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Charles Rogers, for those that had doubts

D6+ said:
TexansRMS, out of respect to Lucky and the other Moderators on this message board, I'm not going to comment on the pure Texans points you made in this thread. Lets just say we disagree on a number of subjects.


Being that the Charlie Casserly / Matt Millen comparison is tied into an NFL at Large discussion ( Lucky, correct me if that's not the case and I'll respect your decision. ), my take on Casserly in Washington is Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs are most responsible for the Redskins winning the Super Bowl in the 1991 season.

Charles Rogers' skills are a good fit for the Lions and just about any other team. No one could have predicted that Rogers would suffer two separate collarbone breaks. Though it's obvious that you and just about every Texans fan on the planet will disagree with me, which is fine, I do feel that Charles Rogers has more upside potential than Andre Johnson. Believe me, the Lions are not the only team that would have taken Rogers over Johnson in that draft. Until Rogers proves conclusively that he won't be able to stay healthy in the NFL, there's no reason for me to change my original opinion that Rogers was the right choice. Again, the future is what matters the most with both players, as so far neither team has reached the goals we hope for with our respective favorite teams.


Mike Williams is as unselfish of a person as you will see in football. He's as grounded as they will come. Recently, Williams went back to Tampa to coach the Pop Warner team that he played for as a youth. Williams remembers his roots. He also didn't complain about his fate about not being allowed to play football last year. Until he proves that he's a " me" type of person, why should I believe he will behave in the manner that you suggested he would. We are not dealing with the likes of Randy Moss and Terrell Owens.


BTW, it wasn't Matt Millen's idea about the bricks. Fred Graves, the new Lions WR coach, who has extensive coaching experience ( Utah, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns), thought of this technique. Personally, I don't like the idea, as the risk of a finger injury seems high. I'll have to trust the judgment of Graves and Steve Mariucci, as they have proven track records.
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Kinna sad though, I mean throwing bricks to make your recievers better?
 
D6+ said:
TexansRMS, out of respect to Lucky and the other Moderators on this message board, I'm not going to comment on the pure Texans points you made in this thread. Lets just say we disagree on a number of subjects.


Being that the Charlie Casserly / Matt Millen comparison is tied into an NFL at Large discussion ( Lucky, correct me if that's not the case and I'll respect your decision. ), my take on Casserly in Washington is Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs are most responsible for the Redskins winning the Super Bowl in the 1991 season.

Charles Rogers' skills are a good fit for the Lions and just about any other team. No one could have predicted that Rogers would suffer two separate collarbone breaks. Though it's obvious that you and just about every Texans fan on the planet will disagree with me, which is fine, I do feel that Charles Rogers has more upside potential than Andre Johnson. Believe me, the Lions are not the only team that would have taken Rogers over Johnson in that draft. Until Rogers proves conclusively that he won't be able to stay healthy in the NFL, there's no reason for me to change my original opinion that Rogers was the right choice. Again, the future is what matters the most with both players, as so far neither team has reached the goals we hope for with our respective favorite teams.


Mike Williams is as unselfish of a person as you will see in football. He's as grounded as they will come. Recently, Williams went back to Tampa to coach the Pop Warner team that he played for as a youth. Williams remembers his roots. He also didn't complain about his fate about not being allowed to play football last year. Until he proves that he's a " me" type of person, why should I believe he will behave in the manner that you suggested he would. We are not dealing with the likes of Randy Moss and Terrell Owens.


BTW, it wasn't Matt Millen's idea about the bricks. Fred Graves, the new Lions WR coach, who has extensive coaching experience ( Utah, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns), thought of this technique. Personally, I don't like the idea, as the risk of a finger injury seems high. I'll have to trust the judgment of Graves and Steve Mariucci, as they have proven track records.
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I really don't see how my points were homers for the Texans, but more of a common sense. You said you think our LB moves were very questionable, and I simply sorted out why those LB's would help fit our 3-4 scheme better, so maybe our moves wouldn't be as big of a mystery to you. Are there any certain reasons you would think Rogers has more upside potential? And according to you, as of 6/9/05 more GM's would prefer Rogers over Johnson. OK. And as for Rogers having better potential, come back and say that to me in 2-3 years. I'll be right here waiting for that moment you come and tell me " See Rogers is a better player then Johnson". If that's the case I will change my username to LIONSRMYDADDY and use a lions avatar for the rest of that season. On the Mike Williams part, he may seem like a "me-second" type of guy right now, but that is bound to change 3 pro-bowl appearances and 3 paychecks later. When Mike Williams turns into a superstar( I have no doubt that he won't) you think he will stay contempt still sitting in Detroit at the #3 wide reciever position? Come off-season, do you think Detroit will keep 3 $50 million dollar recievers on their roster? O and if Millin is such the good GM he would step in and stop that brick-throwing fiasco immediatly. Oh and please do comment on my "pure texans points", i'm sure the moderators won't take any disrespect in your comments.
 
TexansRockMySocks said:
I really don't see how my points were homers for the Texans, but more of a common sense. You said you think our LB moves were very questionable, and I simply sorted out why those LB's would help fit our 3-4 scheme better, so maybe our moves wouldn't be as big of a mystery to you. Are there any certain reasons you would think Rogers has more upside potential? And according to you, as of 6/9/05 more GM's would prefer Rogers over Johnson. OK. And as for Rogers having better potential, come back and say that to me in 2-3 years. I'll be right here waiting for that moment you come and tell me " See Rogers is a better player then Johnson". If that's the case I will change my username to LIONSRMYDADDY and use a lions avatar for the rest of that season. On the Mike Williams part, he may seem like a "me-second" type of guy right now, but that is bound to change 3 pro-bowl appearances and 3 paychecks later. When Mike Williams turns into a superstar( I have no doubt that he won't) you think he will stay contempt still sitting in Detroit at the #3 wide reciever position? Come off-season, do you think Detroit will keep 3 $50 million dollar recievers on their roster? O and if Millin is such the good GM he would step in and stop that brick-throwing fiasco immediatly. Oh and please do comment on my "pure texans points", i'm sure the moderators won't take any disrespect in your comments.
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gee whiz kid, don't hurt yourself arguing so much. Whenever you post it seems as if you are taking someone on, but nothing bad about it. I admire you for taking on all these adults and making brilliant points. I still remember when you shot down LikeABoss, i haven't seen him post here ever since that.
 
When you hear about the brick throwing, what do you people envision here?

It's not like they are putting the bricks inside of the ball shooter and lauching them at 50 MPH. It's just tossing them, it's about focusing on the object. If you get hurt just tossing a brick then you don't belong in the NFL.

What do you think is going on here? A WR coach going over hand full boor chucking Bricks at the guys? No.... The are probally standing about 10 yards away tossing the brick. Similar to drills with eggs.

Well, they stopped the egg drills, worried fans feared someone might contract salominila poisoning.
 
Vinny said:
I'm picturing something out of an Adam Sandler flick. :cool:
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... or a fraternity initiation...

Would that work with linemen too? "Smash your head into this wall!" :brickwall
 
swtbound07 said:
you know,i apologize if i came off the wrong way..it was late, i was tired, and was quite tired of charles rogers....i give you credit, that "bestest calcium ever" line cracked me up, and apparently you were using it to dispute the logic of the mike williams draft pick. to reinforce another point thats being made, nobody here particularly wants charles rogers injured except for his own home improvement loving coaching staff...hey guys......what happens if you throw a brick at koren robinson? .....he drops it and breaks his toe
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nobody laughed at my koren robinson joke....sigh :ouch:
 
TexansRockMySocks said:
I'll be right here waiting for that moment you come and tell me " See Rogers is a better player then Johnson". If that's the case I will change my username to LIONSRMYDADDY and use a lions avatar for the rest of that season.
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funny stuff, the koren robinson one was funny too
 
all i have to say is the lions could have drafted the better receiver in AJ, but no they wanted the hometown boy. kinda like if we would have drafted DJ this year because he went to texas. the lions have truly baffled me again this year by picking mike williams. how about a QB first? ya'll want to trade for ragone? we'd be happy to take one of your receivers.
 
I think the drafting of Mike Williams just showed that the Lions were not 100% comfortable with Rogers, i mean at this point Williams is the most experienced one out there. They have the biggest names to come out of college at the reciever position the last 3 years, can they now produce at the NFL level. The funny thing is it could spell the end for Harrington if they dont get the ball.
 
atxcoolguy said:
all i have to say is the lions could have drafted the better receiver in AJ, but no they wanted the hometown boy. kinda like if we would have drafted DJ this year because he went to texas. the lions have truly baffled me again this year by picking mike williams. how about a QB first? ya'll want to trade for ragone? we'd be happy to take one of your receivers.
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People in Glass houses.

Carr isn't exactly playing like the #1 overall pick is he.
So you should cool it on any Harrington bashing.
 
Harrington has had a better line and better recievers. Carr is playing more of a Top 3 pick then Harrington. No one is calling Carr a bust, but some people have jumped on the " Harrington is a bust" bandwagon. Experts are already predicting Garcia to take the starting spot by Week 3-5.
 
canadiantexan said:
look at the stats Carr killed Joey last year :highfive:
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Joey vs Carr
Joey 1
Carr 0

Carr has had his fantastic WR healthy, and the support cast healty, and a running game for 2 years.
Carr better have a "little bit" of an edge in stats, he has less excuses. He also playing is a deep ball system, so the yardage difference doesn't surprise me.
What does surprise me is Harrington having more TD's.

Neither QB came into a team that could help them. And for as great as the Lions Oline has been , they only have 2 starters still on the team from the time Joey was drafted on the Oline.
The Media gives Carr the "expansion team" excuse, well the Lions were just as good as an expansion team when Joey was drafted.

Neither guy has played to his billing yet, and Joey catches more flak from the media, because thats what we do in Detroit, it doesn't matter who the QB is, #2 on the depth chart is #1 in our hearts.

It's a do or die year for BOTH guys.
 
Ihategeeks said:
Joey vs Carr
Joey 1
Carr 0

Carr has had his fantastic WR healthy, and the support cast healty, and a running game for 2 years.
Carr better have a "little bit" of an edge in stats, he has less excuses. He also playing is a deep ball system, so the yardage difference doesn't surprise me.
What does surprise me is Harrington having more TD's.
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deep ball system?!?! Fans cry to see him go deep more, If anything I'd say things we need to do more is go deep more. Harrington has more TD's because he had more targets to throw too. A WR,A RB, and a TE. Carr basically had a WR and RB, and all that was with a defensive person about to get to him. Harrington has more time to throw then Carr. If Harrington is better then Carr then why is it that he has a RB capable of the same things as DD, 3 healthy WR's, a good TE, and good defense, but is still being predicted to lose the job to Garcia by many experts and even Lions fans. You say Lions were just as good as a expansion team, well they still werent, and the Texans actually were an expansion team.
 
Ihategeeks said:
Joey vs Carr
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Every GM in the NFL would take Carr over Harrington. Including Millen.

I pretty sure the guy who wrote this agrees with that assessment.
The only reason Harrington looks like he has improved over last year is because of a hot 4 games to start the season. But even in those games the Lions had amazing field position off turnovers.


Since then he has done everything he can not to make alot of mistakes, while doing this he has taken no part in attemtping to make a play. Joey has never looked as bad in 2002, or 2003, as he has looked in most of 2004.

And the sad thing about it is 2004 he has the most help he has ever had.
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I wonder who wrote that? :hmmm:
 
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