its not like the guy wasnt compensated for his time here. he was a very well paid punching bag.
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Chron FanBlog: Texans Courting Quinn
- Thread starter Exithios
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its not like the guy wasnt compensated for his time here. he was a very well paid punching bag.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
Maybe its just me, but i'm not reall y all that high on Quinn or Kolb. IMO We need starters, depth, skill position players and only average QB play atm.
IMO If Quinn is drafted by Houston he will be holding a clipboard and we cant afford that right now - we need starters in the first 3 rounds of this draft and the next 2...
Honestly if its me at the table -I would sign an average QB to compete with Carr in camp and spend our money getting more starters for the team. This draft is deep in defensive talent - IMO hope the FO uses their heads when drafting and either trades down for more picks or keeps the pick and goes BPA - and not a QB. If quinn is there @ 8 I would shop the heck out of that pick. and try and get another 1 or 2 first day picks for it which usually translates to starters.
IMO If Quinn is drafted by Houston he will be holding a clipboard and we cant afford that right now - we need starters in the first 3 rounds of this draft and the next 2...
Honestly if its me at the table -I would sign an average QB to compete with Carr in camp and spend our money getting more starters for the team. This draft is deep in defensive talent - IMO hope the FO uses their heads when drafting and either trades down for more picks or keeps the pick and goes BPA - and not a QB. If quinn is there @ 8 I would shop the heck out of that pick. and try and get another 1 or 2 first day picks for it which usually translates to starters.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
I don't think there is any way we trade up for Quinn. We could take him, but we won't give up picks to do it. If Quinn goes before us then it means a highly rated player drops to our spot. If anything it sounds like we are trying to scare a team into trading up ahead of us to take him and guarantee another player fall to us.
Of course now that I've said it I doubt it ever happens (the someone trading ahead of us.). I remember before the Hollings trade, and really didn't know anything about the guy except for his ypc, and I had some mindless thought that the Texans would give up a second for him. I didn't know what the #$%& I was talking about but unfortunately it was enough of a ridiculous idea that it became exactly what CC did. I just hope I haven't jinxed the draft. (And that includes saying that the Texans won't trade up for Quinn...that statement probably raised the probability a little.)
Of course now that I've said it I doubt it ever happens (the someone trading ahead of us.). I remember before the Hollings trade, and really didn't know anything about the guy except for his ypc, and I had some mindless thought that the Texans would give up a second for him. I didn't know what the #$%& I was talking about but unfortunately it was enough of a ridiculous idea that it became exactly what CC did. I just hope I haven't jinxed the draft. (And that includes saying that the Texans won't trade up for Quinn...that statement probably raised the probability a little.)
texans83
Rookie
Why so when we have so many holes to fill you dont want to fill the most inportant one? I just dont understand, by the time he is ready which will be after this year we will have 50mil in cap space and hopefully would have had 2 great drafts. By the time he would go in it would be a completly diff team. If you feel other holes now and wait on a qb you will just be doing the same thing later down the road. People want to win so bad now but im sorry we arent giong to win the super bowl next year. get over it. We have to start over and Kubes/Smith are doing a good job of it so far.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
wah wah wah....cry more please...carr has sucked since Day One...he is the problem not the solution
R
real
Guest
This is the exact reason we wont trade up for Quinn...
If we trade up with Clevland, we'd be gauranteed either Joe Thomas, AP, or Calvin Johnson....Which IMO are the top three picks in the draft...
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
translation: my peepee hurts
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
texans83
Rookie
I doubt they would take AP, I would love JT or CJ or BQ so any of those would be great.
I agree with that.
What if we get 2 starters on Day one, and 2 starters on Day two(say like an Owen Daniels & an Eric Moulds) & someone who did contribute & shows some promise like Lundy & Anderson?? would it be so bad if we get all that, plus a franchise QB??
If we don't think he's a franchise QB, pass on him, trade him & the spot for more picks. But if we think he's a franchise QB, & we have an opportunity to get him, let's get him. Hopefully, we won't be in this position for a long time to come.
Let's cut Carr, spend the money we save($5million) on getting more starters. Let Sage, BVP, Ramsey, and anybody else we can get into camp to compete for the job, let Quinn learn & adjust to the NFL.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I never said scoring points was the issue. My point was the offense didn't control the game with Brady Quinn at the helm in those big games. I really don't care for the excuses when a player plays for top tier school with a highly regarded offensive minded coach from the NFL. In two years, they should have been able to pull one big game out. Maybe it wasn't Quinn's fault, but I just don't see how he is that special to carry a team like the Texans.
Also, you guys imply a team scoring 45 points is completely the fault of the opposing defense. But, if an offense doesn't control the clock and leaves a short field, it makes it harder for the defense to do their job.
Also, I never said Quinn wouldn't be of any use to an NFL team.
Given the current state of affairs right now, the Texans really don't need to be investing in a QB prospect that isn't that much different that is out there every year. Quinn has talent but I don't see how is going to perform better with less with the Texans, which I think we can all agree is the case and is Carr's issue right now.
R
real
Guest
I really....really....really....really....HATE....to argue against this, but....
Before Weiss showed up at Notre Dame, they were pretty much obsolete...They didn't have a lot of talent, and little to no playmakers...
None of that changed in the short time that Weiss had the team...How could it have changed within a 2 yr span ? How could he have brought in that many talented players at one time ?
So that means the only thing that really changed for them was the coach, and the system...
No coach or system is going to take a team that has that little talent and have them competing against top tier teams and the Nt'l champion...You HAVE to have a QB for that to happen...i.e the Jets, Saints, Titans...
Simplified: Notre Dame had the talent level of Georgia Tech...if that...
But they were still able to hang with big time teams BECAUSE they had a competent Qb that could make plays when the needed them most...
Which is the exact opposite of what we have now...
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I just don't see great things from Quinn. He's good, but that is about it.
I agree he has the physical tools, but there is just something not there to make an immediate impact for the Texans in my opinion.
From all accounts, he has a very strong and determined work ethic, but I just don't see him carrying an NFL team, which is what the Texans need right now if they are going to take a QB in the first round this year.
texans83
Rookie
Ok now you are just saying things just to argue. We have already told you the things that make him great. Things that make him diffrent then anyone else in this draft.
R
real
Guest
I don't think Quinn is a VY/Peyton Manning flashy type QB who can almost single handedly take a game over....
But I do think he is a Drew Brees/ tom Brady type guy who can get the ball to his weapons consistently...
IMO, that's all we need at this point....
But hey, I respect your opinion, and by no means is Brady Quinn a sure thing.
And there is nothing wrong with that....
But if he isn't that special(like you & I think) do you think Kubiak/Smith would draft him instead of drafting another talented player at a position of need, or use the oportunity to draft him, to trade down, and acquire more picks??
I don't, especially when there are guys like JaredZabransky, Kolb, Stanton, and Leak that will be available later in the draft, and might even go undrafted.
In my mind, if Kubiak takes him, he sees something in Quinn that the others don't have. & I trust Kubiak enough to make that decision.
that is of course unless a certain QB starts for this team in '07... then he loses all credibility as far as I'm concerned.
texans83
Rookie
Well Kubes must see something in him bc He was the only head Coach at his Pro day.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Before I answer that question, I would like to know if Kubiak was sold on Carr this time last year before Carr was paid that $8 million.
If Carr was a package deal for Kubiak to get the job, fair enough and I will trust Kubiak's decision on Quinn. However, if he was sold on Carr and oked the $8 million and is ditching Carr one year later and drafting Quinn, that really concerns me.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
It's really a different perspective than an arguement.
I am sure this issue is being heavily discussed if the Texans are serious about Quinn.
I am not really against Quinn as much as filling other needs first.
The QB position is a mess right now and I think trying to recover from that right now may not be the best course of action.
StateChamps06
Practice Squad
I agree, if Quinn is still on the board I'd jump all over it. It'll be very intereting to see how Quinn will shape in the next few years under Kubiak. If all else fails, Javorskie Lane will be in the draft in one or two years. That guy is freaking insane. Plus, he made the Texas secondary look like a bunch of fifth graders.
Farough
Rookie
Quinn had the big win sealed up in his junior season, against USC.. but their horrific defense managed to allow a long play on 4th and 10 to screw it up.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Quinn should have won that gooossh!! That was such a pretty play leinart to jarrett? ND actually had that pass all covered i still don't know how he caught it. ND also caused Leinart to fumble it on the 1 but it went out of bounds. Then there was the heads up 'slightly illegal? push by bush. that was a sweet game although i wanted ND to win.
I'm really starting to get sad. If carr is gonna be gone and it's sage/ramsey...i'm hoping Quinn falls to us and we take him. The only thing that would be cool is if the Texans came out with a Green jersey...lol you know how ND wore green on special occasions...okay i'll stop.
Landry is still my #1 boy but ....Quinn is sneaking up there if our team solidifies these rumors. I don't see us trading carr, if we do, untill draft day and we see what the deal is with the players getting selected.
Everyone think carr's best chance is oakland??
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
This should be an automatic reply on the board everytime someone brings up what an outside newspaper suggests or 'hears'.
I know this is from a blog on the Houston Chronicle, but the quote is from Minneapolis.
Which isn't to say I don't want them posted....hell I post them. Just that they should be taken with a grain of salt.
Wolf
100% Texan
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2007/03/texans_still_courting_brady_qu.html
This honestly would make me sick
If we are to give anything up to move up...better be for Adrian Peterson.
This honestly would make me sick
If we are to give anything up to move up...better be for Adrian Peterson.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
I would love to have Quinn, but he'll probably fall to 8, anyway.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
It's even worse if they trade up for Quinn.
If they draft Quinn by trading up and it doesn't pan out and the Texans continue to struggle, meanwhile VY takes the Titans to a deep playoff run for several years, or even worse a Super Bowl victory, the Franchise will lose all credibility.
How can you say in one year you don't have a QB issue, reup a guy for $8 million so you can't draft a QB while you are sitting at the #1 pick, then get rid of the $8 million guy the following year to end up trading up to get Quinn.
The total cost of ownership for Quinn is too big to handle.
Best bet right now, is to ride out this QB mess because I don't think Quinn is good enough to carry the load that will be required for him to be considered successful.
If you thought there were high expectations for Carr, they are going to be higher for Quinn, and is Quinn that good to carry the team if it comes to that? I don't think so because he couldn't carry Notre Dame on his back with Charlie Weiss as the offensive minded guru.
Just as last year wasn't a normal year for the Texans to pickup a QB, same thing this year. They missed the boat and trying to draft out of this QB mess is too risky.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
brilliant analysis.