Clowney, then what?

[mussop]

Interesting quotes from McNair.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24409092/nfl-draft-texans-mcnair-envisions-clowneywatt-tandem

2014 NFL Draft: Texans' Bob McNair envisions Clowney-Watt tandem


But McNair is also a proud alumnus of the University of South Carolina, and thusly he paid pretty close attention to junior defensive end Jadeveon Clowney, the No. 2 overall prospect eligible for the May draft according to NFLDraftScout.com.


"He's one of these players who's a once-in-every-10 years kind of physical specimen that comes along," McNair said, before comparing Clowney to the team's last No. 1 pick in 2006. "Mario Williams was that way. I think Clowney is actually a better athlete than Mario."


" McNair said. "He's not a J.J. Watt. J.J. didn't have that natural ability. He worked. He developed his. I said, 'J.J., I don't know what will happen, but if we get Clowney, we want you to instill in him the same kind of work habits that you have.' He said, 'If he's in the same room with me, then he'll have them."

 

[bhsman]

"McNair said. "He's not a J.J. Watt. J.J. didn't have that natural ability. He worked. He developed his. I said, 'J.J., I don't know what will happen, but if we get Clowney, we want you to instill in him the same kind of work habits that you have.' He said, 'If he's in the same room with me, then he'll have them."

Before anyone says this is McNair calling out Clowney as lazy, etc., he's actually saying that he thinks Clowney has more natural talent than Watt, though Watt got to where he is by compensating with supreme work ethic, which McNair wants taught to Clowney in the event that he is drafted.

 

[infantrycak]

Before anyone says this is McNair calling out Clowney as lazy, etc., he's actually saying that he thinks Clowney has more natural talent than Watt, though Watt got to where he is by compensating with supreme work ethic, which McNair wants taught to Clowney in the event that he is drafted.

Thanks for the translation from english to ... english.

 

[bhsman]

Thanks for the translation from english to ... english.

 

[qqert]

If you continue to pass off half-assed analysis as something competent, I'll continue to call it out as such.

i actually agree with his view on mettenberger.
dont want another schaub-like QB ever again.


i hope i didnt give you an aneurysm..

 

[steelbtexan]

i actually agree with his view on mettenberger.
dont want another schaub-like QB ever again.


i hope i didnt give you an aneurysm..

Schaub has a peewee league arm compared to Mettenberger. Mettenberger had a very successful yr under a former NFL OC. How many yrs has TB/Bortles/JM played under a former NFL OC or in an NFL offense? Did you know that Mettenberger is a very intelligent guy.

I'm not advocating that the Texans take Mettenberger but he's hardly a scrub.

 

[beerlover]

feeble attempt to confuse other teams but really only fooling the masses. look they could trade down one pick @ a time for all I care just long as they draft one of the "big three QB's"

 

[bhsman]

i actually agree with his view on mettenberger.
dont want another schaub-like QB ever again.

Feel free to list the ways they are similar, then.

i hope i didnt give you an aneurysm..

I don't get angry at the uninformed and/or stupid, just vocal.

 

[JCTexan]

Schaub has a peewee league arm compared to Mettenberger. Mettenberger had a very successful yr under a former NFL OC. How many yrs has TB/Bortles/JM played under a former NFL OC or in an NFL offense? Did you know that Mettenberger is a very intelligent guy.

I'm not advocating that the Texans take Mettenberger but he's hardly a scrub.

After watching some Mettenberger games (Mississippi St/Texas A&M) this evening I have to admit I see what you like in him. He's definitely got the strongest arm I have seen in this draft.

 

[leebigeztx]

What's with the Mettenberger love? He looks exactly like Schaub to me.

Don't disrespect schaub like that. Schaub played in college,zach has been avg at best. Take out furman,uab,and kent state and the guy threw 13 tds. He threw 9 tds vs those 3 schools. Oh,did I mention he has 2 wrs that will go in the 1st 40 picks? What about the 3 pick fiesta vs ole miss. I don't know how mettenberger gained so much traction. 64% in college with 2 top 40 nfl wrs? Gimme a break!

 

[WolverineFan]

Schaub has a peewee league arm compared to Mettenberger. Mettenberger had a very successful yr under a former NFL OC.

Mettenberger reminds me of Philip Rivers physically. Not to say they are at the same talent level, but they are both big immobile guys with big arms. The Schaub comparison in this draft is McCarron. Been saying it all year.

How many yrs has TB/Bortles/JM played under a former NFL OC or in an NFL offense? Did you know that Mettenberger is a very intelligent guy.

Bridgewater played in a pro style offense all 3 years in college. Not sure I would go to the length to call it an NFL offense, because his OC Shawn Watson never coached in the NFL, but it was certainly pro style. Full field reads and progressions, multiple play calls and QB has to get offense in the right one, audibles and adjustments at the line of scrimmage, etc.

 

[revan]

Mettenberger reminds me of Philip Rivers physically. Not to say they are at the same talent level, but they are both big immobile guys with big arms. The Schaub comparison in this draft is McCarron. Been saying it all year.




Bridgewater played in a pro style offense all 3 years in college. Not sure I would go to the length to call it an NFL offense, because his OC Shawn Watson never coached in the NFL, but it was certainly pro style. Full field reads and progressions, multiple play calls and QB has to get offense in the right one, audibles and adjustments at the line of scrimmage, etc.

Pretty cool that we will now see that type of offense at Texas now.

 

[Corrosion]

Full field reads and progressions, multiple play calls and QB has to get offense in the right one, audibles and adjustments at the line of scrimmage, etc.

Pretty cool that we will now see that type of offense at Texas now.

We had an offense like that under Kubiak ... The QB's just failed to make the right reads & adjustments on far too many occasions.


I'm waiting for "we don't audible" ....

 

[bhsman]

Don't disrespect schaub like that. Schaub played in college,zach has been avg at best. Take out furman,uab,and kent state and the guy threw 13 tds. He threw 9 tds vs those 3 schools. Oh,did I mention he has 2 wrs that will go in the 1st 40 picks? What about the 3 pick fiesta vs ole miss. I don't know how mettenberger gained so much traction. 64% in college with 2 top 40 nfl wrs? Gimme a break!

I'd make a joke about having to throw out the entirety of Louisville's schedule by comparison, but then I realized it was leebigztx, so I literally don't have to take the post seriously.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...hes-jadeveon-clowney-225207116--nfl.html?vp=1

 

[leebigeztx]

I'd make a joke about having to throw out the entirety of Louisville's schedule by comparison, but then I realized it was leebigztx, so I literally don't have to take the post seriously.

Maybe you should. Against Florida in 2012, Mettenberg was 11-23 for 148 yds 0td and a pick. We won't even talk about the clemson game from the bowl that yr. Say it again, kent state,furman,and uab 9tds. Vs the sec 13 tds total. Yet he's supposed to be an option? You can sell me on bortles,murray,and boyd if they don't pick TB,can't sell meon mettenburger period. As I said before,this isn't eli or cutler playing with less than sec talent. This dude will have 2 wrs that may get drafted in the 1st rd.

 

[Texan_Bill]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...hes-jadeveon-clowney-225207116--nfl.html?vp=1

Just saw this as well.

Anywho, it shouldn't come as a big surprise. What? with Bob being from South Carolina and a USC alum and all?

 

[Texan_Bill]

Maybe you should. Against Florida in 2012, Mettenberg was 11-23 for 148 yds 0td and a pick. We won't even talk about the clemson game from the bowl that yr. Say it again, kent state,furman,and uab 9tds. Vs the sec 13 tds total. Yet he's supposed to be an option? You can sell me on bortles,murray,and boyd if they don't pick TB,can't sell meon mettenburger period. As I said before,this isn't eli or cutler playing with less than sec talent. This dude will have 2 wrs that may get drafted in the 1st rd.

Dude seriously, I'm old, my knees are shyte, I drink entirely too much and I weigh a buck sixty five. Suffice to say TB is NOT an option.

 

[thunderkyss]

feeble attempt to confuse other teams but really only fooling the masses. look they could trade down one pick @ a time for all I care just long as they draft one of the "big three QB's"

Bortles..... 6'4"

Mettenberger... 6'5" 235

Logan Thomas... 6'6" 260

 

[IDEXAN]

With the Houston Texans hiring of Bill O’Brien much of the talk has been which quarterback O’Brien and the Texans would draft with the No. 1 pick in the 2014 NFL draft.

With Teddy Bridgewater leaving the Louisville Cardinals, UCF’s Blake Bortles entering his name in the draft and the anticipated declaration of former Heisman winner Johnny Manziel, there will be some intriguing candidates for the Texans to choose from.

However, the Texans may not even draft a quarterback according to Gil Brandt who suggests a trade could be a possibility.
The 6-6 Mallett has yet to appear in a regular season for the New England Patriots who drafted him out of Arkansas in the third round in 2011. O’Brien was on the Patriots staff when Mallett was drafted and even though he left for the Penn State job shortly thereafter, he is familiar with the big pocket passer.

Could the Texans trade a second round pick for Mallett and use the top pick on Jadeveon Clowney or trade down to acquire more picks?

Adding a player with pro experience to a veteran team could expedite the Texans rebuilding effort and get back into the postseason.

http://fansided.com/2014/01/06/brandt-patriots-texans-potential-trade-partners-ryan-mallett/
*****
All Right, now that's what I'm talking about !

 

[MistaRed]

This means

A. Your mind is made up, Teddy Bear Love

B. You've never seen Mettenberger play.


Have you gotten to see Brett Smith? Tell me how different he is from Teddy?

Wrong on both accounts.

 

[steelbtexan]

Wrong on both accounts.

Really?

Who do you want the Texans to pick as of right now?

The only things Schaub and Mettenberger have in common are

1. The both have run pro offenses
2. They aren't running QB's but Mettenberger can navigate the pocket. Where post injury Schaub couldn't.
3. They're both tall.

Tell me more about how they are alike and different?

 

[thunderkyss]

Mettenberger reminds me of Philip Rivers physically. Not to say they are at the same talent level, but they are both big immobile guys with big arms. The Schaub comparison in this draft is McCarron. Been saying it all year.

I wouldn't mind it one bit if OB decides to get Mettenberger or McCarron later in the draft.

Mett does remind me of Rivers. McCarron looks more like Flacco or Matt Ryan to me.


What would be great, is if we can get Mettenberger, then pick up Logan Thomas.

 

[WolverineFan]

I wouldn't mind it one bit if OB decides to get Mettenberger or McCarron later in the draft.

Mett does remind me of Rivers. McCarron looks more like Flacco or Matt Ryan to me.


What would be great, is if we can get Mettenberger, then pick up Logan Thomas.

Mett reminds me of a less talented, and less fiery, Philip Rivers. McCarron/Flacco makes no sense. Flacco has a cannon. McCarron/Ryan makes more sense, although I still compare McCarron to Schaub because of his nature to check down and avoid any risk altogether. I want nothing to do with McCarron btw, if it wasn't already obvious.

Also, I want no part of Logan Thomas, unless we're moving him back to TE.

 

[bhsman]

Maybe you should. Against Florida in 2012, Mettenberg was 11-23 for 148 yds 0td and a pick.

You're right, it's almost as though the only context of that game is Mett's stats; we shouldn't regard anything like freak injuries and what effect they have on a game.

Please don't talk about things you have no idea about. It just makes you look even more inept than your posts about Clowney have already.

EDIT: Hell, basic googling would have told you enough rather than your lazy 'stats only' approach.

 

[Fred]

Bortles..... 6'4"

Mettenberger... 6'5" 235

Logan Thomas... 6'6" 260

Jamarcus Russell... 6'6" 265 no, wait make that 309!

 

[leebigeztx]

You're right, it's almost as though the only context of that game is Mett's stats; we shouldn't regard anything like freak injuries and what effect they have on a game.

Please don't talk about things you have no idea about. It just makes you look even more inept than your posts about Clowney have already.

EDIT: Hell, basic googling would have told you enough rather than your lazy 'stats only' approach.

Yeah,you're right,you're the only poster that had thi far fetched claim about clowney being double and triple teamed when everyone else saw 4 doubles and 2 chips that weren't even chip blocks.

Yeah,basic googling can tell me the stats on mettenberger,but 7 games on a dvr can also tell me the other story about zach. Read and say it aloud. Nfl 1st rd wrs, 13 tds in the sec. Which as great as it is from top to bottom with talent,we see johnny football put up cartoon like numbers against those same vaunted defense. 13 tds in what 10 sec games? Last year,he had 12 tds total and played like crap in the bowl game vs a clemson defense that wasn't that great either. Zach is a bum with a capital B . He looks great getting off the bus,he just isn't a good qb.

 

[bOODRO87]

Yeah,you're right,you're the only poster that had thi far fetched claim about clowney being double and triple teamed when everyone else saw 4 doubles and 2 chips that weren't even chip blocks.

Yeah,basic googling can tell me the stats on mettenberger,but 7 games on a dvr can also tell me the other story about zach. Read and say it aloud. Nfl 1st rd wrs, 13 tds in the sec. Which as great as it is from top to bottom with talent,we see johnny football put up cartoon like numbers against those same vaunted defense. 13 tds in what 10 sec games? Last year,he had 12 tds total and played like crap in the bowl game vs a clemson defense that wasn't that great either. Zach is a bum with a capital B . He looks great getting off the bus,he just isn't a good qb.

Don't bother with the boy. I stated the obvious (His one good year, ACL tear, and a good team around him). It's one thing to agree to disagree, but he flipped out saying I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and to pretty much F off.

 

[TexansFTW]

:vincepalm: I'm well aware of what a buffoon is, look up a bafoon for me

Yall were looking in the wrong dictionary

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bafoon

The main thing for me is getting a 2015 1st in addition to what they get in this yrs draft.

Draft Brett Smith in the 3rd this yr and if he doesn't look like he will pan out then you have two 1sts to go get your QB in the better 2015 QB draft.

What happens if the Jags get TB and he works out great for them and now we play Luck and TB 2x a year over the next 10 years?

What if our QB sucks (Brett Smith, cause he probably will) and we need to get one in the 1st round next year, but we are picking at #8? I think it's safe to say most of the top 10 picks are QB needy teams. What if there are only 4 1st round QBs next year and we need to trade up? Do you package our #8 pick and (let's say it's a 15) our traded for #15 to move up to the #3 pick?

So now you might get the 3rd best QB, 1 year later, and your divisional opponents got what you needed to get a year ago. You're now 1 year behind the game and Andre Johnson is thinking about hanging it up and not doing this new QB thing again.

People are always so sure of what will be on the horizon tomorrow until the sun rises.

As far as Clowney, then what? I do not want ANY QB in rounds 2 or 3 at that point. I like none of them. Get a journeyman and draft talent with the 2nd pick, not a scumbag QB. I'm down w/ best available TE or BA OLB and move Brooks Reed inside.

 

[TexansFTW]

What's with the Mettenberger love? He looks exactly like Schaub to me.

Thank you! All these SEC fan boys have fallen in love with him though. A lot of QBs look good against A&M too. I like his strong arm, his size, and his poise in the pocket, but poise in the pocket almost means nothing to me anymore with an SEC QB. Not the greatest, but a very solid O Line, Collins probably going in first round next year.

Where are all his game winning TD drives that he HAD to do to win the game? The only time he faced some adversity last year where they needed him in the 4th he tore his ACL and Jennings (his backup) marched down the field and won the game. Never had to throw to a win a game, or when he had to, he lost the game...

All the same praise and love people give him can almost be cut out and put on an AJ McCarron thread 2 months ago, but since he's injured he gets the benefit of the doubt?? If he starts he's gonna get sacked 45+ times his rookie year, get scared, and be a loser until he's replaced in the draft by the next "Zach Met". But, but, he lit up Kent State and UAB in back to back weeks!

 

[thunderkyss]

If we were to get Bridgewater..... then trade back up in the first to get Stephon Tuitt..... 6'6" 310

“Oh, so you think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man, by then to me it was only blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me.”

 

[aussie_texan]

if we take clowney at number 1 and he plays up to his potential and that of a number 1 pick, there is no way we will be able to afford both him and watt in the salary cap in the future, we would have way to much cap tied into our d-line.

Now disclaimer I'm not saying we should not draft someone just incase he makes it big time but it may be something to consider because that means if we find a QB eventually we won't have the money to pay him as well.

 

[bhsman]

Yeah,you're right,you're the only poster that had thi far fetched claim about clowney being double and triple teamed when everyone else saw 4 doubles and 2 chips that weren't even chip blocks.

Your responses to both of my individual evaluations of his UNC and Tennessee game were to proclaim "Nuh uh! Those don't count!" without actually explaining why. Unless you're simply lazy and don't want to address it, I'd understand.

Yeah,basic googling can tell me the stats on mettenberger,but 7 games on a dvr can also tell me the other story about zach. Read and say it aloud. Nfl 1st rd wrs, 13 tds in the sec.

So wideouts get production in a vacuum, got it. Golly you have no idea what you're talking about.

Which as great as it is from top to bottom with talent,we see johnny football put up cartoon like numbers against those same vaunted defense. 13 tds in what 10 sec games?

Manziel is a top-five pick and has two first rounders on his oline and Evans is expected to go higher than either Landry or Beckham; we're discussing Mettenberger as a follow-up to Clowney unless you'd prefer JFF at first overall. Please pay attention.

Last year,he had 12 tds total and played like crap in the bowl game vs a clemson defense that wasn't that great either. Zach is a bum with a capital B . He looks great getting off the bus,he just isn't a good qb.

Last year the LSU offensive line imploded with injuries and those 'first round wideouts' you love to heap praise on weren't nearly as consistent as they were this year, with the exception of Jarvis.

See, you would know all this if you actually watched games and didn't just peruse stats all day. If you actually responded with any, y'know, actual tape study like I attempted with Clowney, I might take you seriously. Not that I expect you to try.

Don't bother with the boy. I stated the obvious (His one good year, ACL tear, and a good team around him). It's one thing to agree to disagree, but he flipped out saying I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and to pretty much F off.

I didn't pretty much tell you to 'F off', I AM telling you that, kid. Even this year, when Mettenberger had a great year with two thousand-yard receivers, his 'good team' had a young and inexperienced defense coupled with an offensive line whose play ranged from dominant in cupcake games to absolute dog****e in other games (see the critical sacks given up against Georgia or four consecutive sacks against Alabama).

The only dependable parts of the offense were Mett, Landry, Beckham, and Hill this year, who would produce no matter the game. Your criticism of 'one good year' severely overlooks:

-His growth (and you know how Rick Smith likes players who improved year-to-year)
-His tools (size, big arm, accuracy, and good decision-making ability)
-His incorporation of new coaching.

But, but, he lit up Kent State and UAB in back to back weeks!

I won't even bother with the rest of this idiotic post, suffice to say if you want to bring up cupcake teams I sure hope you aren't a Bridgewater fan.

Not to knock Bridgewater, but he had a piss-weak schedule this year.

 

[Texan_Bill]

clowney & jj watt!
defense wins championships!

Statistically, not as true as you might think.

Super Bowl Myths: 'Defense Wins Championships........."


*****************

[/QUOTE]




To address "Remember the inbred children of Uranus" Titans:

Bertier: See man, that's the worst attitude I ever heard.

Big Ju: Attitude reflects leadership, captain.

Big Ju was spot on!!!

 

[TexansFTW]

I won't even bother with the rest of this idiotic post, suffice to say if you want to bring up cupcake teams I sure hope you aren't a Bridgewater fan.

Not to knock Bridgewater, but he had a piss-weak schedule this year.

I'm sorry that Mettenberger is your cousin and you feel that you have to defend him so hard.

I'm glad that if people watch the same game as you, but don't see what you see they are idiots.

I'm sorry that Mettenberger has no statistical evidence to back up any of your claims.

I'm glad that if you look at him on a DVR and take away everything that makes it difficult for him to complete a pass he'd be the best QB ever.

Difficult pass rushes and injured O Line only happen in college though, he won't have to worry about that in the NFL.

But, but, but... I love him.

Now, I'm glad you proved your the toughest person in this message board. Thanks bud.

 

[bOODRO87]

PMSboy. It has a good ring to it, don't you think?

 

[Blake]

If you don't mind, can you go back to beating your neighborhood's barking dogs and leave the rage off this board?

I don't condone that.

 

[qqert]

Statistically, not as true as you might think.

Super Bowl Myths: 'Defense Wins Championships........."


*****************

To address "Remember the inbred children of Uranus" Titans:



Big Ju was spot on!!![/QUOTE]


thank you bill, the stats do present the truth the last few years.
still love watching defense more than offense though!

hoping we could keep the ninja but if not clowney will do!
just make jj beat his behind red if he doesnt put the work in!

 

[Playoffs]

Not a surprise. Should be record setting Underwear Olympics.

Josh Kendall ‏@JoshatTheState

Jadeveon Clowney will participate in all drills at NFL Combine, he says. "The numbers I am going to put up are going to be amazing."

 

[klockWork]

if we take clowney at number 1 and he plays up to his potential and that of a number 1 pick, there is no way we will be able to afford both him and watt in the salary cap in the future, we would have way to much cap tied into our d-line.

Now disclaimer I'm not saying we should not draft someone just incase he makes it big time but it may be something to consider because that means if we find a QB eventually we won't have the money to pay him as well.

If Clowney plays to his potential and Watt continue his mad dominance we won't need a great qb. If Clowney is truly great McNair should pry Trent Dilfer out of retirement and offer him a vet minimum.

There's nothing more nightmarish to an elite qb than hurrying a throw from just a 4-man rush.

 

[aussie_texan]

If Clowney plays to his potential and Watt continue his mad dominance we won't need a great qb. If Clowney is truly great McNair should pry Trent Dilfer out of retirement and offer him a vet minimum.

There's nothing more nightmarish to an elite qb than hurrying a throw from just a 4-man rush.

melbourne has been in a massive heat wave of 5 days straight of over 110 so i didn't really think this comment through correctly.

that being said, a top defence rarely wins you a championship, it may get you there but in todays league you live and die by your QB. you need elite play from your QB to win superbowls

 

[Nawzer]

Not a surprise. Should be record setting Underwear Olympics.

Josh Kendall ‏@JoshatTheState

And that's going to get McNair and Rick Smith hard like a mofo.

 

[klockWork]

melbourne has been in a massive heat wave of 5 days straight of over 110 so i didn't really think this comment through correctly.

that being said, a top defence rarely wins you a championship, it may get you there but in todays league you live and die by your QB. you need elite play from your QB to win superbowls

I honestly think if a QB, any QB, is getting pressure from both side of his earholes from just a 4man rush, the offense won't even need to step on to the field to win the game. The amount of turnovers and pick six opportunity would be comical.

 

[mussop]

melbourne has been in a massive heat wave of 5 days straight of over 110 so i didn't really think this comment through correctly.

that being said, a top defence rarely wins you a championship, it may get you there but in todays league you live and die by your QB. you need elite play from your QB to win superbowls

Look at last years Super Bowl and tell me who was the elite QB in that game.

 

[infantrycak]

Look at last years Super Bowl and tell me who was the elite QB in that game.

While he is not ordinarily elite, Flacco played at an elite level throughout the playoffs last year.

4 games, 1140 yds, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 120+ QB rating.

 

[Marshall]

Bad argument. Who isn't worth less than themselves and a first round pick. :vincepalm:

The argument is valid. If you want a player who is available on the 4th pick and another team is willing to give you an additional pick to move up, then it's the smart move to move down, still get your pick and get the additional pick. But you must live with the possibility that the other teams would make the unexpected move for your guy. But there would then be an extra top pick to choose from.

Play this out. You want Manziel.

1-1 Pick Manziel. Next pick 2-33. or:

Trade 1-1 for 1-4;1-26 and 2-36 or 2015 1-?. - anticipate:
1-1 TB
1-2 Clowney
1-3 Bortles
1-4 Manziel. Next pick 1-26 plus 2-36 or 2015 1-?.

If surprised, you still have the extra picks and at least one of the anticipated players (TB, Clowney or Bortles).

 

[mussop]

The argument is valid. If you want a player who is available on the 4th pick and another team is willing to give you an additional pick to move up, then it's the smart move to move down, still get your pick and get the additional pick. But you must live with the possibility that the other teams would make the unexpected move for your guy. But there would then be an extra top pick to choose from.

Play this out. You want Manziel.

1-1 Pick Manziel. Next pick 2-33. or:

Trade 1-1 for 1-4;1-26 and 2-36 or 2015 1-?. - anticipate:
1-1 TB
1-2 Clowney
1-3 Bortles
1-4 Manziel. Next pick 1-26 plus 2-36 or 2015 1-?.

If surprised, you still have the extra picks and at least one of the anticipated players (TB, Clowney or Bortles).

I get what you're saying and That's fine if you are ok with any of those players. Personally I am. I've said I would trade down all the way to the 6th pick ( with the right compensation) and be happy with who ever is there.

The question is, what is BOB going to be ok with.

 

[Marshall]

I don't condone that.

Why do we get so much more upset with animal abuse than Human fetus abuse?

 

[JB]

Why do we get so much more upset with animal abuse than Human fetus abuse?

Take that to the no spin zone please

 

[aussie_texan]

While he is not ordinarily elite, Flacco played at an elite level throughout the playoffs last year.

4 games, 1140 yds, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 120+ QB rating.

^^^^^^^^
this!