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Clowney, then what?

IDEXAN said:
I think we are left to speculate what the Texans'/Wade's intentions were for JJ when they drafted him since in 2011 when he was drafted it was also the DCs first year in Houston. I'm thinking that it wasn't until JJ got to TC that Wade started to really recognize the talent they had. Or on the other hand, maybe Wade spotted JJ's pass-rushing skills even before the 2011 Draft in scouting and film-study, who's to know but Wade himself ?
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Do we have conclusive proof of this whole Wade's pick theory.

Wasn't Patterson the preferred option? Was that Wade's pick too?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Do we have conclusive proof of this whole Wade's pick theory.

Wasn't Patterson the preferred option? Was that Wade's pick too?
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Who knows. A lot of people have said that Watt was Wade's pick and he was given a ton of rope because of it, but ever since it came out that they were targeting Peterson and someone else (Aldon Smith IIRC), I have had my doubts that Watt was a "Wade pick". I think he was just #3 on the board and they got lucky.
 
WolverineFan said:
Who knows. A lot of people have said that Watt was Wade's pick and he was given a ton of rope because of it, but ever since it came out that they were targeting Peterson and someone else (Aldon Smith IIRC), I have had my doubts that Watt was a "Wade pick". I think he was just #3 on the board and they got lucky.
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And if the story is true that Smith was cool with trading for PP but not Aldon it belies the Smith was a figurehead storyline as well.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think we are left to speculate what the Texans'/Wade's intentions were for JJ when they drafted him since in 2011 when he was drafted it was also the DCs first year in Houston. I'm thinking that it wasn't until JJ got to TC that Wade started to really recognize the talent they had. Or on the other hand, maybe Wade spotted JJ's pass-rushing skills even before the 2011 Draft in scouting and film-study, who's to know but Wade himself ?
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Who knows.

I was head over heels in love with Watt. I obviously didn't predict he would become what he is now, but I saw an All Pro player.

He is a strong pass rusher but he is an unbelievable player against the run. In the run heavy Big Ten, his run stopping ability was much more important so he wasn't featured as a pass rusher hardly at all. But when he was you could see him just abusing OTs.

He would have been great as a 3 tech in a 43, but he is the best 5 tech I've ever scouted, and that draft was loaded with some good ones.
 
bah007 said:
Who knows.

I was head over heels in love with Watt. I obviously didn't predict he would become what he is now, but I saw an All Pro player.

He is a strong pass rusher but he is an unbelievable player against the run. In the run heavy Big Ten, his run stopping ability was much more important so he wasn't featured as a pass rusher hardly at all. But when he was you could see him just abusing OTs.

He would have been great as a 3 tech in a 43, but he is the best 5 tech I've ever scouted, and that draft was loaded with some good ones.
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As a Michigan fan, I remember in 2010 there were 2 defenders that you did not want to face.....Ryan Kerrigan and J.J. Watt. Kerrigan was a fantastic pass rusher and was always getting to the QB. Watt was just unblockable at the LOS.
 
WolverineFan said:
Who knows. A lot of people have said that Watt was Wade's pick and he was given a ton of rope because of it, but ever since it came out that they were targeting Peterson and someone else (Aldon Smith IIRC), I have had my doubts that Watt was a "Wade pick". I think he was just #3 on the board and they got lucky.
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There you go, Aldon Smith was the guy most talked about as the Texans first round pick back in 2011 leading up to the Draft, and of course he turned out to be a tremendous NFL player though clearly with off-field issues. In retrospect I wonder if talking him up pre-draft was a smoke screen ?
Anyway I remember being stunned when the 49ers grabbed Smith at about #6 or #7 in the first round and being disappointed and then being disappointed again later when we took JJ. Little did I know at the time, huh ?
 
@BaxFootballGuru: #NFL 2013: Most sacks: #Panthers (60), #Bills (57), #Rams (53), #Saints (49), #Patriots (48), #Cardinals & #Chiefs (47)

Just wanted to throw that out there because none of those teams drafted 2 high 1st rd d-linemen and they got to the qb. In fact, the highest drafted guy behind mario was cam jordan or tamba who were both late 1st rd picks.
 
leebigeztx said:
@BaxFootballGuru: #NFL 2013: Most sacks: #Panthers (60), #Bills (57), #Rams (53), #Saints (49), #Patriots (48), #Cardinals & #Chiefs (47)

Just wanted to throw that out there because none of those teams drafted 2 high 1st rd d-linemen and they got to the qb. In fact, the highest drafted guy behind mario was cam jordan or tamba who were both late 1st rd picks.
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What is considered "high"? Star Latoulelie was 14th overall, Dontari Poe was 11th, Chris Long was 2nd, Robert Quinn 14th, Brockers 14th, Tyson Jackson 3rd... etc

And of course, there are a lot of 1st round linebackers on those teams, who aren't "d-linemen".
 
Dutchrudder said:
What is considered "high"? Star Latoulelie was 14th overall, Dontari Poe was 11th, Chris Long was 2nd, Robert Quinn 14th, Brockers 14th, Tyson Jackson 3rd... etc

And of course, there are a lot of 1st round linebackers on those teams, who aren't "d-linemen".
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:swatter:

Thanks for saving me the time.
 
Yes of course having a great QB, the face of the franchise, a single entity that the team is recognized by and a player that literally Carries the team on his back to victory is what every fan dreams of. And yes QB is the most important position On the team.

That doesn't mean you have to have a "franchise" QB to win. Unless your definition of "franchise" includes names like Flaco, Wilson or Kapernick and many more that I have highlighted in the list below.

A great defense, solid running game and a QB who doesn't make mistakes at critical times in the game is just as good recipe. Of course having a franchise QB is the most attractive way of doing it. The problem is they only come around every so often. They are rare. Some teams spend decades looking for one. Some have gotten lucky but most just suffer through years and years of mediocrity by reaching for QBs higher than they should out of desperation to have that figure head.

Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson, 2TDs

() denotes who the MVP of that game was, if it says MVP, the Super Bowl winning quarterback won the honor. After the MVP is the total touchdown passes each winning quarterback threw in the game. This does not include any rushing touchdowns a player may have had. Steve Young has the record with six touchdown passes in Super Bowl 29.


I don't know where the all highlighted guys were drafted but I know none of them were elite. Most had really good defenses and really good running games to lean on.
 
Yeah I easily consider guys like Wilson, Kaepernick and Flacco franchise QBs. A franchise QB is not exclusively an elite HOFer QB. A franchise QB is someone who you can win with and build a team around...all 3 of the above guys have proven to more than qualify for this.
 
A franchise QB is a player that you can build your team (franchise) around and is the future of your...franchise.

They don't have to be elite, they don't have the be the best player on your team, they don't have to be SB MVP caliber players. They have to be good enough for you to win with in the NFL.

Current Franchise QBs in my opinion, starting with the painfully obvious but no particular order
-Peyton Manning
-Tom Brady
-Aaron Rodgers
-Drew Brees
-Joe Flacco
-Matt Ryan
-Cam Newton
-Russell Wilson
-Colin Kaepernick
-Matthew Stafford
-Eli Manning
-Andrew Luck
-Phillip Rivers
-Big Ben
-Tony Romo
-Alex Smith

Guys like Tannehill and Foles I think it is too early to tell, a guy like Robert Griffin the jury is still out at this point too..a guy like Andy Dalton doesn't quite measure up to what I think a franchise QB is, but is still a serviceable starter.

Of the above list I realize some of the names are debatable depending on your opinion, and since there is no exact definition of what a franchise QB it is hard to argue one way or another for some of these guys.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Is a franchise QB one whom, when they are on the roster, the discussion is never held about the need to upgrade from them?
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As much as I think he is overrated, if you aren't including a guy who played for 1 team for 14 years, led the league in passing TDs twice and was the QB for 4 SB victories, I don't think I am out on a limb saying the standard is off.

I think Flacco and Wilson have to be either not graded as too early in their careers or included because they (a) have been successful and (b) are clearly the QBs their teams are committed to backing.

Eli, right or wrong, is clearly their franchise QB. He's got 10 years with the team so far and despite a truly miserable year that made Schaub's look good in comparison there is no talk of replacing him AND they have won 2 SBs with him.

A better way to compile this list is probably look down the winners list and highlight the QBs who won a SB and their team still wanted to get rid of them. Heck Baltimore didn't want Dilfer at the start or the end of that season.
 
matts290 said:
Yeah I easily consider guys like Wilson, Kaepernick and Flacco franchise QBs. A franchise QB is not exclusively an elite HOFer QB. A franchise QB is someone who you can win with and build a team around...all 3 of the above guys have proven to more than qualify for this.
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I think a lot of people around here consider franchise QB = elite QB.
 
my definition of a franchise QB is someone a team drafted & developed. Elite QB's are more all encompassing. Carr was the Texans franchise QB he just didn't develop & never considered elite. Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Matthew Stafford, Eli Manning, Andrew Luck, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Robert Griffen are all franchise QB's. Peyton Manning & Drew Brees are elite guns for hire (case could be made for Brees being franchise because of longevity & his development since joining Saints, but Peyton is unique).

if Texans select Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater they will be a franchise QB, just hope like hell which ever they choose develop as expected into what this franchise has been missing. :vincepalm:
 
To be honest I'd rather get the best QB either with pick 1.1 or trading down and draft Dee Ford with our 2nd round Pick. He isn't the physical phenomenon that Clowney is, but the dude flat out can rush the passer. I just have a hard time believing he'll be there when we pick after his Senior Bowl performance. If he's still hanging around at pick 25 though I'd seriously think about moving up.
 
Texn4life said:
To be honest I'd rather get the best QB either with pick 1.1
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I think there's too much Hoopla & politicking going on & the best QB can easily be had for less than the 1.1 pick.

Or maybe injury. Aaron Murray should at least be in the conversation, but he's not.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think there's too much Hoopla & politicking going on & the best QB can easily be had for less than the 1.1 pick.

Or maybe injury. Aaron Murray should at least be in the conversation, but he's not.
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I like him a lot. Even of we draft a QB 1.1 I think we should draft either Murray or McCarren or if either fall past the third round. Or smith if he falls to the fith.
 
OK guys, here's our Draft strategy: with our #1 overall we take arguably the most talented DE in a generation to form a truly formidable front 7 for our defense, then we sit tight and monitor with a fixed gaze what happens in the latter part of the 1st round because our 2nd & 3rd round pick gives us the firepower to move up to about the 20th pick and even our 2nd and 4th round pick allows to trade for the 25th or 26th 1st round pick. Or we sit tight at 33 if there's not a good value in the 20s @ QB.
 
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IDEXAN said:
OK guys, here's our Draft strategy: with our #1 overall we take arguably the most talented DE in a generation to form a truly formidable front 7 for our defense, then we sit tight and monitor with a fixed gaze what happens in the latter part of the 1st round because our 2nd & 3rd round pick gives us the firepower to move up to about the 20th pick and even our 2nd and 4th round pick allows to trade for the 25th or 26th 1st round pick. Or we sit tight at 33 if there's not a good value in the 20s.
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In a couple more weeks we should all have a better feel for this thing. Based off tape alone, Texans should try to parlay power of Clowney in some form of trade down. His tape is not conclusive, even if his workouts exceed expectation. Also I wonder if somehow this happens that Manziel/Bridewater cancel each other out? meaning both don't exactly fit what O'Brian prototype is for position. Depending how far down Texans trade down both may already have been selected? So lets brace ourselves, are we ready to find out our new franchise QB is none other than Blake Bortles?

Bortles could go low as #1 or high as #8 fairly tight window, so as not to really worry about BPA when he is a solid top 10 even with his rough edges.
 
on 610, just a minute ago, Nick said every Houston Texans "insider" knows the Texans have decided to take a QB with the #1 overall pick. They don't know which one, the Texans haven't decided on which one, but they're taking a QB.

I don't know how much of an insider Nick is, or how much access he has to insiders, but that's what he said.
 
thunderkyss said:
on 610, just a minute ago, Nick said every Houston Texans "insider" knows the Texans have decided to take a QB with the #1 overall pick. They don't know which one, the Texans haven't decided on which one, but they're taking a QB.

I don't know how much of an insider Nick is, or how much access he has to insiders, but that's what he said.
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Absent a trade for Mallett that has always been the 90+% likelihood.
 
How is Brett Smith gaining all of this hype? What a joke.

I’ve been in these forums for a while now and every year there is some phantom awesome QB that no one has ever heard of that is gonna revolutionize the game.

Everyone claims to have watched countless hours of film on them and knew who they were since Junior High because of course they have followed Wyoming (Least populated state in the United States) Athletics religiously over the years.

Dude is NOT INVITED TO THE COMBINE. He’s not a mystery phantom of the opera guy gonna ride into town on his white stallion kissing babies and resurrecting dead heroes. He’s a guy you’ve all made up to be your mythical hero, like people in these forums do every year. Then next year when Brett Smith was a 5th rounder and everyone has forgotten his name everyone will deny his ass just like Peter denying Jesus.

“Brett Smith? Me? I never talked about him, who is he?” And I will be too lazy to dig up all your posts, because I will be spending too much time reading all of your posts on the next Mythical Hero Brettly Smithers from Madagascar. Born to this world by Gods and raised by Lions, swam across the ocean to play football in America at University of Phoenix… satellite campus… Rutland, Vermont.

Clowney then what? Brett Smith! Followed by Brettly Smithers! Followed by Brettanica Smithsacks! Followed by Encyclopedia Britannica! Followed by release of Clowney and firing of BOB!
 
TexansFTW said:
How is Brett Smith gaining all of this hype? What a joke.

I’ve been in these forums for a while now and every year there is some phantom awesome QB that no one has ever heard of that is gonna revolutionize the game.

Everyone claims to have watched countless hours of film on them and knew who they were since Junior High because of course they have followed Wyoming (Least populated state in the United States) Athletics religiously over the years.

Dude is NOT INVITED TO THE COMBINE. He’s not a mystery phantom of the opera guy gonna ride into town on his white stallion kissing babies and resurrecting dead heroes. He’s a guy you’ve all made up to be your mythical hero, like people in these forums do every year. Then next year when Brett Smith was a 5th rounder and everyone has forgotten his name everyone will deny his ass just like Peter denying Jesus.

“Brett Smith? Me? I never talked about him, who is he?” And I will be too lazy to dig up all your posts, because I will be spending too much time reading all of your posts on the next Mythical Hero Brettly Smithers from Madagascar. Born to this world by Gods and raised by Lions, swam across the ocean to play football in America at University of Phoenix… satellite campus… Rutland, Vermont.

Clowney then what? Brett Smith! Followed by Brettly Smithers! Followed by Brettanica Smithsacks! Followed by Encyclopedia Britannica! Followed by release of Clowney and firing of BOB!
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Show just one person who has said Smith is or can be our savior? Talk about hyperbole!!!
 
mussop said:
Show just one person who has said Smith is or can be our savior? Talk about hyperbole!!!
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I just got caught up with 3 days of this thread. It's there. You really want me to copy paste everything that you can simply hit the back button and read yourself?
 
TexansFTW said:
How is Brett Smith gaining all of this hype? What a joke.

I’ve been in these forums for a while now and every year there is some phantom awesome QB that no one has ever heard of that is gonna revolutionize the game.

Everyone claims to have watched countless hours of film on them and knew who they were since Junior High because of course they have followed Wyoming (Least populated state in the United States) Athletics religiously over the years.

Dude is NOT INVITED TO THE COMBINE. He’s not a mystery phantom of the opera guy gonna ride into town on his white stallion kissing babies and resurrecting dead heroes. He’s a guy you’ve all made up to be your mythical hero, like people in these forums do every year. Then next year when Brett Smith was a 5th rounder and everyone has forgotten his name everyone will deny his ass just like Peter denying Jesus.

“Brett Smith? Me? I never talked about him, who is he?” And I will be too lazy to dig up all your posts, because I will be spending too much time reading all of your posts on the next Mythical Hero Brettly Smithers from Madagascar. Born to this world by Gods and raised by Lions, swam across the ocean to play football in America at University of Phoenix… satellite campus… Rutland, Vermont.

Clowney then what? Brett Smith! Followed by Brettly Smithers! Followed by Brettanica Smithsacks! Followed by Encyclopedia Britannica! Followed by release of Clowney and firing of BOB!
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Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he cant be a good QB. I watched 3 of his games last yr and he looked a lot like a more controlled Manziel on a terrible team to me. But hey, carry on with your closed mindedness that there's no other than TB. God's/TexansFTW chosen one. Have you even bothered to watch ANY other QB in this draft other than TB and if so would you care to elaborate on their strengths and weaknesses in relation to TB's strengths and weaknesses. Oh I forgot TB must not have any weaknesses, or atleast I haven't heard about them from YOU up until this point.
 
TexansFTW said:
I just got caught up with 3 days of this thread. It's there. You really want me to copy paste everything that you can simply hit the back button and read yourself?
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You're full of ****. No one has said smith could be our franchise QB. People have suggested we draft him. There's nothing wrong with wanting to draft the guy. NO ONE thinks he can come in and be the main guy.
 
mussop said:
You're full of ****. No one has said smith could be our franchise QB. People have suggested we draft him. There's nothing wrong with wanting to draft the guy. NO ONE thinks he can come in and be the main guy.
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Really? - then why draft him at all and why hasn't the suggestion been "and as an eventual upgrade to Keenum as backup Smith?" No, the determined to not draft a QB high crowd in particular has been pumping him as an eventual starter.

I'm not saying he won't succeed in the NFL but his timeline is too long for the Texans' short term needs. I'd have no opposition to him being taken very late as a flyer.
 
infantrycak said:
Really? - then why draft him at all and why hasn't the suggestion been "and as an eventual upgrade to Keenum as backup Smith?" No, the determined to not draft a QB high crowd in particular has been pumping him as an eventual starter.

I'm not saying he won't succeed in the NFL but his timeline is too long for the Texans' short term needs. I'd have no opposition to him being taken very late as a flyer.
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I've suggested drafting him in the fith as a backup. I can't believe anyone would think or suggest he could or should be drafted as the starting QB.
 
mussop said:
I've suggested drafting him in the fith as a backup. I can't believe anyone would think or suggest he could or should be drafted as the starting QB.
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That's because I am making all of this up and you know everything.

In fact, you probably knew I was about to make this post and already have a belittling comment coming back at me because you are so awesome and saw this coming, only because you are the smartest one in this forum and I am the biggest idiot of the forum. FITH round.

steelbtexan said:
Regardless of who the 1st pick is, this is a 3 yr rebuild. IMHO

Do you think the Texans are going to be contending for a SB by 2016-2017 season if TB is the pick? If so then we will have to agree to disagree.
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I do actually think we can be contending by then and make noise even sooner.

No Brady/Manning (likely retired)

SF and Seattle have dissolved (my theory) now because they had to pay all their young talent.

That's 4/4 conference championship teams removed from the equation. I think it's quite realistic if we quit failing at the draft for the next 3 years.
 
TexansFTW said:
That's because I am making all of this up and you know everything.

In fact, you probably knew I was about to make this post and already have a belittling comment coming back at me because you are so awesome and saw this coming, only because you are the smartest one in this forum and I am the biggest idiot of the forum. FITH round.



I do actually think we can be contending by then and make noise even sooner.

No Brady/Manning (likely retired)

SF and Seattle have dissolved (my theory) now because they had to pay all their young talent.

That's 4/4 conference championship teams removed from the equation. I think it's quite realistic if we quit failing at the draft for the next 3 years.
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Wooo you took that way too personal. Sorry I have a tendency to type things without thinking how they sound. My pov was that of disbelief. It was not intended to sound derogatory.
 
TexansFTW said:
That's because I am making all of this up and you know everything.

In fact, you probably knew I was about to make this post and already have a belittling comment coming back at me because you are so awesome and saw this coming, only because you are the smartest one in this forum and I am the biggest idiot of the forum. FITH round.



I do actually think we can be contending by then and make noise even sooner.

No Brady/Manning (likely retired)

SF and Seattle have dissolved (my theory) now because they had to pay all their young talent.

That's 4/4 conference championship teams removed from the equation. I think it's quite realistic if we quit failing at the draft for the next 3 years.
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Should've known you would respond to Mussop's post like this.

As far as my post goes, I hope you're right. When are we going to Vegas?

Typing things on a MB is one thing putting your $$$$$ where your mouth is, (TB) is quite another thing.
 
steelbtexan said:
Should've known you would respond to Mussop's post like this.

As far as my post goes, I hope you're right. When are we going to Vegas?

Typing things on a MB is one thing putting your $$$$$ where your mouth is, (TB) is quite another thing.
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I don't need to go to Vegas. The world is at my fingertips in 2014. Bovada. I am a frequenter of putting my money where my mouth is, at this frequented spot of mine, as well.

I am also in 2 fantasy football leagues. One I proudly have my name on a plaque that sits on an amazing 'Arm Chair Quarterback' trophy. The other I will be dressed as a homeless person on Westheimer in the Galleria area begging for money until I've collected enough money to satisfy the bet.

You may call me wrong, but you will never say that I don't put my money where my mouth is. Right or Wrong.
 
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Clowney chatter...
John Harris ‏@jharrisfootball
@JoshNorris @LanceZierlein Sorry, I got a little carried away (*slinks back to dark room with projector noise*)

John Harris ‏@jharrisfootball
@JoshNorris @LanceZierlein Got to see it to stop it - like Muhammad Ali jab. Can't stop what you can't see...RUMBLE YOUNG MAN RUMBLE...AHHH!

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@jharrisfootball I already know that

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@JoshNorris As long as Clowney continues to threaten the edge, the inside swim is devastating move that will be too tough for OTs to handle

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
@LanceZierlein yes sir. Been using that line as well.

John Harris ‏@jharrisfootball
@LanceZierlein I would say Put the Film on, bro, buuuut you know that already.

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@JoshNorris I guess they will have to ask J.J. Watt that same question.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
@LanceZierlein some, in fact, have questioned if that swim will translate...

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@jharrisfootball saw three more games today. It was sick the flash I would see.

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@JoshNorris I was embarrassed for Tiny Richardson…. until I saw the same arm over destroy literally everyone

John Harris ‏@jharrisfootball
Your brain after film session RT @LanceZierlein More I watch of Clowney, more I realize narrative of his demise in '13 was hyperbole-laden.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
@LanceZierlein absolutely. he converts speed to power at a ridiculous rate.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Yep RT @LanceZierlein: The more I watch Clowney, the more I realize the narrative of his demise this season was heavily-laden in hyperbole.

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
@JoshNorris Plus, I can separate the college production vs. the flash/traits needed to evaluate and project as NFL talent.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Disruption is production MT @LanceZierlein: More I watch Clowney, more I realize the narrative of his demise was heavily-laden in hyperbole.

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
While I like Manziel and Greg Robinson quite a bit, Clowney definitely has the elite traits and skill-set that makes him best in the draft

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
The more I watch of Clowney, the more I realize the narrative of his demise this season was heavily-laden in hyperbole.
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thunderkyss said:
D'oh.. I'm scared of you!!
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This place has gotten to the point where everything that can be said has been said .... and now people are just makin sh!t up to have something to say .... The combine & draft day cant get here fast enough .... I might have to take a forum vacation or banish myself back to the NSZ where I've been relegated for the past 8 years so my head doesn't explode from the stupidity.
 
Corrosion said:
This place has gotten to the point where everything that can be said has been said .... and now people are just makin sh!t up to have something to say .... The combine & draft day cant get here fast enough .... I might have to take a forum vacation or banish myself back to the NSZ where I've been relegated for the past 8 years so my head doesn't explode from the stupidity.
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Any news from the regional this past weekend?
 
thunderkyss said:
That's one of the things I noticed as well. Uncanny the way he explodes
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Me too and the way he disengages is impressive as well. He extends his arms and explodes towards the ball carrier. Very similar to the way JJ Watt does it. This is the main reason I think he will be successful in the nfl. Also people say he doesn't get low when he turns the corner. Actually he doesn't but he is so strong that he doesn't have to. Even though he isn't low he holds his line and you can tell how strong he is because the OLman is isn't leaning towards him but is straight up. Sometimes their upper body is even tilted back.
 
mussop said:
Me too and the way he disengages is impressive as well. He extends his arms and explodes towards the ball carrier. Very similar to the way JJ Watt does it. This is the main reason I think he will be successful in the nfl.
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Hopefully he can get that friendly competition thing going like Demeco & Cushing had, or Arian & Tate.

If we were to draft him, which I know we won't.
 
infantrycak said:
Really? - then why draft him at all and why hasn't the suggestion been "and as an eventual upgrade to Keenum as backup Smith?" No, the determined to not draft a QB high crowd in particular has been pumping him as an eventual starter.

I'm not saying he won't succeed in the NFL but his timeline is too long for the Texans' short term needs. I'd have no opposition to him being taken very late as a flyer.
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Exactly. Like on day 4.
 
Playoffs said:
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Clowney chatter...
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Kinda like reggie bush,lol. Oh,he's not producing,but by him being a decoy,that counts? I'm not saying clowney will have the career both good and bad of bush,I'm saying production does play a part in the process.

Let me be clear,there are talent intoxicating things to like about clowney,that's a given. Clowney from a natural athlete is off the charts,but there have been a lot of talents like clowney who bombed because they didn't live it. Mario was hurt his rookie yr,but played thru it on a bad football team. The next yr ,he started bringing it more more. By yr 3 he was all pro. Despite what many on this board think of mario,he's an all pro type de when he's healthy. Not only that,if you look at him vs the run,he ranks near the top also. Was he worth the money buffalo gave him? No, but neither was megatron or fitz. Those contgracts are for qbs,not positional players. If the texans draft clowney,which I doubt, iwill pull for him and hope becomes as good as jj on defense. If they pass,its not the end of the world as witnessed by Seattle. They have 1 1st rd pick(irvin) on the d-line and they manage fine.
 
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