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charlie wies
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Str8tupg42k1
Waterboy
i thought about him and it would be great if he would come but i doubt it. i can imagine houston like pittsburgh with the aggressive defense and power running game.......
it seems too farfetched but hey you never know
it seems too farfetched but hey you never know
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
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Charlies staying with the Irish. Never any doubt in my mind to begin with.
GO IRISH
Charlies staying with the Irish. Never any doubt in my mind to begin with.
GO IRISH
utahmark
markbeth
The Great One said:This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout.
Once again, I DO think he is staying in South Bend. I am just trying to understand how this extension makes it more likely that he is staying.
just the fact that he signed an extension makes it more likely he will stay. why waiste the time if your gonna leave.
yaboycm
Waterboy
The Great One said:This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout.
Once again, I DO think he is staying in South Bend. I am just trying to understand how this extension makes it more likely that he is staying.
That's hurtful. Notre Dame is showing a commitment to him and he is showing a commitment to them. He won't leave this year, but maybe in a few years, depending on what he does.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Huge said:
IMO the guy on 610 am just hit the nail on the head on this. Weiss already being actively pursued for NFL head coaching jobs while Willingham was not. Basically this extension was a response to that and Pastabelly's reporting how low Weiss' contract buy-out amount was. Basically a defensive contract extension.
kbourda
Veteran
infantrycak said:
Originally Posted by The Great One
"This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout."
I like The Great One's point. I just don't see the justification in the extension. And as far as extensions go, I believe that Bob Davies got one as well in his first year. So really, NFL teams inquiring about a coach shouldn't be an excuse for one. I'm sure the most basic NFL franchise can purchase a Notre Dame for themselves if they wanted to badly enough. Please.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Obviously they like what they see out of Weiss. They didn't like something about Willingham apparently. People who want to secure what they deeply appreciate make a move sometimes.Huge said:
On the point about extra years, we don't know what is in the new contract so just saying that they "just" added years is probably just an assumption.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Weis has embraced Notre Dame much more than Willingham did. Weis is all about tradition and has made a point to bring back the Notre Dame legends to make sure that the team understands who they are playing for.
This also helps for recruiting because up and coming recruits will see Notre Dame as a stable situation rather than one where the coach is going to split for the NFL any year now.
This also helps for recruiting because up and coming recruits will see Notre Dame as a stable situation rather than one where the coach is going to split for the NFL any year now.
Huge
All Pro
If an NFL wants Weis, they're still going to buy-out his contract. This extension makes Weis the highest (or one of) paid coach in the country. Even that much is not enough to scare away the deep pockets of the NFL.infantrycak said:
But I agree about the intent.
Well whatever it is that they see in Weis, I don't see how they didn't see it in Willingham's first year.Vinny said:
1. He was a great PR move because he was the school's first black coach.
2. His record at this point (8-0) was better than Weiss' current record (5-2).
Personally, I think they're jumping on Weiss' bandwagon a bit prematurely. Having a solid first season (if you call getting beat at home by Michigan State "solid") guarantees nothing.
Was Willingham ever considered a threat to split for the NFL at any given year? This contract extension doesn't mean Weiss won't split. It just shows the school is willing to make a committement to him...not the other way around.tulexan said:
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Huge said:
Well Ty Was not the right color sad but true oh and charlie is playing with TY Talent he recruited. Ty never got a fair chance
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Just because he used to be in the NFL does not mean that he wants to rush back. A lot of coaches find themselves in the perfect situation in college where there is no reason to leave. If you have a good team then you will continuously get great recruiting and can stay at the top for a long time. It's not like the NFL where you can be one of the top teams one year and one of the worst the next because all of your players leave through FA. Guys like Pete Carroll and Charlie Weis are in perfect situations at their respective schools. Charlie Weis has his dream job and is coaching for his alma mater. The last thing that he wants is to be villified by Notre Dame for bailing on the school to go to the NFL. And the way that I've come to know Charlie Weis from reading all of these stories about him, he is a man of honor and keeps his word. If he says that he wants to stay until his son graduates then I believe him.
Huge
All Pro
Stanford's offense averaged just over 35 points per game the year before he left for Notre Dame. In his first season at Notre Dame, they averaged just over 31 points per game.Vinny said:
Now his offense might have become sluggish after teams had time to adjust to it. But there's no guarantee the same won't happen with Weiss. Although you'd be hard pressed to convince the padres that run South Bend based on this extension.
TheOgre
All Pro
Huge said:
I think there is one critical difference. Willingham's first year they were winning games with smoke and mirrors. Anyone could see they had an horrible offense. Their special teams and defense carried them. You just could tell that bubble would burst at any moment (Reminds me of the 10-1 Longhorns in 1990. Really a 7-4 quality team that managed to win the close ones.).
I would contend that his 2004 team was more talented than his first year's. I do think Notre Dame prematurely fired him. However, I think Weiss is a better coach. Obviously this is based upon limited facts, but my gut tells me he will be a good one.