paycheck71
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Bad refs? yes. "Rigged"? no.
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Championship Sunday
- Thread starter austins23
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IT's all a coincidence the refs missed 5 calls in the last 10 mins of that game all helping the Chiefs. I was listening in the car with my wife when the 5th down happened and I told her it was rigged and there was no way the Bengals were going to be allowed to win. Holding calls on the Bengals that the same thing wasn't called on the Chiefs. Phantom PI calls, the obvious hold on the PR, the holding call on the Chiefs that wasn't called when Mahomes got hit out of bounds. All in the last 10 mins of the game. But hey, if that doesn't change your mind, nothing I type ever will, the NFL is becoming like the WWE.
CloakNNNdagger
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paycheck71
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Unless there's real evidence, this conversation is pointless...
What would it take for you to be convinced?
A Donaghy tell all book.
The proof is right before your eyes. Just as it was in the Rams/Saints NFCCG a few yrs ago.
paycheck71
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A Donaghy type situation would definitely make it more believable, but there's nothing close to that.
All the evidence up to now has been enough to convince me that NFL refs aren't very good, even though they may still be the best in major American sports. As a matter of fact, I think they've regressed in the last few years. Not sure who's in charge now, but I wasn't a fan of what happened to refereeing after Ron Rivera took over.
Still, to say there's enough evidence to prove NFL is "rigged" is ridiculous, IMO.
Keep those blinders on. You'll be happier, my suggestion is you is to never have a vested interest in the NFL, PARTICULARLY A FINANCIAL ONE. That's a fools errand.
CloakNNNdagger
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Just like the football didn't hit the camera cable in the Eagles/49ers game. I talked to a friend of mine from Wyoming who had no favorites..........just wanted to see a championship game...............he said there was little doubt by the people around his seats (mixed both and 49ers fans) that the ball hit the cable.
paycheck71
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But in the end, it only matters if any of the refs saw it, or if there was video evidence. Can't argue with the first one, and I haven't seen a video angle that proves that the punt hit a wire.
Why is it so easy for people to believe conspiracy theories? Yes, situations like this can be exploited, but for me, if you want me to believe your conspiracy theory, give me some real evidence, not just "I can't believe you think it's a coincidence"
It was a hold. They missed it. Doesn't make it a conspiracy.
They also missed an obvious hold on the PR 3 plays before that. Not to mention 5th down etc.. Are you starting to notice a trend on how the refs want the game to go? I'm sure you dont want to see these things and frankly I dont blame you. Innocence is bliss.
Right.. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Coincidence is not extraordinary evidence. And the default position - occam's razor, in fact - is coincidence.
Those fumes seem to be affecting somebody's brain around here.
Funny how some can call how games are going to turn out when there's 10 mins left in a game.
Funny how some can call how games are going to turn out when there's 10 mins left in a game.
The same ref that missed the hold on the Mahomes scramble called a hold on the Chiefs the previous drive. Did he forget he was trying to rig the game on that call? Try to be realistic.
I've called for full time refs in the NFL for years. Study the tape all week long. Coordinate with your crew. But the NFL doesn't want that. The officials organization doesn't want that. So we get part time refs. Really, there's enough technology to track every player and come up with every infraction on every play. I'm guessing the league doesn't think that would make good TV.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
That is the biggest flaw in the game - it can be very subjective and misused.
I just don't see how you clean it up.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
With a massive amount of camera coverage and play review crews (specifically assigned to each individual single game) to instantly review all plays you could do it. At a massive expense and totally changing the game and lengthening ALL games. It'll never happen.
Full vs part time refs aren't the issue.
austins23
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And that Referee didn’t call the late hit on Burrow (by #55) and it happened right in front of him. Dude obviously threw his shoulder into burrow. No call.
I had no dog in the fight but it sure appeared the Refs were biased toward the chiefs. IMO
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Otoh, if a hold has no effect on the play, then it should be allowed to slide, but then again, that can be argued as well.
If a hold is behind the play, those can definitely be ignored. That happens now anyway.
That raises an interesting point - why is a hold more egregious than a block?
Thanks for your in depth analysis.
Here's an in depth analysis, this kinda crap is only going to get worse now that ownership is out in the open with their getting in bed with gamblers.
Sportsbooks make money thru volume. Not tilting outcomes. This model only works if the public believes the outcomes of the games are legitimate. The last thing the league would want is tampering with games.
The risk/reward is so awful for the league to get caught fixing outcomes versus the insane guaranteed revenue they bring in irrespective of who wins what games..
it just makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever for them to put that cash cow on the line. There's just no reasonable incentive.
The league has plausible deniability by keeping perceived incompetent referees that are not full time officials. I think it's the only pro league that hires part time employees to officiate their games.
So it's fairly simple to influence a game while avoiding the public perception that it's a league driven agenda because they've got an army of sycophants in the media and fans that defend them at all costs and blame the individual referees.
Some folks really believe that the NFL is beyond even the slightest hint of corruption. I don't think any entertainment empire is beyond basic human dishonesty. To what extent is the question.
The problem here is the "Why would the league influence games?" is never answered. I can give $billions of reasons why they wouldn't.
TexansBull
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CloakNNNdagger
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I echo nearly verbatim everything McAfee says here..
CloakNNNdagger
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There should be no doubt that the main reason is that the refs are doing a poor job. The rigging aspect difficulty is not as difficult as McAfee is making it sound, and would not require a cast of millions to pull it off. Many of these terrible calls are coming in the last seconds of a game....independent of whatever has gone on previously throughout the game, that one play can and has determined the final outcome of the game. Again, there can be no doubt about the questionable quality of the NFL refereeing...........by far the most egregious factor in all of this. But that would also serve as beautiful camouflage for a single "innocent" missed or phantom call by one sole ref to change the face of the game in its final seconds. Final thought.............the NFL must clean their act up.