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Casserlys a marked man

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thetexanator

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lets just hope he was right on this pick. we had the guy 90% of texan fans wanted available. he dropped like no one expected he would and by many accounts he was the best d player available. in my opinion, he had the best resume of any d prospect and all we heard leading up to the draft was they were going to take bpa and not draft for need. what happened? tj rated higher than dj?? maybe because of the system they had him rated higher, but here we go on the 3-4 that weve had 4 years to try to find the right players for and it seems to be more troublesome than the benefits we have recieved from it. DJ was a huge playmaker, we should have found a way to put him in the system. i dont care whats expected of a 3-4 lineman im pretty confident that he would have been an upgrade over wong in the middle. we have safties converting to lb's and qb's into cover guys, u cant tell me it would have been that big of a transition for an athletic guy like dj. as far as casserlys track record goes, i want to not like the guy for some of the picks he makes but hes had some hits like the buchanon deal and dd and faggins. then he comes around with terrible picks like joppru and hollings. this draft just really dropped cass down in my opinion. i bet im in the majority of cass being on most texans fans bad side. even with buchannon and whatever he does tommorrow, id give buchannon up to have dj. this is a nightmare.
 
First of all, the happiness my buddies and I realized we had DJ for the taking. He was right there. I understand trading down for more value. I could deal with it.

But basically stating that Travis Johnson and a 3rd rounder next year is better than DJ makes me laugh to myself. I am still in total shock over what happened. I could deal with us getting a better player and something more with the trade down. But Dear Gawd.

Travis Johnson would have lasted at least 5 more picks, and most mocks had him barely in the first round. Reasons:

1. Career Underachiever
2. Not considered a hard worker
3. Is a "thug" and does not fit the mold of high character players.
4. Has had rape charges pressed against him
5. Got into a fight in the combine where he punched a Minnesota scout.

So what the f*ck happened here?

What I got out of this, was that the texans were trying to trade down out of the 16th pick and pick TJ later on, and were not able to get any takers. So instead they picked him at 16.

Forget the fact that Marcus Spears is a much better player, adds a pass rush, and can stop the run. And he would be a good 3-4 DE.

Or even maybe Alex Barron, who has character issues, but none half as bad as TJs.

Mark Clayton- maybe give Andre a little help out there. And he could stretch the field.

Thomas Davis- Give us a big hitting safety along with our great coverage corners. This means alligator arms for recievers over the middle. This definately would help since we play the colts twice a season.

Pollack and Erasmus James both would have been much better value picks as well.

Comments by Capers and Casserly really makes my blood boil. Comments like: "We are looking to add depth"

The Patriots and Eagles should be looking to add depth. 7-9 Teams should not be looking to add depth. They should be looking for something to help them win more games now, or in the near future. This picks does not really help this team accomplish that goal. Our 3rd round pick will help us achieve a winning season more than our 1st. Is that not ridiculous? WE WERE 7-9. WE DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD DEPTH?????

I think we just blew our first draft thus far.

Sadly, it will hurt seeing him here in Houston with the chiefs. I have a bad feeling, that playing against the texans will give him even more extra motivation against the team that passed on him for an extra 3rd round pick.
 
unless you were in the texans draft room, you have NO idea what they were thinking. i think TJ will be an outstanding pick for our 3-4 system, and our team. they needed youth on DL, and they got it.

DJ myopics, keep thinking we skipped up the best player for US.

QUIT CRYING.................................
 
lol at giving up buchannon for dj. buchannon and travis johnson >>>>>>>>>>> derrrick johnson any day of the year. i'm gonna laugh when dj is a bust next year cuz he isn't physical. it's gonna be funny watching him trying to run around the broncos, raiders and chargers o line then get pancaked.
 
Janus3 said:
lol at giving up buchannon for dj. buchannon and travis johnson >>>>>>>>>>> derrrick johnson any day of the year. i'm gonna laugh when dj is a bust next year cuz he isn't physical. it's gonna be funny watching him trying to run around the broncos, raiders and chargers o line then get pancaked.
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They said the same thing about Jonathan Vilma... who was your rookie of the year last year. Or maybe Derrick brooks, because he cant take on blocks. OR maybe even Ray Lewis, who was late first round because he couldnt take on any blocks.
 
ComstockLode said:
They said the same thing about Jonathan Vilma... who was your rookie of the year last year. Or maybe Derrick brooks, because he cant take on blocks. OR maybe even Ray Lewis, who was late first round because he couldnt take on any blocks.
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coincidence vilma and ray lewis are from miami and brooks from FSU? big 12 is a soft confernece with weak teams.
 
Maybe people should wait to see how the pick (Travis) plays out before they ***** and moan about firing Cass or say they dont like the pick. Give it a chance I remember Eagles fans booing McNabb and that's worked out pretty well for them.
 
Janus3 said:
coincidence vilma and ray lewis are from miami and brooks from FSU? big 12 is a soft confernece with weak teams.
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That may have been the dumbest comment I have ever read. You mustve been in the draft room with casserly.
 
Travis Johnson would have gone to the Bengals at 17 if the Texans hadn't taken him. The only spot that DJ would really fit in a 3-4 is the same spot they signed Morlon Greenwood to play. There are as many concerns from teams about DJ as there were about Travis Johnson.

It's absurd to think Casserly and the Texans are going to base their jobs on the players the fans want chosen. They draft the guy that they feel will help the Texans win. They understand that many fans are fickle when it comes to local players, but that's not the way to run a successful team. Do you think Belicheck worries that the fans think they should take some UMass player with their first pick? I seriously doubt anyone is going to cancel their tickets or stop being a fan because they made a personnel decision like this. If they do, there will be 10 people ready to take those seats.

Let's give the players an opportunity to show what they have to offer. 8 months from now everyone could be talking about how great this pick is. I'm sure some of the same people saying Casserly should be strung up will be the first ones to claim to have loved this pick if it turns out well.
 
Right on. If you hate this pick, that's fine, just don't come back and say it is outstanding after TJ is

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after 2005 is over.
 
we had the guy 90% of texan fans wanted available
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that doesn't make it the right pick, i for one didn't think that he was the bar-none the best player for OUR team. most people have not seen travis play, so right now we can't say that it was a bad pick. reading about him makes me a little more excited, he was a freshman all-american before he had a minor neck injury. he was never able to get back into the starting line up because of who he was behind and his shoulder injury. people bring up his shoulder injury but he had his best season afterward. his rape charges were dropped and he plays with a mean streak, which is a plus on the d-line as long as he doesn't let it get out of control.
 
Anyone who says that one draft prospect is better and has a brighter future.. ON DRAFT DAY... honestly.. think about it.

There have been so many "sure things" that were total busts.. and so many "sure busts" that are going into, or already in, the hall of fame.

it is a pointless and stupid arguement. Come back in 4 years.
 
ComstockLode said:
They said the same thing about Jonathan Vilma... who was your rookie of the year last year. Or maybe Derrick brooks, because he cant take on blocks. OR maybe even Ray Lewis, who was late first round because he couldnt take on any blocks.
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the knock on vilma was that he wasn't that big because he was a shade above six feet and about 233 lbs. i don't think i ever heard that he wasn't physical, did you see the 2002 rose bowl?
 
ComstockLode said:
That may have been the dumbest comment I have ever read. You mustve been in the draft room with casserly.
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that coming from someone with a UT player as an icon doesn't really hold any validity.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Travis Johnson would have gone to the Bengals at 17 if the Texans hadn't taken him. The only spot that DJ would really fit in a 3-4 is the same spot they signed Morlon Greenwood to play. There are as many concerns from teams about DJ as there were about Travis Johnson.

It's absurd to think Casserly and the Texans are going to base their jobs on the players the fans want chosen. They draft the guy that they feel will help the Texans win. They understand that many fans are fickle when it comes to local players, but that's not the way to run a successful team. Do you think Belicheck worries that the fans think they should take some UMass player with their first pick? I seriously doubt anyone is going to cancel their tickets or stop being a fan because they made a personnel decision like this. If they do, there will be 10 people ready to take those seats.

Let's give the players an opportunity to show what they have to offer. 8 months from now everyone could be talking about how great this pick is. I'm sure some of the same people saying Casserly should be strung up will be the first ones to claim to have loved this pick if it turns out well.
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I posted similar comments in another thread. These comments are SPOT ON. Marvin Lewis was all over TJ. You UT homers need to get a grip. UnBEleivable! Amazing how SOOOOO many teams passed on a reckless, poor wrap up tackler like Derrick Friggin Johnson. They ALL must be nuts!!
 
I'm the biggest Longhorn fan in the world. In the past five years, I have been to every single home and away games. I have been to every bowl games, and thats why I love DJ and Benson. But I too had my concerns of him fitting into our 3-4 defense. Lets think about this with an open mind: Do you really think that if Casserly and Capers knew that DJ would become an all-time pro LB for atleast the next decade, which most of DJ supporters over here seem to think, would they pass on him for a mere third rounder. COME ON! They would have been all over him before the clock ran down to 14:00. They are the ones being paid the big money by Mr. McNair and certainly they are a thousand times better than us in evaluating talent and making decisions in the best interest of this franchise. Lets not act like that we know a lot more than them and that we deserve the money they're being paid for doing their job.
 
And another thing...you people that are using a guy's last BOWL GAME as an end-all showcase of what a player can do need to quit worrying about football and start diagnosing the USA's chances of soon competing in Table Tennis in the Olympics. (Is there a PUKE emoticon on this board?)
 
LoNghoRn-TeXaN said:
I'm the biggest Longhorn fan in the world. In the past five years, I have been to every single home and away games. I have been to every bowl games, and thats why I love DJ and Benson. But I too had my concerns of him fitting into our 3-4 defense. Lets think about this with an open mind: Do you really think that if Casserly and Capers knew that DJ would become an all-time pro LB for atleast the next decade, which most of DJ supporters over here seem to think, would they pass on him for a mere third rounder. COME ON! They would have been all over him before the clock ran down to 14:00. They are the ones being paid the big money by Mr. McNair and certainly they are a thousand times better than us in evaluating talent and making decisions in the best interest of this franchise. Lets not act like that we know a lot more than them and that we deserve the money they're being paid for doing their job.
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great to hear the POV of someone a longhorn fan who looks at the big picture with an unbiased opinion. awesome insight, thanks.
 
thetexanator said:
maybe because of the system they had him rated higher, but here we go on the 3-4 that weve had 4 years to try to find the right players for and it seems to be more troublesome than the benefits we have recieved from it.
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You may have a point there. It's frustrating when many of the best defensive prospects don't seem to fit our system every year.

We pass on blue-chip prospects like Julius Peppers & John Henderson because they don't fit and end up gambling on undersized linemen like Babin that we will try to convert to linebacker.

It's hard for me to get excited about Babin, but hopefully he will change my mind one day.
 
Look on the bright side of this. If these guys don't work out the Texans will have a new GM and new coaches within two years.

And if they do work out... then they worked out.

Most experts had him ranked as the number one DT. No one can know today know if TJ will work out or not...

But I can say I don't like his off the field track record of problems and I wouldn't have taken him simply for that.

I also know that I saw a stat that with TJ's pick that was 8 defensive players taken in the last 10 draft picks. And yet going 80% defense... our defense sort of sucks. Either the players or the coaching has been bad.

I also know that TJ is a Texan now and we should always welcome new Texans.
 
Julius Peppers? Think we pick Carr that year. Henderson? Think we got Andre. Yeah, both are great defensive players. Dre already a great player; Carr ,getting better( will be even better once he stops running for his life!)....Yeah,I like DJohnson but I guess the Browns, Cowgirls, Cards and even the Saints didn't see he could fit their defense. From most mocks, T Johnson went in high 10's where he was projected. So it was btw him and Spears,guess they liked him better. TJ,Buchanon,Morency....decent draft....Maybe, some of ya will let your emotions settle down and wait till training camp and games to see how they perform. As for the naysayers, nothing will ever appease you. Hoping we will get some OL,WR and LB depth on 2nd day.
 
dirty steve said:
unless you were in the texans draft room, you have NO idea what they were thinking.
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Well, you're correct here. I admit that I (along with a great many other fans in here) have no idea what they were thinking. None whatsoever.
 
at some point they (Texans management) will need to pack the house with not just a winning product but an exciting product. the last home game I went to last year against the Colts was really a bummer & trust me there are other things to do on a beautiful Sunday like that one. my point being DJ would help fill the seats and as buisnessmen this should account for something in their war room. the difference between TJ & DJ may be only one pick & the difference on the field may be negligible but in the stands, the bull pen, the tailgating........HUGE :hmmm:
 
I really hate the longhorns I mean I despise those cow ****ing *******s, but DJ is going to be a great player in the mold of D. Brooks or DJ Williams. Vilma was never talked about as running around blocks it was DJ Williams who the talked about. I think the TJ pick is reasonable, not my favorite, but I will pass judgement throughout the year. Everyone that is bitching about DJ should just calm down and get your "I told you so" pills ready. TJ fits our mold as a 3-4 DE and Morency is our second running back. Hey Cass took a chance that he would be able to pick up an extra pick and still get DJ it just did not work out so chill out people lets see what this year has to offer, maybe TJ is the next Richard Seymour or something.
 
cadahnic said:
Hey Cass took a chance that he would be able to pick up an extra pick and still get DJ it just did not work out so chill out people lets see what this year has to offer, maybe TJ is the next Richard Seymour or something.
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I keep hearing people say this but does not this statement reflect a different spin, maybe its the fact that both last names are Johnson :confused:

GM Charley Casserly

"We opened the day with the 13th pick in the first round. Our feelings were that there would be a group of players available at pick number 13 that we liked. That was the case, so we decided to trade back. We would have taken Travis Johnson at the 13th pick, but New Orleans offered us a chance to move back with an extra pick for next year’s draft, a third round pick, and we felt comfortable that Johnson would still be available three picks later. When we arrived at the 16th pick, additional trade offers were available to us, but the offers were picks for next year or post third round. We felt if we moved back again the percentages were against us to get Johnson. He is the player we targeted for this area in the draft, so we decided to go ahead and pull the trigger at that point. Come to find out after the pick, another team had him on the board and if we would have moved back, we would not have gotten him."
 
I think he put the perfect spin on the pick. I like the way Cass puts spins on things. The way he put the spin on the Babin trade or the pick of Hollings. Like I said TJ, DJ, T. Davis, and Spears, were on our board and we knew we could get one of them and pick up a pick in the process. Take the shot and if we lost the top two on our board we get a good consolation prize in TJ. I can almost guarantee that if DJ would have fell to 16 and we would not have picked him, Cinci would have.
 
beerlover said:
at some point they (Texans management) will need to pack the house with not just a winning product but an exciting product. the last home game I went to last year against the Colts was really a bummer & trust me there are other things to do on a beautiful Sunday like that one. my point being DJ would help fill the seats and as buisnessmen this should account for something in their war room. the difference between TJ & DJ may be only one pick & the difference on the field may be negligible but in the stands, the bull pen, the tailgating........HUGE :hmmm:
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That is absolutely the most rediculous statement I've read in awhile. I actually did laugh out loud when I read that.

This draft is NOT some fricken popularity contest. Bum Phillips once said if you start making football decisions based upon what the fans want, then very soon you be a fan yourself. I, for one am happy that we have a GM who has the guts to make an unpopular choice, even though that choice is the most sound smart move for the football team.

Business decision? Oh my GAWD!
 
Marcus it would have been a good business decision watch how many D. Johnson jerseys get sold in K.C. But you are right that it is not about business decisions for our franchise. We had an opportunity to add youth to the line and we did. Hopefully he will be a great pick and refute what Bowden said about him taking plays off to much. Hey Cass makes the picks and until I own my own team I will see what happens during the season.
 
Hervoyel said:
Wins put people in the seats faster than anything else.
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Not to mention. When a team is winning the draft is not questioned or given a second thought. The fact is we will have to wait to see what impact this draft will have on the team. I trust CC.

btw dj was mentioned as a possible bust in this draft at that position. I think it was on NFL network or ESPN.
 
beerlover said:
my point being DJ would help fill the seats and as buisnessmen this should account for something in their war room.
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Despite passing on DJ, I bet Reliant Stadium will be filled up as usual.
I don't anticipate UT fans boycotting Texan games because of the Texans taking TJ instead of DJ.
 
hound said:
Look on the bright side of this. If these guys don't work out the Texans will have a new GM and new coaches within two years.

And if they do work out... then they worked out.

Most experts had him ranked as the number one DT. No one can know today know if TJ will work out or not...

But I can say I don't like his off the field track record of problems and I wouldn't have taken him simply for that.

I also know that I saw a stat that with TJ's pick that was 8 defensive players taken in the last 10 draft picks. And yet going 80% defense... our defense sort of sucks. Either the players or the coaching has been bad.

I also know that TJ is a Texan now and we should always welcome new Texans.
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Well this is the last thing I hope that happens. Switching coaches & staff's because things ain't going your way is the surest road to mediocraty. Just ask the Browns, Raiders, ect.
After the the instant gratifacation is done, you're still left with a mess to clean up. We're in a very good position. We've got a great QB, an o-line with a year togehter under their belt, a true back up for DD, young legs in the devensive backfeild and defensive line. It could be a lot worse.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, you're correct here. I admit that I (along with a great many other fans in here) have no idea what they were thinking. None whatsoever.
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I do. :) They had DJ, Davis Thomas, and the top rted DT lumped toghether @ 13. N.O. Called and offered the 16 and a 3rd to move down . CC took it. Bang, Bang. Da gone. :woot

And Beer lover they can laugh at me too. Just make sure all you Texas haters snatch up all the singles so I won't get my Sunday Ticket Blacked out. DJ's gonna fill out to about 252 and run like the wind. You can get a player stronger to fix the point of attack problem. But they ain't got a pill for speed yet. You can lock it. DJ will be a pro bowl LB in this league for a very long time. Just darn bad luck.

And Bum Phillips is the last guy you should be Quoting about managing a frachise. After the party was over, there were a couple of 1-14 seasons in there. I love bum, but the Munchack and Mathews era for the Oilers began as a direct result of Bum Phillips trading away the future. Was the Knocking on the door worth it, of course. But if you trade away the future there's going to be a price to be paid. I'm OK with missing DJ. The extra third was worth the chance. But what I know for sure if Travis is gonna sign a contract and then sit on his fat rear end, he will never be good enough to carry DJ's, or Thomas Davis' jock. He ain't Curly Culp, yet. But he has a chance to be.
 
texman8 said:
Julius Peppers? Think we pick Carr that year. Henderson? Think we got Andre.
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Not my point.

Besides, Henderson was picked the year we picked Carr, not the year we picked Andre.

My point is that many of the top defensive prospects don't fit our 3-4 scheme. Peppers and Henderson are merely examples. I didn't say that we should have picked Peppers over Carr.

Besides I would have picked Bryant McKinney over Carr. I believe you need to build your offensive line before you select your QB. I think Carr might even back me up on that one, but that's completely off topic.
 
cadahnic said:
Marcus it would have been a good business decision watch how many D. Johnson jerseys get sold in K.C. But you are right that it is not about business decisions for our franchise. We had an opportunity to add youth to the line and we did. Hopefully he will be a great pick and refute what Bowden said about him taking plays off to much. Hey Cass makes the picks and until I own my own team I will see what happens during the season.
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The business decision in Houston is nobody would have bought a DJ Texans jersey but would have worn the orange "11" jerseys.
 
Janus3 said:
coincidence vilma and ray lewis are from miami and brooks from FSU? big 12 is a soft confernece with weak teams.
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You're comparing Miami and FSU to the Big12 conference as a whole? How stupid is that? Let me clue you in, the Big East and ACC are weak conferences (or were when Vilma, Lewis and Brooks played).

If you're only going to go by single teams (as you did with Miami and FSU), then why not single out Texas from the Big 12? Wouldn't that make more sense? And where did Texas finish in the polls compared to Miami and FSU this year?

I agree with you from the standpoint that DJ wasn't the best player for the pick. But the logic you used makes no sense whatsoever.
 
:shocked I admit on the surface it looks like a no brainer . A linebacker is only as good as his DL . The Texans needed to draft a DL more than a LB .
The Astros play the popularity game and are stuck with 2 huge contracts and no takers . I applaud the Texans for going for what they believe is right and not trying to be popular . :howdy:
 
The only thing funnier than us passing on DJ would be if we had drafted him and he truly didn't fit the system and didn't live up to his potential.

Well, it wouldn't really be that funny but I would like to see it in an alternate reality sometime.
 
Marcus said:
That is absolutely the most rediculous statement I've read in awhile. I actually did laugh out loud when I read that.

This draft is NOT some fricken popularity contest. Bum Phillips once said if you start making football decisions based upon what the fans want, then very soon you be a fan yourself. I, for one am happy that we have a GM who has the guts to make an unpopular choice, even though that choice is the most sound smart move for the football team.

Business decision? Oh my GAWD!
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first off, DJ was the BPA.

second, if they really wanted him this was not the time to get cute.

third, if he was from Texas or not he was the most exciting defensive player to watch on Saturdays & I see no reason why he could not translate his game to Sundays.

fourth winning is not everything to me. having good people with outstanding character like Jamie Sharper, Aaron Glenn & Gary Walker despite adversity who still play hard is just important than a silly stupid win that really in the end doesn't mean a damn thing as far as lifes important conquests.

fifth, other than Dunta Robinson on defense there was no redeeming aspect to the defensive effort last year against the Colts, if the Texans had DJ at least in my opinion another playmaker would have helped and the stadium would not have been half empty before the game ended.

sixth, strikes me more and more like big buisness that lost touch with its own marketplace. their are different schools of thought on how to turn a buck, owning a football team, winning, allowing access to the facitlites and promoting fundraisers supporting the needy are all important facets. selecting the BPA that reflects the passion of its people does not strike me as being irrevlent or unrealistic, it strikes me as arrogant. now thats a bad buisness practice to engage in. I'm out :mad:
 
I didnt really like the TJ pick... We need depth and youth on DL, but that could have been addressed in later rounds. DJ could be a HUGE playmaker in a year or 2, but the pick has been made and cant be helped... I do believe that he redemed himself in the 4th by picking Mathis! :thumbup This guy is gonna be a major burner (4.28 40 time! Moss runs 4.25). When he beats out Bradford for the #2 spot (sometime this season) its really gonna open up our offense! The Colts 2 new CB's wont be able to cover AJ AND Mathis!!! :woot
 
LoNghoRn-TeXaN said:
I'm the biggest Longhorn fan in the world. In the past five years, I have been to every single home and away games. I have been to every bowl games, and thats why I love DJ and Benson. But I too had my concerns of him fitting into our 3-4 defense. Lets think about this with an open mind: Do you really think that if Casserly and Capers knew that DJ would become an all-time pro LB for atleast the next decade, which most of DJ supporters over here seem to think, would they pass on him for a mere third rounder. COME ON! They would have been all over him before the clock ran down to 14:00. They are the ones being paid the big money by Mr. McNair and certainly they are a thousand times better than us in evaluating talent and making decisions in the best interest of this franchise. Lets not act like that we know a lot more than them and that we deserve the money they're being paid for doing their job.
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thank you! as soon as i saw your name i thought here we go again, but you gave a great opinion that i agree with. he was incredible in college and will be a good fit in a 4-3 because he wont have to beat as many blockers, but in a 3-4 he doesnt fit. i see dj being a lot like derrick brooks is in tampa bay, where he forces a lot of turnovers. instead of questioning this pick, i say we commend casserly on the morency pick, one of the best ive seen in this draft so far. and anyone who says that people thought vilma and ray lewis werent physical coming out of college knows absolutely nothing about football. vilma was undersized but was still picked high because he WAS physical. lewis wasnt picked high in the first round because people didnt understand the fire and passion he has on the field, instead evaluating him by combine times and things such as that. they also didnt know how great of a work ethic he would have once he came into the league.
 
beerlover said:
first off, DJ was the BPA.

second, if they really wanted him this was not the time to get cute.

third, if he was from Texas or not he was the most exciting defensive player to watch on Saturdays & I see no reason why he could not translate his game to Sundays.

fourth winning is not everything to me. having good people with outstanding character like Jamie Sharper, Aaron Glenn & Gary Walker despite adversity who still play hard is just important than a silly stupid win that really in the end doesn't mean a damn thing as far as lifes important conquests.

fifth, other than Dunta Robinson on defense there was no redeeming aspect to the defensive effort last year against the Colts, if the Texans had DJ at least in my opinion another playmaker would have helped and the stadium would not have been half empty before the game ended.

sixth, strikes me more and more like big buisness that lost touch with its own marketplace. their are different schools of thought on how to turn a buck, owning a football team, winning, allowing access to the facitlites and promoting fundraisers supporting the needy are all important facets. selecting the BPA that reflects the passion of its people does not strike me as being irrevlent or unrealistic, it strikes me as arrogant. now thats a bad buisness practice to engage in. I'm out :mad:
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the best way to turn a buck is to win. the best way to please your fans? also to win. what better way to showcase your fans passion than to win? if travis johnson helps us win the super bowl in a few years, will you still be mad that derrick johnson wasnt picked because he represents the passion of the fans? as for his background, that is somewhat of a concern, and it is definitely a viable question mark because he made mistakes, but i am confident that the strong presence of veterans on the texans will turn him the right way. the texans have had very few off the field issues, and i think it is due to a strong core of veterans who set the young players straight. i hope this rubs off on not only johnson but buchanon too.
 
#1 pick-Travis Johnson- I think he is over rated. The reasons why. #1 lack of playing time and experience. #2 Has had problems off the field. #3 All the scouts say he is more of a 4-3 d-lineman than 3-4. #3 pick-Vernard Morency-Don't get me wrong i like this dude as a player. But he is the same type of back as Domanick Davis,but with not as good of hands and fumbles to much. #4 pick-Jerome Mathis-I think this is the best pick so far. But will he be just like Corey Bradford but a headcase? WE WILL HOW THIS DRAFT WORKS OUT LATER DOWN THE LINE. But so far I don't like it.
 
beerlover said:
first off, DJ was the BPA.
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beerlover said:
In your eyes maybe, but not in Capers or Casserly's eyes. I'll defer to their judgement, not yours.

second, if they really wanted him this was not the time to get cute.

If they wanted him, they wouldn't have gotten cute, they would have picked him with the 13th. I know it would be easier for you to swallow if you thought that they wanted him, but "gambled and lost". But you are going to have to swallow hard and accept the fact that they didn't want your boy, so get over it!

third, if he was from Texas or not he was the most exciting defensive player to watch on Saturdays & I see no reason why he could not translate his game to Sundays.

It's been said from day one that DJ would be best suited to play the weakside of a 4-3. They saw a more impending need to to shore up the defensive line, not take a 4-3 linebacker and convert him to the 3-4 scheme. You do that with lower round picks.

fourth winning is not everything to me. having good people with outstanding character like Jamie Sharper, Aaron Glenn & Gary Walker despite adversity who still play hard is just important than a silly stupid win that really in the end doesn't mean a damn thing as far as lifes important conquests.

I don't know how I could even respond to that, except to say that I'm glad that Casserly and Capers want to win enough to try to improve the football team, and glad they don't have your attitude about it. I'm really surprised you actually take the time away from "life's more important conquests" to bother watching football at all. :thumbdown

fifth, other than Dunta Robinson on defense there was no redeeming aspect to the defensive effort last year against the Colts, if the Texans had DJ at least in my opinion another playmaker would have helped and the stadium would not have been half empty before the game ended.

If DJ was as good as you think he was, he would have been gone way before the 13th pick. You didn't stop to wonder why he feel that far?

sixth, strikes me more and more like big buisness that lost touch with its own marketplace. their are different schools of thought on how to turn a buck, owning a football team, winning, allowing access to the facitlites and promoting fundraisers supporting the needy are all important facets. selecting the BPA that reflects the passion of its people does not strike me as being irrevlent or unrealistic, it strikes me as arrogant. now thats a bad buisness practice to engage in. I'm out :mad:

Well, again, I'm sorry you feel this should be a popularity contest. If you lived up in the Northeast around the Boston area, you probably wouldn't be happy with how they run the New England Patriots either. :rolleyes:
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Let me tell all of you something, We wanted DJ, we being the fans not the coaching staff. Im sure they know what will work out for this team at the end, that is why they are the coaching staff and we are the fans. That is why we pay to watch, and they get payed to do. And before we start bashing, can we not even wait to see how DJ and TJ play out? Can we not even wait and see who we end up getting with that 3rd round pick next year? What if we come away with the next Warren Sapp or the next Randy Moss in that 3rd round? I will say i was very very upset at passing DJ, but there has to be reasons. So before you start your whining, just stop and wait to see how it all plays out, CC and Dom have been doing this for years, so please just stop and let it all happen first.
 
They need a TE so what do they do let Bo go to Tenn ...humm maybe The Texans dont like Longhorns..O well Im starting to not like The Houston Texans :thumbdown
 
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