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CJ Stroud year 2

steelbtexan said:
True,

About Slowik and the OL, Slowik's hands are kinda tied in his playcalling, because 1. The OL isn't good, but after week 4 the OL should be healthy which should help improve the playcalling. 2. He's dealing with a rookie QB and that limits the playbook. Although Purdy didn't seem to have these issues.
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Slowik was the 49ers passing game coordinator and only had 2 years of even coaching on the offensive side. I think he has potential as an OC, but it appears you think that he was primarily responsible for Purdy's success or was the play caller for the 49ers. I think a guy named Kyle Shanahan is conveniently being ignored when you mention Purdy's success.

Anyone remember Brian Billick? The Ravens hired him because he was the Vikings OC and their high scoring offense with Randy Moss and Daunte Culpepper. Everyone label him an offensive genius while forgetting he was running Denny Green's offense. He gets hired by the Ravens and without Denny Green, he ran some of the worst offenses in NFL history.

Like his rookie QB, I expect some growing pains with Slowik and wish him nothing but success, but he didn't bring Shanahan with him.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Is he ever not complimentary?

Don't get me wrong, I watch all his stuff, love the content, but he approaches every QB as if he were their coach. "This is what he does well, this is what he needs to work on." kind of stuff.
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I agree overall that it's his style to do videos that way, but I'd say he's had previous videos of CJ that were far more critical of him imo and not quite as hype with the compliments. Could also be because there's simply more tape to dive over rather than just a series or two from the preseason.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Yeah, not having our Oline issue in SF has really helped Purdy out a lot. Will be nice when we get a stout Oline nice and healthy and have gelled together with some playing time together under their belts
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Have you watched Watt abuse McKivitz and Buford last Sunday? They weren't good.
 
michaelm said:
I don't know if it's been mentioned but FWIW, apparently C.J. Stroud is the first rookie QB in NFL history to make a Week 1 start with over 45 dropbacks without throwing a single interception.
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How many completions has a rookie QB had in a game without throwing a TD?
 
steelbtexan said:
How many completions has a rookie QB had in a game without throwing a TD?
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That's an interesting question. Using 28 or more completions as my baseline...

Against Buffalo in a game the Steelers lost 33-8, Kinney Pickett went 34/52 for 327 yards, 0 TDs, and 1 INT.

Against Tampa Bay in a game the Cowpokes won 26-20, Dak Prescott went 32/36 for 279 yards, 0 TDs, and 0 INTs.

Against the Rams in a game the Cardinals lost 31-17, Ryan Lindley went 31/52 for 312 yards, 0 TDs, and 4 INTs.

Against the Colts in a game the Texans lost 31-3, Davis Mills went 29/43 for for 243 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs.

Against the Panthers in a game the Buccs lost 38-10, Jameis Winston went 29/47 for 325 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs.

Against the Colts in a game the Ravens lost 31-3, Mr. Elite Joe Flacco went 28/38 for 241 yards, 0 TDs, and 3 INTs.

And as far as I can tell, that's it.

Against the Ravens in a game the Texans lost 29-5, CJ Stroud went 28/44 for 244 yards, 0 TDs, and 0 INTs.

I didn't check to see if those others were in their first game or not.

EDIT: I should have noted that I only went back to like 2000 because I didn't want to choke the search engine.
 
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michaelm said:
I'm pretty sure you know that I don't have the answer to that question off the top of my head.
But seeing how you have the same access to Google that I do, you could answer it yourself, if it was an honest question and not a failed attempt at some kind of gotcha
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What?

It was an honest question that has been answered. I appreciate the Pencil Neck for answering it.

Not everything is nefarious in life. I really feel sorry for if you look at life this way.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Some teams put a bunch of faith in WONDERLIC, which was based on a lot of debunked ideas (like the concept of IQ). S2 is more pseudoscience mombo-jombo.

Limiting their service to half the NFL is also a blatant marketing gimmick. Considering their site is filled with word salad ad copy, that is not surprising.
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I think the S2 has much more merit than the Wonderlic ever did. I don't think it's pseudoscience at all. On the other hand, it's nor an end all be all test. You still have to scout a player, watch film, put him on a whiteboard and see what his acumen for the game is.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm hoping he succeeds, if he succeeds he will be the 1st to score terrible on the S-2 and become a championship level QB. Think about this for a moment.

As far as the ol goes, Mills.dealt with it and played well as a rookie. (Welcome to Mills world) I expect the same from Stroud after week 4. You should expect this too. No lowered expectations.
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No.
Mills did not have the same poor protection.
And when I said protection, it includes other guys besides the Olinemen.

The Texans allowed 38 sacks last year.

Stroud was sacked 5 times.
X17 = 85
That's more than double last year.

And no, Mills did not see a 46% pressure rate last year.

You keep saying things that are blatant lies; you don’t have any credit left.

I only respond to you to show the lies you put out there.
 
Mr teX said:
Again i don't know if you can say that b/c he hasn't even gotten a full 16 under him yet & he's yet to face real regular season adversity. We as fans tend to think that improvement and greatness is linear. "Well went to the NFCCG last year, logically next year we'll be better and get to the SB right?" No not right. A whole helluva lot of things have to happen for a team/player to take the next step & its not guaranteed. This is what Bills fan & Bengal fan are finding out right now with Josh Allen & Joe Burrow.

So................The stark truth about Purdy right now is he plays in 1 of the most qb friendly systems there is, has 1 of the best playcallers in the NFL calling plays for him & 1 of the best defenses in the league backing him up if he screws the pooch. Life is good for him as a qb. That's all we can deduce right now. But how does that life/game look if say Trent Williams/Deebo Samuel goes down in midseason? What if that defense gets torn apart by FA and now he & this offense are put in position to have to score 30 pts a game to have a chance? Does his superior S2 score "predict" him to elevate his game even more & put the team on his shoulders? We don't know that...yet.
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Not to mention having a healthy McCaffrey.
That guy is more dangerous than a guy like Henry.
 
steelbtexan said:
Read the Atlantic article that was posted up thread. I think it's actually a genius way to market . It's like a golf course that has too many rounds played on it. You raise the price of the membership so less people play and this helps rejuvenate the course, while you are still making the same amount of money with less rounds of golf being played.
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Bryce Young scored 98, the highest of all the QBs.
Jake Haener 96.

Brock Purdy mid 90s

Three more guys scored higher than Richardson and Hooker.

Why the heck did you prefer these two guys over the others?
 
76Texan said:
Here's a list of the teams that use the S2 score.

https://thefootballusa.com/s2-cognition-test-scores-nfl

Tell me how many of them had been successful drafting a QB.
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Is that really an accurate list of teams using the test though?

I ask because there's recent video of one of the test's co-founders describing how they enjoy having 2 teams in each division and plan to keep it that way for the time being. But that list has only 15 teams total, 3 in the NFC South, and only 1 each in either of the North divisions.

The math ain't mathin'..
 
Mollywhopper said:
Is that really an accurate list of teams using the test though?

I ask because there's recent video of one of the test's co-founders describing how they enjoy having 2 teams in each division and plan to keep it that way for the time being. But that list has only 15 teams total, 3 in the NFC South, and only 1 each in either of the North divisions.

The math ain't mathin'..
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You mean it's all a secrecy?
 
76Texan said:
Well, let me rephrase the question.

How relevant is the S2 test?

Are there any firm conclusion that you can draw as to make its usage a good resource in your evaluation process?
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Absurd question. Neither you nor I own a team and neither of us use the test. So it has zero relevancy for us. For those who have purchased the test, it's relevancy varies between individuals. But in general, if selecting a qb, the choice being between two qbs, and everything else being equal, you may go with the one having.the higher score. The S2 is just a tool and its relevancy is no more or less than timing a players 40.
 
Number19 said:
Absurd question. Neither you nor I own a team and neither of us use the test. So it has zero relevancy for us. For those who have purchased the test, it's relevancy varies between individuals. But in general, if selecting a qb, the choice being between two qbs, and everything else being equal, you may go with the one having.the higher score. The S2 is just a tool and its relevancy is no more or less than timing a players 40.
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So the Bears used the S2, and they drafted Trubisky over who?
 
JB said:
How credible is the source? Never heard of them myself
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Never heard of it before I clicked on it from that link.

But I'd seen that same list of teams as the S2 clients on another vague site, that's why I'd already had the question in mind as to if it was legit.
 
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You would think that after 7 years of data and those teams being able to exclusively use this data to their advantage they they would ALL HAVE THEIR STAR FRANCHISE QB'S by now....but obviously that isnt the case.
And Tanner Mckee has the highest grade recorded...yet he was selected in the 6th round at pick 188...so whats that say about test grade and actual ability on the football field.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Never heard of it before I clicked on it from that link.

But I'd seen that same list of teams as the S2 clients on another vague site, that's why I'd already had the question in mind as to if it was legit.
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I found it a bit odd that Football USA didn't appear to have any writers from America
 
Mollywhopper said:
Never heard of it before I clicked on it from that link.

But I'd seen that same list of teams as the S2 clients on another vague site, that's why I'd already had the question in mind as to if it was legit.
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I watched this video partially; it's from 2022.
They mentioned a good working relationship with the Women's National Team...

And then they fell flat on their face in the recent world cup.

:hankpalm:
 
Mollywhopper said:
Post #2114 of this thread..
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Thanks for the link.
I had actually watched two thirds of that video, but for some reason, never finished it.
I'm going over it again now, and just want to throw a couple of things that I noticed out there.

1. They said they had tested Young continously since 10th grade.
Does it means Alabama is in on it, at least for Mac Jones also?

2. They said Brees always tested well.
Does that mean the Saints were in it for quite awhile now?
And if so, what did they do with all the QBs since Brees, including the one(s) they drafted like Ian Brook?
 
steelbtexan said:
They setup their marketing in a certain way that was pure genius. IMHO

7 yrs is a long time. They know exactly what they're doing and the test is valid. You say there's not enough data and the question I would ask you is how many yrs/how much data would you need before YOU would deem the S-2 a valid test?

NFL teams apparently disagree with you since they've subscribed to the service. They believe the S-2 is valid. Meanwhile an org like the Texans that are behind the times when it comes to data. They're stuck in the old times and that's why they picked Stroud.

Of course I was always on board with the cutting edge Luhnow style of analytics and performance type of management.
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So Anthony Richardson's test result was leaked and we now know the Colts have been using the S2 test.

How have it helped them.

More specifically, what have they done to address their QB situation since 2015?

They brougt in several veterans.
I bet they scored well on the S2.
Whoopie.

Then they drafted: Jacob Eason, Sam Elingher.

Not to mention they had the 15th pick in the 2017 draft that they could have used to move up for Mahomes.

Tell me, how the S2 test had helped the Colts?
 
steelbtexan said:
They setup their marketing in a certain way that was pure genius. IMHO

7 yrs is a long time. They know exactly what they're doing and the test is valid. You say there's not enough data and the question I would ask you is how many yrs/how much data would you need before YOU would deem the S-2 a valid test?

NFL teams apparently disagree with you since they've subscribed to the service. They believe the S-2 is valid. Meanwhile an org like the Texans that are behind the times when it comes to data. They're stuck in the old times and that's why they picked Stroud.

Of course I was always on board with the cutting edge Luhnow style of analytics and performance type of management.
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We also know that the Bears also used the S2 test.
Fields scored in the 97%.
Except you hate Ohio St. Qbs.
They're all trash to you.
How do you trust the S2 then?

Again, how did the S2 help the Bears?
They recycled through Cutler, Barkley with dismayed results.
Then they took Trubisky with the second pick, and then Fields.

Great job the S2 did for them.
 
steelbtexan said:
They setup their marketing in a certain way that was pure genius. IMHO

7 yrs is a long time. They know exactly what they're doing and the test is valid. You say there's not enough data and the question I would ask you is how many yrs/how much data would you need before YOU would deem the S-2 a valid test?

NFL teams apparently disagree with you since they've subscribed to the service. They believe the S-2 is valid. Meanwhile an org like the Texans that are behind the times when it comes to data. They're stuck in the old times and that's why they picked Stroud.

Of course I was always on board with the cutting edge Luhnow style of analytics and performance type of management.
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You rave about Brock Purdy S2, but what about Trey Lance and Bearhard?
 
Is Stroud another case of drafting a player with a known injury history? A history of rotator cuff or shoulder injury seems problematic for a quartback drafted so high.
 
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