scouts I know have said about Vince since you want to know what my knocks against him are: Vince has a funky throwing motion, he did not play in a pro-style offense at all (most college QBs don't, but Leinart for this comparison did), he passed out of a shotgun 90% of the time which doesn't happen in the NFL, he does not have an especially strong arm, he doesn't have overly good accuracy, the mechanics of his throwing motion are not very good (not just his arm motion itself, but his feet and other things), he frequently does not make great decisions or read defenses especially well. It is estimated that Vince will be a 2-year project before he is ready to play and you can even evaluate how good of a QB you expect him to be. Those are the opinions/evaluations of the few pro scouts that I know, and I can agree with most of them.

Certainly Vince is pretty mobile for a QB, but it's not like he's going to be dominating the NFL with his running, people says he has good leadership skills, but those don't necessarily translate to the NFL and I don't see him coming to a team and instantly improving everyone's play and inspiring the team into making the playoffs or anything like that, rookies rarely ever have that kind of effect, and they won't have that kind of effect from the bench. In the NFL, respect and inspiration is earned on the professional field.

I'm not saying I don't think Vince will be good or that I hope he fails or anything like that, I think he will end up being a good QB some day, but I personally don't see him being anything that David Carr can't be and I don't want to wait around a couple more years while Vince is turned into a pro QB. I don't see him adding much of anything to this particular team and I don't want to use the #1 pick on him when we have so many other things that need to be improved on the team, whether we trade down to address more of those needs or draft Bush who will at least add another unique piece to the offense on top of what we already have. That is my opinion on the matter.
 
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