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CJ Stroud year 2

mws said:
IMO Stroud was not waiting for Young to sign. He was waiting as long as he could before training camp started trying to get the best possible deal he could. That just seems like smart business to me. Young did essentially the same thing.

Young signed his contract on July 21 & reported to camp on July 22.
Stroud signed his contract on July 24 & reported to camp on July 25.

I really don't think Young or Stroud gave a damn when the other signed his contract.

Edit: Added 2 more signings.

Richardson signed his contract on July 24 & reported to camp on July 25.
Will Levis signed his contract on July 22 the same day he reported to camp.
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Sounds good to me. I just wonder what exactly was "better"

I don't know & I don't think it's been accurately reported what the hold up was.

The money is slotted. No negotiation needed. The bonus payment schedule was established in 2021 for the 2nd round pick. Young signing shouldn't have been a sticking point for the #3 or #4 picks in the 2023 draft.

But there was something, I wonder what constituted the "best deal" in relation to Young.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know & I don't think it's been accurately reported what the hold up was.
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How much guaranteed money or signing bonus payments. Offset language about trades, Any or all of these things were probably being negotiated up until the last minute, I doubt there was a specific sticking point.

I figure it was more like "I don't need to sign until right before camp so I may as well wait & see if I can squeeze even one more dollar out of them." The contract that he signed may have been one the Texans offered 2 weeks before.

I worked for AT&T for over 30 years & every 3 to 5 years we would have to sign a new labor contract. Probably 99.9% of them were signed at 11:59 when the current contract was about to expire at midnight. It's just basic negotiation tactics to never sign early unless somebody makes a huge concession with a time limit attached.
 
steelbtexan said:
There are people of all races that are dumb as boxes of rocks. I dont claim to be any smarter than the next guy. In fact there are many on this MB that are much smarter than I am. (Probably including yourself)
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You have done well with your life. As I understand your posts you are at the pinnacle of the disinfectant industry in Houston. Hard work, god, and family has served you well. From your status, however, shouldn’t you give a young 22 year old man support for just trying to be the face of an NFL football team in Houston? If he fails he can always aspire to be a Nigerian doctor Or maybe a QB coach at Clemson, right? Just because you No doubt think he is as dumb as a box of rocks let’s see what he can do. He and his children may surprise you.
 
Earl34 said:
Besides trolling purposes or your emotional trigger for certain people, I have no idea why you felt the need to add this to your post. Do you have that same trigger for Scott Boras who got as much money possible for Carlos Correa, Gerrit Cole and Dallas Keuchel to leave Houston?

I'm not a Mulugeta apologist and have no idea if he was raised in the inner city. I do know that he was born in Dallas to immigrants from Africa and that's enough of a trigger for you. :crazy:
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When I find out Boras ( who I don't like either) provides cover for a sexual predator, then I will refer to him as Scrub Borass.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
No sir I’m not . I’m not going to call out their freaking name.

And dude you’re the one on here making up ridiculous crap for people you don’t like.

My apologies Mods.
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I'm certainly not aware of anybody that didn't think Stroud wouldn't sign at some point.
 
rmartin65 said:
This (and below) certainly seems like criticism-



He didn't sign in the order you thought he should, and that is a "strike" for you. That is a criticism.


Ah, that wouldn't be a manufactured concern, but a real one.

There are things that are fair critiques of Stroud; his S2 score, his struggles when under pressure, the fact that he didn't win a championship in college, those are all football things that make sense to be wary of.

But things like him signing after Young (despite not missing any time), his father being in prison, him being from OSU, being the second QB taken in the top 10, none of that is football related.

Also- the quote button is your friend, not just the reply button.
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I don't think you can actually say he struggled under pressure as badly as some make it out to be because he didn't throw a lot of picks and he didn't take a lot of sacks. His accuracy suffered, as do most QBs. He didn't panic and hurt his team when under pressure. He threw the ball away and lived to play another down.
How many great NFL QBs never won a national championship in college? The list is long and distinguished.
 
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DocBar said:
I don't think you can actually say he struggled under pressure as badly as some make it out to be because he didn't throw a lot of picks and he didn't take a lot of sacks. His accuracy suffered, as do most QBs. He didn't panic and hurt his team when under pressure. He threw the ball away and lived to play another down.
How many great NFL QBs never won a national championship in college? The list is long and distinguished.
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Yeah but that Nintendo score, oh yeah and Mugaletta
 
Porky said:
He is very Trumpian. Use a bunch of word salad nonsense with a few key buzz words like David from the inner city and now you've got everyone talking. Great way to keep the country...er I mean...the board talking.
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I realize who David from the inner city is. How DB feels about Easterby is how I feel about David from the inner city.
 
Lucky said:
Stroud's agent got the best possible deal. Your assumption that draft picks would sign in a bottom up fashion was out of touch with reality. And somehow you think all of this reflects poorly on the agent?

Ever considered that your logic was out of touch on this?
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I'm glad he signed, cant wait for the offseason after yr 3.
 
Earl34 said:
IMHO and just off the top of my head. Similar to Young, Stroud got his signing bonus upfront. Mulugheta demonstrated to his current and future clients that he was able to get the same bonus structure as the #1 pick. The Texans show they can negotiate with Mulugheta without any acrimony and get their player in camp on time.

However, most importantly. Your concern for this nonissue has increased your post count and the number of references to Mulagheta on this forum.:runaway:
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I cant wait until David from the inner city pulls the same crao that he pulled with Derrick. Only then will Hannah get what she deserves and fans will begin to admit the truth.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Being a 1st round selection...does the team not have the 5th year option?? if any negotiation face offs happen would it not be in year 4 vs year3? (honest question)
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You don't want your hopefully star QB holding out or irritated as he asks for rich extension. QB usually has greater following in locker room than most others.
 
Texazan said:
Does Piggly Wigglys still exist in TX?
When we moved to AZ in 2002 there was still a few in the DFW/Metroplex area.
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Ive never seen a Piggly Wiggly but I hate the dfw area and avoid it as much as possible...raised in Houston and live in San Antonio now so we did Kroger and now HEB.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Ive never seen a Piggly Wiggly but I hate the dfw area and avoid it as much as possible...raised in Houston and live in San Antonio now so we did Kroger and now HEB.
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We had Piggly Wiggly's back in the day in Houston. The one I remember was shut down by the mid-70's, iirc. I think it was 43rd between Rosslyn and Donna Bell. I think.

I think there was a Piggly Wiggly in Flower Mound (in the DFW area) up until we left in 2015. We moved there around 2001 and that was like... what... the... actual... f.

I remember when we moved to LA in the early 90's and there were Der Wienerschnitzel's still there and it was that same strange feeling.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
We had Piggly Wiggly's back in the day in Houston. The one I remember was shut down by the mid-70's, iirc. I think it was 43rd between Rosslyn and Donna Bell. I think.

I think there was a Piggly Wiggly in Flower Mound (in the DFW area) up until we left in 2015. We moved there around 2001 and that was like... what... the... actual... f.

I remember when we moved to LA in the early 90's and there were Der Wienerschnitzel's still there and it was that same strange feeling.
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I spent my freshman year of high school at Marcus in flowermound, lived in Lewisville. They had a piggly wiggly in Lewisville, absolute dump of a grocery store.
 
JB said:
Still one in Bryan and supposedly one on hwy 6 at Westpark. A few in Corpus and El Paso, Beuamont, San Antonio and Austin
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If that one in Bryan is still there it was already old back in the 80’s when I was in grad school. That was go-to midnight study food big time. What the hell happened to Chicken Oil?
 
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Supporting cast
Nico Collins. Robert Woods. John Metchie. Tank Dell. Those are the likely top four receivers in Houston this season. It's not too dissimilar from the setup Young has in Carolina -- and both clubs traded away a formidable veteran in the wideout room.

It's not as good as the Panthers group. More question marks. Collins does have sneaky upside at 6-foot-4, 215-pounds with 4.45 speed and deceptive quicks for his size. Metchie, triumphantly returning from leukemia, was a big-play creator at Alabama, and Dell led all of college football with nearly 1,400 receiving yards in 2022. Woods isn't an explosive option yet one of the most crafty, blue-collar veterans at his position.

The offensive line could hold Stroud back. Laremy Tunsil is an elite left tackle. Shaq Mason can probably still play like a top 10 guard but turns 30 in August. There's uncertainty with the other three positions in the trenches, and interior pressure is incredibly agitating and damaging to every quarterback, specifically the young ones.

Improving his weaknesses
Stroud's not an escape artist. He doesn't have designed-run game athletic gifts. While he doesn't play with cement feet in the pocket, Stroud is about as stoic of a top-flight quarterback as we're going to see today. Stroud did throw 11 touchdowns to only one pick when roaming outside the pocket, but his completion rate was under 53% with a pedestrian 6.3 yards-per-attempt average in those scenarios in 2022 at Ohio State.

Stroud won't suddenly be an improvisational wizard in the NFL. No, not with the size, length, and explosiveness featured on every single professional defense. So he can't simply "improve" in that area in his first season with the Texans. Naturally, he can work around his weaknesses by sharpening his already refined processing skills, which will lead to him getting the ball out quicker than he did in college. Believe it or not, Stroud had an average time to throw of 2.77 seconds last year, one of the slower rates in among full-time starters at the Division 1 ranks. That time must go down in his rookie campaign.

Strengthening his strengths
Stroud's precision and calm acknowledgement that sometimes the needed throw is the most difficult one are the most glaring strengths to his game. His Big-Time Throw rate of 7.0% was the highest in the 2023 draft class, which built upon an already strong, higher than Young 5.9% rate in 2021.

Stroud needs to let it rip. The miscommunications will be there. So will the incorrect coverage identifications. And the interceptions will happen. But those are all part of the learning process in the NFL. Also, if Stroud sustains his aggressive passing mentality, the confidence-building, game-shifting, wow throws will occur.

Season outlook
Stroud is in a familiar situation for many young passers. He has the inherent talent to become a franchise-altering quarterback, but Year 1 he is going to battle through struggles because of the team around him, particularly early. The Texans roster is noticeably better from where it was a season ago, yet it's still one of the least-imposing lineups in football.

The run game should be sneaky good -- with Kyle Shanahan mentee Bobby Slowik calling the plays and Dameon Pierce and Devin Singletary toting the rock. If Stroud is asked to really lean on the ground game while not taking many chances, he could settle into a nice game-manager type role on a, at times, competitive team. My guess is Stroud's natural affinity to sling the ball all over the yard will lead to him making a few mistakes each outing. He'll flash down the stretch and give Houston reason to believe he is the long-term answer given his ball-placement specialty.
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Say what you want about Stroud, he's our QB now. And even though I didn't want him, I'm hoping I end up wrong. I'm pretty sure Stroud has all the tools necessary to get us where we need to be. Now, he's just going to have to do it.

At least we didn't end up with the midget. :)
 
I’ll stand by what I said early in the process. Young is the best QB in this class, but Stroud will also be good. I had them close, but Young slightly ahead. I’m interested to follow both of their careers.
 
Dejaview said:
If that one in Bryan is still there it was already old back in the 80’s when I was in grad school. That was go-to midnight study food big time. What the hell happened to Chicken Oil?
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It was supposed to be opening back up this summer. At least the last time we were up there in the Spring.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
his mouthings many moons ago.
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