Kaiser Toro
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ComstockLode said:
Our entire defense stunk last year. So there were either a ton of draft mistakes by the Texans and from past teams or they were the coached by the worst DC in the history of football.
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Our entire defense stunk last year. So there were either a ton of draft mistakes by the Texans and from past teams or they were the coached by the worst DC in the history of football.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Kaiser Toro said:
You mind looking at the talent of the defense as well.
Dunta Robinson is the only above average player in the secondary. Our safeties may be the two worst starting safeties in the league, and our second corner situation looks bad again.
We dont have a middle linebacker this year, and our best returning LB is an average one. We at least drafted to try and fill in one of the spots, but Demeco doesnt address the issue we have at MLB. We have decent DT's, and our Defensive ends have tons of potential. Although, I do not think peek or babin will be an answer.
And this is including what we added this year, and we still arent really bursting at the seams with talent on that side of the ball.
And really none of this has anything to do with the topic so I will get back to it. I love college football and I love the recruiting side of it as well. I pay for a subscription to rivals, and I frequent many message boards and news sites for college teams. The personal/attitude problems of this player is part of his package. If we were basing how he will do in the NFL just on physical talent, he would be a great player. But players like jerry rice and joe montana would be bench warmers.
Drafting players based on physical abilities alone is stupid.
Trust me, we are better off chalking this up as another mistake from the last regime and moving on. Any production from this guy will be a bonus.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
F-minus67 said:
Please show me this list where he is second or third all time.
Or is that one of those cases where 57% of all statistics are made up.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
ComstockLode said:
Trust me we are better off with a new staff, a change to a 4-3 and a significant investment on the defensive side of the ball. All things point to putting our guys into position to do what they do best, leverage stregths and disguise weaknesses.
I know many love the centerfold spread of TJ as it makes their inner Longhorn GM smile, but we are talking about practice.
Perception is always reality in the preseason in my opinion and it should give the young man the impetus to get it going. He is still of immense value even if he comes off the bench. Moreover, depth on the DL is incredibly important especially against the Colts.
GP
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Kaiser Toro said:Trust me we are better off with a new staff, a change to a 4-3 and a significant investment on the defensive side of the ball. All things point to putting our guys into position to do what they do best, leverage stregths and disguise weaknesses.
I know many love the centerfold spread of TJ as it makes their inner Longhorn GM smile, but we are talking about practice.
How are we going to disguise our entire defense? Because while I am very willing to be optimistic about our chances at improvement on the offensive side of the ball, I am slowly growing more concerned about the defense that comstocklode is also choosing to heckle.
The front four is head and shoulders better than the remaining 7 defenders we put on the field (minus Dunta, of course)...and we are probably going to improve against the run, IMO, and we'll probably see teams employ a spread offense like the Colts utilize. We are going to see teams rip the disguise right off our defense when they figure out they can three-step-drop and pop the ball to their receivers because our LBs and backfield are second-rate compared to most other NFL teams.
Offense was improved this offseason, but the TJ pick is becoming a glaring problem for me.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Disguise admittedly was not the optimal word, but referring to putting players in posiition to fail such as Fangio's D did to many of our players. Whether it be Babin, Peek, TJ or Buchanon these players were brought into a defense where they played a different position prior or played the position, as the defensive plan asked of them, in a way that was out of there comfort zone and were consequently exposed.
F-minus67
Veteran
Someone beat me to it, but here some more about TJ's records:
I got this off the main texans site
...totaled 175 career tackles with four fumble recoveries, 43.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and 31 quarterback pressures finished third in Florida St. history in tackles for loss
started all 12 games at left defensive tackle and was an all-ACC first-team choice after recording 50 tackles with 2.5 sacks, 18 tackles for loss and 12 quarterback pressures only Alonzo Jackson (18.5 in 2002) and Darnell Dockett (22 in 2001) had more tackles for loss in a season for the Seminoles
So maybe he has some skills that weren't used last year.
I got this off the main texans site
...totaled 175 career tackles with four fumble recoveries, 43.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and 31 quarterback pressures finished third in Florida St. history in tackles for loss
started all 12 games at left defensive tackle and was an all-ACC first-team choice after recording 50 tackles with 2.5 sacks, 18 tackles for loss and 12 quarterback pressures only Alonzo Jackson (18.5 in 2002) and Darnell Dockett (22 in 2001) had more tackles for loss in a season for the Seminoles
So maybe he has some skills that weren't used last year.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
F-minus67 said:
And I introduce you to Marcus Spears ladies and gentlemen....a man without attitude problems and a better resume. Not to mention no rape charges or ADD.
"2004: Spears put together a career year as a senior, earning first-team All-America honors from the Walter Camp Foundation and American Football coaches Association, second-team All-America honors from Sports Illustrated, first-team All-SEC honors and was a semifinalist for the Bednarik Award (nation's top defensive player), Lott Trophy (courage) and Lombardi Award (nation's top lineman). He finished the year tying his career-high in tackles (49) while setting career-highs for tackles for losses (17) and sacks (nine - a figure that ranks fourth in LSU single-season annals). He also recorded 21 quarterback pressures to help the Tigers finish the year third in the country in total defense. Over the final five games of the season, Spears contributed 14 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and eight sacks."
"2003: During LSU's magical national championship season, Spears contributed 49 tackles, 23 quarterback pressures, 13 stops for losses, six sacks and six passes defensed to earn first-team All-SEC honors. laying against Oklahoma for the national championship in the Sugar Bowl, Spears totaled two tackles, a sack, a tackle for a loss and an interception he returned 20 yards for a touchdown to give the Tigers a 21-7 third quarter advantage in their eventual 21-14 victory."
And dont get me started on how DJ wouldve helped this team, that way you guys can spare me the homer pick.
Marcus spears was by far a better player out of college and will by far be a better pro player.
Kaiser Toro
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ComstockLode said:
Yes the results are in. We have one year's worth of data where each played different positions within the 3-4 and even with TJ's fat butt, ADD, being lazy, having an attitude problem and a suppossed rapist he did pretty good statisically against All-World Spears in one less game:
TJ http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/413936
MS http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552645
Since you yelled rape smell the truth - http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20030824/football/121480.html
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Kaiser Toro said:
Check the OLB's stats to his side and compare, since we are talking 3-4
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
That's fine, if that's your opinion..... then just say it is your opinion. If you feel that these things indicate that he is a fat slob, then fine..... say that.
Alls I'm saying, is the coaches have not said one word about his weight.... In fact, they say physically, he is still a 1st round prospect.
This thread was started in reference to a Chronicle(sp) article which the above quote is from. I'm just not seeing were this attitude of TJ is coming from. If it is from some other article, that hasn't been brought up in this thread, please show me.
I'm not saying you are wrong about TJ...... I'm just saying I don't know where you (and others) are getting this from.
ComstockLode said:
I only know Glover & Spears....... Glover, because I watch New Orleans, & the Cowboys...... they cut him you know....
Spears......... What is it about Spears game that made him better than TJ??
TJ's stats were just as good as those guys, and TJ was on a much worse team.
TJ 1 sack...... Spears 1.5 sacks...... Glover only played 2 games..... Wilfork 2 sacks..... Hampton 1 sack...
TJ 23 tackles 3 assists..... Spears 19 tackles, 12 assists... Glover only played 2 games.... Wilfork 27 tackles 15 assists...... Hampton 9 tackles 13 assists..
Only Wilfork really outshines him. Just imagine what TJ will do with some real coaches.
ComstockLode said:
Yeah..... Spears looked like the no brainer pick @ DT..... I don't know what happened their.....
But his first year with the Cowboys wasn't really all that.. I was much more impressed with what Chris Canty was able to do off the bench....
23 tackles 12 assists & 2.5 sacks...... This fella is 6'7" & 295 pounds of "uh-oh I think we're in trouble now"
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
thunderkyss said:
While we are giving disclosures I wanted Spears if we went DL as well, but was not willing to burn the place down nor do I have regrets, just concerns, at this moment.
ComstockLode said:
I'm obviously looking at something wrong.
Texans' depth chart
Cowboy's depth chart
Shante Orr had 50 tackles..... 7 sacks. Demarcus Ware had 58 tackles & 8 sacks.....
DaShon Polk had 93 tackles 3.5 sacks..... Scott Shanle had 45 tackles & 1.5 sacks.......
it's hard to say how many snaps were taken..... or when did each player get those stats compared to when TJ or Spears played..... Dallas rotated those DL men as much as any team, where you can't really say who was & who was not a starter.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
TJ's not fat, he just needs to lose that baby fat.
Am I looking at the wrong artice? From what I see, the problem is that TJ is following the rules and not going all-out in OTAs. Anyone that goes all-out is breaking OTA rules.
Am I looking at the wrong artice? From what I see, the problem is that TJ is following the rules and not going all-out in OTAs. Anyone that goes all-out is breaking OTA rules.
Smokedawg
Waterboy
I think the main reason Spear's numbers weren't good in Dallas is because he was hurt with and akle or something. His seniors number at LSU would have been better but he torn or strained a muscle in his chest or arm i can't remember> Spears was a DE at LSU 6'4" 280 or lighter.
classy cheap shot at an ex player.
course it's no wonder why YOU would not like Gary and his attitude after he chewed on David's rump on the field last year right after a game. If David showed half the fire on the field that Gary did last year we would not have been 2-14 last year, IMHO.
TJ is a tackle. they don't tend to be ballarina sized football players. I don't see that much harm in his 'gut', just his brain, from reading the article.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Let me quote myself, from previously in this thread:
TJ will be gone by the end of this season if that guy does not do some serious soul searching and comes up with a new will that he has never had nor displayed to this point. Bet on it.
At this point, it is about TJ and his mindset. The reason why the coaching staff "gives Carr a free pass" and TJ is on the practice squad has everything to do with mindset. Never mind how a QB's success is more closely intertwined to his teammates and playcalling ... never mind that Carr has put up decent QB numbers to Travis Johnson's 1 sack ... we've been up and down that river a thousand times. I hope that TJ turns it around as much as anyone, but hey, might as well accept that I'm more likely to be a millionaire this time next year than TJ is a Texan.
jerek said:
TJ will be gone by the end of this season if that guy does not do some serious soul searching and comes up with a new will that he has never had nor displayed to this point. Bet on it.
At this point, it is about TJ and his mindset. The reason why the coaching staff "gives Carr a free pass" and TJ is on the practice squad has everything to do with mindset. Never mind how a QB's success is more closely intertwined to his teammates and playcalling ... never mind that Carr has put up decent QB numbers to Travis Johnson's 1 sack ... we've been up and down that river a thousand times. I hope that TJ turns it around as much as anyone, but hey, might as well accept that I'm more likely to be a millionaire this time next year than TJ is a Texan.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
John Wayne went to USC, like Will FerrellTEXANRED said:
Will Ferrell used to be on Saturday night live
Kevin Bacon hosted SNL
ehh?
GP
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Lucky said:
John Wayne and Robert Wagner starred in The Longest Day.
Robert Wagner and Kevin Bacon starred in Wild Things.
As the game "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" goes, you can link any actor or actress to Kevin Bacon in six movies or less. It's science, so don't even try to prove it wrong.
CoastalTexan
Waterboy
I've heard that everyone on Earth is separated by 7 degrees.
michaelm
vox nihili
gpshafer_1976 said:
The Oracle of Bacon at Virginia:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/
just type any name into the text box...
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real
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michaelm said:
That is crazy.... I put in Brett Favre and they had a connection....
GP
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I went Kevin Bacon on this thread because this thread is done.
We've gone everywhere else with this thread, such as "the race card" and the ever-popular event of dragging David Carr into the debate. So, I figured we might as well go full-tilt circus act and completely blow the doors off this thread.
And, as usual, the thread is finally taking a turn for the merrier with people losing interest. Works every time...
We've gone everywhere else with this thread, such as "the race card" and the ever-popular event of dragging David Carr into the debate. So, I figured we might as well go full-tilt circus act and completely blow the doors off this thread.
And, as usual, the thread is finally taking a turn for the merrier with people losing interest. Works every time...
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
gpshafer_1976 said:I went Kevin Bacon on this thread because this thread is done.
We've gone everywhere else with this thread, such as "the race card" and the ever-popular event of dragging David Carr into the debate. So, I figured we might as well go full-tilt circus act and completely blow the doors off this thread.
And, as usual, the thread is finally taking a turn for the merrier with people losing interest. Works every time...
I don't get it. So are you saying Travis Johnson isn't related to David Carr?
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