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Chester Pitts looks GREAT

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They are so frustrated with Freeney vs. Pitts they are having to move Freeney inside to make things happen. This is a huge bright spot for the team's future if he can keep this up through the end of the year.
 
I've been watching that matchup myself.

I guess we don't need D'Brickashaw after all, y'all.:rolleyes:
 
Marcus said:
I've been watching that matchup myself.

I guess we don't need D'Brickashaw after all, y'all.:rolleyes:
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Pitts is a better guard that tackle, and Ferguson will be a great LT in the league.
 
BuffSoldier said:
Pitts is a better guard that tackle, and Ferguson will be a great LT in the league.
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Actually, Pitts is a better tackle than guard. Playing tackle requires more agility and quickness than brute stength. Playing guard requires more brute strength.

If they do draft D'Brickashaw, they should move Pitts to RT, as Wade is clearly too slow to play that position. IMO, Wade is just a higher paid Seth Wand.
 
Marcus said:
Actually, Pitts is a better tackle than guard. Playing tackle requires more agility and quickness than brute stength. Playing guard requires more brute strength.

If they do draft D'Brickashaw, they should move Pitts to RT, as Wade is clearly too slow to play that position. IMO, Wade is just a higher paid Seth Wand.
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I agree. I think Pitts would make an awesome RT.
 
How about an O-line of:

DBrick..McKinny..DHog..Wade...Pitts

Should play to their strengths. Wade is a good run blocker and SHOULD hold up inside on pass, Pitts can run block and is pretty solid at pass protect, we have seen that DHog does will at center, McKinny has been solid a LG and HOPEFULLY DBrick will be as solid at LT as everyone thinks. This looks to me like it could work without having to go out and buy a lot of expensive FA's. We should also pick up a couple of more interior O-line types in late 3-5 rounds. Use the 2nd to pick up the best TE available and the 1st #3 for a defensive player (lineman, LB or DB just the best available at that point).
 
Marcus said:
Actually, Pitts is a better tackle than guard. Playing tackle requires more agility and quickness than brute stength. Playing guard requires more brute strength.
If they do draft D'Brickashaw, they should move Pitts to RT, as Wade is clearly too slow to play that position. IMO, Wade is just a higher paid Seth Wand.
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Yea, this is what many have been suggesting lately. And the skills required to
play tackle are more difficult to find and therefor bring a higher price in the
market. That's why its so difficult to understand how the team could have
wasted Chesters value to the team by playing him at guard and not tackle.
Obviously they should have left him at LT in 2004 instead of moving him to guard and then Wand to LT. Then not playing him at LT at the beginning of this year instead of fooling around with Riley at LT was another move the Texans made which is difficult to comprehend ?
 
edo783 said:
DBrick..McKinny..DHog..Wade...Pitts
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I'd like to try that myself. Based on how good the line played before DHog got hurt, I think it would work well.
 
Eric Winston LT Miami is the better tackle. Pitts can play the LT for another half a season while Winston gets his feel for the game at RT and then they will switch and we have the two bookend tackles we have craved for so long. Also I doubt McKinney is back next year due to his inflated salary.

Pitts/Winston, Weigert/FA, Hogdon/FA, Wade, Pitts/Winston
 
Coach C. said:
Also I doubt McKinney is back next year due to his inflated salary.
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Could very well be, but you know, I think McKinney does deserve some credit
and he has some value to the team. Like Chester, he always plays and is never out with an injury. He's also versatile as he can play center or guard.
I guess Weigert is definitely better than McKinney, but the guy is injured and on the sidelines a lot of the time.
 
If McKinney will agree to some type of extention that gives him a benefit later and decreases our cap so we can play in the FA water this year then he will stay. I also doubt Weigert being around. He has alot of cash tied up in him and I may be wrong but he has not made it through a full season yet. Due to this I will make this change.
Pitts/Winston, McKinney/FA, Hogdon/FA(please spend to get Lecharles Bentley), Wade/Weigert, Pitts/Winston.

Is that better.
 
I thought McKinney looked good at guard.

For all of this promise we are seeing.. Carr is still leading the league in sacks.

Pitts, McKinney, and Hodgdon.. those are the three guys id like to see on our line next season. I wouldnt mind seeing Wand at RT.

But anyway.. I think we could AFFORD to not take a tackle in the first round.. assuming we had someone savvy enough to get us a good Oline prospect or two in the middle rounds.
 
If there is a plus on this line, it is our new found glory-Chester Pitts. For the last 4 games (2 against Freeney) he has looked stellar. His quick feet help him alot. I don't know about yall, but I think we have found something here. I personally am thrilled that Capers is keeping him where he belongs, Left Tackle!!!
 
Coach C. said:
Eric Winston LT Miami is the better tackle. Pitts can play the LT for another half a season while Winston gets his feel for the game at RT and then they will switch and we have the two bookend tackles we have craved for so long. Also I doubt McKinney is back next year due to his inflated salary.

Pitts/Winston, Weigert/FA, Hogdon/FA, Wade, Pitts/Winston
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if the Texans trade down but stay in the top 10 (aquire 1st rd pick from a Cleveland for example) and select Winston why could'nt the Texans still leave Pitts set at LT and move Eric to LG, he is great in run blocking & likes to pancake guys, plus his lateral movement is not as quick as it used to be, I think he would make an outstanding LG and Pitts until proven otherwise should be the Texans LT.

LT Pitts LG Winston C Hogdon RG Weigert/Draft pick/FA RT Wade/Draft pick/FA
 
Let's take a deep breath here. Yes, Pitts has looked pretty good but he has been getting a lot of double team help. Not just against Freeney but against Seattle as well. Yes, "everyone" double teams Freeney, I know that. Just don't give Pitts all the credit for handling Freeney. The coaches pretty much restricted our offense to double team both DEs.

Again, yes he's done pretty well. Heck - he even gets irritated that he is getting so much help. Maybe the coaches need to loosen up a bit.
 
Actually, I am so up about this guy, I had my wife watching with me every time we were on O and I did nothing but watch him the whole game. He didnt get much help with any double teams the whole game. They actually had the TE on the right side most of the game. It seems like they think he can hold his own over there, so why not double team the other side to try and create a pocket.

As for draft, get a LT and put him at RT the first year, if hes not ready, because Pitts is.
 
McKinney is horrible, he gave up another sack this game, it wasn't on Carr either.
 
I agree completely, it seems as if the line is blocking better though, but David seems to be getting rid of the ball too soon now, anyone agree?
 
McKinny seemed to do pretty well at LG, but at Center he has NEVER been anything but marginal at best. We seemed to be getting our line working with the line of:
Pitts..McKinny..DHog..Can't remember...Wade

Then the wheels fall of when DHog gets hurt and a couple of others and we are back to having a turnstyle for a line.
 
Yes Pitts is a Good Tackle, yes Wand is a bust, but if we draft it will be tough,

First Off we got a easy schedule,if we play respectable, win games again Kansas City,St.Louis, Arizona, And San Fransico, heck even Baltimore, we could get a top 10 pick, trade away a high priced o-lineman and Buchanon for some picks, heck we could be like the bears this year,true they're in a weak divison, even though their record doesnt say that (6-3). All we need to do is Draft Right, sign key free agents(not like we did with pace:(.

Here is what i would like to see next year

Draft 2006

Round 1: An O-lineman(Dbrick:) ) or a second reciever
Round 2: One of the above
Round 3: A corner back to oppose Dunta Robinson



Offense

QB: David Carr
HB: Dominick Davis
FB: Moran Norris
WR1: D're Johnson
WR2: I dont know Gaff Mathis or a Draft pick?
LT: Pitts DUH!
LG: McKinney
C: Hodgedon
RG:Wade?
RT: D'Brick


Defense

LE:Freeney!(like thats gonna happen:pigfly: ) G-Funk
RE:TJ
DT:Seth Payne
DT:Not Sure?????
LOLB: Jason Babin
MLB: Kaillee Wong (Get well soon:texflag: )
MLB: Morlon Greenwood Mon
ROLB: Antwan "to rich to pay child support' Peek
CB1: D ROB!
CB2: Draft Pick or Pettey
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: CC Brown

Special Teams

PK: Kris"Klutch"Brown
P: Chad "MVP" Stanley
PR: Jerome Mathis
KR: Jerome Mathis
 
Marcus said:
Actually, Pitts is a better tackle than guard. Playing tackle requires more agility and quickness than brute stength. Playing guard requires more brute strength.

If they do draft D'Brickashaw, they should move Pitts to RT, as Wade is clearly too slow to play that position. IMO, Wade is just a higher paid Seth Wand.
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I guess we all pretty much have the same thought, draft a left tackle, move Pitts to right. We should also have a pretty high second round to where we could draft a guard. Any one have any ideas?

This would pretty much solidify the line for the next 10-15 years, as long as salary cap lets us, O-linemen have a long life span barring injuries. Pitts, Mckinney, Hog, and two draft picks this year, we could be nearing the end of a five year struggle.

Is that a light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it an on coming train?
 
TEXANRED said:
Is that a light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it an on coming train?
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Oncoming train? :)

The line has now had one good game against one good team. It doesn't mean our problems are solved, and unlike some of what I've seen on the boards, I think it will take more than replacing one lineman.

That being said, I hope the line continues to play better, but with all the trouble they've had, I'm not expecting much from them at the end of this season. I am still sticking with my 6-10 final standings for the Texans.
 
you know a lot of our problems with this line is due to casserly making the trade for buchanan...how many of us before that trade was hopeing for a guard and a center to be drafted in the middle rounds of last years draft...rounds 3-5...but that's all in the past now...in my opinion with Pitts playing really really good at LT will be our LT next year no matter who we draft...mainly to give the new guy time to get his feet wet at the RT position or the LG position...meaning we trade down...let the rest of teams give us many picks for the bush/leinart sweepstakes...be a really good tackle in the first round like scott or winston about the half-way mark in the first round and pick up a 1st rounder next year a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year...with those additional picks make sure you pick up david joseph if he's available, a big time TE, and a solid 4-3 DE (cause the new coach will use the 4-3 defense)
 
I've been one of the few guys who have been in Chester's corner around here consistently over the years. I wish we never moved him from LT his second year because that was the best year our line has had since the start of the franchise. When we moved him out in year 3 this whole line grew worse and worse while the best LT on the team was not playing LT. Kudos to Chester - he never played HS ball and he now has never missed a game as a Pro. He has come a long way...and he is a good guy.
 
Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.
 
eriadoc said:
Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.
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No kidding this isn't Madden but there is no doubt who has the best feet on this team when it comes to the line and who is 330 pounds and a pretty darn good run blocker. Pitts is athletic enough to handle edge rushers and quite large enough to handle the responsibilities that the RT has in run blocking. It's pretty obvious to me that he could handle the position although I too don’t want him moved there unless we draft an elite LT. Personally I think he would have a better career on the edge than inside. Pitts has better feet than he had hands and Guards have a lot of hand fighting to deal with.
 
eriadoc said:
Put me down as initially opposed to moving Pitts to RT. He's never played right tackle for us (or anyone), yet people here keep mentioning this as a solution. This isn't Madden; you cannot just swap players around with little to no consequence. If Pitts continues to play well the rest of the season, I say leave him at LT and draft around him. Give the man some continuity at one position and I think he'll play very well.
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we still need 2 tackles. so draft the best tackle available and then let him compete with pitts. whoever comes out on top should play lt tackle. and the other one should play rt tackle. makes since to me.
 
And I did say "initially" opposed, because I could see a training camp competition between him and Brick (or similar). Like Vinny pointed out, I just think he'll do better on the edge, and my personal preference is left edge - if he continues his current play for the remainder of the season. I just think they need to put him somewhere and leave him, if we're going to get the best out of him. To this point, we've largely wasted the guy that the coaches keep telling us is probably the best O-lineman we have.
 
Vinny said:
No kidding this isn't Madden but there is no doubt who has the best feet on this team when it comes to the line and who is 330 pounds and a pretty darn good run blocker. Pitts is athletic enough to handle edge rushers and quite large enough to handle the responsibilities that the RT has in run blocking. It's pretty obvious to me that he could handle the position although I too don’t want him moved there unless we draft an elite LT. Personally I think he would have a better career on the edge than inside. Pitts has better feet than he had hands and Guards have a lot of hand fighting to deal with.
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hey vinny, i know we dissagree on that one half against seatle. but since i think we both agree he's looked very good. he also looked good in his second year playing lt tackle.

i hear that he is a better run blocker than pass blocker. but when ive watched him closely in a couple of games this year it looks like he is better at pass blocking. it seems to me that he is better suited at tackle.

what i dont understand is why the coaches think he would be a better gaurd. is it his size or his run blocking ability or do they just not think he is not quick enough to be a tackle. or is it that thay are just dumb.
 
markbeth said:
hey vinny, i know we dissagree on that one half against seatle. but since i think we both agree he's looked very good. he also looked good in his second year playing lt tackle.

i hear that he is a better run blocker than pass blocker. but when ive watched him closely in a couple of games this year it looks like he is better at pass blocking. it seems to me that he is better suited at tackle.

what i dont understand is why the coaches think he would be a better gaurd. is it his size or his run blocking ability or do they just not think he is not quick enough to be a tackle. or is it that thay are just dumb.
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Man, you just hang on to that post exchange about when you went out of your way to dog Pitts don't you? U betcha we disagree on that one because he didn't grade out poorly from what I gathered from my contacts...and believe it or not...I have excellent team contacts. :cool: Pitts did a credible job early in his career at LT too...under the circumstances. I was one of the few people who saw through the hysteria the Pitts bashers brought forth.

On the coaches...I don't think they assess talent well and I could point to tons of bad personnel moves on pro players as well as how we have let go of many guys who ended up playing well in other places. I mean...what staff in the NFL would play Riley at LT other than us? Pitts is more of a finesse lineman than a mauling run blocker. He is pretty unique for a guy close to 340 pounds and carries his weight very well and has tremendous balance. His only real problem over the years has been inexperience since he didn't start playing football until he got to College. I think Pitts best years are still in front of him.
 
Pitts HAS done pretty good these last few games, but really we've been in a quick pass situation most of the time. I will reserve judgement on Pitts until we actually have an offense that can be aggressive and where the QB has faith in their protection to let plays develop. Is Pitts our best lineman, yes....on a team that is 1-8 and given up the most sacks in the league and is below average in the running game. It's all relative.
 
I'm not picking on Chester, he IS a good athletic. But, he's a perfect example of the product you get when you are coached and the front office and the coaches give you a lot of support. Now, wonder what would have happen if Wand had been treated like Chester? He had less penalities and sacks his first year as a starter than Chester. Wonder if our O-line would have looked better this year if Pendry had left it alone?

Chester has been an assest to this team, but, even Chester would acknowledge all the help and support he has been given.
 
Vinny said:
Man, you just hang on to that post exchange about when you went out of your way to dog Pitts don't you? U betcha we disagree on that one because he didn't grade out poorly from what I gathered from my contacts...and believe it or not...I have excellent team contacts. :cool: Pitts did a credible job early in his career at LT too...under the circumstances. I was one of the few people who saw through the hysteria the Pitts bashers brought forth.

On the coaches...I don't think they assess talent well and I could point to tons of bad personnel moves on pro players as well as how we have let go of many guys who ended up playing well in other places. I mean...what staff in the NFL would play Riley at LT other than us? Pitts is more of a finesse lineman than a mauling run blocker. He is pretty unique for a guy close to 340 pounds and carries his weight very well and has tremendous balance. His only real problem over the years has been inexperience since he didn't start playing football until he got to College. I think Pitts best years are still in front of him.
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i was just asking a question. wasnt trying to get into an old arguement. and by the way. im still right about that.
 
Bullfan said:
I'm not picking on Chester, he IS a good athletic. But, he's a perfect example of the product you get when you are coached and the front office and the coaches give you a lot of support. Now, wonder what would have happen if Wand had been treated like Chester? He had less penalities and sacks his first year as a starter than Chester. Wonder if our O-line would have looked better this year if Pendry had left it alone?

Chester has been an assest to this team, but, even Chester would acknowledge all the help and support he has been given.
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i dont think wand has as much talent as chester.
 
We'll never know. Wand hasn't been coached and supported like Chester. Maybe with new coaches things won't be so rosy for Chester or on a new team Wand will shine or maybe not. There is no way we will ever know and who can "judge" the better athletic, certainly not our coaches and you'll never get anyone on this message board to agree.
 
Totally agree with you Bullfan. My slim hope is that maybe Wand will stick around for the next coaching regime, who might recognize that the guy is a decent lineman. Getting rid of Pendry is more of a priority to me than getting rid of Capers.
 
personally after seeing pitts play as well as he has at LT i don't really see a reason to move him again period...we might want to just keep him there long time and pick up a solid LG to play next to him...david joseph would be an excellent pick up here (from oklahoma by the way)...we might be able to get him in the second round as well...that being said we still need to pick up o-lineman in the draft by my count atleast 3...a tackle, guard, and center...and yes i do have a list of guys i'd like to see in a texans uni next year...the center being raiola from wisconsin...the tackle being whitworth...anyways...i'm all for pitts staying at LT...but if we do pick up ferguson or another LT in the 1st round of the draft LG is where he'll make is home for good
 
Bullfan said:
We'll never know. Wand hasn't been coached and supported like Chester. Maybe with new coaches things won't be so rosy for Chester or on a new team Wand will shine or maybe not. There is no way we will ever know and who can "judge" the better athletic, certainly not our coaches and you'll never get anyone on this message board to agree.
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I agree. A lot of people think this is a zero sum game - if Pitts is good, Wand is bad. If someone says Wand is good, then the assumption is that he thinks Chester is bad. That's just not the way it works. Wouldn't it have been cool if Wand had gotten the coaching support that Chester had after Chester's rough first year of starting, and right now we'd have 2 good young tackles?

Wand's first year starting, considering sacks and penalties, was similar to Pitts'. Good thing we didn't throw Chester on the scrap heap then! In addition, a while ago someone broke down running stats from last year. They posted the yards per carry outside right, inside right, inside left, and outside left. Would anybody be surprised to know that our best running (yards per carry) last year was outside left? I think inside left had the second most yards/carry. There is more to being a lineman than just pass blocking, and Pendry threw away our best run blocking tandem in Pitts/Wand even as the team focused on running.
 
markbeth said:
we still need 2 tackles. so draft the best tackle available and then let him compete with pitts. whoever comes out on top should play lt tackle. and the other one should play rt tackle. makes since to me.
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You don't need two tackles, Pitts is the Tackle we have been wanting. If you dont believe me just watch him. He was really good against the most feared DE in the league. And that's the fact jack!
 
Maybe we should just only use Wand on run plays and move him and Pitts to the side we want to run on. :ok:

Then we could have Carr fake the hand-off sometimes and run the other....oh, we did that last year. :rolleyes:

Did we ever run to right side last year? I mean, not counting Carr? Doesn't seem like it.
 
Seriously, it sounds like we've got an LT. We've been wanting that for a long time and I think he should stay there until and unless someone proves they are better. Lord knows we can run to the left side anyway. That's on just my :twocents:

Wand played something other than LT earlier this year and I thought he did pretty well, but I can't remember if it was RT or one of the guards. Don't know if he was better than who's there now either. Probably not.

McKinney is WAY better at guard than center. The man should never be allowed to hike a ball again.
 
uhcougar08 said:
You don't need two tackles, Pitts is the Tackle we have been wanting. If you dont believe me just watch him. He was really good against the most feared DE in the league. And that's the fact jack!
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every team plays with two tackles.
 
HJam72 said:
Seriously, it sounds like we've got an LT. We've been wanting that for a long time and I think he should stay there until and unless someone proves they are better. Lord knows we can run to the left side anyway. That's on just my :twocents:
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Let's not get too excited. Pitts is far superior to what we have had, which is too say he is far superior to--hold on, must wipe off shoe, where did this burger come from, anyway--what we have had, rather than far superior to the league average. JMO but the Texans are wrong and Pitts plays better at T than G but with that said he can be OK at LT and elite at RT. Draft a guy for LT--let Pitts play as long as necessary (no preconceived notion of zero games or one year) and then keep the best one at LT and the other to RT--fill in the middle.
 
Now I do like this scenario alot, and I believe if we keep Pitts at LT till someone better moves him over to RT, but till then, don't touch the guy. Just let him play where he's at.
 
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