Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.
Yeah, can you put a lid on the bash Kubiak slant in your posts and turn the page please. You're boring. Go run for office if you want campaign so much.
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Of course....I'm jaded, so that's just the anger and resentment talkin' right there.
I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.
Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.
And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.
I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.
Kubiak gets a fail for the following:
1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.
2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.
3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.
I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.
Have you not read anything anybody has posted or you just like going off on blind rants for ranting sake?
They took Barwin in the 2nd, which there was no problem with that pick at all. Nobody anticipated Slaton having the year he had. They wanted Coffee and Greene and both got taken before the Texans pick. Jet traded up to take Greene. Neither one of those guys were even a lock to play in this system under Kubiak. Greene's pass blocking sucks, so much he got Sanchez killed several time this year. I didn't see enough of Coffee to even speculate. You think that would have flown in Kubiak's system? Not hardly which brings me to Chris Brown and Foster...
Kubiak stuck with him for mainly pass blocking purposes. Out of Foster, Moats and Brown, Brown was the lesser of 3 evils. Foster didn't get his stuff straight until the last 3 weeks of the season when he showed it in practice. What some folks fail to understand is that running back in this system is a lot more than getting the ball and going. Kubiak is not going to put anybody, no matter what kind of runner he is, in a situation that is gonna get Schaub hurt. Moats sucks a pass blocking as well and kept putting the ball on the ground. Like it or not, and by this post, not, Brown was Kubiak's only choice when it came to a back that could do what he asked, mainly pick up your assignments and protect the QB. From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.
So now, Slaton is done, Moats is a non factor and your only choices left are an unproven rookie who has shown you nothing in practice or Chris Brown. It is only bizarre and erratic to someone who doesn't understand the process...
Maybe now you do.
13 really? By Davis? Don't even remember those numbers and I have watched every game since 2002.
Holy ****, that is a huge back!
definitely a consistently productive "horse"........6'1" / 435 pounds.
ESPN Insider says Lendale White to Houston is a possibility.. I didn't read the whole thing because I refuse to pay for a membership.
thoughts ?
Would a signing like this take RB off the draft list ?
ESPN Insider says Lendale White to Houston is a possibility.. I didn't read the whole thing because I refuse to pay for a membership.
thoughts ?
Would a signing like this take RB off the draft list ?
More from the General...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6863543.html
Kubiak wants team to be better in ground game
“We're going to find a way to get better,” Kubiak said. “It wasn't good enough last season.”
Mike Iupati 6-5, 330 5.20 Idaho (OT)
Mike Johnson 6-5, 305 5.40 Alabama
Jon Asamoah 6-4, 315 5.10 Illinois (X)
John Jerry 6-5, 350 5.45 Mississippi (OT)
Mitch Pretus 6-3, 315 5.10 Arkansas
Brandon Carter 6-6, 355 5.55 Texas Tech (O)
Zane Beadles 6-4, 315 5.25 Utah (OT)
Marshall Newhouse 6-3, 320 5.05 Texas Christian (OT)
Sergio Render 6-3, 325 5.20 Virginia Tech
Shaun Lauvao 6-3, 305 5.30 Arizona State
*Maurkice Pouncey 6-5, 320 5.20 Florida
Matt Tennant 6-3, 295 5.10 Boston College
J.D. Walton 6-3, 305 5.20 Baylor
Ted Larsen 6-2, 300 5.25 North Carolina State
Eric Olsen 6-3, 305 5.25 Notre Dame (OG)
John Estes 6-2, 295 5.15 Hawaii
Kenny Alfred 6-2, 300 5.25 Washington
Chris Hall 6-3, 310 5.10 Texas
Eric Cook 6-5, 315 5.25 New Mexico
Thomas Austin 6-3, 315 5.15 Clemson (OG)
because every team covets picks, right? If you called Oakland right now and offered this years 2nd for Bush considering he was a 4th round pick, bet ol Uncle Al's ears might perk up a bit, maybe even Baltimore's might as well on Mcclain, who was also a 4th round pick. What ever it took, make it appealing to them. Either one of those backs are better than anything you are going to get as a rookie, and are exactly what you are looking for.
Bush won't start over Fargas or McFadden, especially McFadden, he makes too much.
Both teams have an abundance of backs as it stand and both are being used as FBs, so are they really being used effectively in either teams offense?
It is all about how you sell it to either team....
If I offered you a 2nd round pick on a back that you hardly use and took in the 4th, you wouldn't take that offer?
I would have locked up Coffee in the 2nd. When round 2 was over, and Coffee had not been taken, I knew for certain that he would not be there when it was our turn--Kubiak is full of crap if he's trying to tell the media and the fans that he really thought he'd be there for us in the 3rd. Round 2 was the round to take him in. He wasn't worth a 1st, but a 2nd would not have been shameful.
Back on track now: Even though I drafted Slaton in 2008 and he worked out decently for me, I would have used a 2nd round pick on Coffee.
And then guess what? I'd be using him once Slaton's hands became Jell-O in 2009. So my way would have worked.
I'm just saying that it's not like we need to sit here and act as if there was no way we could have foreseen Slaton's problems and that we would have needed another solid RB in there. I wouldn't have rested at RB in the 2009 draft. I would have gone that route again, in round 2, with Coffee. With the passing game we have, he would have done well IMO.
Kubiak gets a fail for the following:
1. Not grabbing Coffee, then faking shock that he wasn't there in the 3rd. That they would have him rated as "available" for our pick in the 3rd round is laughable to me. Seriously? I mean, he's obviously not the 2nd Coming or anything...but then again, look at our RB crop for the past 8 years. 2nd round would have been acceptable, considering our history at the position.
2. Believing in Chris Brown to the extent he did. I just have nothing else to say here. There's no excuse for it. Probably one of the worst moves in NFL history: To have him on our roster in 2008 and then again in 2009, and then to force him on us to the extent that Kubiak did in 2009. Stoopid by even the most stringent of Stoopid classification systems.
3. Not using Foster earlier. Kubiak either thrusts RBs into the limelight to fast, over-inflating their heads, or he stashes them away until the last part of the season. The way he's gone about the RB roster has just been bizarre and erratic. With the exception of Slaton's 2008 year, Kubiak has had the worst luck with choosing his RBs and finding any consistent success.
I believe in God. And I ask God to help Gary Kubiak find one or two guys who can platoon the RB position in 2010 and do something. At this point, he's going to need divine intervention.
I made a killing with Domanick that year in Fantasy Football.
People forget how could he was and how great he could have been.
IMO Coffee is a 3rd rounder, period. He was not worth our 2nd pick. Coffee has not shown , he avg 2.7 yds per carry last season, to be worth where he was drafted. Smith and Kubiak would have lost on him in the 3rd. Caldwell will be an asset longer than Coffee.
I agree with many of your points and argument, but leave the Coffee alone.
Actually, what Coffeee does well is get what's blocked which is a characteristic of a zone back. Not saying he is the "answer" but he would be better in zone system than whatever they do out in SF.
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.
Can't someone admit that Kubiak's failure to fortify the running back position was a mistake? Not suggesting that it (alone) should have cost his job...just a mistake. Can't Coach Teflon make mistakes?
it would be a wasted draft pick to pick someone up in the first or 2nd round and tell him to go run behind our line....(center, and guards) name a good rb in the league and they have a good interior. NOW THAT KUBS FAULT! NOT GETTING SOME BETTER GUYS IN THE MIDDLE! but he didnt prolly think they pitts and brisel would go down either
So....how did Arian Foster run so well there at the end of the season?
I mean, he's being propped up as the probable starter or at least #2 behind Slaton. People are pointing at Foster as being proof that Kubiak DID address the RB need, just not when we wanted him to (going the UDFA route).
I hated the Barwin pick. It's Jason Babin all over again. You can't dress it up. It's a pick you make if your team is stacked and you want to go fishing. We needed a running back. There was one or two still available. Take your pick.
Or, just don't pick any at all and go sifting through the undrafted guys like Kubiak did.
As much as I want to believe that we're going to pull through this and grab a quality RB...or that Arian Foster is going to be THAT guy for us, I can't find it within me to be realistically hopeful.
Patterns.
our interior overachieved, plus against the pats, vince wilfork didnt play. our other good game running, was against the bills and they have a horrible d line, that was ryan moats day. other than that we couldnt do shhht allll year, it aint that foster was just a hero, it was he had some help, if he woulda started all the games he woulda got blown up in the backfield like every other rb of ours did. those 2 games he started he HAD lanes to run through, we can keep our rb's and upgrade our interior and problem solved
It's tiresome having to read these Kubiak apologies, again and again. Kubiak can do no wrong. Even though he has been running this team for 4 years, it's not his fault that the team's best option at running back is a washed up stiff like Chris Brown.
Can't someone admit that Kubiak's failure to fortify the running back position was a mistake? Not suggesting that it (alone) should have cost his job...just a mistake. Can't Coach Teflon make mistakes?
They had their sights set on Greene but got bushwhacked when the Jets traded up to get him. Nothing you can really do about that. If they take him in the 2nd, when he was a projected 3rd rounder, and he doesn't perform like he did with the Jets and all that first round beef on the O-line the Jets have, then Kubiak would be blasted for reaching in the 2nd for back that underperformed....
As for the RB situation, not Kubiak's style to take RBs with high draft choices. Any and everybody who knows this system and the tree of coaching Kubiak comes from, knows they will not take 1st or 2nd round RBs.
Why can not the running back and Oline be addressed in same draft?it would be a wasted draft pick to pick someone up in the first or 2nd round and tell him to go run behind our line....(center, and guards) name a good rb in the league and they have a good interior. NOW THAT KUBS FAULT! NOT GETTING SOME BETTER GUYS IN THE MIDDLE! but he didnt prolly think they pitts and brisel would go down either
Not sure about Brisiel but Kubes said over a week ago that Pitts is ready.How do you get better at running the ball? get yourself a couple of these
and possible add one of these
You need a OL. Pitts and Brisiel are both hurt and both guys have injuries that can really effect a players ability, especially Brisiel's injury.
Which would be a great categorical statement if true but it isn't. Kubiak tried to trade what became DeMeco and OD for a 1st rounder to take DeAngelo Williams. Luckily they got outbid.
The Texans will be taking a running back really early and they will want an explosive back in the zone blocking system. I think that Jahvid Best is the right type of back to play in that system and he has been in that system at Cal under coach Jeff Tedford. This guy reminds me of Chris Johnson for Tennessee once he make one cut he is gone and with Bests speed he could be dominating in our system. I also like C.J.Spiller and Jonathon Dwyer and if we don't get one of the 3 mentioned I think we will be talking about drafting another running back in 2011.Though it goes against Texans/Denver RB philosophy, I'll take the under. If the Texans don't take an RB by round two, there's going to be a lot of uneasiness regarding next season.
Have you not read anything anybody has posted or you just like going off on blind rants for ranting sake?
They took Barwin in the 2nd, which there was no problem with that pick at all. Nobody anticipated Slaton having the year he had. They wanted Coffee and Greene and both got taken before the Texans pick. Jet traded up to take Greene. Neither one of those guys were even a lock to play in this system under Kubiak. Greene's pass blocking sucks, so much he got Sanchez killed several time this year. I didn't see enough of Coffee to even speculate. You think that would have flown in Kubiak's system? Not hardly which brings me to Chris Brown and Foster...
Kubiak stuck with him for mainly pass blocking purposes. Out of Foster, Moats and Brown, Brown was the lesser of 3 evils. Foster didn't get his stuff straight until the last 3 weeks of the season when he showed it in practice. What some folks fail to understand is that running back in this system is a lot more than getting the ball and going. Kubiak is not going to put anybody, no matter what kind of runner he is, in a situation that is gonna get Schaub hurt. Moats sucks a pass blocking as well and kept putting the ball on the ground. Like it or not, and by this post, not, Brown was Kubiak's only choice when it came to a back that could do what he asked, mainly pick up your assignments and protect the QB. From a production standpoint, well that is where Chris Brown failed, not Kubiak.
So now, Slaton is done, Moats is a non factor and your only choices left are an unproven rookie who has shown you nothing in practice or Chris Brown. It is only bizarre and erratic to someone who doesn't understand the process...
Maybe now you do.
Interesting. I still have a problem with that pick. I think there were so many better options, better positions, better players, that the Barwin pick was one of the worst in our franchise's history. Jury's still out and all that, but I hated it. I think a lot more people have issues with that pick than you apparently think. Barwin kinda sucked it up his rookie year. Hopefully he will get better.
According to NFL.com, the guy had the most sacks of any DE from last year's draft and the 3rd most sacks of ANYONE from last year's draft.
He played well his rookie season. I loved the pick at the time it was made because I didn't expect him to fall to us. I expected Barwin to go in late first, early second. I think a lot of people had a first round grade on him.
Whether that pick bothers me or not will depend on how he does next year. But that will be hindsight. At the time, I thought it was a really good (if unexpected) pick.
Finding a Consistent running game is by far the biggest need this team has. We need an impact player at that positions and nothing we are going to get in FA or late in the draft is going to assure us of that.
Gerhart may not be the fastest back. He runs in the mid 4.5's and 4.6's. He may not be the most athletic, either. While he does possess sound agility and elusiveness, it can't be compared to that of, say, Darren McFadden or Felix Jones.
But his durability, his power, and his lack of fear; those are components to his game that cannot be replaced. Neither can his break-away speed, his vision, and his relentless ability to and knack for attacking defenders, usually many at a time.
INDIANAPOLIS -- LSU speedster Trindon Holliday has a number in mind when he runs his 40-yard dash this week at the NFL scouting combine.
"My goal is to run a 4.23," the running back/return man rold reporters.
When asked if that has anything to do with the fact that Tennessee Titans tailback Chris Johnson posted a scorching mark of 4.24 in 2008, Holliday admitted, "It's kind of sort of like that."
"It's not really a competition," said Holliday, a favorite to post the fastest time of any prospect here in Indianapolis. "I just want to come out and run as fast as I can. But I am going to try to.''
Holliday said he was timed at 4.21 seconds in the 40-yard dash a few weeks ago.
Slow 40 has dogged Toby Gerhart , but he has proven to be a big (6'1"/231), tough, CONSISTENT, workhorse. Interesting pick, possibly, for later rounds.
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