swtbound07
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if tony siragusa can do color commentary on the sidelines then why not tony boselli a coach? stranger things then that have happened with fat men named tony...
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Coaching Change ?
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Diehardtexan
Waterboy
JJ as head coach...Goerge Seifert as Offensive coordinator and bring in new blood from college for the D or even keep Caper for that mater and get rid of Fangio.
V Man said:
Capers is a micro-manager who is also a control freak. Butch Davis was the
same way in Cleveland before he resigned but Capers carries it further
with is note taking (afraid he'll miss something). How much input do you
think Capers gives his OC/DC? I'll bet he runs/controls this offense more
than Palmer. If Palmer calls the plays, I'll bet it's from a short list from
Capers. I'm not saying Palmer is the answer but letting Capers stay will
only be more of what we've seen already. He is the problem.
There were a couple of good points on 610 today that echo what several
posters have mentioned. First, Buffalo's Head Coach(2nd yr) put his new QB
starter in a position to succeed--Capers does not do that. Second, Buff
determined they needed to revamp their OL and started by signing a LT.
...several other teams signed new LT's, as well. No one in the NFL has a
worse 'result oriented' OL than the Texans and we all saw the same
yesterday. Gel? That's a big part of the Texans problem. First, it was the
expansion label--now, it's 'gel.' While the Texans need time for their OL to
'gel' other teams--like the Bills with their second yr rookie coach-make it
happen...it's all about what you'll accept.
No, IMO, if we're going to keep Capers then no other changes will help--
in fact, for Capers, it's just an excuse for 'gelling' to the new change.
HoustonFan
Veteran
Diehardtexan said:
that could work. JJ and Seifert. Capers as defensive coordinator... well , defense to me hasn't been all that bad. Afterall if you're out on the field most of the game you're bound to mess up.Brian Billick of Baltimore may be looking for a job if the Ravens dont make the playoffs this season (a distinct possibility)
Mike Holmgren of Seattle may be looking for a job as well.
I doubt either of them would take an OC or DC job.. but its still something to consider.
(should I have posted this in the NFL forum?)
Mike Holmgren of Seattle may be looking for a job as well.
I doubt either of them would take an OC or DC job.. but its still something to consider.
(should I have posted this in the NFL forum?)
GP
Go Texans!
He knows how to properly and effectively coach a stud QB, a stud RB, and a stud WR.
It was Aikman, Smith, and Irvin.
And now it IS Carr, Davis, and Johnson.
He's got the background of knowing how to make those three maximize their talents.
He's got the rings to show he can get it done.
And I think he'd like nothing more than to play in Texas and renew the rivalry with Jerry Jones.
He didn't go far in Miami for a very simple reason: He lacked a good QB (Marino was in the golden twilight of his career) and he lacked a good WR. Maybve I;m mistaken, but I even think he didn't have a star-quality RB either. He just didn't have the stars that we have. If you were looming to land a head coaching job, wouldn't you salivate at the thought of Carr-Davis-Johnson?
Seriously, JJ would clean house and rebuild this thing around Carr-Davis-Johnson. Aikman got slaughtered his first season behind a weak line. And then a couple years later, the Cowboys just mysteriously were playing big boy ball? Not a coincidence. JJ was in total control, drafted or bought the players he needed to compliment his QB/RB/WR and the rest is history. He did it there, but he probably couldn't do it here unless McNair opens up the wallet and gambles a little bit.
Sorry. I'm trying to post SOMETHING constructive in the wake of all of my griping. Time to move on (for me) but this is the first step. I just can't see this team going on with Capers. This daydream I have is all I know to do to get out of the funk.
I expect the standard "you're nuts" replies. No problem. Just trying to exhibit some constructive thinking.
It was Aikman, Smith, and Irvin.
And now it IS Carr, Davis, and Johnson.
He's got the background of knowing how to make those three maximize their talents.
He's got the rings to show he can get it done.
And I think he'd like nothing more than to play in Texas and renew the rivalry with Jerry Jones.
He didn't go far in Miami for a very simple reason: He lacked a good QB (Marino was in the golden twilight of his career) and he lacked a good WR. Maybve I;m mistaken, but I even think he didn't have a star-quality RB either. He just didn't have the stars that we have. If you were looming to land a head coaching job, wouldn't you salivate at the thought of Carr-Davis-Johnson?
Seriously, JJ would clean house and rebuild this thing around Carr-Davis-Johnson. Aikman got slaughtered his first season behind a weak line. And then a couple years later, the Cowboys just mysteriously were playing big boy ball? Not a coincidence. JJ was in total control, drafted or bought the players he needed to compliment his QB/RB/WR and the rest is history. He did it there, but he probably couldn't do it here unless McNair opens up the wallet and gambles a little bit.
Sorry. I'm trying to post SOMETHING constructive in the wake of all of my griping. Time to move on (for me) but this is the first step. I just can't see this team going on with Capers. This daydream I have is all I know to do to get out of the funk.
I expect the standard "you're nuts" replies. No problem. Just trying to exhibit some constructive thinking.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
You're nuts, but only on JJ.
We do need a leader for this team, because it is not coming from our team. A dominating personality is all that is going to whip these guys in shape. Only G-Funk has the credibility and mouth to make it happen. We may need a type A personality like JJ to coach this team.
We do need a leader for this team, because it is not coming from our team. A dominating personality is all that is going to whip these guys in shape. Only G-Funk has the credibility and mouth to make it happen. We may need a type A personality like JJ to coach this team.
S
souljunkie
Guest
..Looks like most of us are seeing things the same. I grew impatient with Capers last year with as much talent as he had. (and then traded for some stupid reason, ie. Jamie Sharper) This guy has his head in a notebook constantly . Details, stats and play results etc...He get and "f" for motivating and getting into the minds and hearts of his players on game day. Most anal types like him are lacking in people skills. I give him this year to win 9-10 games. if he doesn't its time to shop for a new coach and Offensive coordinator. We dont need some incumbant who got lucky with his first expansion team (Carolina)!! 
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
Sorry,
But I didnt like Capers before he became a Texan's coach and surely I am not the only one not liking him now. But how much is too much? Palmer should have been fired last year. This year I heard from Caper's own mouth on ch. 13 that he backs Palmer's run first game plan.
I knew we were in trouble when they passed on a good WR in the draft when the first round pick was ours and then had to settle for a D Line man who I have yet to see play.
Still predicting a 4/12 season and the firing of some coaches this year....
But I didnt like Capers before he became a Texan's coach and surely I am not the only one not liking him now. But how much is too much? Palmer should have been fired last year. This year I heard from Caper's own mouth on ch. 13 that he backs Palmer's run first game plan.
I knew we were in trouble when they passed on a good WR in the draft when the first round pick was ours and then had to settle for a D Line man who I have yet to see play.
Still predicting a 4/12 season and the firing of some coaches this year....
I'm not going to defend the playcalling or the punting. However, folks need to keep stuff in perspective. This game was no more atrocious than the Cleveland game last year, not after you factor in the relative strengths of opponent.
How many people were upset headed into Week 17 last year after the big J-ville game? Two games is not enough to be talking about ANY personnel changes.
How many people were upset headed into Week 17 last year after the big J-ville game? Two games is not enough to be talking about ANY personnel changes.
they will never be able to do any thing as long as the coaching staff stays the same. if any of the coordinators or head coach would be in any other team, they would of gotten fired by now. i blame them for the reason why the texans play and lose the way that they do. they dont care. they are more worried about players that tomorrow might be good, rather than saying i need GREAT players now. the only reason why houston is a threat in basketball is because they spent money. and it seams like the texans are not willing to do that.
I've read an article yesterday that said the Caper's offense is conservative run, while Palmer's is more of an air-it-out style. The problem, as mentioned in the Chronicle article, is that the coaches are not in agreement with each other.
We do need to keep one game in perspective, though. It's not the end of the world or end of the season...heck, it's not even the beginning of the end. It's one game that our team played really bad.
We do need to keep one game in perspective, though. It's not the end of the world or end of the season...heck, it's not even the beginning of the end. It's one game that our team played really bad.
Double Barrel said:
I have heard this before. Chris basically said his hands are tied.
A thought that I had (probably not any better than what we have now) is to let Capers go and let Chris Palmer be the intermediate Head Coach. He has been a head Coach before (not great) and the change in the play book might be what we need.
But keep in mind that NO MATTER who the coach is, or who the QB is, or who the RB is, the four year old line problems need to be fixed or no one will be able to do anything. The Bills fixed their line why can't we?
What do yall think?
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
Williams wasn't gone when our time came up. Capers decided to roll the dice thinking no one was going to take him and traded down with New Orleans. But to his surprise, Detroit snatched him up so fast Capers head is still spinning. Stupid move....TEXANS84 said:
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Is it impossible to get Charlie Weiss from Notre Dame next year . If your going to draft a QB ( 1st pick) 1st round and a WR (3rd pick ) 1st round you don't have an anal control coach who wants 4.0 yds a carry and a good kicking game .
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If your going to draft a QB ( 1st pick) 1st round and a WR (3rd pick ) 1st round you don't have an anal control coach who wants 4.0 yds a carry and a good kicking game .
I Highly doubt he (Weiss) would leave Notre Dame for the Texans head coaching position ..... I know I wouldnt .
On your second point I agree completely , the Texans personel does not fit their coaches "Blueprint" .... As I stated before the Texans skill position players operate better in space rather than between the tackles .....
The idea of cutting Capers loose and handing the reigns over to Palmer on an interm basis may actually have some merit .... Their styles are so contradictory that the two of them just CAN NOT co-exist ... The skill position players fit better within Palmers style than Capers so it would make more sense to fire Capers than Plamer ..... Stranger things have happened .
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I would rather watch the crocidiles eat the zebras on the National Geographic Channel than watch the Texans on third and long . The crocs are less violent .If we had a killer defense I would understand the Texans reasonings but we don't . We need about 20 points a game to go 10-6 .
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
We had the pick "before" Detroit and traded it off to New Orleans. We COULD have gotten him instead of a def player....ojthecat said:
OzzO
.. and then?
Double Barrel said:
Interestingly, mentioned on 610 on the way home is that Palmer calls the plays and yes, Capers has the final say to nix the play if wanted but it was mentioned he very rarely does so. (noted during the 5:00 hour or so). Also noted that teams in the past have done well offensively under Palmer as OC.
Personally, it's confusing to know what to think will be the "magical bullet" to cure the ills... I don't think it's just going to be one shot that does it.
Texans Horror
All Pro
There are too many things that have to go right. I still believe that their weakest link is in the TE position and not the OL, but time will tell. We still have a lot of football left to play...
ojthecat
Waterboy
HomeBred_Texan said:
Here are the first 16 picks in the first round of the 2005 draft.
Notice that our first pick went to New Orleans at number 13 and Detroit was number 10.
1 1 San Francisco Smith, Alex D. QB 6-4 212 Utah
2 2 Miami Brown, Ronnie RB 6-0 233 Auburn
3 3 Cleveland Edwards, Braylon WR 6-3 211 Michigan
4 4 Chicago Benson, Cedric RB 5-10 222 Texas
5 5 Tampa Bay Williams, Carnell RB 5-11 217 Auburn
6 6 Tennessee Jones, Adam 'Pacman' CB 5-11 187 West Virginia
7 7 Minnesota (from Oakland) Williamson, Troy WR 6-1 203 South Carolina
8 8 Arizona Rolle, Antrel CB 6-0 202 Miami (Fla.)
9 9 Washington Rogers, Carlos CB 6-0 199 Auburn
10 10 Detroit Williams, Mike WR 6-5 229 Southern California
11 11 Dallas Ware, Demarcus DE 6-4 247 Troy State
12 12 San Diego (from N.Y. Giants) Merriman, Shawne OLB 6-4 253 Maryland
13 13 New Orleans (from Houston) Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 Oklahoma
14 14 Carolina Davis, Thomas FS 6-1 231 Georgia
15 15 Kansas City Johnson, Derrick O. OLB 6-3 234 Texas
16 16 Houston (from New Orleans) Johnson, Travis DT 6-4 290 Florida State
beerlover said:its not pretty who ever is in charge, Capers is conservative maybe too conservative and this influences Palmer's play calling (which is not in his nature) & discussed in detail all week during game planning sessions
This fundamental difference between the two coaches is where the downfall lies IMO ....
Ive said it before and Ill say it again ....
The Texans skill players DO NOT fit into Capers' mold of a POWER running game .... They are better IN SPACE .
While DD is a pretty good back , He isnt Jerome Bettis or Stephen Davis , both good between the tackles and can move the pile . Not to mention that teams always put 8 in the box to stop the running game ... 5 blockers just cant block 8 defenders .
Carr is more suited to a down the field passing game than this dink and dunk 3 step drop brianstorm that Capers and Co. came up with to save a few $$$ as is AJ ..... You dont drop $600k on a Lamborghini and use it in the crash up derby !
Fact is .... If the Texans cant run the ball in the current system they cant pass it either because its 3rd and 7 and the pass rush doesnt have to respect the run . They can line up and Tee Off .....Which is going to make this poor O-line look even worse .
The players dont fit the system ..... so either the players or the coach Have to go ..... and its MUCH easier to fire a coach than replace players at any position other than maybe Water boy ....
HJam72 said:
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
My apologies...Exascor said:
I was wrong..
Can the coaches say that?????
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
OK here is my coaching change missed opportunity rant. The Texans had the opportunity to address one of their two self-identified greatest needs with an undisputable top 5 guy at his position for a couple million non-salary cap dollars--Hudson Houck. No offense to Pendry, but his resume for OL isn't anywhere close to Houck's. If Pendry is really here to tweak the O then either make him coordinator or QB coach or something but get the expert at your biggest problem. Miami gave up 52 sacks last year--yup, more than the Texans. It is only one week, but we gave up 5 sacks (yes I know only one on the OL) and Miami gave up zero--and guess what, all the players for this game were on the team last year. I am not fond of all the hindsight on draft picks, whining about Portis, etc. but sheesh IMO this one was pretty obvious, frankly moreso than signing Pace. This is at the top of the list I have for mistakes by the Texans.
CyberTexan
Waterboy
I was just wondering , if the Texans do as bad as they did last week when we play the Steelers , do we start considering a coaching change ? ( I know I personally would ) I mean you cant waste a whole season waiting for it to end to Change a Coaching staff , thats just a waste besides I think a coaching change would at least be a step in the right direction just a change period would lift spirits . I was trying to remember how many times it has been done in the past during the season . And after the Steeler game would be perfect considering we have a Bye coming up . Would love to see Jimmy Johnson coach us ( wishfull thinking ) but saw him and the Owner hanging out together during the Katrina Astro Dome thing , think maybe they talked about it at all ? Of course this is all considering we look bad again . coaching change couldnt make us look any worse than last week .
Of course this is all considering we look bad again . coaching change couldnt make us look any worse than last week .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Coaching change in Football is very rare. I am not a proponent of it as I would like to see who his available after the season.
However, just like in business the clipboard can be handed over to another. Titles do not necssarily change, but covert words say it all as the new person is going to assume more accountbility, responsbility within the organization.
It is then that we enter the Dotted Line Era.
However, just like in business the clipboard can be handed over to another. Titles do not necssarily change, but covert words say it all as the new person is going to assume more accountbility, responsbility within the organization.
It is then that we enter the Dotted Line Era.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
If I were Capers, I would hope he understands a picture is worth 10,000 words. I could think of a number of other people I would like to see in the spot, but most are not available until the end of the season. You kind of wonder if they would go with an interim coach. My problem with that is I don't think any of this coaching staff thinks differently than Capers. Therefore, an interim coach wouldn't be any different that what we have now.
CyberTexan
Waterboy
Am I just Dreaming BIG or does anyone else think Jimmy Johnson and Mcnair being at the Astro Dome together was just coincidental ? re they friends in real life or is there any hope of getting him to ever coach again ?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I am of the opinion that with this team, at this time, a head coaching change might make a difference depending on several factors. First is the million dollar question of who's taking over.
Is it Palmer who takes over on an interim basis? Does that mean our offense is suddenly going to undergo a personality transplant? I've seen our offense and believe me when I say that I'd trade it's current "personality" for just about anything else out there at this time. I believe that a Capers departure (There is no Fire Capers Club....) combined with a Palmer promotion would mean an improved offense. Pressure to conform to a specific type of conservative style would be lifted and at the same time I think Palmer would very much want the chance to resume his head coaching career. I think we'd see some fireworks. Assuming the defensive coaches stay put and continue to focus on improving our defense I think we could be seeing results pretty fast.
If it's Fangio who gets the interim job then we're looking at the second coming of Capers unless he's told to give Palmer the go ahead on offensive matters.
The good thing about an interim coach is that he can be the answer or he can be sent packing with little fanfare once the season is over. I personally hope that Bob is willing to make a move if one is warranted regardless of how many games are left in 2005.
Is it Palmer who takes over on an interim basis? Does that mean our offense is suddenly going to undergo a personality transplant? I've seen our offense and believe me when I say that I'd trade it's current "personality" for just about anything else out there at this time. I believe that a Capers departure (There is no Fire Capers Club....) combined with a Palmer promotion would mean an improved offense. Pressure to conform to a specific type of conservative style would be lifted and at the same time I think Palmer would very much want the chance to resume his head coaching career. I think we'd see some fireworks. Assuming the defensive coaches stay put and continue to focus on improving our defense I think we could be seeing results pretty fast.
If it's Fangio who gets the interim job then we're looking at the second coming of Capers unless he's told to give Palmer the go ahead on offensive matters.
The good thing about an interim coach is that he can be the answer or he can be sent packing with little fanfare once the season is over. I personally hope that Bob is willing to make a move if one is warranted regardless of how many games are left in 2005.
CyberTexan
Waterboy
If it was Palmer who took over , I think the Fams would be very dissapointed I know I would , when I say coaching change i meant for Capers to take Palmer with him .
Porky
Hall of Fame
Start considering a coaching change? Heck, I started considering it last year and throughout the offseason. After that putrid effort, and Capers lame comments afterward, I am WAY beyond considering it. Frankly, there is nothing short of winning the Super Bowl that will make me change my mind at this point. I am slow to burn, but once I hit the quick, I light up like the fourth of July....meaning that I have a ton of patience, but once my patience is consumed, I get extremely angry, and that's that. Once my mind is made up like this, there is no looking back. It was time for a change as of Sunday afternoon. Everything else is just biding time now.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Hervoyel said:
Well said. Its the Caper's stigma that you have to get rid of and that really is the real question as you say. You might, or might not, get that depending on who the interim is. Its too bad the decision wasn't made last year. I know I was a lone wolf out there, but this just put us back another year. The signs were there last year, but nobody was willing to accept reality. It really is a shame to see some of the talented players we have continue to suffer through this kind of nonsense, not to mention the fans.
If the fans get up and leave like they did at the end of the Cleveland game last year, I would say Mr. Capers is on his way out. While I would like us to win this game or at least look respectible, I almost think it would not be in the best long term interest of this ball club. That is a sad thing to have to say.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
I noticed the poll on this web site shows the 96.5% of the people responding feel Capers has to go at some point. I find that interesting given all of the people who have been making excuses for Capers. Only 3.5 % basically are for no change. That is awfully one sided.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
infantrycak said:
Very well said, but again the problem is Caper's surrounds himself with his cronies and he's not about to go after anyone who is a threat to show him up. I think it is also a function of the Capers run at all cost mentality and a fixation with the Zone blocking scheme which he bought into hook line and sinker two years ago. I think Houck would want to install a different scheme, and if it worked, that would have made Caper's look bad. While I would love to have seen the change you are talking about, it would not have worked without getting rid of Capers. Believe me I respect what you are saying about this man's ability to coach an O-line.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
CyberTexan said:
I think that's very short sighted of you. Stop to consider that in all likelyhood an interim coach isn't going ot accomplish much of anything anyway. In the NFL it's not often that a guy asked to lead the team for the remainder of the season has to worry about what he's going to do in the playoffs. Palmer would probably be our head coach for no more than the remaining games and keeping him would allow the offense to operate without too much upheaval.
Most important you would never know if the real problem was Palmer or Capers. I want the answer to that question very badly right now. If Capers got fire (There is no Fire Capers Club....) then I'd be downright dissappointed if Palmer wasn't given the job on an interim basis.
I want to see what happens.