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Chron: Kubiak gets chance to size up his team
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I feel the same way Chester:
Players who have been with the Texans all four years of their existence are especially ready to start seeing progress.
"I'm excited to get out there, learn a new system and get good because I want to win games," left guard Chester Pitts said. "It's never exciting to really go practice. Who wants to do that?
"But going into my fifth season, next to my rookie year, this is the most excited I've been."
Players who have been with the Texans all four years of their existence are especially ready to start seeing progress.
"I'm excited to get out there, learn a new system and get good because I want to win games," left guard Chester Pitts said. "It's never exciting to really go practice. Who wants to do that?
"But going into my fifth season, next to my rookie year, this is the most excited I've been."
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Marcus said:I can tell that some of you already are setting yourselves up for a big letdown with the "I'm looking for instant results" crud . . .
Chill. . . else you be running around acting likeafter about the 2nd preseason game.
Sounds like you are setting yourself up also.
Minimal improvement = "I told you so"
Great improvement= " I'm so glad I was wrong"
Can't lose can you?
Voluntary in name only - not that anyone who hopes to compete would dare miss them if they were
It is refreshing to see that the players will really be competing for their jobs.
Marcus said:
I consider not being embarrassed by the play on the field to be an improvement, and I think we'll meet that minimum requirement. We'll look like a professional team on the field, we'll compete, and wins will follow at some rate.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Marcus said:Chill. . . else you be running around acting like
there is always the draft
listen even pre-season is important,YOU PLAY LIKE YOU PRACTICE, everything is important and even the smallest detail is a part of THE BIG PICTURE. some of us are for the first time are not only giddy about the prospects for improvement but feel this franchise has truely turned the corner even if its another 5 year plan we're all on board- winning will prove us out, but for those who choose the negative, prove it first mentality thats understandable for those so inclined
SnakeOilTanker
Waterboy
when do we get to see pictures. I wanna see how Mario looks in deep steel blue
beerlover said:there is always the draft
some of us are for the first time are not only giddy about the prospects for improvement but feel this franchise has truely turned the corner even if its another 5 year plan we're all on board- winning will prove us out, but for those who choose the negative, prove it first mentality thats understandable for those so inclined
First of all, let's be real. Nothing is as boring as pre-season. The teams put their first units in for a few plays and then yank them out. The only folks that get any playing time are for the most part players who won't even be around come September. Nuff said about pre-season. Secondly, Capers improved this team from 2002 to 2004 so it's not like the Texans have never gone through that experience. As far as being "giddy" goes, I feel just the exact opposite. I cheered myself hoarse for this team for four years. But with the firing of Capers and the hiring of Kubiak, I feel the excitement and intensity has disappeared. The players will always be positive because that's their job. Obviously they are hopeful they will do better, but they would be hopeful no matter who the coach is. I believe there has been a lot of revisionist history floating around regarding this team where Capers suddenly has become the worst coach ever. Funny how that wasn't the case back from 2002-4 and when people began to talk playoffs before the 2005 seaon. If the Texans were so bad and if Capers was such a bad coach, I doubt folks would have been talking like that. People don't say, "Our team stinks and our coach is awful, but we're going to the playoffs next year!" No, Capers gave them reason for optimism due to the team's performance on the field. But he had a bad year -- as did Holmgren and Paul Brown and Cowher -- and he was summarily ushered out the door. Now the team is left with an inexperienced coach as well as an inexperienced staff and they are the only football people in the organization at this time. Sorry, I see no reason to be "giddy."
I got that "guarded optimism" thing going. In other words, I'm feeling positive but keeping my expectations under control, that way you don't set yourself up for a big letdown. And it just wouldn't be realistic to get too cocky, afterall we did have the worst record in the NFL last year.
Even these "organized workouts", or whatever they call them, are of great interest to me, and when we finally get into full blown TC in July, that's a big
deal.
But I'm pretty much with Chester on this, probably my most exciting season
with the Texans since their inaugural year.
Even these "organized workouts", or whatever they call them, are of great interest to me, and when we finally get into full blown TC in July, that's a big
deal.
But I'm pretty much with Chester on this, probably my most exciting season
with the Texans since their inaugural year.
Y'know........ I kinda agree with Bobo.... The team was on an upswing since the 2002 season. & I put alot of the blame on David Carr. Many feel that is unfair, but that's the way it is. Yes, our game plan was silly last year. But I honestly think the offense regressed in the past three years.... I don't know if that was Capers being cautious...... or because he didn't feel good about David Carr.
I'm not trying to bag on David, but trying to look at the whole picture. There is usually a reason why an offense would get simpler & simpler over time, & it usually isn't because the coach grows more cautious as he gets older. Especially not when he's got the same team he's been coaching for 4 years. We didn't draft one OL in '04....... and didn't add any personnell to the line. We weren't the only ones who could see problems on our OL...... every fan of every team that played us knew it...... every coach of every team that played us knew it.... & even though the guys on ESPN never talked about us, they knew it......... are we supposed to believe Capers was the only one who didn't see it??
Then Reeves comes in, and says it isn't the talent....... we have plenty of that. Kubiak comes in, and ratifies the decision, by resigning everyone of our starters.... minus Milford Brown, who was picked up to start with that Arizona Cardinals..... a team that drafted Fitzgerald, & Bolden, who picked up Kurt Warner, and Edge, drafted Lienart....... Denny Green has made a lot of "smart" personell decisions, we can only assume this is one of them.
So who's going to start next year?? Same guys as last basically.Wand, Pitts, Flanagan(new guy) McKinney, and Wiegart/Winston(new guy)....
I'm not a coach...... and you guys know my football knowledge ain't all that. But I do help with my daughters softball team. & I've noticed when there is a particular pitcher on the mound, the rest of the team doesn't try as hard, as when one of the other girls is pitching. This particular pitcher criticises the rest of the team, and her attitude, is that she is stuck with a bad team. But they play well, for the other pitchers.
I'm not saying David criticizes the rest of the team, or that he gives off a "I'm better than you" attitude. But something isn't right, & I think Carr is at the heart of it. Hopefully, the players are giving everyone a new slate, and they can start from scratch, and really put something together.
But whatever.
I don't think this is going to be a totally new system...... We're going to improve on the zone blocking that we've run for the last two year. We're going to get the tightend more involved, we're going to protect our QB, and we are going to be more agressive., less predictable.
If we'd have been a little more aggresive last year, and less predictable, we'd have won at least 3 more games. & if our D didn't go to sleep in the 4th, we'd have won 4...... so that's 7 wins, we should've been 9-7. I'm going from there, when I predict our 13-3 in 2006.
I'm going to be disappointed if we don't make it...... but no more disappointed than any of us should be if we don't go 8-8, or if we don't make the play-offs.
I'm not trying to bag on David, but trying to look at the whole picture. There is usually a reason why an offense would get simpler & simpler over time, & it usually isn't because the coach grows more cautious as he gets older. Especially not when he's got the same team he's been coaching for 4 years. We didn't draft one OL in '04....... and didn't add any personnell to the line. We weren't the only ones who could see problems on our OL...... every fan of every team that played us knew it...... every coach of every team that played us knew it.... & even though the guys on ESPN never talked about us, they knew it......... are we supposed to believe Capers was the only one who didn't see it??
Then Reeves comes in, and says it isn't the talent....... we have plenty of that. Kubiak comes in, and ratifies the decision, by resigning everyone of our starters.... minus Milford Brown, who was picked up to start with that Arizona Cardinals..... a team that drafted Fitzgerald, & Bolden, who picked up Kurt Warner, and Edge, drafted Lienart....... Denny Green has made a lot of "smart" personell decisions, we can only assume this is one of them.
So who's going to start next year?? Same guys as last basically.Wand, Pitts, Flanagan(new guy) McKinney, and Wiegart/Winston(new guy)....
I'm not a coach...... and you guys know my football knowledge ain't all that. But I do help with my daughters softball team. & I've noticed when there is a particular pitcher on the mound, the rest of the team doesn't try as hard, as when one of the other girls is pitching. This particular pitcher criticises the rest of the team, and her attitude, is that she is stuck with a bad team. But they play well, for the other pitchers.
I'm not saying David criticizes the rest of the team, or that he gives off a "I'm better than you" attitude. But something isn't right, & I think Carr is at the heart of it. Hopefully, the players are giving everyone a new slate, and they can start from scratch, and really put something together.
But whatever.
I don't think this is going to be a totally new system...... We're going to improve on the zone blocking that we've run for the last two year. We're going to get the tightend more involved, we're going to protect our QB, and we are going to be more agressive., less predictable.
If we'd have been a little more aggresive last year, and less predictable, we'd have won at least 3 more games. & if our D didn't go to sleep in the 4th, we'd have won 4...... so that's 7 wins, we should've been 9-7. I'm going from there, when I predict our 13-3 in 2006.
I'm going to be disappointed if we don't make it...... but no more disappointed than any of us should be if we don't go 8-8, or if we don't make the play-offs.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
As is often said one can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, reports on how people are looking will be very informative. Many of us believe that Carr will be a lot better under Kubiak. The WR's and TE's should be a lot better. We will want to know how people are fitting in and how the timings look. We want to know how MW is looking. Yes, there is a lot to look forward to from both a hearing and seeing point of view. I still believe that we are going to be the shock of the league this year. The one thing that is worrisome is DD's knee. He really is a big piece of our offense.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
thunderkyss said:
I disagree with your statement on Carr, but only time will tell. The reason I disagree is if you think back who Carr hit in the back with a pass, because he wasn't ready to receive it. Basically, except for AJ we really went out and totally replaced our WR's and TE's. They changed that group of players for a reason. I think the answer was our receivers as a whole really weren't that good and nobody wanted to believe that. Remember, everyone was always saying we needed to take the pressure off of AJ. Well, no receiver we had could do that. Now, we have a new group of players who look like they are a very good unit. If Carr can't play well with this group, providing the O-line holds up, then I will agree with you.
wrestler4life
Waterboy
Curious then if Carr will be at these practices?
kcwilson
Rookie
Ibar_Harry said:
After 2-14, there are many things to be worrisome about. However, the fact that DD is still imited to not be able to participate is a giant red siren going off with bells, horns, and whistles. So basically, it has been 6 months and the knee is still a problem.
And in two months, he is going to start pounding the knee again and then really start pounding it about a month and a half after that... Then the knee needs to stay healthy for 17 weeks (plus hopefully an extra week or two).
I hope Morency gets plenty of prep time in TC, otherwise we have some real 'green' RB's to shoulder the running offense this year.
My bet is DD is reinjured by week 4. Love the guy, but starting to think that he will never be healthy for a full season.
TheCD
Rookie
thunderkyss said:
I understand this criticism, but I don't think Carr fits in this example. Perhaps last year the team started becoming critical of Carr because he wasn't helping to turn the bad luck...but look at all the hard work he's put in this offseason. I'll say that if I had my choice of being on the team that had the hardest working QB in the league...it'd definitely be the Texans. Whether we do well or not this season, Carr is making sure (as well and AJ and the other vets that have been showing up this offseason) that at least HE has done everything he can.
And anyways, they didn't play too well for Banks either...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I like Morency's game and now that he has a feel for the pro game (no more rookie jitters) I think he can become a hell of a back for us. Dom's knee is probably why we are looking so hard at extra backs this offseason (not to appear as Mr Obvious), but 'green' backs are not worrysome imo. Morency and Smith have enough NFL experience to make our running game work. I can't wait to see Lundy as well.kcwilson said:
the wonger need food
All Pro
Bobo said:
Wrong, wrong and wrong.... again. Capers had them improving until mid-way thru 2004. If you recall, they were horrible in the second half of 2004. The team gave up on Capers' and this is well documented with player statements from that stretch. That simply carried over to 2005. If Capers and his jokers were kept around for 2006 they probably wouldn't win a single game. Capers will never be a head coach in the NFL again because antiquated style does not translate to today's NFL players.
I think that the players are genuinely excited about having Kubiak onboard. They are finally going to run actual NFL schemes and play to win. They might even blow a few teams out this year.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Marcus said:I can tell that some of you already are setting yourselves up for a big letdown with the "I'm looking for instant results" crud . . .
Chill. . . else you be running around acting like
I'm just getting all giddy about the changes. If it turns out that we kick rump too, well then that's just a bonus for me!
rafterticket
Waterboy
Bobo said:
That was not a bad year. That was a bus over the cliff, after the wheels fell off, and the driver was Dom Capers, navigated by Charlie Casserly. His coordinators were the mechanics.
How you say Mike Sherman and Gary Kubiak are "inexperienced" is beyond logic, but that's okay. Actually, I think the rest of the staff has much NFL experience, too. Where do you think they came from? They aren't old classmates of Gary's from Jesuit, you know.
I don't think anyone is having a revisionist view of Dom Capers; I think they are more likely letting out what they may have thought all along. Frankly, I hated that "offense", but as long as they were on an upward arch I was going to say fine. But that wheel came off last year, and the defense went to pot (does anyone else remember how the secondary would HIT two seasons ago? I mean Jason Simmons may have played a large part in derailing Chris Brown's career with the Titans.). So no one is going to tolerate any more, and say whatever they like about that staff.
Do you really think anyone is going to praise Dom Capers? Again, personally, I can only say the word giddy because Kubiak, his staff and the front office are making ACTUAL, REAL-LIVE football decisions that look like they are moving the team in a forward direction. (I am still trying to figure out who Jason Babin was in college.) Outside of the gut-wrenching shocker Kubes dropped on us, and now that it has worn off, he probably made some pretty good choices this draft.
I'll be giddy again just if the first units LOOK good in preseason (win or no win, who cares, it's preseason), and giddy a third time just if they make it back to 8-8. I miss that swagger we all had as fans when we swept the Titans and the Jags. I'm not asking for much - just a clear sign we are moving forward once more.
DRAMA
Rookie
Inexperience? Jerry Glanville has experience...maybe we could hire him and that would 'allow' us to be giddy?
Let's see - Dunta, AJ, and Davis had NO experience in the NFL but we drafted them. Bob McNair had NO experience as an NFL owner but he bought a team. For goodness sakes, most of the cheerleaders had NO experience dancing with fakes b00bs but they learned!!
Do you know what Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belicheck, Bill Parcells, and Vince Lombardi have in common? At one time, they were ALL inexperienced...
Let's see - Dunta, AJ, and Davis had NO experience in the NFL but we drafted them. Bob McNair had NO experience as an NFL owner but he bought a team. For goodness sakes, most of the cheerleaders had NO experience dancing with fakes b00bs but they learned!!
Do you know what Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belicheck, Bill Parcells, and Vince Lombardi have in common? At one time, they were ALL inexperienced...
Marcus said:I can tell that some of you already are setting yourselves up for a big letdown with the "I'm looking for instant results" crud . . .
Chill. . . else you be running around acting like
Winning more than 2 games this year constitutes "instant results". I for one think the Texans can do that.
titan hater
Waterboy
rafterticket said:
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
Does anybody know what time they are going to practice today? I was just interested in how the OL and Mario Williams are getting along.
GP
Go Texans!
Bobo said:
One good season, which SHOULD have led to a playoff season.
It didn't, and not only did it NOT get us even a sniff of the playoff hunt...it was also a defining season in terms of winning only two games which left no doubt that any successes in the past seasons were a result of our players somehow overcoming the coach's flawed system/philosophy.
Capers was never disliked as a person, but he did no favors to anybody by apparently (in my opinion) continuing to do things his way and not the way it should have been done per our team's players and their strengths.
Capers comes from the old school of coaching that says a coach is entirely the one who calls plays, etc., etc. And the players do it.
We're in a new era where players are gifted enough to be trusted on their instincts and their talent, and to even sometimes be given some creative license to script playcalling as the game occurs, and Carr never had a prayer (excuse the pun) of being allowed to do anything more than call the shots for a mere one half of the Arizona game. Nope. Capers had his sheet of plays, which consisted mostly of quick hitches and dump-off passes to the running back. Oh, and that snazzy "audible" that he allowed Carr to use...which was a very sad joke when you think about it. Sad.
And apparently the owner of this team, the consultant, and the new head coach all feel that Carr's playcalling in the Zona game was enough to show that the coach was flawed and the player(s) is NOT. Thus, it was time to transition this team into the hands of a vastly MORE successful offensive-minded coach who I promise will run circles around Capers' efforts.
BullPenPhotos
Moderator
SnakeOilTanker said:
Pictures have been posted...The only thing I can add is that Mario is one BIG solid dude...
Practice Photos
Shantee Orr 6'0" 235lbs....Mario Williams 6'6" 291lbs
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kingh99
Guest
Bobo said:
Bobo, man Capers was a fly catcher. He stood on the sidelines gap mouthed with nothing to say. Nada. Zilch. Terrible terrible leader. Get over it. It doesn't become you to try and defend the defunct regime. They are all gone now. And for a reason. They stunk.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Bobo said:
Please tell me that you are being Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton-provocatively-funny-on-purpose. This is hysterical.
Mike Holmgren-link
Paul Brown-link
Bill Cowher-link
Dom Capers-link
Please. For the love of football and all that is holy, please stop comparing Dom Capers to Holmgren, Brown and Cowhers. I know wiki-ing you is a little excessive, and I like Capers as a person lot, but GEEZ, only you and, (making a big assumption here), Mrs. Capers would believe that Dom Capers is Mr. Excitement. And certainly he has not built up enough good will in his career to get through a season as ugly as the 2005 Texans season and not expect to get canned. C'mon now, this is getting silly.
(BTW, are you Dom Caper's wife? Just curious.)
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
BullPenPhotos said:
Andy, nice photos as always. BIG UPS!
A few thoughts about the pics.
1. Mathis' hands look OK from afar. (not bandaged)
2. Nice seeing Bennie catching a pass.
3. Kubiak and Sherman are both wearing long sleeve shirts outside????? Got a little cold front through, but nothing worthy of long sleeves. They must be keeping the offices mighty cold and they just didn't think to change out of them.
4. HURRAY FOR FOOTBALL!!!!
A.) Tony Clifton? And isn't Andy Kaufman dead? B.) You say not to compare the three to Capers, then you go ahead and compare them. You many not realize it, but you've only buttressed my point even more by showing all three guys came back to accomplish great things after having awful seasons. Unfortunately, Capers was never given that chance in Houston.
Bobo said:
I'm giddy because I think the Texans will be the most improved team in the league next year. I think the offense will be much improved if for no other reason...they will not be as predictable as they were last year. The reason David Carr got sacked so much was because the offense was so predictable. The defense will still need some work but I think adding veteran leadership like Cowart will help.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I think Tony Clifton was the unfunny alter ego of Andy Kaufman...Capers was given four years and that is enough for any coach.Bobo said:
kingh99 said:
A.) So you're going to judge a coach by the way he looks on the sideline? EVERY coach looks stupid on the sidelines! You've got to be kidding. B.) You say he was a terrible leader? Then you obviously weren't there for the KC game like I was when the Texans came onto the field after halftime fired up even though they were behind something like 31-7. You say THAT is the work of "a terrible terrible leader?" And why was everyone talking playoffs before the 2005 season? Like I said, nobody would be saying that if they thought the coach and the team were awful. Admit it. The guy took a team from its infancy with absolutely nothing to work with but NFL rejects and raw rookies to within a .500 season in just three years and improved the team every year. To say that he was "a terrible leader" is obviously untrue. And if you look at the Capers era, he CERTAINLY didn't "stink." He had one bad year -- just like Paul Brown, Holmgren and Cowher. Did they "stink" too? C.) Oh, I know they're gone. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a huge, huge mistake to fire Capers and that certainly doesn't mean compounding the mistake with Kubiak and his inexperience and spotty results as an assistant should be overlooked and ignored. You know you're in trouble when your team's head coach would improve his resume if he was a HC in Pop Warner football.
trane said:
Where do you get the idea that they will not be as predictable? As I recall, it wasn't like Kubiak pulled off a lot of surprises in Denver during his 11-year reign as an assistant coach. He ran the ball an awful lot -- just like Pendry and Palmer did. And Carr did NOT get sacked a lot because the offense was "predictable." He got sacked simply because the guys up front did not get the job done. As far as Cowart goes, he may not even start.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Bobo said:
Andy Kaufman late in his career did intentionally awful stunts in a sort of odd comedy. Wrestling and saying ugly things to the home crowds. And duh yeah, he is dead.
During this late time in his career, Tony Clifton was his alter ego. He dressed up as this hideous insult comic that just bombed.
The wrestling Andy and Tony Clifton were so bad and ill-conceived they were funny in a truly strange, mad genius way.
If you need more wiki to connect. the. dots. on this, here you go: Link: Andy_Kaufman
Sometimes you say things that are so bizarrely bad they are funny. I would put your Caper = Cowher, Brown & Holmgren stuff in that Clifton category.
I am at a loss for words.
Perhaps Andy Kaufman is not dead.
gpshafer_1976 said:
Pardon me, but saying Capers had one good season is ridiculous. This guy began with nothing -- absolutely nothing. The only thing he had to work with were players that the other NFL teams basically didn't care enough to protect during the expansion draft and raw, green rookies. Using that, he took the team to four wins in 2002 and increased that to five in 2003 with basically the same group of NFL rejects and raw rookies. If you don't think those were good seasons for an expansion team, then you don't know much about the ins and outs of an expansion football team. As far as "getting a sniff" of the playoffs, did you honestly, REALLY believe that was going to happen when the Texans were actually only in the running for TWO wildcard positions since there was no way they were going to win their division? The only thing you can fault Capers on is having a very bad season last year. You can also fault Holmgren for that a few years back ... as well as Cowher and as well as Paul Brown. Now, if you're going to fire a coach for one bad season, then I guess you would have fired Holmgren, Cowher and Brown as well. Problem is, if you would have done that, then neither Holmgren nor Cowher would have been around for their SB runs and Brown would have never won his divisional title two years after his team went 3-11. As far as McNair goes, he isn't a football guy and he's said that on many occasions. That's why he brought in Reeves. And bringing in a former HC who obviously wouldn't mind being back in the saddle and asking him to evaluate a coach's job is really kind of silly. Oh, BTW. Gone are the days of QBs calling their own plays. That occurred a long, long time ago. They are allowed to audible and I do believe Carr audibled when he thought it was right to do so. So what's the beef?
Texans_Chick said:
And I find the refusal to give Capers any credit at all for the excitement, intensity and fervor he brought back to Houston just as funny. Well, not funny. Kind of sad, actually. It's kind of sad that folks so quickly forget about how much excitement, fervor and intensity Capers brought to this town. He has one bad season, and it's like the other three didn't exist. Short memories and revisionist history seem to be par for the course for many fans in Houston. Pardon me, but the comparison to Brown, Holmgren and Cowher is very, very legit. Your failure to speak to that point is duly noted.
MightyTExan
It's go time!
I have no knock against Caper's as a person but did Brown, Holmgren and Cowher use predictable plays all the time? Run,run,pass. Run,run, sack.Run, run, audible to a run. Everyone- the opposing teams, the fans, the analysts knew the same plays we were going to run.
mexican_texan said:
Four years to do what? Win the SB? Get into the playoffs? When he started with absolutely NOTHING? I find it somewhat incredulous that many folks think that being the coach of an expansion team starting its first year is the same as coaching any other established team. To believe that is to have absolutely no knowledge of what it takes to put a team together from nothing. It took the Saints 20 years to finally put together a winning season. And there was a reason for that. It's because it is very, very hard to build up a team from scratch. It's different than someone like, say, Marvin Lewis taking over for the Bengals. He already had his infrastructure in place, his scouting system set up, etc. etc. In other words, he had something to work with. When Capers came in, he had NOTHING to work with! There was nothing -- and I mean NOTHING -- that was there from the previous season. Bottom line: What Capers did over four years from scratch was fantastic. He deserved another shot due to his previous accomplishments and didn't get it -- something Capers, Holmgren and Brown did get. Instead, they bring in a guy who has never been head coach of anything -- possibly not even a Pop Warner team. Pardon me for shaking my head in disdain and saying, "Tsk, tsk." Something simply is not right.
MightyTExan said:
Umm, running the ball is the way teams are going nowadays. So you'd better get used to it. I have a feeling that Kubiak is going to do it even more than you'd expect. Remember, both Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell gained 1,000 yards last year. And you don't do that by passing the ball.
Inexperience? Jerry Glanville has experience...maybe we could hire him and that would 'allow' us to be giddy?
Let's see - Dunta, AJ, and Davis had NO experience in the NFL but we drafted them. Bob McNair had NO experience as an NFL owner but he bought a team. For goodness sakes, most of the cheerleaders had NO experience dancing with fakes b00bs but they learned!!
Do you know what Jimmy Johnson, Bill Belicheck, Bill Parcells, and Vince Lombardi have in common? At one time, they were ALL inexperienced...
A.) You miss the point. There was no reason to hire anybody in the first place. B.) You might want to compare apples and apples rather than apples and oranges. Your rookie players/cheerleaders vs. rookie coaches analogy is apples to oranges. Oh, I suppose you wouldn't mind if a guy who never operated on anybody made his first incision on you when you went into surgery. After all, somebody has to be the first guy -- right?
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Bobo said:
2-14 in the year we were expected to make the playoffs. By the fourth year, Capers should not have had to deal with a first overall pick.
the wonger need food said:
"The team gave up on Capers mid-way through 2004?" Hmm, let's check that out, shall we?
| 10 | at Indianapolis Colts | L | 14-49 |
| 11 | Green Bay Packers | L | 13-16 |
| 12 | Tennessee Titans | W | 31-21 |
| 13 | at New York Jets | L | 7-29 |
| 14 | Indianapolis Colts | L | 14-23 |
| 15 | at Chicago Bears | W | 24- 5 |
| 16 | at Jacksonville Jaguars | W | 21- 0 |
| 17 | Cleveland Browns | L | 14-22 |
Hmm. Seems to me they went 3-5 in the last eight games of 2004, including two losses to Indy and a real close one to GB on that Sunday night game. And seems to me that during that stretch where "the team gave up on him," Capers took them to two road wins near the end of said season -- one against Jax -- and in those two weeks the defense allowed a grand total of five points. Yep. They gave up on him. Right. I'd like to see the "documentation" you were talking about because the record certainly doesn't indicate that. This seems like just more revisionism that simply isn't backed up by the facts. As for you saying that if Capers was kept on the Texans probably wouldn't win a single game, I imagine you would have said that about Paul Brown when he went 3-11 with the expansion Bengals in Year 3. Thing is, the next year they went 8-6. And the next year they won the division. As far as the players being excited about Kubiak, heck, the players are simply excited about the beginning of the season. I don't care if Phyllis Diller was coaching them -- they'd be up for 2006. After all, what do you expect them to say? "Well, to be honest, I have real reservations about playing for a guy who has never even been head coach of a Pop Warner team." Do you expect them to say that? The only time you'd hear that would be after the guy's gone. Then they'd say all kinds of things about them. It's not good for job security or team morale for a player to say bad things about his coach. Not even Terrell Owens ventured much into that area.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Bobo said:
Really, you can't be earnestly saying this stuff.
1. Having the NFL back in Houston is exciting. Capers brand of football was, well, non-exciting. There were some moments of good, but there was little to suggest over the last season and a half that we were fixing to turn the corner. It fact, it got down right ugly--uglier than even the first season. Not just losing, but losing in baffoon-like ways.
2. Hall of fame coaches do not equal non-hall of fame coaches.
Hall of fame coaches get to have a few bad seasons. Non-hall of fame coaches do not.
I don't know how I could explain this any more clearly without invoking:
