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Chron: Kubiak gets chance to size up his team

BOBO do you even like the Texans? or do you only like the cheerleaders? Honestly.....everyone on this board knows Capers was the worst coach ever!!!!!!!! You know it's cool to argue, but not when the WORLD is against you!!!!!!!!!:shoot:<<<<<<<< That is all you right there. Stop writing stupidity and take a lok at the stats. Don't try to compare Capers to Homlgren or the other coaches. I'm from wiscosnin and Capers isn't close to Homlgren. And sorry to say, but after Homlgren left the players sucked!!!!! Look at Favre he is getting worse and worse every year. The receivers they had gone!!!!!!!!! Holmgren was actually a GREAT coach I hope Kubiak can do as good as Homlgren. Take a newer team and take them to the top within a few years!:homer:
 
mexican_texan said:
2-14 in the year we were expected to make the playoffs. By the fourth year, Capers should not have had to deal with a first overall pick.

And why, pray tell, were the Texans expected to make the playoffs in the first place? First of all, I didn't expect them to make the playoffs. And most everybody else didn't think they'd make the playoffs. Why did YOU expect them to make it? Could it have been that the team had shown enough in previous seasons to make you believe that? If that is true, would you have to then say that perhaps Capers really wasn't so bad of a coach if his team's performance caused you to think the team had a chance for the post season? Or did you think that the team and Capers always stunk but for some reason thought they would completely turn it around and make the playoffs last year without any reason to think that?
 
amazingandre said:
BOBO do you even like the Texans? or do you only like the cheerleaders? Honestly.....everyone on this board knows Capers was the worst coach ever!!!!!!!! You know it's cool to argue, but not when the WORLD is against you!!!!!!!!!:shoot:<<<<<<<< That is all you right there. Stop writing stupidity and take a lok at the stats. Don't try to compare Capers to Homlgren or the other coaches. I'm from wiscosnin and Capers isn't close to Homlgren. And sorry to say, but after Homlgren left the players sucked!!!!! Look at Favre he is getting worse and worse every year. The receivers they had gone!!!!!!!!! Holmgren was actually a GREAT coach I hope Kubiak can do as good as Homlgren. Take a newer team and take them to the top within a few years!:homer:

The facts fail to back up your statement about Capers. I seriously doubt that you were saying that Capers was "the worst coach ever" when he beat both the Bears and the Jags on the road in 2004 where the team gave up a grand total of five points in those two weeks. And I seriously doubt that you were saying he was "the worst coach ever" when he took his team to the cusp of a .500 season in just three years. Holmgren went to Seattle and took his team to a 6-10 record. That's one game worse than Capers did in 2004. Holmgren was kept on and he went to the SB. Brown was kept on after going 3-11 and two years later won his division. Capers never got that chance and there is no way we'll ever know what he could have done if given another chance. Instead, they bring in a guy who has never been a head coach on any major level -- maybe not even Pop Warner -- and who even has a sketchy record as an assistant coach in non-Elway years. Oh, yeah, the guy was great with Elway. Seeing that he was a top prospect to start with, that's not saying much. But how did he do with guys like Brian Griese? Bad move.
 
Because these coahces had one maybe 2 basd years then they went to the sb or won the division capers went 7-9 to 2-14 are you dumb think about what you are saying!!!! you dont make any sense....do you have tickets to any of the games this year out of curiousity???? cuz id like them since you obviously aren't a real texans fan!!!!!!!!!:spy:
 
amazingandre said:
Because these coahces had one maybe 2 basd years then they went to the sb or won the division capers went 7-9 to 2-14 are you dumb think about what you are saying!!!! you dont make any sense....do you have tickets to any of the games this year out of curiousity???? cuz id like them since you obviously aren't a real texans fan!!!!!!!!!:spy:

Um, Cowher went from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. Capers never regressed that much. Now, tell me who "doesn't make any sense." And yes, I do have season tix to the games this year. If you want some tix -- then try buying them yourself.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Andy, nice photos as always. BIG UPS!

A few thoughts about the pics.

1. Mathis' hands look OK from afar. (not bandaged)

2. Nice seeing Bennie catching a pass.

3. Kubiak and Sherman are both wearing long sleeve shirts outside????? Got a little cold front through, but nothing worthy of long sleeves. They must be keeping the offices mighty cold and they just didn't think to change out of them.

4. HURRAY FOR FOOTBALL!!!!

That is funny because I was laughing at seeing Kubiak wearing a sweatshirt in May and thinking he must be having a flashback to Denver. I bet Kubiak doesn't remember how Hot it gets in Houston.....he might say he does but until he hits the field....he is not a kid anymore after all. :)

What is the latest on Bennie Joppru? He would be a nice surprise for the new coaches.....hopefully equal to how disappointing he was for the ex-coaches/gm.
 
Carr had diffrent look in his eys to me...maybe it was just the sun i dunno lol

but he is holding the ball lower in this dropback, which is what i assumer Kubes wants him to.

Remeber when he first came in he had that thing glued to his ear
 
lol ya that was funny looking I bet it will make an impact on how he throws too. Our qb in high school use to hold it high, then he dropped it and the ball seemed to release a lot easier and smoother. I dont know whatever works right?
 
Texans_Chick said:
Really, you can't be earnestly saying this stuff.

1. Having the NFL back in Houston is exciting. Capers brand of football was, well, non-exciting. There were some moments of good, but there was little to suggest over the last season and a half that we were fixing to turn the corner. It fact, it got down right ugly--uglier than even the first season. Not just losing, but losing in baffoon-like ways.

2. Hall of fame coaches do not equal non-hall of fame coaches.
Hall of fame coaches get to have a few bad seasons. Non-hall of fame coaches do not.

I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly

I guess you were never at the games then because, as I recall when I was there from 2002-4, the fans were so excited about this team that they caused repeated false starts for the opposition. You should take a good look at the second half of 2004. That team beat both the Bears and Jax on the road and allowed a total of just five points in those two games that occurred just before the last game of the season. As for Hall of Fame coaches, I don't recall Holmgren or Cowher in the Hall yet. And the reason those guys may eventually get into the Hall is, guess what? When they DID have bad seasons, their teams kept them on and they got to the SB! Let's make this real clear. Holmgren, 6-10. His team kept him on, he got to the SB. Cowher, goes from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. His team kept him on and he got to the Super Bowl. Paul Brown, goes from 8-6 to 3-11. The Bengals keep him on and in two years, his team wins the division. Capers regresses five games and ... oops! The team gets rid of him. Hmm. What's wrong with this picture? I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly.
 
Bobo said:
I guess you were never at the games then because, as I recall when I was there from 2002-4, the fans were so excited about this team that they caused repeated false starts for the opposition. You should take a good look at the second half of 2004. That team beat both the Bears and Jax on the road and allowed a total of just five points in those two games that occurred just before the last game of the season. As for Hall of Fame coaches, I don't recall Holmgren or Cowher in the Hall yet. And the reason those guys may eventually get into the Hall is, guess what? When they DID have bad seasons, their teams kept them on and they got to the SB! Let's make this real clear. Holmgren, 6-10. His team kept him on, he got to the SB. Cowher, goes from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. His team kept him on and he got to the Super Bowl. Paul Brown, goes from 8-6 to 3-11. The Bengals keep him on and in two years, his team wins the division. Capers regresses five games and ... oops! The team gets rid of him. Hmm. What's wrong with this picture? I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly.

Bobo, come on! I was one of the biggest defenders of Capers. I respect him a great deal as a person. Also, I think he's an excellent defensive mind. However, he did lose this team. Good coach or bad, a change had to be made after last year's disaster. It was his decision to remove Palmer and bring in Pendry. Clearly that was one of the worst decisions I've seen in the NFL the past 10 years. Every effort Capers made to improve our average offense of 2004 helped create one of the worst offenses I've ever seen in 2005. Capers also clearly had lost a handle on personnel. He continued, inexplicably, to start Corey Bradford. Also, he supported giving Victor Riley the starting LT spot and sending Seth Wand to the deep bench. Also, he supported getting rid of Glenn and Sharper.

The problem isn't that we won less last year. The problem is that we were a young team that wasn't in any cap trouble, yet we went from an average football teams to one of the 2 or 3 worst teams of the decade. Horrible on offense and horrible on defense and it wasn't due to a rash of injuries, losses in free angency, cap hell, or any other excuse that one can find.
 
Bobo said:
I guess you were never at the games then because, as I recall when I was there from 2002-4, the fans were so excited about this team that they caused repeated false starts for the opposition. You should take a good look at the second half of 2004. That team beat both the Bears and Jax on the road and allowed a total of just five points in those two games that occurred just before the last game of the season. As for Hall of Fame coaches, I don't recall Holmgren or Cowher in the Hall yet. And the reason those guys may eventually get into the Hall is, guess what? When they DID have bad seasons, their teams kept them on and they got to the SB! Let's make this real clear. Holmgren, 6-10. His team kept him on, he got to the SB. Cowher, goes from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. His team kept him on and he got to the Super Bowl. Paul Brown, goes from 8-6 to 3-11. The Bengals keep him on and in two years, his team wins the division. Capers regresses five games and ... oops! The team gets rid of him. Hmm. What's wrong with this picture? I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly.


Coach Capers coached a win against the Cowboys for the franchise first win. He did a great job and is to be commended for it. Thank you Coach Capers!

Dom Capers also lost control of his team in 2005 to go 2-14 and really there was no real hope they could win a game. Not a fun year to be a Texan fan. Believe me I are one.

McNair could have stuck with Casserly and Capers but he didn't like what he was seeing and knew what he would get. Nothing wrong with Capers style as it will win you some ballgames but he clearly lost control and the owner and many fans, myself included, thought it would be a nice change and so far it has been.

I wish Coach Capers all the luck in the world and think he will do an awesome job as Miami's D Coordinator.

Time to give Houston native, proven winner, former NFL quarterback who worked with Elway to inspire and excite a football team and a town!

Welcome to town, Coach Kubiak, and all the Best!

Looking good to me!!
 
dalemurphy said:
Bobo, come on! I was one of the biggest defenders of Capers. I respect him a great deal as a person. Also, I think he's an excellent defensive mind. However, he did lose this team. Good coach or bad, a change had to be made after last year's disaster. It was his decision to remove Palmer and bring in Pendry. Clearly that was one of the worst decisions I've seen in the NFL the past 10 years. Every effort Capers made to improve our average offense of 2004 helped create one of the worst offenses I've ever seen in 2005. Capers also clearly had lost a handle on personnel. He continued, inexplicably, to start Corey Bradford. Also, he supported giving Victor Riley the starting LT spot and sending Seth Wand to the deep bench. Also, he supported getting rid of Glenn and Sharper.

The problem isn't that we won less last year. The problem is that we were a young team that wasn't in any cap trouble, yet we went from an average football teams to one of the 2 or 3 worst teams of the decade. Horrible on offense and horrible on defense and it wasn't due to a rash of injuries, losses in free angency, cap hell, or any other excuse that one can find.

The old song and dance about Capers being a good guy is irrelevant. We are talking about him as a coach and as I have pointed out, the record shows he was a very good coach from 2002-4 and took the team far with very little to work with due to the expansion situation. Again, you must not have been at the KC game because you would have never said that he "lost the team" if you saw how that team came out fired and stoked up after halftime where they were losing 31-7. So that stuff about "losing the team" is just a song and dance :bananasplit: that may fit some situations but definitely NOT this one because I saw how Capers kept this team together for myself, despite a horrible down year. Your statement about "clearly a change had to be made" doesn't hold any water either, seeing that Paul Brown's expansion Bengals went from 8-6 to 3-11 in one year -- the same kind of regression Capers experienced -- only Paul Brown stayed on and took his team to the divisional title in two years. Of course, we could also talk about Cowher's seven-game regression in two years and Holmgren's 6-10 record and what happened to them. Oh, I admit the Texans were bad last year. But don't you recall how bad the Steelers were when they went 6-10? Heck, the Texans actually beat them -- in Pitt -- that year. And Cowher had much, much more to work with and a much better infrastructure at that point. But like I have said, they kept Cowher on and fired Capers. Cowher went on to win the SB. Who knows what Capers would have done. And now the Texans have the inexperienced Kubiak who has never been a HC in his life instead of a guy who took a team from nothing to within a game of .500 in just three years. Pardon me, but I'd much rather have a coach like Capers who has actually done something with this team and experienced one bad year than a green guy like Kubiak. Capers wasn't given the chance to right the ship like so many other coaches have been given and I think that was a shame and a disservice to Capers.
 
Texansbacker said:
Coach Capers coached a win against the Cowboys for the franchise first win. He did a great job and is to be commended for it. Thank you Coach Capers!

Dom Capers also lost control of his team in 2005 to go 2-14 and really there was no real hope they could win a game. Not a fun year to be a Texan fan. Believe me I are one.

McNair could have stuck with Casserly and Capers but he didn't like what he was seeing and knew what he would get. Nothing wrong with Capers style as it will win you some ballgames but he clearly lost control and the owner and many fans, myself included, thought it would be a nice change and so far it has been.

I wish Coach Capers all the luck in the world and think he will do an awesome job as Miami's D Coordinator.

Time to give Houston native, proven winner, former NFL quarterback who worked with Elway to inspire and excite a football team and a town!

Welcome to town, Coach Kubiak, and all the Best!

Looking good to me!!

I don't know where you get this about "Capers losing control" of the team. That's something folks love to say when a coach has a bad year. It's like a little ritualistic statement said anytime a coach has a bad year -- even if it doesn't fit. Well, like I said. I was there when that team was behind 31-7 at halftime vs. KC last year. When the Texans came on the field for the second half, they were all fired up and came out there really excited. That's not how a team acts when the coach has "lost control." So pardon me if I say this stuff about "losing control of the team" just doesn't fit this situation. McNair is a nice old fellow and I appreciate him bringing the NFL back to Houston. But even he would admit he isn't a real football guy. If he was, he wouldn't have brought in Reeves to make recommendations. Of course, that whole process was flawed since you had a guy who admitted he wouldn't mind coaching again evaluating a coach's job performance. Yeah, like he'd say, "Capers is doing fine, it's the players. Give Capers another shot." As far as Kubiak goes, there are a lot of guys from Houston around. That doesn't make them qualified to coach in the NFL. Heck, the guy doesn't even have an NFL tie to Houston like Wade Phillips. Kubiak was an assistant coach in Denver for 11 years -- I don't see an NFL tie there at all. And there were lots of times during those years where as an assistant, Kubiak wasn't all that great. Sure, he won with Elway. Boy, that must have been tough. The one thing about Kubiak you can say is that at least he didn't screw it up. But what did he do with Brian Griese? How many SBs was he in after Elway left? So pardon me if I don't come to the Welcome Wagon party for Kubiak. I don't see him nearly as qualified as the guy that was run out on a rail.
 
Bobo said:
I guess you were never at the games then because, as I recall when I was there from 2002-4, the fans were so excited about this team that they caused repeated false starts for the opposition. You should take a good look at the second half of 2004. That team beat both the Bears and Jax on the road and allowed a total of just five points in those two games that occurred just before the last game of the season. As for Hall of Fame coaches, I don't recall Holmgren or Cowher in the Hall yet. And the reason those guys may eventually get into the Hall is, guess what? When they DID have bad seasons, their teams kept them on and they got to the SB! Let's make this real clear. Holmgren, 6-10. His team kept him on, he got to the SB. Cowher, goes from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. His team kept him on and he got to the Super Bowl. Paul Brown, goes from 8-6 to 3-11. The Bengals keep him on and in two years, his team wins the division. Capers regresses five games and ... oops! The team gets rid of him. Hmm. What's wrong with this picture? I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly.

In the ESPN/talk radio era, you can't be a coach of a 2-14 team without a long standing winning track record and keep your job. You just can't.

Dom Capers has had one over .500 season as a head coach.

Holmgren has had 12 over .500 seasons as a head coach.

Cowhers has had 11 over .500 seasons as a head coach.

Yes, it is hard to coach an expansion team, much less two, but Holmgren and Cowhers had enough stored good will to demonstrate that they knew what they were doing. They never had a season nearly as bad as the Texans' last season. Maybe if Capers had Holmgren type credentials, he could stay, but most anyone with Holmgren type credentials wouldn't be interested in coaching the Texans unless they had a connection to the city.

At least you can admit that from a marketing standpoint, it is not tenable to keep a coach with a really ugly 2-14 season and who has never had Hall of Famish type success.

(BTW, you never answered my question. Are you Dom Caper's wife?)
 
Bobo said:
I was there when that team was behind 31-7 at halftime vs. KC last year. When the Texans came on the field for the second half, they were all fired up and came out there really excited. That's not how a team acts when the coach has "lost control."


More unintentional humor, unless it is of the Tony Clifton sort.
 
Texans_Chick said:
More unintentional humor, unless it is of the Tony Clifton sort.

Umm, the way you measure if someone has "lost control" of a team is how it reacts to adversity. The fact that the team was still fired up when so far behind is not an example of "unintended humor" but a very real example of a coach who could keep his team fired up despite the adverse situation. Hopefully that's a little more clear to you now.
 
Texans_Chick said:
In the ESPN/talk radio era, you can't be a coach of a 2-14 team without a long standing winning track record and keep your job. You just can't.

Dom Capers has had one over .500 season as a head coach.

Holmgren has had 12 over .500 seasons as a head coach.

Cowhers has had 11 over .500 seasons as a head coach.

Yes, it is hard to coach an expansion team, much less two, but Holmgren and Cowhers had enough stored good will to demonstrate that they knew what they were doing. They never had a season nearly as bad as the Texans' last season. Maybe if Capers had Holmgren type credentials, he could stay, but most anyone with Holmgren type credentials wouldn't be interested in coaching the Texans unless they had a connection to the city.

At least you can admit that from a marketing standpoint, it is not tenable to keep a coach with a really ugly 2-14 season and who has never had Hall of Famish type success.

(BTW, you never answered my question. Are you Dom Caper's wife?)

You seem to be saying that just because ESPN is around that a coach can't have a bad season and survive unless he's had a winning season. That, as you know, flies in the face of actual NFL history -- and it also contradicts the fact that the Texans hired him in the first place with only one winning season to his credit. Apparently the Texans realized that he had made some accomplishments previously with Carolina, even though he only had one winning season with them. Talking heads don't dictate proper football decisions -- surely you realize this following the Williams/Bush saga. And it seems to me that if a coach had a winning team and then all of a sudden it became a loser, then it would be even worse. For example, when Cowher dropped from 13-3 to 6-10 in just two years, that would have shown that the team had regressed a lot further than Capers team did, seeing that the Steelers had fallen from a big winner to sorrowful loser on his watch. But despite the huge, huge regression, they kept him on and we know what happened from there. Capers didn't get the Texans to nearly the same record as Cowher did his team for the reasons you stated earlier (expansion roots) but his team didn't fall off nearly to the point that Cowher's did. Yet Cowher kept his job and Capers didn't. As far as marketing goes, isn't that the same argument a lot of folks were using to draft Bush? I guess that way of thinking didn't rule the day, either. As far as being a Capers relative, I'm just as much a Capers relation as I am part of the Paul Brown family, part of the Cowher kin and part of the Holmgren ilk. I simply believe that Capers should have received the same courtesy and opportunity to turn it around as other coaches have, especially after what he did for this team in his first three years -- accomplishments that in some corners of Houston fandom have been the victim of either faded memories or historical revisionism. And instead of giving Capers a chance to accomplish what the three other coaches did, they brought in a guy who has absolutely no experience as a head coach on any major level and struggled when John Elway had left the building.
 
Brings a tear to me eye..........
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Coaches that know how to win in Texans gear.
 
Coaches that know how to win in Texans gear.

A.) Neither of these coaches have won a single game "in Texans gear." B.) One has never won ANY game in the NFL in ANY gear as a head coach and the other was fired last year because he didn't win ENOUGH games in GB gear. C.) Yeah, you're right. It brings a tear to my eye, too.
 
Bobo said:
Umm, running the ball is the way teams are going nowadays. So you'd better get used to it. I have a feeling that Kubiak is going to do it even more than you'd expect. Remember, both Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell gained 1,000 yards last year. And you don't do that by passing the ball.

I have no problem with that, just mix it up a bit.
 
I'm trying to find Capers good seasons. Can anyone tell me where they are? I thought you had to have a "winning" record to call that a "good" season. Maybe one might say Capers Texans were improving over the first three seasons....but winning?

I figure it'll take us the better part of a decade to possibly reverse the losing percentage.....assuming that we are .500 or better every year.
 
bayoudreamn said:
I'm trying to find Capers good seasons. Can anyone tell me where they are? I thought you had to have a "winning" record to call that a "good" season. Maybe one might say Capers Texans were improving over the first three seasons....but winning?

I figure it'll take us the better part of a decade to possibly reverse the losing percentage.....assuming that we are .500 or better every year.

Umm, do you REALLY mean to tell me that you believe you have to have a winning record to have a "good season" -- even if it's your team's very first year of existence? You do know, don't you, that NO expansion team has ever had a winning record in their first season?
 
MightyTExan said:
I have no knock against Caper's as a person but did Brown, Holmgren and Cowher use predictable plays all the time? Run,run,pass. Run,run, sack.Run, run, audible to a run. Everyone- the opposing teams, the fans, the analysts knew the same plays we were going to run.

Is that what we did in '02?? '03?? I don't remember.... I don't recall. I also don't remember ever pass play being a hitch.....
 
MightyTExan said:
I have no problem with that, just mix it up a bit.

Problem is, when the Texans tried to throw the opposition was always on top of Carr and had him on the run. Therefore the attempted pass play often became a running play -- or else a sack. Thus, to protect the QB from getting sacked, they often ran the ball when possible. I don't think it was a question of them not trying to mix it up. They were trying to go to their strength. And like I said, don't be surprised if Kubiak runs the ball just as much as Capers did -- if not more. After all, Anderson and Bell didn't gain 1,000 yards apiece by Plummer throwing the ball.
 
A.) Neither of these coaches have won a single game "in Texans gear.
They should win a few.

B.) One has never won ANY game in the NFL in ANY gear as a head coach
He has been a coach on a winning team, I didn't specify head coach.
the other was fired last year because he didn't win ENOUGH games in GB.
Better than what we had before, I'm stoked for the season.


Proven coaches that have been on winning teams in the NFL. It's cool that we have that for our team in Houston,
 
MightyTExan said:
A.) Neither of these coaches have won a single game "in Texans gear.
They should win a few.

B.) One has never won ANY game in the NFL in ANY gear as a head coach
He has been a coach on a winning team, I didn't specify head coach.
the other was fired last year because he didn't win ENOUGH games in GB.
Better than what we had before, I'm stoked for the season.


Proven coaches that have been on winning teams in the NFL. It's cool that we have that for our team in Houston,

Umm, it's a real stretch to call these folks "proven" winners.
 
A good head coach would not tolerate the Fangio / Pendry show . Dom was a great guy and a good coach but his judgement on players and coaches was poor . :hunter:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
A good head coach would not tolerate the Fangio / Pendry show . Dom was a great guy and a good coach but his judgement on players and coaches was poor . :hunter:

I remember how there were so many complaints about Palmer and how everybody wanted him fired. I said, "Uh, you know, things aren't going to get any better with Pendry. He's just as conservative." Response: "That's a lot of bull! Fire him! Pendry will be better!" Well, guess what. They fired Palmer. Pendry wasn't any better. So what was the refrain? "Fire him! Fire him!" Hmm, come to think of it, they fired Capers. Wonder if history will repeat itself? You know, I get kind of tired of people constantly yelling for people's scalps. It gets very boring and so, so predictable. In addition, I have learned that what goes around, comes around. So all you folks who have been yelling about firing people without giving them chances to turn things around, make sure your resumes are polished up because, somehow, and I don't know how, the truth of "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" has a strange way of coming to pass.
 
Bobo said:
I remember how there were so many complaints about Palmer and how everybody wanted him fired. I said, "Uh, you know, things aren't going to get any better with Pendry. He's just as conservative." Response: "That's a lot of bull! Fire him! Pendry will be better!" Well, guess what. They fired Palmer. Pendry wasn't any better. So what was the refrain? "Fire him! Fire him!" You know, I get kind of tired of people constantly yelling for people's scalps. It gets very boring and so, so predictable. In addition, have learned that what goes around, comes around. So all you folks who have been yelling about firing people without giving them chances to turn things around, make sure your resumes are polished up because, somehow, and I don't know how, the truth of "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" has a strange way of coming to pass. Hmm, come to think of it, they fired Capers. Wonder if history will repeat itself?
Dude , I hope to reap tomatoes to make salsa . :drool: A coach's most important decision is who he hires . Bad coaching and wasted draft choices are why we are where we are . I just hope Kubiak and his coaches can take what talent we have and put an enjoyable product on the field .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Dude , I hope to reap tomatoes to make salsa . :drool: A coach's most important decision is who he hires . Bad coaching and wasted draft choices are why we are where we are . I just hope Kubiak and his coaches can take what talent we have and put an enjoyable product on the field .

A.) The assistant coaches seemed to do just fine their first three years. Don't tell me -- they all got hit with a stupid stick in year four. B.) I wouldn't say Carr, Davis, D-Rob and AJ were wasted draft choices, would you? C.) Kubiak's assistants all have very little experience as well. Their biggest reason for getting their jobs in the first place is that they are buds of Kubiak. So it should be interesting to see if you are still sounding the "A coach's most important decision is who he hires" refrain a few months from now.
 
Bobo said:
A.) The assistant coaches seemed to do just fine their first three years. Don't tell me -- they all got hit with a stupid stick in year four. B.) I wouldn't say Carr, Davis, D-Rob and AJ were wasted draft choices, would you? C.) Kubiak's assistants all have very little experience as well. Their biggest reason for getting their jobs in the first place is that they are buds of Kubiak. So it should be interesting to see if you are still sounding the "A coach's most important decision is who he hires" refrain a few months from now.

I think we have to give the chance to grow together. The first season will have its bumps but as I have stated in other threads I hope that we are seeing a coaching group that will be here for a while and really grow into something special.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think we have to give the chance to grow together. The first season will have its bumps but as I have stated in other threads I hope that we are seeing a coaching group that will be here for a while and really grow into something special.

Sounds like you're already making excuses in preparation for a letdown. If they fail, do you think it's possible they might have fallen short because they were just as inexperienced as their boss?
 
When did anybody do fine . The first year was tolerable , second year was baby steps in the right direction and then theres year three , 7-9 with several inexcusable blowouts and a loss to the lowly Browns to end the season.

As far as the young talent goes ... theirs no excuse why our young players have'nt been developed . The fact is the Texans have had a bunch of high picks and as of right now their severly underperforming , thats coaching .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
When did anybody do fine . The first year was tolerable , second year was baby steps in the right direction and then theres year three , 7-9 with several inexcusable blowouts and a loss to the lowly Browns to end the season.

As far as the young talent goes ... theirs no excuse why our young players have'nt been developed . The fact is the Texans have had a bunch of high picks and as of right now their severly underperforming , thats coaching .

Hmm. As I recall, road wins vs. Jax and the Bears where the team allowed a total of five points were indeed blowouts -- in their favor as well. And that Sunday night game at Reliant vs. the Pack wasn't exactly a blowout either. Seems to me just another case of a selective memory manifesting itself.
 
I have a question for you Bobo...

If Kubiak leads the Texans to a WINNING season this year, would that make him a better coach than Capers, in your eyes? What would your opinion of Capers be if the Texans make it to the playoffs this year?

Most everyone was happy with the Texans improvement for the first 3 years. That doesn't mean that they didn't think the Texans should have been better. The Texans had several games that they should have won, but Capers conservative game plan let the other teams pull off the win. One big example of that was the game against the Patriots in year 2 that went into overtime. Another was the game against the Rams, this past season, when a 3rd string, Ivy league, rookie QB, led the Rams back to a victory. Those games were frustrating, and IMHO, a good coach would not have let them slip away.
 
Bobo said:
Hmm. As I recall, road wins vs. Jax and the Bears where the team allowed a total of five points were indeed blowouts -- in their favor as well. And that Sunday night game at Reliant vs. the Pack wasn't exactly a blowout either. Seems to me just another case of a selective memory manifesting itself.
That Packers game is another one that I was alluding to. The Texans should have won that game, but instead let GB hang around and win.:brickwall
 
Why don't you recall the 2004 season when the Broncos beat us 31-13 followed by a 41- 14 whoopin by the Colts and a 29-7 butt kickin by the Jets . Then you go out and lose to Cleveland .

Micro managing only last so long then you better hope your guys can play . Capers was a defensive genuis who's style was to rush the QB yet our all-time sack leader has 8 sacks .

I look forward to the future and say good riddance to the past . I liked the Mario pick along with Ryans , Spencer and Winston . We did'nt make dumb trades for project DE/LBs or outcast CBs , we just picked good football players who can control the line of scrimmage .
 
Bobo said:
Umm, the way you measure if someone has "lost control" of a team is how it reacts to adversity. The fact that the team was still fired up when so far behind is not an example of "unintended humor" but a very real example of a coach who could keep his team fired up despite the adverse situation. Hopefully that's a little more clear to you now.

Rah Rah Ree! Kick 'em in the knee!
Rah Rah Ras! Kick 'em in the other knee!

You go Bobo!

Great argument that the team was fired up last year in the thumping that KC put on the Texans last year 45-17. I can do without that again, fired up or not! :)

Your other argument on Dan Reeves, that he was hired to give an opinion and Reeves said to run Capers out on a rail and hire Kubiak. Excellent argument.

Rah Rah

Sometimes you have to belly up to the bar Bobo and sometimes you get a second chance. Capers didn't get a second chance in Houston but he might somewhere else and you can follow him there while the Texans fans root for the success of Kubiak and therefore the Texans.

Go Bobo!
 
Texansbacker said:
Rah Rah Ree! Kick 'em in the knee!
Rah Rah Ras! Kick 'em in the other knee!

You go Bobo!

Great argument that the team was fired up last year in the thumping that KC put on the Texans last year 45-17. I can do without that again, fired up or not! :)

Your other argument on Dan Reeves, that he was hired to give an opinion and Reeves said to run Capers out on a rail and hire Kubiak. Excellent argument.

Rah Rah

Sometimes you have to belly up to the bar Bobo and sometimes you get a second chance. Capers didn't get a second chance in Houston but he might somewhere else and you can follow him there while the Texans fans root for the success of Kubiak and therefore the Texans.

Go Bobo!

Umm, and your point is ...?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Why don't you recall the 2004 season when the Broncos beat us 31-13 followed by a 41- 14 whoopin by the Colts and a 29-7 butt kickin by the Jets . Then you go out and lose to Cleveland .

Micro managing only last so long then you better hope your guys can play . Capers was a defensive genuis who's style was to rush the QB yet our all-time sack leader has 8 sacks .

I look forward to the future and say good riddance to the past . I liked the Mario pick along with Ryans , Spencer and Winston . We did'nt make dumb trades for project DE/LBs or outcast CBs , we just picked good football players who can control the line of scrimmage .

Good grief, man! The Broncos, Colts and Jets were all in the playoffs that year! The Texans were just in their third season! Something is seriously wrong in regards to your expectations regarding young teams. The Texans made tremendous strides in that third year and I don't recall anyone after that 2004 season denying that fact.
 
Wow...I'm not sure if Bobo is always this argumentative, or if he woke up on the side of the bed, but he seems to be taking every one of these posts as personal attacks. (Only kidding with you Bobo)

I'll see what I can do, and Bobo, I completely expect you to rip this apart, but it's offseason and fans debate like crazy.

Personally, I believe Capers is a great defensive mind, who is extremely good at putting together the foundation of a team. However, I do not feel that he was the person to take our team into the future. He is an extremely conservative coach, and played "to not lose." In his first few years, his goal was to be close enough in the 4th quarter to beat the other team. I can understand his reasoning as well, since he is a defensive minded coach. I think he was extremely loyal to his assistants, and that became a problem this past year. I was able to call the offensive plays, and even worse, the offensive audibles. That was with both Palmer and Pendry.

I find you're argument that people supported Capers in years 1-3, and therefore he must be a decent coach a little weak. First, we hadn't had football in town in a few years, and merely having the sport back made us excited. Second, he seemed to be going in the right direction the first three years. That is the key point. After year three, he made a couple bad choices that made many people question his judgement on the future of the team.

When he decided to go younger with the defense, he let a few key veterans go that would have been better if nothing else on the sideline or providing veteran leadership. I agree, we built our defense from the start out of FAs, and we needed our young guys to step up. However, they weren't ready. He let go proven players and gave unproven young players a job, and they didn't have to work for it in TC.

Our offense was improving through year 3, but the OL still needed improvement. It could have been done through FA or through the draft. Capers decided to do neither and instead wanted to change the offense we ran completely. The 3 sec. snap and throw was supposedly implemented last offseason, culminated by the 3 sec horn that shrieked to let Carr know he would be hit if that was a real game. I still cannot fathom the logic in that plan, but if it had worked out, I would have given Capers credit. However, to the dismay of many fans, when TC came around, we saw nothing of the 3 step miracle that we had worked on for so many months. This was the main reason that we came out flat during our early season. The work that the currrent team is working on right now is as important if not more important mentally than training camp is. Last year's work went to waste.

Those are a couple reasons that many people lost faith in the Capers regime. I agree with you to an extent. Capers might have been a decent coach, however some of his assistants did not help his cause. And like most organizations, the leader is responsible for everyone, and his head goes first.

Now, onto our new head coach Gary Kubiak. I'm really not sure what he did to deserve your wrath, but to me it seems that you do not like the man. If you like Capers, that is one thing, but it is a poor reason to not like someone else. You are correct, he has never won a game in the NFL. But coaches start somewhere, and he has a solid foundation learning from a proven winner in Shanahan.

Kubiak gets nothing but praise from his former boss, and he is someone whose opinion should count for something, if not the countless Denver fans who congratulated us when he was hired. He is loved in Denver, and many believe he is the real deal. He has set forth a clear plan for this team, one that does not involve giving postions away to unproven players, but involves competition for playing time. This has been one of the most active years we have had in FA, not for big names, but for a lot of smaller names that will provide competition. Capers many times wanted "not to lose." What I get from Kubiak is "I want to win." He is an outspoken person in interviews and in giving his speeches, and people catch on to that. While nothing is proven, many people believe that players reflect the attitude of their coach, and I know you keep going back to the Arizona game, but hear me out. Capers was for the most part a reserved man who took notes on the sidelines, and looked like someone who would quietly take reprimand you if you did something wrong. He was reserved. From what we have seen in his limited time in front of the podium, and in interviews, Kubiak is more outgoing. Hopefully, that is also his attitude on the sidelines, and the players catch onto that swagger.

Please note Bobo, that I did not attack you in any way, and if I did, I did not mean to. Capers is a respectable man, and will do very well in Miami. However, you're pessimism against the new coach is uncalled for. He has done nothing to show that he is incapable at the job. Only time will tell if he turns out like Capers, a man who is a great coordinator, but not the best head coach. Like many people have said before, every great head coach had to start somewhere.
 
Texans86 said:
Wow...I'm not sure if Bobo is always this argumentative, or if he woke up on the side of the bed, but he seems to be taking every one of these posts as personal attacks. (Only kidding with you Bobo)

I'll see what I can do, and Bobo, I completely expect you to rip this apart, but it's offseason and fans debate like crazy.

Personally, I believe Capers is a great defensive mind, who is extremely good at putting together the foundation of a team. However, I do not feel that he was the person to take our team into the future. He is an extremely conservative coach, and played "to not lose." In his first few years, his goal was to be close enough in the 4th quarter to beat the other team. I can understand his reasoning as well, since he is a defensive minded coach. I think he was extremely loyal to his assistants, and that became a problem this past year. I was able to call the offensive plays, and even worse, the offensive audibles. That was with both Palmer and Pendry.

I find you're argument that people supported Capers in years 1-3, and therefore he must be a decent coach a little weak. First, we hadn't had football in town in a few years, and merely having the sport back made us excited. Second, he seemed to be going in the right direction the first three years. That is the key point. After year three, he made a couple bad choices that made many people question his judgement on the future of the team.

When he decided to go younger with the defense, he let a few key veterans go that would have been better if nothing else on the sideline or providing veteran leadership. I agree, we built our defense from the start out of FAs, and we needed our young guys to step up. However, they weren't ready. He let go proven players and gave unproven young players a job, and they didn't have to work for it in TC.

Our offense was improving through year 3, but the OL still needed improvement. It could have been done through FA or through the draft. Capers decided to do neither and instead wanted to change the offense we ran completely. The 3 sec. snap and throw was supposedly implemented last offseason, culminated by the 3 sec horn that shrieked to let Carr know he would be hit if that was a real game. I still cannot fathom the logic in that plan, but if it had worked out, I would have given Capers credit. However, to the dismay of many fans, when TC came around, we saw nothing of the 3 step miracle that we had worked on for so many months. This was the main reason that we came out flat during our early season. The work that the currrent team is working on right now is as important if not more important mentally than training camp is. Last year's work went to waste.

Those are a couple reasons that many people lost faith in the Capers regime. I agree with you to an extent. Capers might have been a decent coach, however some of his assistants did not help his cause. And like most organizations, the leader is responsible for everyone, and his head goes first.

Now, onto our new head coach Gary Kubiak. I'm really not sure what he did to deserve your wrath, but to me it seems that you do not like the man. If you like Capers, that is one thing, but it is a poor reason to not like someone else. You are correct, he has never won a game in the NFL. But coaches start somewhere, and he has a solid foundation learning from a proven winner in Shanahan.

Kubiak gets nothing but praise from his former boss, and he is someone whose opinion should count for something, if not the countless Denver fans who congratulated us when he was hired. He is loved in Denver, and many believe he is the real deal. He has set forth a clear plan for this team, one that does not involve giving postions away to unproven players, but involves competition for playing time. This has been one of the most active years we have had in FA, not for big names, but for a lot of smaller names that will provide competition. Capers many times wanted "not to lose." What I get from Kubiak is "I want to win." He is an outspoken person in interviews and in giving his speeches, and people catch on to that. While nothing is proven, many people believe that players reflect the attitude of their coach, and I know you keep going back to the Arizona game, but hear me out. Capers was for the most part a reserved man who took notes on the sidelines, and looked like someone who would quietly take reprimand you if you did something wrong. He was reserved. From what we have seen in his limited time in front of the podium, and in interviews, Kubiak is more outgoing. Hopefully, that is also his attitude on the sidelines, and the players catch onto that swagger.

Please note Bobo, that I did not attack you in any way, and if I did, I did not mean to. Capers is a respectable man, and will do very well in Miami. However, you're pessimism against the new coach is uncalled for. He has done nothing to show that he is incapable at the job. Only time will tell if he turns out like Capers, a man who is a great coordinator, but not the best head coach. Like many people have said before, every great head coach had to start somewhere.

A.) Paul Brown took his expansion team to the divisional championship two years after his team went 3-11. Capers did well in his first three seasons and I see no reason why he could not have righted the ship and continued his string of successes into the future, just like Paul Brown did. B.) In case you didn't notice, conservative coaches win SBs. Look at the Ravens. Look at the Steelers, for that matter. Run as a matter of course, throw when you have to. Pretty conservative -- and they have the trophy. C.) Capers had an expansion team that was made up of NFL rejects and raw rookies. To play to stay close and hopefully find a way to win in the fourth quarter seems to be pretty smart to me when you look at the situation he was in since his team was quite understandably outmanned every week. My gosh, man, you're acting like this guy was the coach of a team that had been established for 20 years! This was a three, four-year-old team we are talking about! D.) I find it very, VERY disingenuous to pile on Capers regarding his fourth year and refusing to give him any kind of credit whatsoever for what he did in his first three. I don't think anybody who understands the game would say he didn't improve this team and didn't make a huge accomplishment in 2004. Yet, all of a sudden, folks forget all those things and have applied revisionist history regarding this team and its history. The folks in the stands in Reliant Stadium weren't cheering because they just had a team. If that was the case, then where were they from midseason in 2005 until the end? They had a team then. But they certainly weren't cheering. Heck, many of them didn't even bother to show up! The fact is, Capers gave them something to cheer about and if you're going to blast him for 2005 then you have to give him credit for the first three years. E.) Please, please, please. Don't even try to tell me that Capers didn't want to win any more than any other coach -- if not more. There is no evidence of that in how hard the players played and no evidence in the character or personality of Capers for that. Some of these unsubstantiated, wild-eyed accusations really do need to stop. And this stuff about Kubiak "I want to win" is somewhat laughable because every coach wants to win. And as far as Kubiak goes, he hasn't even been a head coach for a HS team so don't rush to a whole lot of unfounded conclusions about this guy. F.) I have a real hard time judging a coach via his sideline demeanor or what he says or doesn't say during news conferences. If sideline demeanor or news conferences or "being reserved" is any reflection of a coach's success, then Bill Bellicik would no longer be employed. G.) This has nothing to do with whether Capers was a nice guy, as I have said many times before. It has everything to do, however, with giving a man his proper due and I simply don't see that being done. All at once, Capers is a horrible football coach. Well, I was up there in the seats all of 2002, 2003 and 2004 and from what I saw at that time, you certainly wouldn't have many people who agreed with you. And those folks weren't just cheering because a football team was out there. They were cheering success and victories and exciting, intense play. And for an expansion team in its beginning years, there was plenty of all those things and plenty to cheer about. H.) Kubiak gets nothing but praise from his former boss and nothing but support from his team. Well, blah blah blah. What else do you expect? Do you think Shanahan would say, "Well, he did a good job with Elway but he does have his limitations. After all, Brian Griese certainly didn't lead us to any Super Bowls!" And do you expect his players to say, "Well, I certainly have reservations about playing for a guy who has never been a head coach on any major level." My pessimism regarding Kubiak has been well documented. I believe there is plenty of reason for being pessimistic and even fatalistic. I will not repeat my reasons for feeling this way as I have expressed my concerns many times. But the crowning blow to this mess is the fact that a guy who has never even been a head coach of a HS team is now the only so-called football guy connected with this squad calling the shots and has absolutely nobody to act as a check! Where is the hue and cry over that? This should be a source of concern for everybody, but nobody is saying a word. How many other coaches are acting in their capacity without a GM, especially one who has never been head coach of anything? I.) I never said Capers was "the best" head coach. But I will say that he was a dang good head coach who had one bad year and what happened to him was a shame. J.) As far as personal attacks go, it seems to me that this is a forum for football discussion. At least that's what it says on the website. And it seems to me we ALL should follow the rules.
 
Bobo,

In my opinion you do a very good job of manipulating a controversy. It seems that every opinion you have is expressly chosen for it's direct opposition to the general opinion of a given subject.

I'm not saying that you don't make good points in this particular subject... you have made a few decent points about Capers, but overall I disagree with you on this matter, which I believe would be to your liking.

Having said that, however, I still believe that you post simply for the sake of arguing (which I have to admit, you do well at) in many/most cases.


I am also beginning to wonder if you aren't, in fact, MONARCH...

there seem to be some similarities in word usage, sentence structure and dramatization...
 
titan hater said:
rafterticket said:
Where do you think they came from? They aren't old classmates of Gary's from Jesuit, you know.[/QUOTE]

He went to St. Pius...Please don't mention Jesuit again...We St Thomas alums tend to get offended when we see Jesuit mentioned...

Class of '80 here. Down with green weenies...Go Eagles :howdy:
 
Texans_Chick said:
2. Nice seeing Bennie catching a pass.

For God's sake, tell Bennie Joppru to go home until our opening game. We KNOW he's going to get hurt before the season starts if we don't.

He'll probably get hurt on the first play of the season, but at least he could say that he finally got to play in an NFL game.
 
vtech9 said:
I have a question for you Bobo...

If Kubiak leads the Texans to a WINNING season this year, would that make him a better coach than Capers, in your eyes? What would your opinion of Capers be if the Texans make it to the playoffs this year?

Most everyone was happy with the Texans improvement for the first 3 years. That doesn't mean that they didn't think the Texans should have been better. The Texans had several games that they should have won, but Capers conservative game plan let the other teams pull off the win. One big example of that was the game against the Patriots in year 2 that went into overtime. Another was the game against the Rams, this past season, when a 3rd string, Ivy league, rookie QB, led the Rams back to a victory. Those games were frustrating, and IMHO, a good coach would not have let them slip away.

You're failing to recognize that Bobo "wins" regardless of whether we do well or not.

If we don't do well, Bobo gets to take pleasure in our demise with the "I told you so" at his ready.

If we DO finish well, then he gets to say, "yeah, but that's because Capers had nothing to work with and Kubiak inherited soooooo much more...."

I already went over this with Bobo, and he pretty much agreed with me.

So, you guys and gals can argue with him all you want. You're wasting your time and you're pounding those computer keys for nothing.

Trying to reason with him is like trying to talk to a fence post. Good luck.
 
rafterticket said:
Jwwillis said:
I never did come back and edit my offending remark to you fellas. My apologies - I didn't grow up here, and this must be like confusing a Catholic with a Lutheran.

St. Thomas H.S. is run by Basilian Priests. It is a private, all boy, college prep H.S. The all boy thing isnt as bad as it seems; we got to raid the all girl catholic schools.
 
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