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Chronic: The scoop on Travis Johnson

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[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
TJ is one fat slob! Idoit can't get in shape after the millions he is getting. Now he is practicing on the 3rd team behind some guy. Guy is busting all over the place. Literally.....
Jesus Trav, u are one big loser! Dont hate on this post cause it is true!
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Dang Coach Kubes, you're a real hard ass. But you know what, I gotta agree with you.
Young man got all that money, doing what he'd do if he were flat broke, and
this is how he shows his gratitude to the organization that gave him this
great opportunity and all those greenbacks. Not to mention his total lack of interest in doing the right thing for his teammates.
 
This article could be either the best thing to happen to him or the worst. Maybe a family member or friend will call and ask what is up and out of pride he will do what it takes, or maybe he will be discouraged and do nothing. I hope for the first.

"to give himself permission" Is interesting. The practices are voluntary and they aren't wearing pads because the NFL won't allow it. I can see some players taking it easy because they are afraid of being hurt. I think Kubiak's coaching staff wants to see what these guys are really made of. BTW he has to give himself persmission because of NFL rules, the coach can't make him "go hard" until training camp.
 
Lucky said:
From the Chronic article linked:

Still, it is May. They aren't wearing pads. A Seth Wand will always look better when it isn't live. Conversely, some guys aren't going to look as good until the pads go on.

I'm not giving TJ a pass. He needs to lose about 20 pounds of goo if he wants to see the field. Just that we may give too much credence to these spring camps.
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I took that quote (and its context) to indicate that TJ wasn't providing complete effort, ostensibly because in his perception, "it's May" (only training camp). E.g. the Allen Iverson school of player development theory: "it's just practice, man." More a criticism of his lack of effort than any other point intended, IMO. I know that yes, "it's only spring camps," and that the so called workout-warriors that shine in practice will not necessarily shine in games this year. Still ... I have to put tremendous value in (and I hope you do too) the value of live training exercises as the indication of both effort and skill that will show forth when the real thing comes around.
 
jerek said:
I took that quote (and its context) to indicate that TJ wasn't providing complete effort, ostensibly because in his perception, "it's May" (only training camp). E.g. the Allen Iverson school of player development theory: "it's just practice, man." More a criticism of his lack of effort than any other point intended, IMO.
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Easily my favorite interview in the last decade. Practice is so nice, he had to say it twice. Well maybe twice multiplied by 50.

Iverson: "If I can't practice, I can't practice. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about practice. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Easily my favorite interview in the last decade. Practice is so nice, he had to say it twice. Well maybe twice multiplied by 50.

Iverson: "If I can't practice, I can't practice. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about practice. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?
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I love it. Iverson had serious game in his time. Too bad he could never get past himself. To his credit, he struggled under bad coaching and GMs at times, but ultimately Allen Iverson was Allen Iverson's worst opponent. It has been proven time and time again that right practice habits are essential to development of virtually any skill we could ever hope to acquire or improve. Military, sport, industry ... book after book has been written on application of correct training principles. Too bad that some of our brightest athletes never "get it." Or in TJ's case, our "pretty good" athlete ... I have heard it straight from the mouths of the coaching staff and player development personnel. TJ is fundamentally unmotivated and until he finds the will within himself, he will never be more than an also-ran, for this or any other team.
 
jerek said:
.. I have to put tremendous value in (and I hope you do too) the value of live training exercises as the indication of both effort and skill that will show forth when the real thing comes around.
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Well, maybe. Some players are going to look much better when they know there won't be full contact. When the play is live, some of their bad habits re-emerge. And some players get that extra kick of adrenaline when it's for real, and make plays you didn't see them make during run-throughs.

I'm not saying the Texans are wasting their time, not at all. Just that the "results" of these practices aren't as cut & dried as some make it out to be. Johnson deserves criticism for being out of shape (that's what I think the coach was saying with "fleshy part of the body"). But, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that he's a bust, either. It's May.
 
hate to see him struggling.. I hope he pulls it out.

If he doesnt get back on track before the season starts..I hope we find a spot for him on the roster. I guarantee if we cut him he will be picked up within a day by someone else. Its too early to cut a 1st round draft pick.. at least for "being immature and overweight". THose are temporary conditions.
 
Hopefully he has just been too used to the way things were when he got to the team. Apparently he has not figured it out that things are not as they were. I sure hope that he is not going to be a smoked out bust, but he seems like he is heading in that direction.
 
Grid said:
hate to see him struggling.. I hope he pulls it out.

If he doesnt get back on track before the season starts..I hope we find a spot for him on the roster. I guarantee if we cut him he will be picked up within a day by someone else. Its too early to cut a 1st round draft pick.. at least for "being immature and overweight". THose are temporary conditions.
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Not to argue the fine print, but I doubt he is the league commodity you are making him out to be. Sure, we could find a sucker taker, somewhere out there ... just like Oakland found a sucker taker for P-Buc.

Not trying to make a really big deal out of this. I do not lay awake at night worrying about Travis Johnson being a Texan. I've met the guy on several occasions and he's never done me any wrong. I too sincerely hope that TJ finds his will to give this his all, and improves and lives up to the old regime's billing and draft position. I too have a ton of faith in our new coaching staff as teachers and motivators, and yes, the guy is young, let's not act as if NFL players are supposed to have everything figured out at the age of 23.

I am merely reporting what I have heard directly from the team, and what my own eyes easily verify ... the kid is not with it right now. Never was at Florida State either, where he cruised on athletic talent and occasional bouts of rage that are no longer going to cut it at this level. At some point a guy either grows up or he doesn't, and coming into his second year in the NFL, he still giving us no real sign of doing so. I too hope for the best, but I'm not holding my breath on him living up to it at this moment.
 
I don't get the whole mental slacking aspect for a PROFESSIONAL football player.

He had 9,640,000 REA$ON$ to get his act together last season.

This is just pathetic. He's got no excuses.
 
jerek said:
Not to argue the fine print, but I doubt he is the league commodity you are making him out to be. Sure, we could find a sucker taker, somewhere out there ... just like Oakland found a sucker taker for P-Buc.

Not trying to make a really big deal out of this. I do not lay awake at night worrying about Travis Johnson being a Texan. I've met the guy on several occasions and he's never done me any wrong. I too sincerely hope that TJ finds his will to give this his all, and improves and lives up to the old regime's billing and draft position. I too have a ton of faith in our new coaching staff as teachers and motivators, and yes, the guy is young, let's not act as if NFL players are supposed to have everything figured out at the age of 23.

I am merely reporting what I have heard directly from the team, and what my own eyes easily verify ... the kid is not with it right now. Never was at Florida State either, where he cruised on athletic talent and occasional bouts of rage that are no longer going to cut it at this level. At some point a guy either grows up or he doesn't, and coming into his second year in the NFL, he still giving us no real sign of doing so. I too hope for the best, but I'm not holding my breath on him living up to it at this moment.
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I said I hope we dont CUT him. If Pbuch had been cut, instead of traded, he would have been picked up by someone 2 seconds later.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't get the whole mental slacking aspect for a PROFESSIONAL football player.

He had 9,640,000 REA$ON$ to get his act together last season.

This is just pathetic. He's got no excuses.
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Unfortunately, it's hardly unique. Unfortunately, him eventually being unemployed for it won't be unique either.
 
Lucky said:
Just that the "results" of these practices aren't as cut & dried as some make it out to be. Johnson deserves criticism for being out of shape (that's what I think the coach was saying with "fleshy part of the body"). But, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that he's a bust, either. It's May.
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The thing about these practices is that its a "first impressions" thing with the
new HC and his whole coaching staff, a chance to get acquainted with the new boss. Every player would be well advised to take full advantage of this opportunity, if not you might end up in the new boss's dog house, aka the
3rd string on the depth chart.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
are you f'n kidding!!!?? Look at that photo man.... I mean WT* TJ!!!! :hunter:
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No, I'm not kidding. I've seen some very talented folks throw away opportunity because they didn't realize what the costs are of being great. Some actually "get it" before its too late, others don't. Hopefully, TJ sees in this brief exposure to talented vets, that he can't just go through the motions and get PT...he has to earn it.
 
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Get into my belly!
 
jerek said:
I love it. Iverson had serious game in his time. Too bad he could never get past himself. To his credit, he struggled under bad coaching and GMs at times, but ultimately Allen Iverson was Allen Iverson's worst opponent. It has been proven time and time again that right practice habits are essential to development of virtually any skill we could ever hope to acquire or improve. Military, sport, industry ... book after book has been written on application of correct training principles. Too bad that some of our brightest athletes never "get it." Or in TJ's case, our "pretty good" athlete ... I have heard it straight from the mouths of the coaching staff and player development personnel. TJ is fundamentally unmotivated and until he finds the will within himself, he will never be more than an also-ran, for this or any other team.
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I don't know exactly how you look at the situation......... all the angles and everything. But where AI is concerned, I think you and a bunch of folks got this all wrong.. Allen Iverson didn't need to practice. He's got game, mad game. & he gives 150% every night.

The problem with that situation, is that his team needed to practice with him, if they were to ever win a Championship. There's no way Allen Iverson & the 76ers were going to go the distance..... It's got to be the 76ers.....

Allen Iverson didn't need the practice.
 
Vinny said:
Obviously he did...since he has never won jack. A poor attitude rubs off on others.
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didn't he win the scoring title??

It didn't matter who he was playing with, or who he was playing against, he was going to put up 30 points a night. He didn't have a problem finding his place in the offense. He didn't have a problem adding value on defense. He earned his spot as a starter night in, night out.

the problem, was the team wasn't getting involved....... as much as they should.....

I contribute that directly with him not practicing with the team, & that's why I say the team needed him to practice more than he did.
 
thunderkyss said:
didn't he win the scoring title??

It didn't matter who he was playing with, or who he was playing against, he was going to put up 30 points a night. He didn't have a problem finding his place in the offense. He didn't have a problem adding value on defense. He earned his spot as a starter night in, night out.

the problem, was the team wasn't getting involved....... as much as they should.....

I contribute that directly with him not practicing with the team, & that's why I say the team needed him to practice more than he did.
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Yes and no. Basketball is obviously a team sport and thus, as you correctly pointed out, in order to build the kind of team chemistry that is necessary to succeed under pressure in games, it is important that the team practices together and practices rightly in order to build those instincts and skills.

AI, in and of himself, was a great player and yes, he gave it his all in games. But ... Michael Jordan, the game's greatest player, was absolutely famous for the way he approached practice. Every minute of every practice was a war and he got in his teammates' asses if they didn't show up to put up just like he did. Was Michael Jordan just a ****? Did he have it wrong?

Jordan won more scoring titles than AI and six championships, last I knew. As the game's greatest and most prolific player, he personifies the absolute arsenal of literature and research that demonstrates that people will consistently perform to the level they consistently practice.

Travis Johnson possesses a fraction of the talent of an AI any way, so it's not like we're talking a Randy Moss here. Speaking of ... exhibit A in the importance of right mental attitude and practice habits. Practice is important not only because it gets you on the same page as your teammates, but if you are going about it the right way, it will truly prepare you to perform at your highest level, not only throughout the course of a "routine" game, but when the moment demands it. Check out Jordan's autobiography if you are interested ... I can't remember the title offhand, but I can try to find it when I get home and bring out some relevant quotes here.
 
El Tejano said:
He is the point guard and his team isn't involved? Wow!!! You don't need to say more than that.
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Are you sure?? I thought he was the 2 guard.........


Now..... does anyone think AI would have gotten any better by practicing?? would he have scored more?? He might have got a few more assists, but he wasn't a slouch in assists to begin with.

The rest of the team would have been better.... they would've been harder to beat...... I don't deny any of that.... They would have won at least one championship by now......

But Allen Iverson would not have played any better, or any harder than he already does......

heck, he might get hurt more, if he practiced more.........
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Compare this guy against Mario Williams, or even Domanick Davis in terms of personality.

TJ, from the very first time I saw him on a TV camera (arriving into Houston, for example) just had a weird countenance about him.

I would call it "brooding," meaning that he looked to be a very solemn and almost depressed-looking man. I saw burts of emotion, such as when he got the call on draft day and the TV camera showed his reaction...but outside of that, it seems to me that he does not have the outgoing and bright-faced attitude of most players today.

Now he's spiraled into Anna Nicole Smith territory...and I just think he's got emotional/mental issues. Call it an inferiority complex, or even depression, but something is out of whack with TJ.

How do you let yourself go, like he did? How do you get drafted in the first round and allow this to happen? Maybe it was a guy just feeling lost in the midst of a sinking coaching staff...had to be tough for those guys, espcially the ones drafted right before the big implosion of the 2005 season.

I'm more worried about his state-of-mind right now more than I am worried about his performance. Guy's gotta' get his head right, and for a lot more than playing the game. Think Barrett Robbins.
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Come on now. This post is a bit much.

I would hate for someone to judge me based on short TV appearances and a media report here and there.

I don't have any idea of what sort of player TJ is going to be this year, and obviously they are lighting a fire under him, but geez, there is speculation and then there is taking a flying leap into silly.

I've told this story before on the MB but I will again because this thread has swung wildly out of control. Last year, I was gonna try to get a Battle Red ballcap signed by some players before a Texans event. It was for a big Texans fan who had cancer and was fixing to lose her hair and was really afraid.

The first player I ran into was Travis Johnson. He couldn't have been any more polite and kind and chatty and positive. A very big personality--one of the most "bright-faced" Texans players I've talked to.

He wrote a inspirational note on the hat for her. He made a point of taking me to where all the other players were hanging out, told them the situation and made a point to ask them to all sign the hat.

She wore that hat all throughout her chemotherapy and hung it above her hospital bed at night. It still means a ton to her. It symbolizes to keep fighting even when things are hard and painful. She jokes that 2006 is gonna be a better year for both her and the Texans.

He could have just signed tha hat and been on his way but he went the extra mile and I will always appreciate that.

I don't know what sort of season TJ is going to have or truly what sort of person he is from the short interaction I had with him, but what I do know is that it is unfair to peg him as sullen based on watching him on the TV.

I truly hope for the best for him--if he has the physical tools, he still has some time to get the rest of it together.
 
Two different sports altogether, but outside of the dead sport known as baseball, there is a certain flow that a unit can only achieve via time together. People are different and how they move is different, getting five guys to move in concert in a finite space and time while being defended is not as easy as some would like to portray.

Cuts, angles, rotations are all extremely important for any offense and in fact carry defensive implications on the transition from O to D.

Iverson is a warrior, but I would rather have him on the playground to keep the court than in the arena to have chance at winning the championship.

But heck man, we're talking about practice still.
 
thunderkyss said:
Are you sure?? I thought he was the 2 guard.........


Now..... does anyone think AI would have gotten any better by practicing?? would he have scored more?? He might have got a few more assists, but he wasn't a slouch in assists to begin with.

The rest of the team would have been better.... they would've been harder to beat...... I don't deny any of that.... They would have won at least one championship by now......

But Allen Iverson would not have played any better, or any harder than he already does......

heck, he might get hurt more, if he practiced more.........
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This is the major problem with NBA. So many think that because an individual is great, he doesn't need to do what it takes to win. If he scores 30 a game, nothing else matters. Maybe if AI practiced better, his team would have won a championship. Doesn't that mean he should have practiced better? Maybe he'd be a better player scoring 27/game and getting 10 more per game from others on the TEAM. Maybe he could have learned how to make his team better at practice.

I hope none of the Texans put stats ahead of team.
 
And who wouldve thought that he would act and perform just like he did in college. He came into FSU as the number 1 DT in the nation, and he left their with almost no production to hang his hat on. He had attitude, effort, and weight problems at FSU. Why oh why would you think that in the NFL with millions of dollars guarenteed would that change.

Casserly is an idiot.

Not only for passing on DJ, but for not even drafting the best DT on the board at the time. Marcus Spears.
 
ComstockLode said:
And who wouldve thought that he would act and perform just like he did in college. He came into FSU as the number 1 DT in the nation, and he left their with almost no production to hand his hat on. He had attitude, effort, and weight problems at FSU. Why oh why would you think that in the NFL with millions of dollars guarenteed would that change.

Casserly is an idiot.

Not only for passing on DJ, but for not even drafting the best DT on the board at the time. Marcus Spears.
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Is this a DJ rant? Spears is a DE, unless they are moving him to NT.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Come on now. This post is a bit much.

I would hate for someone to judge me based on short TV appearances and a media report here and there.

I don't have any idea of what sort of player TJ is going to be this year, and obviously they are lighting a fire under him, but geez, there is speculation and then there is taking a flying leap into silly.

I've told this story before on the MB but I will again because this thread has swung wildly out of control. Last year, I was gonna try to get a Battle Red ballcap signed by some players before a Texans event. It was for a big Texans fan who had cancer and was fixing to lose her hair and was really afraid.

The first player I ran into was Travis Johnson. He couldn't have been any more polite and kind and chatty and positive. A very big personality--one of the most "bright-faced" Texans players I've talked to.

He wrote a inspirational note on the hat for her. He made a point of taking me to where all the other players were hanging out, told them the situation and made a point to ask them to all sign the hat.

She wore that hat all throughout her chemotherapy and hung it above her hospital bed at night. It still means a ton to her. It symbolizes to keep fighting even when things are hard and painful. She jokes that 2006 is gonna be a better year for both her and the Texans.

He could have just signed tha hat and been on his way but he went the extra mile and I will always appreciate that.

I don't know what sort of season TJ is going to have or truly what sort of person he is from the short interaction I had with him, but what I do know is that it is unfair to peg him as sullen based on watching him on the TV.

I truly hope for the best for him--if he has the physical tools, he still has some time to get the rest of it together.
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Wow TChick...great post! Perfect example of what people are missing who don't read this board. Thanks and I hope that '06 is better for both your friend and the Texans after all.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Is this a DJ rant? Spears is a DE, unless they are moving him to NT.
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Spears is a DT in the 4-3 and a DE in the 3-4. Same as TJ.

This is a rant of how stupid of a pick this was. Jason Babin thinks the pick was stupid and a waste.
 
thunderkyss said:
Allen Iverson didn't need the practice.
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MJ, arguably the greatest b-ball player ever, practiced religiously.

If the greatest of the greats had to practice to keep his performance up to level, then everyone else definitely needs to practice.

TJ will be facing o-linemen that are motivated and don't slack. The only way he'll be able to compete is to be driven.

And this is where mental slacking comes into play. If you are not driven to at least strive for excellence, no amount of physical gift(s) will cut it on their own in the NFL.

I am amazed that this thread is even taking place for a first round draft pick making around $10 million a year!
 
ComstockLode said:
Spear is a DT in the 4-3 and a DE in the 3-4. Same as TJ.

This is a rant of how stupid of a pick this was. Jason Babin thinks the pick was stupid.
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Well if Jason Babin thinks so, then by golly, that is good enough for me.
 
Texans Chick:

That's a great story.

But the problem I have is the inconsistency of TJ, not just in his performance on the field but moreso in his off-field behavior.

Granted, it's not as serious as Earl Campbell's disorder...nor as bad as Ricky Williams' problems. But nonetheless, you can't chalk this up to the run-of-the-mill "big lineman got fat in the offseason and then reports to camp and is told to lose a bunch of weight."

This is a lifestyle issue that the Texans scouting department must have missed when they evaluated him. To me, just as in your story about your friend, the guy seems to be able to flip the switch and act right when it's called for...then go back into his shell and hide out for awhile.

With a lot of our players, whether it's a first rounder like Mario or a late rounder like Domanick Davis, you just always got a sense (when you watched them on the field and off) that they were comfortable in their own skin, that they knew who they were, that they were able to respond to the call. You feel that most of them have a purpose within themselves and they take measured steps to carry it out.

I see a guy who trots on most plays, shaves his head into a mohawk, dotes on Deacon Jones and fantasizes about being like him. I see a guy who sees a thousand feet in front of him and can't seem to take the first step that he should take to get there.

That's all I am saying. Not bagging on him. Actually, I'm concerned for him because he came into a bad situation with it being the year of the Titanic around this organization. Easy to get a little disillusioned, a little jaded, when you're brought in by one head coach and then Whammo! now you're under Captain Fantastic all of a sudden. I want him to get some grace, but at the same time, this could spiral downward reallllllly quickly.

That's all.
 
Runner said:
This is the major problem with NBA. So many think that because an individual is great, he doesn't need to do what it takes to win. If he scores 30 a game, nothing else matters. Maybe if AI practiced better, his team would have won a championship. Doesn't that mean he should have practiced better? Maybe he'd be a better player scoring 27/game and getting 10 more per game from others on the TEAM. Maybe he could have learned how to make his team better at practice.

I hope none of the Texans put stats ahead of team.
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Don't misunderstand me. I think whatever coach that can't explain to Allen Iverson why he needs to be in practice, doesn't need to be an NBA coach. And folks arguing with me....... are flat out Allen Iverson haters.

He would not be a better player..... there is no way he can get any better. He does what he is paid to do. If his team wins, it's because he did his thing.. if they got to the playoffs, it's because AI, was the answer.

That team would have won multiple championships if his coaches were in fact coaches. & I understand who Larry Brown is..... but from what we've seen in Philly, Detroit, and New York, we should understand that Larry Brown is not all that on his own....... team him with a succesful organization, and he will be successfull. Make him the face of an organization that doesn't understand how all the pieces need to fit together..... from owner, to GM, to every VP of whatever, to the players....... & he looks oh so human.
 
thunderkyss said:
Don't misunderstand me. I think whatever coach that can't explain to Allen Iverson why he needs to be in practice, doesn't need to be an NBA coach. And folks arguing with me....... are flat out Allen Iverson haters.

He would not be a better player..... there is no way he can get any better. He does what he is paid to do. If his team wins, it's because he did his thing.. if they got to the playoffs, it's because AI, was the answer.

That team would have won multiple championships if his coaches were in fact coaches. & I understand who Larry Brown is..... but from what we've seen in Philly, Detroit, and New York, we should understand that Larry Brown is not all that on his own....... team him with a succesful organization, and he will be successfull. Make him the face of an organization that doesn't understand how all the pieces need to fit together..... from owner, to GM, to every VP of whatever, to the players....... & he looks oh so human.
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This whole Iverson debate reminds me of a recent book review written by one of my favorite writers, Malcolm Gladwell. It is all about how can you evaluate a talent such as Iverson. If you are into this sort of stuff, it is an interesting read.

Some of the same points can apply to evaluating football players as well, though statistically, it might be more difficult with such a large team oriented sport.

Book Review Link
 
Double Barrel said:
MJ, arguably the greatest b-ball player ever, practiced religiously.

If the greatest of the greats had to practice to keep his performance up to level, then everyone else definitely needs to practice.

TJ will be facing o-linemen that are motivated and don't slack. The only way he'll be able to compete is to be driven.

And this is where mental slacking comes into play. If you are not driven to at least strive for excellence, no amount of physical gift(s) will cut it on their own in the NFL.

I am amazed that this thread is even taking place for a first round draft pick making around $10 million a year!
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Didn't MJ retire...... and still come back and win a championship?? Michael Jordan had a lot of benefits that Allen Iverson never had..... & Michael didn't practice so he could perform at the best of his ability........ he did, so that scottie would, so that Kerr would, so that Longley would put in some meaningful game minutes....

The team benefitted more from MJ being at practice, than MJ did.... same would be true for Kolbe..... a younger Shaq....... LeBron..... AI. Those guys aren't going to get any better..... the people around them will learn to play better, learn to play with that guy...... the team will get better.


there is no correlation between Allen Iverson's situation, and Travis Johnson's.
 
thunderkyss said:
Michael didn't practice so he could perform at the best of his ability........ he did, so that scottie would, so that Kerr would, so that Longley would put in some meaningful game minutes....
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I'm not quite sure why this thread seems to have gotten so far off track but...

I completely disagree TK. Jordan practiced because he wanted to be the best. He wasn't so good that he didn't need to practice to perfect his gameplay or better understand that new play that coach put into the playbook. He wanted, no he demanded, that the other players perform around him. Steve Kerr said it was amazing to watch. Sure the roleplayers benefited more from practice than Jordan but to say that he practiced only for the benefit of his teammates is really silly imo. He practiced to get better.
 
Exascor said:
I'm not quite sure why this thread seems to have gotten so far off track but...

I completely disagree TK. ..
..... but to say that he practiced only for the benefit of his teammates is really silly imo. He practiced to get better.
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I've been called worse....

..... it is just an opinion....
 
Jordan was always looking to get an edge.This guy was Jordan's trainer. I had one of my clients working out with him to get ready for the draft.

http://www.attackathletics.com/history/index.htm

In 1989 the newspapers reported that Michael Jordan was tired of getting knocked around on the court, and wanted to get stronger for the next season. Dr. John Hefferon, the NBA Team Physician at the time, had heard of Tim and thought he and Michael might be a good fit. He arranged a meeting for the two of them.

Michael agreed to give Tim a try for a few weeks. The match was a great success. Tim’s knowledge of basketball coupled with his background in sports specific training was just what Michael needed to become better. This lead to an edge on the court. The weeks turned into months and soon Tim resigned from all other training to work exclusively with Michael.Word traveled fast among professional athletes that Michael’s trainer had really made a difference in his physique and his game. Player after player contacted Tim in hopes that he would be able to work with them. Tim traveled with Michael during the basketball season and began training many other athletes during the basketball off-season. Today Tim’s list of elite clients reads like a Who’s who in the NBA. Tim has also expanded his business to include notable football and baseball.
 
thunderkyss said:
there is no correlation between Allen Iverson's situation, and Travis Johnson's.
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I understand where you're coming from, and did not mean to imply that Iverson and Johnson had anything in common.

My main point was that most, if not all, players need to practice to improve their games. That's all I was trying to say, so I just wanted to clear that up. :)
 
thunderkyss said:
a) And folks arguing with me....... are flat out Allen Iverson haters.

b) He would not be a better player..... there is no way he can get any better. He does what he is paid to do. If his team wins, it's because he did his thing.. if they got to the playoffs, it's because AI, was the answer.
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a) Wow! Thanks for pointing that out - I never realized I hated A.I.

b) Practice makes you better. Maybe he makes one more basket - whatever. The point is the team's goal is to win a championship; if his practicing with his team would bring them closer to that goal then he's not doing his job unless he is practicing with the team.

I'm done, have the last word.

Go Spurs 2007!
 
Runner said:
a) Wow! Thanks for pointing that out - I never realized I hated A.I.

b) Practice makes you better. Maybe he makes one more basket - whatever. The point is the team's goal is to win a championship; if his practicing with his team would bring them closer to that goal then he's not doing his job unless he is practicing with the team.

I'm done, have the last word.

Go Spurs 2007!
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So typical. Just cut and run. Oh yeah, you are Runner.
 
Lets see what hapens come game day. A lot of people are late starters. THe Texans brass saw something in him and hopefully its still there. They havennot put pads on yet. He is probably huffing and puffing and getting in shape. The coaches are mad that he is using their time to get in shape. He is too talented to cut. Therefore they will humilate him and establish who is runnimg the team. It seams to mr he is becoming an example. Once they make their point TJ will be in the often used rotation. Hopefully with a little humility.
 
Exascor said:
I'm not quite sure why this thread seems to have gotten so far off track but...

I completely disagree TK. Jordan practiced because he wanted to be the best. He wasn't so good that he didn't need to practice to perfect his gameplay or better understand that new play that coach put into the playbook. He wanted, no he demanded, that the other players perform around him. Steve Kerr said it was amazing to watch. Sure the roleplayers benefited more from practice than Jordan but to say that he practiced only for the benefit of his teammates is really silly imo. He practiced to get better.
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I agree, I just can't comprehend a player practicing to improve his teammates unless it's in a role model sort of way...
 
Runner said:
b) Practice makes you better. Maybe he makes one more basket - whatever. The point is the team's goal is to win a championship; if his practicing with his team would bring them closer to that goal then he's not doing his job unless he is practicing with the team.

I'm done, have the last word.
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And that is exactly what I'm saying.... everybody thinks this is a silly statement, because it is Allen Iverson, and he is one of the premier players in the league. All the reporters laughed along with Allen because of it. Instead of focusing on the important part, that the team practice is more about the team getting better..... the team winning a championship, and that the star player skipping those practices is detrimental to the team.

I've never heard Barkley(who I like..... can't hate him) Peanut, Kevin Johnson, or Steven A. Smith mention it.

Everyone here....... going on and on about how everyone needs to practice..... Iverson needs to get better. The fact of the matter is that no, he doesn't. There have been dozens of people who have won NBA championships..... dozens who are less talented than AI..... dozens who are less talented, and the man on their team.....

The goofiest thing about that "speech", was that no one has ever called Allen on the fact that if he wants to win the championship, he has got to work with his team.

They say Allen Iverson is selfish, and worried about his personal stats.... then say that he needs to practice so he can improve those stats....

what am I missing here??

AI needs to practice with his team....... but not so that he can get better... but so the team can get better.
 
"This is a big year for him," Texans coach Gary Kubiak said. "It's year two. Most of the players in this league make their biggest jump from year one to year two if they are going to be a great player and play a long time. So it's time for Travis to do that."
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sOOoooo... does this apply to Carr too? Or did this apply to Carr too?
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
well carr is working hard, this dude on the other hand, :challenge .
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yeah I know but it's past two years... so does that mean he is not going to be great and have a long career in the NFL?

I am kinda just kidding around because development of QBs is a little bit of a different animal.

( plus I don't want to accept the reality that 3 of our 1st round picks have not produced anything good yet, worthy of being in the 1st round that is )
 
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