Exactly. Also, which WR on this year's roster is better than Cooks?
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CJ Stroud year 2
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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Have you ever had a pressure cooker?
Actually, you don't need to have one, you certainly know what I'm talking about.
The more pressure, the easier for the lid to burst.
Humans are the same way, that's why there are terms like "relieving stress", "the bubble burst" etc.
In the long run, people (QBs)'s performance goes down as pressure increases.
You, yourself, had indulged in conversations like "the Texans ruined David Carr 'cause they didn't fix their Oline".
This article is long.
Does pressuring the quarterback really lead to good defensive outcomes in the NFL?
Are modern NFL QBs becoming "immune" to pressure?
www.milehighreport.com
Here's another article on how pressure is important.
A Reminder From Dick LeBeau That Pressure Is More Important Than Sacks
I already wrote earlier today about how a key stable of the core Dick LeBeau zone-blitz defense is the ability of the inside linebackers to have a diverse skill set that includes an aptitude for rushing the passer, and how it is imperative that the Pittsburgh Steelers continue to demonstrate...
steelersdepot.com
Or this article, where the coach says the more pressure a defender can generate, the more he can help his team win
Packers OLB coach explains why pressures say more than sacks
A sack is a great play by a pass rusher, but that doesn't mean counting up every pass rusher's total number of sacks is the best way to determine who the best pass rusher in the NFL is.
www.nbcsports.com
Belichik also said things along those lines, that getting consistent pressure on the QB is more important than getting sacks.
If you disagree with the pros, I have nothing to say.
There's no rabbit hole here to dig.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Moore was actually good for Mills too.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And??
If you’re referencing pocket time I don’t know how the different sites arrive at their numbers. Pro Football Reference says 1.0 second. Maybe that only includes the pressure plays. Either way, the site you used still has him 24th, and the point still stands. All QBs struggle against pressure and Stroud gets a ton of it.
There are reasons why these guys play defense instead of WR or TE.
And Stroud's balls are stronger/harder than you think (
intentionally worded 
)The sideline route that the RCB jumped and the announcer excitedly claimed "nearly intercepted" was never going to be.
Don't fall for that rouser.
Why are we still talking about Mills?
One can see the vast difference between the two.
Stroud can find guys further downfield than Mills even with more pressure in his face, and he's still much more accurate with his ball placement.
I like that Stroud is taking his shots downfield. Great. But until this O-line is straightened out, I want more dinking and dunking. And throwing the ball away. C.J. is taking too many hits.
As much as Stroud gets pressured, he is 6 on the list for having the most 3rd down passes for a first round. He also has the most attempts (15/31) on third downs than other quarterback.
stats.washingtonpost.com
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Went down that rabbit hole yet again. When am I going to learn.
Number19
Hall of Fame
What are "splits"?
My dreams? LMAO
I'm just going by past history.
If you dont learn from the past and the McNair's obviously didn't or didn't care, then you're doomed to repeat that history.
BTW, Stroud's already a better QB than Derrick is and Derricks play tells you how good of a job BOB did to get the best out of Derrick. Few on this MB will admit this. Or maybe Derrick's still just rusty.
Cooks that quit on the team isn't the Cooks you're making him out to be.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
He had happy Cooks more than unhappy Cooks. Especially when it mattered most end of last season. But you can continue your excuses. Meanwhile, the rest of us will tell you “NO EXCUSES.”
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
It's fairly common when looking at statistics, to "split" them on different variables. For example, there's data out there that breaks down the QB stats by down, by quarter, by distance, by down and distance, by turf vs. artificial surfaces, by...
So in this example, he's looking at the pressure/nonpressure split.
Cooks that didn't quit on the team isn't the Cooks you're making him out to be.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Another good example of "splits" are comparing home vs away statistics or night vs day games or passing/running to the right vs left. In other words, you "split" the statistics for comparison purposes.
First, why is pressure % not relevant. Would not a guy who is pressured on 20 plays react differently than someone pressured on 5 plays? Pressure % seems very relevant.
Second, is it OK to make sweeping analysis based off 2/17th's of one season? If so, the Texans have an elite QB (#2 in the league after his initial 2 games) when not under pressure. Great. They're halfway there to having a QB ready to compete for championships. Fix this pressure stuff, and Superb Owl here we come!
Someone in this organization knows a good QB when they see one.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Until the offensive line gets together, there will be more drinking and drunking.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I keep asking for beer and am surprised when it tastes like beer
Can the pressure stuff by fixed?
Some QB's perform better when there's pressure on them than others. Those are the top tier QB's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
i'm more intrigued with how "pressure" is defined to be able to come up with such a metric. That's such a vague term & can be defined any number of ways that would make Stroud look bad. Obviously however it's being defined here it has to factor in sacks b/c most everyone who has watched him thus far say that that is the #1 thing he needs to get better at...taking unneccessary sacks...........& i know that sacks are generally considered to be on the qb with the rationalization being that you have to get rid of the ball. But kinda like INT's, all sacks aren't equal & if you've actually been watching him & studying the tape...you also understand that alot of the sacks he's been taking are clearly not on him; his o-line deserves at least some of that blame.
I've seen him make some great playmaking throws when he's had pressure from a 4 man rush...I've seen him climb the pocket to buy himself a little time when he's had pressure all around him from a blitz. I've seen him escape the pocket & make throws when he's had pressure from a regular 4 man front & from a blitz. He's even scrambled a little. There's alot there to be encouraged by in terms of how he has handled pressure thus far.
So throwing out a number with no context...especially with something as vague as "pressure" and basically saying that he's on brand is somewhat absurd. Especially given the fact that every qb is effected by it & every qb isn't dealing with the same challenges.
Everyone here understands that he's not a finished product by any means. but the early returns look VERY promising & in this sense, i'll just say i don't care what the contrived metric says, from what i've been seeing, my eyes ain't lying to my brain.
I've seen him make some great playmaking throws when he's had pressure from a 4 man rush...I've seen him climb the pocket to buy himself a little time when he's had pressure all around him from a blitz. I've seen him escape the pocket & make throws when he's had pressure from a regular 4 man front & from a blitz. He's even scrambled a little. There's alot there to be encouraged by in terms of how he has handled pressure thus far.
So throwing out a number with no context...especially with something as vague as "pressure" and basically saying that he's on brand is somewhat absurd. Especially given the fact that every qb is effected by it & every qb isn't dealing with the same challenges.
Everyone here understands that he's not a finished product by any means. but the early returns look VERY promising & in this sense, i'll just say i don't care what the contrived metric says, from what i've been seeing, my eyes ain't lying to my brain.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
There's really only 1 guy that that somewhat applies to right now & he just happens to be the best qb in the game. but even HE has shown to have some issues from time to time with pressure if it's deployed in the right way. & all the other guys under him in the ever debated "top 5" have shown that they are just as vulnerable to pressure as all qbs are.
2. Joe Burrow - has looked like **** all season. His o-line is about what ours looks like & he's injured. CJ has more passing yards than him right now.
3. Josh Allen - That Monday night jets debacle is the story of his career when he has consistent pressure on him
4. Jalen Hurts - The new guy to the list, hasn't really looked the same as he did last year, but the biggest play in the SB last year was him fumbling trying to escape pressure
5. Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Lamar Jackson, Tua...........whomever you want to put in this 5th slot have all shown vulnerabilities to pressure in key moments throughout their careers.
Burrow deals with pressure as good as anybody. He's playing hurt right now as CnD told us and it looks like he might be out for a while. Should've waited to bring him back.
Dont know about Hurts because he's rarely pressured but he's had success when he's been pressured.
Allen performs well under pressure but forces too many throws.
Herbert played well behind aa bad OL last yr, so he does well under pressure. There's something wrong with that team.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'll give you Burrow..the rest not so much.
Allen is terrible with pressure. Part of the reason he forces throws is b/c he's being sped up by pressure. That's when he's unable to run.
Herbert is garbage against pressure. That's 1 of the big knocks with him right now & why SD hasn't been able to put it together.
Hurts, the scheme they run somewhat protects him, but he's just as vulnerable to pressure when he's forced to be a pocket passer & its deployed right.
This is really an oversimplification. Elite QBs based on their experience, play calling, OL and pre-snap reads can counter pressure. However, no QB by himself can perform better when there is pressure on them. Have you forgotten how many business decisions Brady and Manning made under pressure? Especially, when that pressure came up the middle?
Don't believe me, look how Brady handled the "pressure" from the Giants.
They're all short term.
Some years Brady did well under pressure; some years he didn't.
Same thing with other QBs, even Keenum.
What Tom Brady And Case Keenum Do Better Than Anyone Else
Pressure on the quarterback is often a determining factor in which team wins the Super Bowl. However, pressure does not only mean sacks. Just forcing a quarterb…
fivethirtyeight.com
Texansballer74
The Marine
They’re only talking like that because, they don’t like the player or the person.
Dude keeps bringing up Mills this and that. But since he likes the player/person. He comes up with all types of excuses. Oh he didn’t have a line. Oh he didn’t have any weapons.
Earl, Mills was terrible under pressure. Dude wouldn’t go through his reads, wouldn’t attempt to extend the play with his feet and was inaccurate AF. But ole buddy gives him a pass and says he wasn’t treated right.
@Texansballer74 @zshawn10
You should make a separate thread for all these post game video's and critiques
You should make a separate thread for all these post game video's and critiques
That would be great! And discussions could remain separate
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
No excuses.
Super Bowl LV for instance, when the Chiefs starting OTs were injured.
I think it could be a fun idea, my only concern is how to 'police' what should always necessarily be where.
For instance if someone in a discussion wanted to use a tweet (is it a xeet now?) with a video clip as an example or evidence then that should be ok, right?
Yeah, I don't understand how Texans fans can't get excited about Stroud. Though enthusiasm has to be tempered by the current pass blocking, lack of run game, and shoulder issue. The more I think about it, I'm upset the Texans didn't trade up tp #1 to ensure Stroud became a Texan. Took a big chance. I was crazy for Bryce, but he doesn't have the downfield passing ability of Stroud. Young does have the one premier skill that Stroud lacks, escapability*. We'll see if that's something C.J. can overcome.
* Escapability is a word in football, because Madden said it.
* Escapability is a word in football, because Madden said it.
Sure, if they weren't stringing 20 posts successfully
While I generally agree look at Burrow, he made the SB with a terrible OL and constant pressure. Of course he had great weapons to throw too.
I tend to agree that spamming a bunch of videos (even if we like the videos by and large) with no context can be a lot.
I'll leave it up to the peeps, if enough people want to do it that way then I'd be cool with it. Or frankly if you wanna fire it up to see how it goes JB, feel free my man.
I'll leave it up to those posting the majority of the videos
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Right. And I assume most here probably have access to all of that, so stringing together 15 videos in a row is a bit much.
Then again, it's one stop shopping.
If there is a thread started, just the no context randon string of videos could go there. Videos pertaining to a specific conversation within a thread should be left alone. Commenting on the random video thread? I don't know. This is a board that runs on opinion and conversation. I think it would be OK to converse within that thread. It doesn't have to be strict like the player transaction thread where it's easier to keep up with transactions if the conversation is held elsewhere. Hence the player transaction discussion thread.
He didn't have much talent to work with and what was wrong with him is he predetermined his reads even if he wasn't under pressure. This could've been a product of getting the crap beat out of him. His other weakness was consistently throwing accurately outside the numbers on intermediate routes. I saw him run many times so I dont get where you get the he refused to run thingy. BTW, I saw Sunday in the little bit I watched that Stroud had a chance to run for a 1st down but didn't and threw an incompletion leading to a punt. You dont see me harping on this because I dont have a problem with this because he's learning.
All I said was Mills didn't have the weapons that Stroud has, which is true and you want to turn this into a Mills vs Stroud thing. SMH
For the record I didn't want Mills to be the QB this yr. It seems as though you think that I did?
