Casserlys a marked man

[OzzO]

Ah... this is fun. As obviously, everyone has their opinion and highly doubtful another on the board will change their view, I'll add mine...

First of all - Casserly a marked man? Uh, no. Why did the Skins start adopting the knee-jerk attitude once CC left of get the "best players" out there in whatever role they are and if they don't perform, get others at all cost WE WILL WIN.... hasn't worked to well has it? Bring the savior Gibbs in... wait he didn't do well in the first year back - GET RID OF HIM!!! (Sound familiar?)

DJ - okay, so he's the savior that would have brought us to the promised land!!! Maybe, maybe not. I've heard the hype and the love and even the stop looking for depth and fill a need. He was a "depth" and would not fit in the scheme we are trying to implement apprently. Wasn't Taylor and (a CB who's name escapes me) all the hype on the board last year and when DRob was picked, people screamed and questioned these same questions one year ago?

For those golly the Cowboy, Pats, Titans yada yada a better lovers... there's other boards out there, nobody's keeping ya here. It's good to have a disserning viewpoint but at least have a point to back it up as to why. Comparing these same team's year 3 to ours (or individual players) would be a good start.

Personally, with the TJ pick - it has sparked an interest. Glad to see some youth coming onto the line now before the others fall apart. Hard to get the 4 giving pressure when the 3 can't take on the O-line giving the corners and safeties a near impossible task of staying on their man for an extended amount of time.

Stopping the run? Was last year better?
Stopping the pass? Did we get pressure last year? I think we did add some things this year, personally. Last year we weren't quite up among the pack much less the elite.

Lastly - how will positions, a unit, or a team overall improve if your constantly bringing in new personell or methods thinking it's the cure-all when there will have to be square one learning process once more?

Not looking to sway anyone, as it's not gonna happen, but let's just stay tuned before we look to launch the front office and all players on a yearly basis (especially when there hasn't been a slight suggestion of a quality replacement.)

Sorry, that was about 5 cents.

 

[ComstockLode]

Ah... this is fun. As obviously, everyone has their opinion and highly doubtful another on the board will change their view, I'll add mine...

First of all - Casserly a marked man? Uh, no. Why did the Skins start adopting the knee-jerk attitude once CC left of get the "best players" out there in whatever role they are and if they don't perform, get others at all cost WE WILL WIN.... hasn't worked to well has it? Bring the savior Gibbs in... wait he didn't do well in the first year back - GET RID OF HIM!!! (Sound familiar?)

DJ - okay, so he's the savior that would have brought us to the promised land!!! Maybe, maybe not. I've heard the hype and the love and even the stop looking for depth and fill a need. He was a "depth" and would not fit in the scheme we are trying to implement apprently. Wasn't Taylor and (a CB who's name escapes me) all the hype on the board last year and when DRob was picked, people screamed and questioned these same questions one year ago?

For those golly the Cowboy, Pats, Titans yada yada a better lovers... there's other boards out there, nobody's keeping ya here. It's good to have a disserning viewpoint but at least have a point to back it up as to why. Comparing these same team's year 3 to ours (or individual players) would be a good start.

Personally, with the TJ pick - it has sparked an interest. Glad to see some youth coming onto the line now before the others fall apart. Hard to get the 4 giving pressure when the 3 can't take on the O-line giving the corners and safeties a near impossible task of staying on their man for an extended amount of time.

Stopping the run? Was last year better?
Stopping the pass? Did we get pressure last year? I think we did add some things this year, personally. Last year we weren't quite up among the pack much less the elite.

Lastly - how will positions, a unit, or a team overall improve if your constantly bringing in new personell or methods thinking it's the cure-all when there will have to be square one learning process once more?

Not looking to sway anyone, as it's not gonna happen, but let's just stay tuned before we look to launch the front office and all players on a yearly basis (especially when there hasn't been a slight suggestion of a quality replacement.)

Sorry, that was about 5 cents.

Sean Taylor and Deangelo Hall were drafted ahead of Dunta, so the same argument does not apply.

By the way, I have quit arguing that we should have picked up DJ, I am arguing that our defense is going to be horrible with the losses of Glenn, Foreman, and Sharper.

 

[Htown34s]

By the way, I have quit arguing that we should have picked up DJ, I am arguing that our defense is going to be horrible with the losses of Glenn, Foreman, and Sharper.

The level of Forman's contribution was questionable. Sharper was sound, but his play didn't match his salary. Glenn's play does match his salary IMO (thats why he's the last to go through this) because CB's are a premium. But his premium salary added with his longevity being only another year or two makes the Buchanan deal a no brainer.

Casserly and Capers know what they are dealing with here with output, salary, fan favorite, future output, etc. and we should be greatful that they are being as brutally honest as possible assessing everyone to make our team better.

 

[Htown34s]

I am very confused....I am willing to give people another chance but why didn't we pick any offensive linemen????? I am very very very very CONFUSED HERE....??????

Basically it was a down year for OL in the draft, coupled with next year being much better. Pretend you are a wine collector. Do you blow $1,000 on a bad harvest when the next looks so promising? Say the OL class is grading out at a C+. Do you use a high pick on a low grade player when you have an A- or B+ class in the waiting?

Casserly explained the same thing as why they took a DL with the 16th pick. TJ may end up being better then Jimmy Kennedy from last year's draft taken with a top 10 pick.

 

[OzzO]

Sean Taylor and Deangelo Hall were drafted ahead of Dunta, so the same argument does not apply.....

I meant it from the fans "this is the chosen one" perspective, not so much where they were drafted in relation to our pick, but I get what you're saying. (and thanks for reminding me of D. Hall)

 

[ojthecat]

Basically it was a down year for OL in the draft, coupled with next year being much better. Pretend you are a wine collector. Do you blow $1,000 on a bad harvest when the next looks so promising? Say the OL class is grading out at a C+. Do you use a high pick on a low grade player when you have an A- or B+ class in the waiting?

Casserly explained the same thing as why they took a DL with the 16th pick. TJ may end up being better then Jimmy Kennedy from last year's draft taken with a top 10 pick.

What OL would you have liked for us to pick??

 

[cuppacoffee]

Keep deleting me I want be coming back to see any games

Really think you will be missed?

 

[BattleRedGuy]

By the way, I have quit arguing that we should have picked up DJ, I am arguing that our defense is going to be horrible with the losses of Glenn, Foreman, and Sharper.[/QUOTE]

If Glenn is indeed gone, I do see a major problem with the defense until someone takes a leadership role. Right now, I do not know who that person would be and if nobody steps up, YIKES.

I agree the value of Sharper and Foreman from a productivity standpoint was no longer worth keeping them. I don't remember Foreman playing on passing downs at the end of the season and we had too many drives extended by 10-12 yard passes to an RB or TE. Speed is needed to cover this area (and cover for Peek until he gets it).

I'm not too worried about stopping the run. Walker, Payne and Smith can hold their own and keep the o-line off the backers. Maybe our new ILBs will get to the runner before he has already gained 4-5 yards. I'm hoping Johnson can provide the push of the middle on passing downs to at least make the quarterback think the rush is coming.

 

[beerlover]

In your eyes maybe, but not in Capers or Casserly's eyes. I'll defer to their judgement, not yours.

wow that really hurts, last check with the one exception of Morency the draft grades of Capers/Casserly where independant of anything I've read or heard, other players the Texans drafted graded out much lower than players passed on, thats not my opinion its from many different sources. I would certainly hope that with the millions they spend they do a better job, but does that make my opinion and of others any less valid?

they wouldn't have gotten cute, they would have picked him with the 13th. I know it would be easier for you to swallow if you thought that they wanted him, but "gambled and lost". But you are going to have to swallow hard and accept the fact that they didn't want your boy, so get over it!

you are really the funny one, not once during the entire draft process have a ever been on the DJ bandwagon, to be honest I didn't think he would even be an option so I did not want to fuel any fires. the fact he became available was unbelievable, that the Texans traded down then selected a player rated 72nd by ourlads with the 16th pick is absolutely dumbfounding.

It's been said from day one that DJ would be best suited to play the weakside of a 4-3. They saw a more impending need to to shore up the defensive line, not take a 4-3 linebacker and convert him to the 3-4 scheme. You do that with lower round picks.

in most cases I'd agree with that statement expect with the caliber of talent in DJ. You can't catergorize certain players other than to say they are playmakers and most people besides you of course would agree with that.

I'm glad that Casserly and Capers want to win enough to try to improve the football team, and glad they don't have your attitude about it. I'm really surprised you actually take the time away from "life's more important conquests" to bother watching football at all.

I will, thanks for your personal attack and outreaching arms of compassion. I guess anyone who disagrees with you has a poor attitude and should not bother watching football at all.

If DJ was as good as you think he was, he would have been gone way before the 13th pick. You didn't stop to wonder why he feel that far?

yeah right! DJ falling into the Texans lap was completly unexpected to wonder at the time, strange things do happen like why would Detroit take a WR with their 1st pick three years in a row? all I know and many people feel the same way (not just Texas or DJ fans) is that Derrick Johnson was the BPA @ the 13th pick.

Well, again, I'm sorry you feel this should be a popularity contest. If you lived up in the Northeast around the Boston area, you probably wouldn't be happy with how they run the New England Patriots either.

once again that pure speculation on your part. I only know & care about the Texans and this draft did not turn out favorably in my opinion for the future of the franchise. it was much easier to digest the trade for PB than trading down for Travis Johnson. all poplularity contests aside.

 

[texman8]

The safety's name is Glenn Earl. Man,you are depressing. What are you like when you are being negative? At the end of last season, Texans' defense had a stretch of seven(?) scoreless quarters till the cropper against the Browns. If the Texans can be more consistent on offense;that would help the defense.

 

[Htown34s]

What OL would you have liked for us to pick??

I liked Chris Spencer Center/6-3/309 from Mississippi. He was projected to go in round 2 or 3. He ended up going to Seattle with the 26th overall pick. A CENTER. David Baas was good too. He went 1st pick in the 2nd round. The interior linemen were good this year. Barron or Brown would be 2nd round picks any other time.

McKinney totally broke down on multiple occasions last year. I know nothing of Drew Hodgdon, our 5th round pick, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got some playing time this year.

 

[ComstockLode]

The safety's name is Glenn Earl. Man,you are depressing. What are you like when you are being negative? At the end of last season, Texans' defense had a stretch of seven(?) scoreless quarters till the cropper against the Browns. If the Texans can be more consistent on offense;that would help the defense.

That was more of a: I am not sure who is going to start there.... especially since they he is rotating with McCree.

And this is me being negative

But seriously, all things aside, I think we go 7-9 again from what I have seen so far. I like Greenwood alot, but having Wong and Greenwood in the middle doesnt look promising to me. We will be even younger and inexperienced on defense next year and that worries me alot.

Remember, the biggest jump in play is usually after the second season, so expecting the rookies to play that much better after last year could be unrealistic. But Dunta is a playmaker in every definition of the word so who really knows. I am just giving my opinion.

You can say screw him he is just on pissy cuz he didnt get his longhorn. I never expected to get him. I just really disliked our first round pick. I dislike Travis Johnson, and I thought we were drafting BPA. I would have been much happier with Marcus Spears who is much more proven.

Hopefully, I am way wrong and we go 10-6....

 

[Htown34s]

I don't remember Foreman playing on passing downs at the end of the season and we had too many drives extended by 10-12 yard passes to an RB or TE.

One reason you remember that is because Sharper was hurt the last few games of last year and DaShon Polk played instead. I think this might have been a red flag for the coaching staff on how much our LB crew were under performing. Polk filled in with little experience and there was no loss in talent. The coaches saw this and knew it wasn't Polk playing lights out, but that Foreman wasn't that special.

 

[texman8]

Using Ourlads' rating as a basis for dissing TJ as our 1st round pick is your right. Most mocks had TJ going in mid 1st round. Ourlads can be off the wall on some of their prospect ratings. I had their newsletter at one time,never renew it;same with Kiper's. The only one that matters is one is in Texans' draftroom.

 

[ComstockLode]

Using Ourlads' rating as a basis for dissing TJ as our 1st round pick is your right. Most mocks had TJ going in mid 1st round. Ourlads can be off the wall on some of their prospect ratings. I had their newsletter at one time,never renew it;same with Kiper's. The only one that matters is one is in Texans' draftroom.

I am a huge college football fan, and love to follow the scouting out of high school.

For those who dont know Travis Johnson was the number one rated DT coming out of high school. He did a great job as a freshman, and then his sophomore and junior season he had injury/problems of the field that kept him from being effective. Watching games of him, made him look like an arrogant jerk, who celebrated after every play where he touched a ball carrier.

He is a huge underachiever, and did not show fire all the time. Coupled with the fact that he is a known trouble maker and has alot problems with his temper.

I just generally dont like the personality I see on the field, along with I hate underachievers who dont get where they want because of off the field/effort problems.

 

[ledzeppelin229]

I want to address a few things that people seem to be questioning -

First, the idea we don't have any leaders left on the D - Gary Walker is still around, while he isn't at the top of his game currently, he's still more than capable of making sure the younger guys are working hard. I also think Wong can be considered a Def leader simply because he'll be one of the originals still left, and I think Dunta will step up into a leadership role in the secondary.

I think the TJ attitude issues are being overblown by people unhappy with the pick. The two major blemishes have either 1) been acquitted or 2) clearly the "punching a Minnesota scout" was severely inaccurate.

As for the Linebackers, we have two excellent coverage LBers in Greenwood and Wong and the argument that they aren't big enough to stop the run makes no sense at all. Green (238) is 1 lb less than Sharper, and Wong is listed at 250. Not to mention Babin (at almost 260) was extremely solid against the run and should improve in his 2nd year with the experience and the improved D-Line. Peek is listed around 250 and is probably our most athletic LB, so if he can play with discipline, I'm very confident about our LB core.

I would like to see Aaron Glenn stay but really I only see improvement on the defense. Overall it's a much more athletic group and I would be disappointed in a way if we don't lead the league in interceptions next season.

 

[ComstockLode]

I want to address a few things that people seem to be questioning -

First, the idea we don't have any leaders left on the D - Gary Walker is still around, while he isn't at the top of his game currently, he's still more than capable of making sure the younger guys are working hard. I also think Wong can be considered a Def leader simply because he'll be one of the originals still left, and I think Dunta will step up into a leadership role in the secondary.

I think the TJ attitude issues are being overblown by people unhappy with the pick. The two major blemishes have either 1) been acquitted or 2) clearly the "punching a Minnesota scout" was severely inaccurate.

As for the Linebackers, we have two excellent coverage LBers in Greenwood and Wong and the argument that they aren't big enough to stop the run makes no sense at all. Green (238) is 1 lb less than Sharper, and Wong is listed at 250. Not to mention Babin (at almost 260) was extremely solid against the run and should improve in his 2nd year with the experience and the improved D-Line. Peek is listed around 250 and is probably our most athletic LB, so if he can play with discipline, I'm very confident about our LB core.

I would like to see Aaron Glenn stay but really I only see improvement on the defense. Overall it's a much more athletic group and I would be disappointed in a way if we don't lead the league in interceptions next season.

Weight is not a big factor when it comes to linebacker play. It has to do with capabilities.

I will use DJ as an example since everyone thinks I am the biggest homer of all time, and I am trying not to dissappoint.

DJ weighed in at 245. But to think that he is a run stuffing tough linebacker isnt correct. He is a speedy agile linebacker that would be best in run blitzing and attacking from the weak side of the play.

Sharper took on blocks and made tough plays in the middle of the field. Greenwood is more of a speedy type defender and not so much of a guy who will stuff every run at him.

Obviously greenwood will be able to make some play as well, but I just dont see the big guy in the middle that people run away from. I see a speedy MLB that defenses will run at. I really have no idea what Wong will do in that position, but I have never been a huge fan of his.

We will see how it works out, and I hope I am wrong, but I am feeling pretty pessimisstic about our defense at the moment. As if all of you didnt already know this....

Many of you dont understand, but I realize that Greenwood and DJ would not have been good in the middle. We would get the ball rammed down our throat.
I originally was looking forward to a sharper DJ combo where DJ ran free to make plays in the backfield and from the weakside, and Sharper making the tough plays.

What I am most dissappointed about, is what our selection was. I didnt think Travis Johnson was anywhere near the best player on the board, and I do not think much of him. See some of my other posts...

 

[Htown34s]

We will see how it works out, and I hope I am wrong, but I am feeling pretty pessimisstic about our defense at the moment. As if all of you didnt already know this....

I agree with you ComstockLode. I have to hope that C&C checked out TJ enough and were satisfied. Remember Sapp coming out of Miami.

Dunta isn't a guy who a lot of offensive coords feared at the beginning of last year, but his small size didn't equate to his hitting ability. Lets hope that C&C have assembled a fast AND fearsome group this offseason. The fast part is known, the fearsome will have to be shown this fall...

 

[jr0ck]

this is for everyone who shares a simaliar opinion to this:

"wong sucks and doesn't make an impact. we have no chance against the run because sharper/foreman are gone. TJ isn't a 3-4 DL. the 3-4 sucks, if we run a 3-4 than why don't we draft players from a 3-4? we won't have a pass rush. blah blah blahbitty blah etc, etc"

i have this as response:

how good were we last year against the run with sharper at MLB?

travis johnson had this to say about his 3-4 experience thus far:

(on how he feels he fits into the 3-4 defense) “I’ve played all three positions, and I’m just waiting for the challenges and opportunities to show that I can play all three positions there.”

on playing nose tackle and his experience at that position) “I love nose tackle. I started there as a sophomore at Florida State. I’m ready and very excited about this great opportunity.”

-from the texans website

and to those who suggest we draft players from a 3-4 defense in college, only virginia and maryland used a 3-4 scheme last year. so unless you want a handful of players to choose from, from a draft of hundreds, you might want to reconsider your position.

as for wong being a difference maker, i guess 71 tackels - 5.5 sacks -3 ints - and 6 passes defensed doesn't change the game very much for our team, nevermind he is a very stout 250 lbs and a stanford graduate. yeah, he doesn't have the ability to lead a defense, cover and stuff the run at MLB, i would worry too

how aren't we going to have a pass rush next year? we know peek is fast off the edge, and without a first day pass rusher taken it appears the coaches have faith he will see close to full-time action next year. wong had 5.5 sacks last year to lead all texans. greenwood's speed is supposed to open our blitz packages up because of his ability to cover ground quickly in the middle as well as not be a liability in coverage. and last but not least...jason babin lead the team last year with QB pressure's and came away with 4 sacks. after last year's trial by fire under his belt (and a little luck ) double digit sacks wouldn't be that surprising. not to mention d-rob out of the nickel CB and TJ in the DL rotation to keep our big three fresh and disrupt the backfield as well. 17+ tackles for a loss in the ACC is pretty impressive

as for not having the players for the 3-4, the only position that is tough to find is a good two-gap NT. other than that the DE's are primarily DT's, the OLB's are pretty much mobile DE's and the ILB's are pretty much a conventional sam/will combo. we know payne can be a difference maker when healthy so why the confusion with personnel fit?

i think that pretty much sums it up ...

 

[Dionysus22]

I'm not here to cry and complain, but I do have to stick up for the Longhorn faithful. To say that DJ wasn't the right fit for us because he's a 4-3 LB is insane.

What did we just do with Babin last year? Wasn't he a 4-3 DE that we MADE into an OLB because he was athletic enough and we're giving him time adjust. And the jury is still out on him. I hope he does better this year, I really do.

Then we draft TJ...A 4-3 DT that we are planning on MAKING a DE to fit our scheme.

Why couldn't we draft DJ and MAKE him an Ilb that would fit our scheme? I admitt Greenwood is going to add some speed to it but wouldn't speed be better with even more speed!?

Speaking of Wong but didn't we MAKE him an outside backer? Wasn't he inside in MIN?

The point is, it seems like people are coming up with a bunch of excuses on why we didn't pick DJ. We'll never know. Only the people that were in that war room know. Only CC and Capers will know.

The bottom line is this, we could have MADE DJ into an ILB. And as far as the wrap on him "running around bloacks"...It's called coaching!!! I have faith in our staff that they would have straightend that out as soon as he would have gotten here.

But enough of that. What's done is done. I hope TJ blows G-funk outta tha water and takes his job. And he becomes a cornerstone of our defense for years to come. Welcome to Houston TJ!

 

[jr0ck]

To say that DJ wasn't the right fit for us because he's a 4-3 LB is insane.

i don't think that it isn't possible, or that DJ playing WIL in a 4-3 means he is a sqaure peg in a round hole. i think it has to do with more DJ's utilization in the 4-3 v 3-4. it is quite apparent that our coaches saw more possibility for babin to be made into a succesful 3-4 OLB than DJ being made into a 3-4 LB.

A 4-3 DT that we are planning on MAKING a DE to fit our scheme

this is actually speculation right now. in the interview i qouted from above, the reporter specifically askes TJ about "playing nose tackle and his experience at that position". he responded by saying “I love nose tackle. I started there as a sophomore at Florida State. I’m ready and very excited about this great opportunity.” when you think about the money we threw at payne and walker, bringing in a player who can play both NT/DE means his fate is still uncertain IMO.

Speaking of Wong but didn't we MAKE him an outside backer? Wasn't he inside in MIN?

he is a good fit at ILB, but says his true position is OLB, which he started at for us last year. shifting LB positions is not as drastic as making a former DE drop into coverage.

 

[Vinny]

I'm not here to cry and complain, but I do have to stick up for the Longhorn faithful. To say that DJ wasn't the right fit for us because he's a 4-3 LB is insane. Each with a different scheme

Not according to the Texans or the Panthers. We both passed on him.

What did we just do with Babin last year? Wasn't he a 4-3 DE that we MADE into an OLB because he was athletic enough and we're giving him time adjust. And the jury is still out on him. I hope he does better this year, I really do.

All OLB's are coverted DE's. Not a good argument. Babin had a solid rookie year. Hard to complain about his production when you measure it against other strong side 3-4 linebackers.

Then we draft TJ...A 4-3 DT that we are planning on MAKING a DE to fit our scheme.

In case you haven't noticed, all of our DE's are pretty much Tackles. We don't use conventional 4-3 ends

Speaking of Wong but didn't we MAKE him an outside backer? Wasn't he inside in MIN?

He was a DE in College if you really want to know. Thats what all our OLBs are btw.

Bottom line is the Texans didn't rate DJ as high as you guys. We all knew a good portion of the NFL didn't like his game in every defensive scenario. Looks like the Texans were one of them.

 

[TheOgre]

Some of you seem confused about the makeup of the 3-4. There are 3 linemen that are basically larger 4-3 DT's. There are 2 OLB's that are undersized 4-3 DE's (Dwight Freeney would be great as an OLB). The 2 ILB's need to be undersized LB's (almost oversized SS's).

The 2005 draft was the worst O-line draft in about 20 years. Go back and look to see when the last time the first lineman was taken 16th overall. I would bet it hasn't happen often, if ever. Next year's draft is supposed to be one of the best ones. 4 OT's could go in the top 10. I think CC knew that and didn't want to reach for someone (Barron) in this draft.

Thoughts about our current O-line - Pitts and Wand should be better in their 2nd year's in their respective positions. McKinney didn't play well this past year and it looks like they potentially drafted his replacement in the 5th round. Wiegert was our best lineman in 2003. He is a good run blocker but merely a fair (at best) pass blocker. He was hindered by nagging injuries all last season. I expect him to be better this year. Wade is our best lineman. He was injured some but is a very good run blocker and average pass blocker. In terms of talent, we have a better line than San Diego but worse results. We need to work on shorter passes and keeping more guys back for protection. The talent of our line is pretty good at run blocking, but it is average at pass-blocking (at best). I see us improving if we adjust our pass blocking schemes.

Defense:
D-line: TJ is better than any backups we had on the line. Payne sustained a major injury at the end of the season and might not be full speed at the beginning of the year. Walker underperformed last year. He might not be long for this team if Payne gets healthy. I'd like to see more from Robaire Smith this year too.

LB: Gutted. I think Peek is more of a pass-rusher than Wong. He needs to show that he will be disciplined in both run containment and coverage. I think he could excel for us. Babin was good as a rookie and should be better. I want to see him get to the QB a lot more though. I don't think you will find many people that don't think Wong will be an improvement over Foreman. Wong is more geared for the inside than the outside IMO anyway. Greenwood adds speed but hasn't been a playmaker in his career. He will get the opportunity in our system. I'm not sure if he is up-to-the task or not. Sharper has been a solid player but not a playmaker. Replacing Sharper with Greenwood has no downside IMO. I just not sure there is an upside either.

DB: Earl, Robinson, Faggin, and Coleman should be better with another year under their belts. I hope Glenn stays because I am not sold on Buchanon. Phillip has great tangibles, but I am concerned about his intangibles. Perhaps he can turn it around under us. I'd prefer to keep Glenn, but I don't see that happening. I think in the short-run Buchanon < Glenn. In the long-run, I don't see Glenn around for much longer anyways, so Buchanon represents his heir apparent.

I think a lot hinges on the play of Babin, Peek, Greenwood, and Buchanon this year. They are the players I will watch the most defensively.

 

[beerlover]

nice post Ogre, but I think most Texans fans understand the 3-4 by now, some are taking issue only with the fact Derrick Johnson could fit inside. The Texans also passed on Thomas Davis SS also with the idea of moving inside, maybe better in pass coverage. also we passed on David Pollack (your DE convert to the 3-4 OLB) Alex Barron a superior talent (but we are developing Wand) to Travis Johnson and Marcus Spears the top rated 3-4 DE in the draft on most boards other than the Texans.

Couple things remarkable happen'ed that really impacted the Texans. one was the Vikings taking Troy Williamson & not Mike Williams. then Detroit instead of taking Derrick Johnson selected Mike Williams. combine that with the fact the next two picks went 3-4 OLB in Demarcus Ware & Shaun Merriman the draft could not have gone worse for the Texans with that 13th pick. no way anyone can put a positive spin on this one for me, Travis Johnson was a need pick, not BPA all Casserly got was a 3rd pick next year and a rotational DT, not even a starter unless there are more injurys forthcoming.

Buchcanon for Glenn, maybe a long term gain if he comes to play up to his vaunted potential & the Texans are able to restructure his contract to reflect his value and insure his happiness, but Aaron Glenn to me is one of my favorite Texans, he always plays hard even when hurt, displays good leadership, tutors the young corners and is still excellent in coverage, he will be sorely missed.

My point is coming down to this- its all about big buisness and making good buisness decisions. it would seem the Texans are turning over a new leaf in this department and while it may be smart buisness does not mean its all good for buisness.

 

[cuppacoffee]

having CASS as our GM makes me wish the titans\oilers were still in town. well at least i have team to root for go Titans.

Your New Friends Are Waiting For You

 

[RocKetHtown]

well, according to Carolina, Thomas Davis (who has never played LB), is a better LB than Derrick Johnson... They were in a Superbowl two years ago, by the way.

I have no problem with complaining or even with criticism. I was excited when DJ was there at 13 as well. My response was to that joker who said that since the Texans don't like the Longhorns, he may not like the Texans.

Do me a faver Dale dont be calling me a Joker...Ace

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

:woot I was reading that Spears did 225 only 15 times . That may have hurt him with the Texans . If T Johnson plays like he should this will die down . I think him and PB will bring in a little of that Florida swagger . That may not be so bad ( Emmitt & Irvin ) .

 

[beerlover]

:woot I was reading that Spears did 225 only 15 times . That may have hurt him with the Texans . If T Johnson plays like he should this will die down . I think him and PB will bring in a little of that Florida swagger . That may not be so bad ( Emmitt & Irvin ) .

I sincerly hope your right about the Florida swagger, however Spears did 225 only 15 times is incorrect, Spears (6-3 5/8, 304) had 23 bench presses. as for Travis Johnson Johnson (6-3 7/8, 296) he also lifted 23 strength reps.

Everyone should know that I'm very dissapointed with this pick, with Marcus still on the board then going to Dallas, gee whiz it doesn't get much worse. if Travis becomes another Corey Simon then I'll be happy and admit I was wrong but for now I think the Texans did not evaulate him correctly as an interior lineman in the NFL with his speed and lack of dominating strength he would be more productive at end in the 3-4. his one redeeming characteristic is hustle & motor seems the Texans value this trait (look at Babin) more that raw skills, but then they could have picked Pollack as well and been finished with the Linebackers.

But I reckon its time to stop beating a dead horse and accept the fact he will soon be a Texan and support his role with the team. for the first time in years however you can bet I'm keeping a close eye on them Cowboys

 

[RocKetHtown]

This was a great topic...hahahaha go KC go DJ won and the Texans lost hahahahaha

 

[bigfootrulz]

texans look good today..poised for last place,new coach and a 1st round pick for next season

 

[RocKetHtown]

noway man the Gm will give the frist pick away for 2 second round picks lmbo

 

[Texas_Thrill]

That #9 pick we saw on NFL Draftcountdown.com isn't looking so UNrealistic right about now I tell you that.

 

[BigBull17]

That #9 pick we saw on NFL Draftcountdown.com isn't looking so UNrealistic right about now I tell you that.

Yeah it is ..... thats to high

 

[jr0ck]

This was a great topic...hahahaha go KC go DJ won and the Texans lost hahahahaha

prove it...


and i'm right AGAIN! jeez, who knew this could be so easy!

guys career's aren't defined in one opening day game. barring injury, it'll take AT LEAST 3 years to see if we won or lost in passing on DJ. and as long as TJ contributes more and gets a larger role (most likely GFunk's replacement), then we won't have lost anything.

noway man the Gm will give the frist pick away for 2 second round picks lmbo

and although this hypothetical is VERY circumstantial, five days out of the week you would do this. lower contract expectations by the draftees, and usually outside of the top 10, the talent from the middle of the first to the end of the third is negligible and subjective (to a much higher degree than the first ten picks).