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I do root for the Dolphins. Thankfully they have an owner/coach that are strategic in how they dish out their money. Thanks for the advice. Now go buy some PSL/tickets and then we can talk about this franchise...
 
houstonhurricane said:
I do root for the Dolphins. Thankfully they have an owner/coach that are strategic in how they dish out their money. Thanks for the advice. Now go buy some PSL/tickets and then we can talk about this franchise...


When you wanna talk? Have had PSLs since Day 1. :redtowel:
 
TD143 said:
When you wanna talk? Have had PSLs since Day 1. :redtowel:

Well, if you are suffering then I will give you your props. Sadly, I bought two extra PSL's this year in the hope that they would increase in value. Don't see that happening for a few years now...
 
GhostRaider2006 said:
Here are two more articles:

"Protection-needy Texans bizarrely turn backs on Carr"
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9404449

"Passing on Bush is costly error for penny-pinching Texans"
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9404250

I haven't seen one person on this board say they should have drafted D'Brickshaw instead of Bush or Williams. Pass rushing is indeed a need for the Texans. Defense in general is a need for the Texans. D'Brickshaw would have been a good choice as well, but Williams does indeed fill a desperate need the Texans have.
 
TexanSam said:
How old are you? 12? 13? Don't you remember, the Texans beat the Browns last year. As bad as the Texans, the lowly Texans, were last year, we still managed to beat you guys. The same will happen this year. It'll be nice to see Dilfer or Frye (who?) lying on his back after Williams knocks the snot out of him.

That post was uncalled for and he was an ******* for doing it but I have been asking that questions as well all night and not one Williams supporter has even attempted to answer it yet. So I will ask it again. To any Williams supporter out there:

If Williams is such as beast why do his stats read out as such:

"He had sacks in just 16 of his 36 appearances for the Wolfpack.

Ten of his 14½ sacks in 2005 came in just three games and against lesser opponents. Half of his six sacks in 2004 came in one outing, although, granted, the opponent was Florida State."

Those aren't the stats of someone who I would consider a "Freak of Nature" I mean aside from those clusters of sacks where was he during all those other games? I just don't see how he is worth the number 1 pick in the draft.
 
GhostRaider2006 said:
ESPN 790am The Sports Animal:
http://www.790kbme.com/main.html

and

SportsRadio 610am
http://www.sportsradio610.com/

Both stations have gone national now and it is even worse. The entire country thinks our team is the laughing stock of the NFL now.

Heck, KILT is just another source of media hype where they built up Reggie Bush without thinking logically about what the Texans really needed. I listen to those guys all the time and half of what they discuss makes little football sense to even a novice.
 
Bobo you keep going on and on about hype. That Bush is all hype. Well if that is the case then you have to admit Williams is all hype as well because his stats don't lie. Atleast Bush was consistent throughout his career in college and was worthy of the hype. Williams college carrer is way to eratic and only deserves questions.
 
Ghost, what did you expect him to do at DE??? Have 200 tkls and 25 sacks? He played a team defense scheme with the best DL in the country, arguably. He was not a one man show on an avg DL.

Think about some of the things you say before saying them. Do you know Chuck Amato's defensive style? Probably not.
 
Ghost I agree with you. The texans should of taken Bush because we need a RB face it Davis is an ok back at best .
 
MikeMc said:
Ghost, what did you expect him to do at DE??? Have 200 tkls and 25 sacks? He played a team defense scheme with the best DL in the country, arguably. He was not a one man show on an avg DL.

Think about some of the things you say before saying them. Do you know Chuck Amato's defensive style? Probably not.

I expect him to have consistent numbers against all of his opponets. Not over inflated ones that he ran up against rag tag offenses. If he had put up the same numbers throught the entire length of both season then I would be ok with this pick. But he didn't and I am not.
 
GhostRaider2006 said:
Bobo you keep going on and on about hype. That Bush is all hype. Well if that is the case then you have to admit Williams is all hype as well because his stats don't lie. Atleast Bush was consistent throughout his career in college and was worthy of the hype. Williams college carrer is way to eratic and only deserves questions.


Hmm, lets look at Bush' numbers:

2003: 521 yrds rushing 3 TDs
2004: 908 yrds, 6 TDs
2005: 1740 yrds, 16 TDs

Seems like he blossomed at the end. Oh, are you going to say he shared the carries?? He got better as his OL got better, plain and simple. He has 3 OL that will be drafted on the first day, and one (OT Baker) will be a top 10 pick next year.
 
GhostRaider2006 said:
I expect him to have consistent numbers against all of his opponets. Not over inflated ones that he ran up against rag tag offenses. If he had put up the same numbers throught the entire length of both season then I would be ok with this pick. But he didn't and I am not.

So one sack a game, and 7 tackles a game? Derrick Thomas had hot streaks.....he had 7 sacks in one game!! I guess he took playus off and was inconsistent, too. Man, that guy sucked! Whatever happened to him??
 
MikeMc said:
Hmm, lets look at Bush' numbers:

2003: 521 yrds rushing 3 TDs
2004: 908 yrds, 6 TDs
2005: 1740 yrds, 16 TDs

Seems like he blossomed at the end. Oh, are you going to say he shared the carries?? He got better as his OL got better, plain and simple. He has 3 OL that will be drafted on the first day, and one (OT Baker) will be a top 10 pick next year.

At least Bush showed steady improvement against much tougher oppenents and not erratic over inflated numbers against poor offenses. Again if he had 16 sacks throughout the entire lenghth of the season I would be OK with this pick. But he didn't he took advantage of much lesser offensive lines and ran up his numbers.
 
Name someone who ISN'T laughing at us right now! Going 2-14 was bad enough, now this. This is embarrassing.
 
Mike face it. Mario was in a weak confrence. Where as Bush put up great numbers in a harder schedule.
 
j-wall said:
Mike face it. Mario was in a weak confrence. Where as Bush put up great numbers in a harder schedule.

Bush was on a great team with a great offensive line who didn't run the ball more than 20 times a game. He wasn't a good fit with the Texans at all.
 
MikeMc said:
Hmm, lets look at Bush' numbers:

2003: 521 yrds rushing 3 TDs
2004: 908 yrds, 6 TDs
2005: 1740 yrds, 16 TDs

Seems like he blossomed at the end. Oh, are you going to say he shared the carries?? He got better as his OL got better, plain and simple. He has 3 OL that will be drafted on the first day, and one (OT Baker) will be a top 10 pick next year.

At least Bush was the best player on his team. NC St's MVP was Manny Lawson...NOT Mario Williams, but yet we are stupid enough to make him the OVERALL #1 pick!
 
dwilt72 said:
Name someone who ISN'T laughing at us right now! Going 2-14 was bad enough, now this. This is embarrassing.

There are a lot of people who are saying that this was a good move, if you'll go to the message boards. Of course, the media won't say it because it's their job to criticize, not backslap. Heck, some of these media types think the Texans should have taken D'Brickshaw.
 
MikeMc said:
Hmm, lets look at Bush' numbers:

2003: 521 yrds rushing 3 TDs
2004: 908 yrds, 6 TDs
2005: 1740 yrds, 16 TDs

Seems like he blossomed at the end. Oh, are you going to say he shared the carries?? He got better as his OL got better, plain and simple. He has 3 OL that will be drafted on the first day, and one (OT Baker) will be a top 10 pick next year.

Definite product of the system against Texas he was just forced to run out of bounds a lot of the time. Last time I checked NFL defenses are a lot tougher than Texas', no offense. He may break some but the difference in production will be staggering.
 
MikeMc said:
Hmm, lets look at Bush' numbers:

2003: 521 yrds rushing 3 TDs
2004: 908 yrds, 6 TDs
2005: 1740 yrds, 16 TDs

Seems like he blossomed at the end. Oh, are you going to say he shared the carries?? He got better as his OL got better, plain and simple. He has 3 OL that will be drafted on the first day, and one (OT Baker) will be a top 10 pick next year.

Seems like he had only one good year.
 
MikeMc said:
So one sack a game, and 7 tackles a game? Derrick Thomas had hot streaks.....he had 7 sacks in one game!! I guess he took playus off and was inconsistent, too. Man, that guy sucked! Whatever happened to him??

And guess what Thomas wasn't a number 1 pick as well. Aside from Florida St. Williams has yet to consistently good against top teams at all.
 
dwilt72 said:
At least Bush was the best player on his team. NC St's MVP was Manny Lawson...NOT Mario Williams, but yet we are stupid enough to make him the OVERALL #1 pick!

Wrong. Leinert and White might have been better than Bush.
 
A weak conference? Are you f-in kidding me??? He did not play in the WAC or the Big "L" East....he played in the first super COnf...ACC. Ever hear of the following teams: Miami, Fl St, Va Tch, Maryland, UVA, GATech, or Clemson???

If not, then shut the heck up!! Bush played in one of the weakest conferences known to the NCAA, especially the weakest in the BCS (Big East close 2nd).
 
If you look at Bush you can easly say that guy is an impact player that can win games and its proven through his career. I look at Williams and say that dude can tackle but not an impact guy or a guy that can win games. BTW:
NC state sched:
Sun, Sep 4 (7) Virginia Tech L 16-20
Sat, Sep 17 Eastern Kentucky W 54-10
Sat, Sep 24 North Carolina L 24-31
Thu, Oct 6 at (24) Georgia Tech W 17-14
Thu, Oct 13 Clemson L 10-31
Sat, Oct 22 at Wake Forest L 19-27
Sat, Oct 29 Southern Miss W 21-17
Sat, Nov 5 at (9) Florida State W 20-15
Sat, Nov 12 at Boston College L 10-30
Sat, Nov 19 Middle Tennessee W 24-3
Sat, Nov 26 Maryland W 20-14
3-5 in confrence thats sad.

USC sched:
Sat, Sep 3 at Hawaii W 63-17
Sat, Sep 17 Arkansas W 70-17
Sat, Sep 24 at (24) Oregon W 45-13
Sat, Oct 1 at (14) Arizona State W 38-28
Sat, Oct 8 Arizona W 42-21
Sat, Oct 15 at (9) Notre Dame W 34-31
Sat, Oct 22 at Washington W 51-24
Sat, Oct 29 Washington State W 55-13
Sat, Nov 5 Stanford W 51-21
Sat, Nov 12 at California W 35-10
Sat, Nov 19 (16) Fresno State W 50-42
Sat, Dec 3 (11) UCLA W 66-19

USC had a harder schedule and played more ranked teams and beat them. Plus the Pac 10 teams had higher ranked teams.
 
j-wall said:
If you look at Bush you can easly say that guy is an impact player that can win games and its proven through his career. I look at Williams and say that dude can tackle but not an impact guy or a guy that can win games.

Agreed. I will admit that Williams was great at defending against the running game. He just wasn't as good as sacking the quarterback as his overinflated stats suggest. He just couldn't beat good offensive lines.
 
He who laughs last laughs loudest!

Super Mario.......but acutally a guy who resembles a Super Mario and not a painter or pizza maker looking cat.

This guy is 6' 7" 290# and as lean and as fast (4.6) as a tight-end. The dude jumps 40" and did 35/225 reps on bench. He will make the whole defense better and look forward to seeing him implode Manning, frustrate Leftwich, and quite possibly have to chase down the Titan's Vince Young.

I bet DRob is so glad to see the pick....not to mention PBuc and Petey while conversely it must disappoint Babin although is there any chance we have Babin and Peek as the two outside linebackers....if they could play the pass it would be one heck of a pass rush lineup! Go D and pick-up a stud o-lineman with the first pick in the second round and a running back and a middle linebacker in the first and second pick of the third round.
 
By Chuck Klosterman
Page 2


As I type this, I am 36,477 feet above the earth. I am watching Game 3 of the Wizards-Cavaliers series, because I am traveling on JetBlue Airways (at the moment, Washington is up 12 and Larry Hughes is making curious decisions with the basketball). The woman sitting next to me is watching "Law & Order," so she has not just been informed that the Houston Texans are not going to select Reggie Bush with the first pick of the NFL draft. I sense she does not care. However, I am completely and utterly stunned, mostly because I've suddenly realized that the culture of the NFL draft -- a culture I had never really noticed until this year -- has doomed the Texans to a fate that will turn them into version 2.0 of the New Orleans Saints.

Before I boarded this flight, I was talking (by phone) to a lawyer in North Dakota who I must now consider the federal prosecuting equivalent of Mel Kiper Jr. "The Texans will not take Bush," he said. "This is my prediction." The lawyer made this comment at 2:30 p.m. on Friday afternoon. At the time (and even now), the notion struck me as completely idiotic. I have only been alive for 33 years, but I've spent 25 of them watching football, and I have never seen a better college player than Reggie Bush. When Marcus Allen was a senior, he was awesome -- but Bush was more versatile. It's possible that Barry Sanders was better as a junior, but Oklahoma State was on probation that year, so they were never on TV; as such, I can't legitimately compare them. But I can't imagine how Sanders (or anyone else) could have been any more electrifying and unhittable than Bush. In fact, ESPN Classic just rebroadcast the USC-Fresno State game this very afternoon, and it seems wholly impossible that anyone could be better at running away from people than this particular human. Moreover, everyone alive seems to know this: not only have I never met a Reggie Bush skeptic, I've never met anyone who didn't consider Bush to be a transcendent superhuman. He possesses the kind of greatness that a child can see.

Yet the Texans have nonetheless convinced themselves that they will be better off selecting Mario Williams, the tall, speed-rushing defensive end from North Carolina State. I suspect Williams is potentially stellar. In time, he could be Pro Bowl caliber player. And the Texans' reasoning (I assume) is that (a) you build a team around defense and pass rushing; (b) they already have a decent running back; (c) Bush might be hyper-expensive; and (d) Reggie's parents appear to be living in a free house, which seems a tad sketchy. This is all fine and reasonable. The only problem is that Gary Kubiak has failed to weigh these points against the opposing argument, which is that REGGIE BUSH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TACKLE. HE IS WAY, WAY BETTER THAN ALL OF THE OTHER DUDES WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE DRAFTED. WHEN REGGIE BUSH IS RUNNING WITH THE FOOTBALL, THOSE ATTEMPTING TO KNOCK HIM TO THE GROUND CANNOT SEEM TO DO SO. THIS QUALITY IS ADVANTAGEOUS WITHIN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, AS THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE TOTALITY OF THE SPORT.

Obviously, this decision is wolf-face crazy. It's the kind of decision you make when you are drunk, and on cocaine, and on deadline, and on fire. It's going to define the future of the Houston franchise, and it will potentially wreck it (at least for a decade). But I think I know why they did it. I think I know why the Texans have consciously overlooked a reality that seemed to be universally understood: the NFL draft has grown into such a self-obsessed, metacommunicative monoculture that it actively perpetuates counter-intuitive logic. Pro football teams (and the media entities which cover it, including this one) have invested so much time and effort into analysis that smart people can no longer see what's abundantly obvious. The culture of the NFL draft insists that nothing is ever easy; it suggests that what you see with your eyes is always meaningless. It is no longer acceptable to pick a player because he's the best guy available -- general managers need to justify their picks through theoretical means that are akin to corporate-speak. The Texans talked themselves into picking an inferior player; they created reasonable, intellectual reasons to make a terrible move. And I realize Houston needs help on defense, but remember -- they had the first overall pick because they were the worst team in the league. They need everything. And while you can't get everything at once, the closest singular equivalent is usually the single-best force. But they took the wrong guy.


They took the wrong guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060428&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1
 
The Texans are a joke.

The Texans' decision to select defensive end Mario Williams (N.C. State) over running back Reggie Bush (USC) is a mistake of epic proportions. That's not to take anything away from Williams. After all, I have Williams ranked as the second-best prospect in what is considered by most to be a comparatively strong draft class in 2006. I think it's fair to say that Williams would have been the clear-cut top prospect last year.

But at the end of the day, the Texans can't possibly believe that Williams is a better talent -- or even an equal -- to Bush. Or can they? If so, it helps explain why this organization has won just 18 games in its four-year existence. It also sheds light on the question of how the Texans managed to win half as many games in Year Four as they did during their expansion season in 2002.

Here's the thing: It makes sense that the Texans could have become tempted during the overly drawn-out process. Williams has a freakish combination of size, speed and athleticism, and he is a perfect fit as a traditional end in the Texans' new 4-3 defensive scheme. Convoluting matters were the financial temptations and the recent off-field issues clouding Bush. Also, if we come to find out that owner Bob McNair simply pulled rank in order to save money and/or to avoid a possible public relations headache, then there's nothing that could be done. However, if the truth is that the leaders of the Texans' personnel department (general manager Charley Casserly) and coaching staff (head coach Gary Kubiak) honestly gave Williams and Bush equal grades, then the ticket-paying fans in Houston deserve far better.

Williams possesses wonderful potential, but he is far from complete at this point. He plays too high at times, and he seems to lack ideal natural football instincts. Williams' inconsistency at the collegiate level also is somewhat alarming -- he notched 13.5 sacks in the final seven games of the 2005 season after recording only one sack in the first five outings.

A special talent like Bush does not come along very often. When blessed with the opportunity to obtain such a franchise-changing talent, passing simply cannot be an option. You pay the extra money, endure the additional hardship and modify existing schemes in order to make it work. You don't pass on Michael Jordan simply because Sam Bowie fits a bigger need -- just ask the NBA's Portland Trail Blazers.

What's done is done. The Saints are now on the clock, and Bush is still on the board. Let's take a look at how the remainder of the top-10 now could play out:




http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2426249
 
Didn't most of you say, "Who is McShay"?

NCSt's problems had more to do with the new QB than a poor Defense. I thought you were comparing CONFs, not schedules. Well, you said the ACC was a weak CONF, it is not, therefore you do not know what you are talking about...just trying to help yourself sleep better about this pick.


SUCKS FOR YOU, I AM GLAD the TEXANS DRAFTED MARIO!

You can :crying: all you want...but here is what I feel :piano:
 
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