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Casserly trade talk

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from http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2005PreDraft.html

Texans GM Charlie Casserly during a radio interview last week... stated that it's very likely that his team will trade out of their first pick which is the 13th overall...Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft....the Texans have two glaring needs...one on the O-Line at the Left Tackle position and the other on Defensive side of the ball at the Inside Linebacker position...since the team is Drafting 13th overall...taking an Inside Backer with that pick is out of the question since the Top Prospects (Crowder,Thurman and Ruud) all carry a late first round grade at best... however...the Texans could land the Draft's top OT Alex Barron if they were to move up to the Lions pick at #10 since the teams drafting ahead of the Lions have other needs and are likely to pass on Barron...the Texans could also be targeting WR Troy Williamson to pair with Andre Johnson and give Qb David Carr another weapon...it seems that the Lions pick at #10 could become the "Hot Spot" on Draft Day...

Thought this was interesting... :hmmm:
 
Why would we move up for Barron? We should stick with Wand for this year, and if he fails, look OT in the first next year when the OTs coming out are actually good...
 
I would love moving up for Troy Williamson but if we do move up and both DJ and TW are there I want DJ!
 
It sounds like the speculation by this reporter is just that. I see DJ possibly playing ILB with us. Plus we need both a starting inside and/or outside LB, so we could take DJ and place Wong inside. This guy is reaching with his conclusions since he really has no idea of our LB situation.

If we trade up to take Alex Barron I'll be some kind of PO'ed...
 
Why would we move up for Barron? We should stick with Wand for this year, and if he fails, look OT in the first next year when the OTs coming out are actually good...
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I agree. IMO Wand will have to do a pretty horrible job this season to get replaced, he had a solid season last season starting his first full season at LT and I think and hope he will only improve, but if we do have to replace him after the '05 season, we can look to next year's draft like DRek stated, or look at free agent tackles...
 
I think Philly, GB, KC, possibly a team or 2 more wants to move up/ KC would give us #15 and 3rd. The others would have to either give up several late round pics or a #2. I think we can get a OLB in Ware at any of those picks.. if he is gone their is Blackstock and Burnett. If we get another 2nd we can get the WR and prob a CB. Then we can go DE, OL, RB, or S here.
 
Moving up to take Barron-nightmare!
Moving up to take DJ-don't we need a pass rush at OLB the jury is still out on peek. Plus deep draft for talent and we need depth
Holding out at #13 where somebody unexpectedly falls to us-grab em' or pick up some extra picks-just right
 
As much as I would love to have DJ as an ILB, the Texans have too many needs for depth to trade up to get him. If he or Spears falls to 13 I would be extremely happy. Otherwise, I would like to trade down and get more draft picks.

Burnett would also be a good fit for ILB in the 3-4.
 
if KC trades we would get 1st 4th and 5th... they dont have a 3rd.
1st #15 worth 1050
4th #110 worth 74
5th #141 worth 35

if GB trades
1st #24 worth 740
2nd #51 worth 390
they have 2 #2's i am sure they are more than happy to part with 1 to get Alex Smith

If Philly trades
#31 worth 600
#35 worth 550

These are some what ifs from teams i heard want to trade up.
 
The Preacher said:
All those look like sweet deals especially the first two.
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those are just what ifs from teams i have heard want to trade up... i havent heard of these deals... i have heard some ppl think KC will trade and GB will but i thought Philly bc i heard they want to move up... I dont think its high enough for them though.
 
royce1054 said:
those are just what ifs from teams i have heard want to trade up... i havent heard of these deals... i have heard some ppl think KC will trade and GB will but i thought Philly bc i heard they want to move up... I dont think its high enough for them though.
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If Williamson or maybe Clayton is available at 13 I think Casserly might be able to talk Philly into making that deal.
 
BornOrange said:
If Williamson or maybe Clayton is available at 13 I think Casserly might be able to talk Philly into making that deal.
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What i am hearing is Philly want Mike Williams. So that means #7 or higher. Thats gonna mean trading up almost the whole draft.
 
As long as we get at least four players the first day I'd say things went well. It looks like there are solid players through round 3 at least. If Philly wants to deal why not we could snag Burnett and Bass or assortment of any other players you like.
 
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea
 
I would love that deal with Philly but i think there trarget is Mike Williams. I dont think Williamson or Clayton are thier targets though. I would be more than happy to see the Texans with more than 2 picks on the 1st day bc of the depth of this draft.
KC Deal happens we could get Ware, Miller, Clayton
GB deal happens we could get Blackstock, Burnett, White, Browner, maybe ware
Philly deal happens we could prob get Burnett, Jackson, Brown, Gibson we might even get 2 of these names
 
I could see us trading up to #6 for DJ. Tennessee needs players and not huge contracts right? At the very worst we would have to give up both our 3rds. I know many may not want to give up both thirds, but remember, one of those came from a 6th round pick. So it would kind of cost us a 1, 3 and 6 to get DJ. Just try'en to be optimisitic about trading up because if we trade up it will probably cost us more than a single 3. I could go for a playmaker in the first and miss out on some potential starters in the third. Judging by what types of players we have traditionally picked in the third round, every single one has been a project of sorts. We've had Peek, Wand, Ragone, Weary, Hill, and a traded pick. Hill was gone fast, Ragone could be a great backup/trade bate, Weary hasn't done a lot, Wand has started primarily due to need and Peek will hopefully start next year and shows some flashes of being a playmaker. I would not be upset to get an almost sure fire playmaker in exchange for two of the type of guys we go for in the third.
 
I dont think people are upset with the idea of drafting him....just the idea of trading up to draft him....if hes bpa at #13...then why not he's a hell of an athlete, but not worth trading up for since he's not our primary NEED.
 
keyfro said:
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea
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well obcourse Texans are not gonna telegraph their plan. They will either say we are looking at this player or we are not interested in this player. Alot of the mock websites if you look at the picks dont have a clue of whos going to go where. Not every team is going to draft a player for the future or the pick just plain doesnt make sense. Most mocks also dont involve trades. Barron will be there at #13 unless a team decides to trade up and take him. I am used to idea of seeing it even though it doesnt make sense since they said its wands position. I can see a 3rd or 4th round OL to add depth.
 
UberDork said:
I could see us trading up to #6 for DJ. Tennessee needs players and not huge contracts right? At the very worst we would have to give up both our 3rds. I know many may not want to give up both thirds, but remember, one of those came from a 6th round pick. So it would kind of cost us a 1, 3 and 6 to get DJ. Just try'en to be optimisitic about trading up because if we trade up it will probably cost us more than a single 3. I could go for a playmaker in the first and miss out on some potential starters in the third. Judging by what types of players we have traditionally picked in the third round, every single one has been a project of sorts. We've had Peek, Wand, Ragone, Weary, Hill, and a traded pick. Hill was gone fast, Ragone could be a great backup/trade bate, Weary hasn't done a lot, Wand has started primarily due to need and Peek will hopefully start next year and shows some flashes of being a playmaker. I would not be upset to get an almost sure fire playmaker in exchange for two of the type of guys we go for in the third.
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Why would we help a division rival get the players they need. We need those other picks and possibly more to fill depth on this team that we need. We have 2 positions from what i have heard are up for grabs. WR, OLB. We can get 1 in the 1st round and the other in the 2nd. If we get another #2 then we can get Glenn's replacement. We can even get that in the 3rd if we dont get another #2. If we dont get the other #2 we will have atleast 3 #3's. We could fill CB, DE, OL all in the 3rd round. then the 4th round can be a RB,S, or TE. Doesnt that sound better than tradeing picks away to a division rival. To be honest i think Philly will trade half their draft to move to #6.
 
I just don't see any great reason to trade up unless you're a player or two away like Philly. No knock on Babin trade it looks like it will work out I look forward to watching him tear it up I just don't want it to happen again. The teams who load up on picks like NE and Philly usually do all right during the season.
 
this is what i heard from philly
#6- 1600
For
DT Simon
#30- 600
#35- 550
#63- 276

if simon isnt in the deal it will go up to all thier 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round pick
too much i dont think they will pull New Oreleans its just something dumb i saw on a mock draft on a site. The Titans fans we soooo happy
 
Basically I am all for getting impact players at important positions. DJ at the Mac spot would be big...providing he performs as most think he would. If we trade down, that is fine by me as long as we get impact guys. I feel like we are getting a fare amount of depth each draft. We need playmakers. I know we still need some depth at a few positions, but we are not nearly as thin as years past. We have several OL guys who are all pretty good...of course we can upgrade, and of course we have to upgrade soon. But, since I am taking the stance for moving up in this thread, we don't have to get an OL in the third. If OL is that big of a problem we can either get lucky or reach in the 2nd. I would love to see us pick up a CB or WR who could also perform return duties, thus freeing up another spot for a young guy to get a few plays in per game...but that may have to wait till next year. As far as helping a division rival goes, I could argue that the Titans would be helping us by letting us get DJ...just because they have a few more 3rd round picks does not mean they will make good choices...Before I end this post, let me reiterate that I would be all for trading down if we can still get players who have a lot of big play potential. If we get guys who are solid players that don't make big plays, then what progress have we made by letting both ILBs go? We get younger, but if we want to get deep into the playoffs, just being younger won't cut it.
 
Floyd Reese is pretty slick I am sure he'd be happy to deal I don't think they could afford Simon though plus they have starks and haynesworth. He'd probably take a bunch of picks i'm sure. I get the feeling edwards and williams hype is starting to soar I know if I was Miami I'd be leading that so Titans won't get that chance(to deal with eagles). Philly knows they ripped off the dolphins for feeley maybe they give them their pick back plus their other #2 and #31 overall. Saban would probably take that.
 
trust me they will get alot more from Philly than they will get from us. They might not have the #6 contract but they will have #30 #35 pick and possibly more... I almost hate to see it that will make them good. Philly is willing to give up alot to get Mike WIlliams. Houston isnt willing to give up the same amount.

How about this. seattle might trade Alexander and #115 to Ravens for the #22 pick and some 1 more pick this year and #3 next year.

If that trade happens. Seattle will have #22 and #23 pick. Maybe that could be possibility for a trade. I am just bringing up whats ifs here. I seriously don think we will stay at #13 or trade up
 
The Preacher said:
Floyd Reese is pretty slick I am sure he'd be happy to deal I don't think they could afford Simon though plus they have starks and haynesworth. He'd probably take a bunch of picks i'm sure. I get the feeling edwards and williams hype is starting to soar I know if I was Miami I'd be leading that so Titans won't get that chance(to deal with eagles). Philly knows they ripped off the dolphins for feeley maybe they give them their pick back plus their other #2 and #31 overall. Saban would probably take that.
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I mean this is just a deal i heard. I dont think it will happen i am just passing it along. I am sure Philly would love to give up their 1st, #2, 4th, 5th, 6th to move into top 1st round. i think they want a 2nd and a 3rd plus a top 6 pick maybe a 7th rounder they will walk away smiling... i dont know about if they have a compensation pick or not.
 
Ever since we targeted Orlando Pace, everybody thinks we have a horrible LT situation and they think we are targeting Alex Barron. That is not a case. When you have the possibilty of trading for the top LT in the game, well you going to look into that possibilty. That didn't happen. Orlando Pace was our first option. Seth Wand now is the 2nd, a good 2nd. WE WILL NOT go after Alex Barron. Trust me.

I still think the Texans #1 guy is Marcus Spears. The only problem, San Deigo has picked up interest in him, and remember they hold the #12 pick. What I am thinking, Casserly is expecting Spears not to be their at #13.

Our second guy is Derrick Johnson. From all the mock drafts I have seen, this guy has a range of going from #3-#15. He has the talent of a Top 5 pick, but there is no need for him from #1-9. I think Detriot is sitting pretty good, they want to move down, but I don't see why not take Derrick Johnson.

I think Casserly is thinking if those two guys aren't there, then trade down, get some extra picks, and address your needs on defense. As someone said, Darryl Blackstock or Demarcus Ware would work great, and we could gain some extra picks.
 
Well i dont think we will go Barron or Spears. I dont think Spears was ever a possibility. I seriously think trading down is our best bet. Depending on what team trades with being KC, GB, Philly, Seattle we could get a late round 1st rounder possibly a 2nd from GB or Philly or 1st, 4th and 5th from KC. Either one says to me that the pick will be OLB. Then we can get our #2 WR in the 2nd. if we have 2 picks we can get Glenn's replacement. If we have 3 3rd rounders imagine the depth we will draft their. Trading down is the best option
 
keyfro said:
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea
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A few things to think about:

-Most, if not all, of the people who make mock drafts are not pro scouts and don't fashion themselves to be, so they're usually just making guesses
-We made a pretty high profile run at Orlando Pace, and it's easy to perceive that as a cry for O-Line help, and not as an attempt to add one of the top 10 players in the NFL
-LT is the most important position on the O-Line, and if Casserley says we want to strengthen our O-Line, it's easy to misperceive that and make a target out of a guy who was a 3rd round pick out of NW Nowhere St and not focus on the real problem, which is the interior of the O-Line

We will draft an OT this year as depth, but IMO there is no need to spend a first rounder on a guy who has been called "unmotivated" by more than one person...
 
I personally think it was it was legit that we would test the waters on Pace...I seriously doubt that we really were going to give up the farm to get him. I also think that we are hoping that it became a game of poker.. and Possibly get a team to jump ahead of us in the draft to get barron (thinking we will take a LT) so one of those "elite" guys would slip to us :heh:
 
Thats a very good point. A good GM will always say he is going after a guy he really is not. Kind of a smokescreen to other teams. Thats one reason why everybody kind of "AWWWW"s at the picks and going what in the world?
 
if GB trades
1st #24 worth 740
2nd #51 worth 390

obcourse Green Bay will Pick Alex Smith

This is the trade i like the most.
#24 we could go Demarcus Ware, Darryl Blackstock, Kevin Burnett
#47 we could go Reggie Brown, Matt Jones, Fred Gibson,
#51 we could go Bryant McFadden, Marlin Jackson, Eric Green

these are players i think will be there at those picks
 
Green Bay has too many holes to fill to trade up...Also, Alex Smith won't be available at 13, so why would Green Bay have an incentive to trade up? Their needs can be filled if they stay put...They could take a guy like Brodney Pool at 24 and Elton Brown at 51...There's is no way GB trades anywhere but down come draft day...
 
D-ReK said:
...IMO there is no need to spend a first rounder on a guy who has been called "unmotivated" by more than one person...
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Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?
 
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.
 
outofhnd said:
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.
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We might give them their Henson pick back :heh:
 
Lucky said:
Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?
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First off, let me say I have not seen Barron play. I can't say what is wrong with him other than the fact that the guy is 6-7, 320, runs the 40 in the 4.8-4.9s, has a 38 inch vert and a 4.62 short shuttle and is not considered an out of this world LT prospect. With those numbers, it seems something is not right for him to not be considered a superelite LT. He has the athletisism; he lacks something else. I don't know what that is, but the guy is not rated where his athletisism should place him.
 
Lucky said:
Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?
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FWIW, I've only seen Barron play once (versus Virginia this past season) and he looked decent...He seemed to recognize their 3-4 very well for someone who hadn't played against it very much...On the field, there's no denying that he's a good player...It's sometimes hard to see if a player is playing "unmotivated", though, and I think most of the talk regarding this centers around the fact that he wasn't anything more than good in college, he wasn't a dominator despite being blessed with great athletic skills...

Here's a quick quote from Drew Boylhart who did a pretty extensive report on him after his pro day workout...

If you are a member of this site and read my profiles, you know by now that I am going to jump all over this ‘freak of nature’ time like no one else will. This to me is a big time RED FLAG because you now have a dominating, athletically talented LT that did not dominate at his position in college and the question is WHY? Well, let me be the first to tell you why. If this time in the 40 yd run is true, then this kid is a very lazy, unmotivated human being. If Alex showed this type of special speed on the field of play this past year, Alex would have been talked about as a top five pick in this draft before this special work out. Scouts would have been talking about no one else in this draft way before this little bit of marketing information hit the newsstands. You would have seen it in the films and believe me, the average fan would have seen it also. A blind man’s dog would have seen this type of athleticism and made sure his master knew about it. Someone needs to check the cereal box this kid is eating breakfast from or find out if this is the same kid that I have on film! As Eminem would say, “Would the real Alex Barron please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?!”
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He is still raw.

I think he hasnt played enough LT to be a star LT prospect.

I saw something either on NFL network or ESPN news and They were comparing him to Gallery and why Gallory was #2 overall pick and Barron who had better combine numbers isnt projected in the top 10.

The one thing i found interesting that they cited was the fact Gallory and IOWA ran the ball considerably more than FSU. That means you saw Gallory making more pancake blocks and dominating more. where as barron was mostly confined to pass coverage for the most part at FSU.
 
this is something from Dan Pompei that might shed some light on Barron:
Third round: Ray Willis, OT, Florida State. If teammate Alex Barron had Willis' heart, he might be the first pick in the draft. Willis will be physically outmatched at times, but his toughness and focus will win a lot of battles.
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D-ReK said:
Green Bay has too many holes to fill to trade up...Also, Alex Smith won't be available at 13, so why would Green Bay have an incentive to trade up? Their needs can be filled if they stay put...They could take a guy like Brodney Pool at 24 and Elton Brown at 51...There's is no way GB trades anywhere but down come draft day...
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Alex smith will be there.. bc Johnson will go to Cleveland Rolle will go to Arizona... no 1 else other than New Oreleans is in the run for a QB
 
outofhnd said:
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.
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I dont see us moving up at all. We need depth on this team. I dont think we will trade up at all. I think KC might be a good trade. We drop back 2 picks and pick up a 3rd round pick. That is much more realisitic than us trading up. Somebody will want the pick and will offer us enough to take it. We only have 2 positions up for grabs but we need depth at 4 others. We need more picks in the 1st 4 rounds.
 
royce1054 said:
Alex smith will be there.. bc Johnson will go to Cleveland Rolle will go to Arizona... no 1 else other than New Oreleans is in the run for a QB
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I really don't see any way he falls past Arizona at 8...Their QBs are terrible, and as the old saying goes, "If you don't have a franchise QB, you had better get one"...Denny Green is an offensive minded coach who hasn't had much success drafting defensively in the first round...Smith WILL be picked by AZ if he's there...I understand you have your opinions and I have mine, and we'll see how things turn out in 18 days, 11 hours, and 31 minutes...
 
i dont think he will they have Warner. Plus the chances of Arizona being good next year isnt that good. Next years crop of QB is better than this years. They will go CB in Antrel Rolle, or Carlos Rodgers or trade down
 
Warner only signed a one year contract, so he's definitely not their long term answer...If they took a QB, it would allow him to sit him and allow him to learn the playbook, much like Eli Manning did last year...They probably should go defense in the first, but if Smith fell to them, I am almost positive they'll take him...Also, I think AZ has a good chance of being a playoff team next year...They will see marked improvement...
 
Come on Seattle is the only playoff team in the division. By far the weakest division. I have seen Smith on alot of mocks but some of my sources are saying that they will go defense to complement the WR's, FA QB they signed, and the possible trade of Travis henry. My question is why not Barron to replace Shelton if that happens? Thats if the trade goes through. I think they do need another QB but i dont think a 1st round QB unless Smith goes #1 then i think they will take Rodgers.
 
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