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Casserly on Inside the Game Tonight at 10:35pm

Actually Bob Allen referred to Vince Young declaring in the show and even if it was taped before the actual announcement, it was common knowledge that he was declaring that morning.
 
Dream

Do you actually believe that the decision regarding the 1st pick will be Casserly's? Tell me that you don't actually believe that . . . please!

I know McNair will have a say so in it, but it doesn't help that CC has a man crush on David Carr.
 
The Dream said:
I know McNair will have a say so in it, but it doesn't help that CC has a man crush on David Carr.
VY supporters, please list for me VY's stats, intangibles, and mannerisms that make him you all's top prospect. Nothing emotional would be great.
 
The Dream said:
I know McNair will have a say so in it, but it doesn't help that CC has a man crush on David Carr.

You got a direct line to Kettle there Pot? Maybe you and Vince can double date with Charlie and Carr?
 
You got a direct line to Kettle there Pot? Maybe you and Vince can double date with Charlie and Carr?

Who in the hell says that I'm jocking VY, all I'm doing is mentioning the obvious things that the man can do, why you guys sit here and rejoice over our pretty boy QB who has done nothing in 4 years.
 
Actually Bob did not mention that he declared since he didn't even know Vince was going to make his announcement when the show was taped. It made for a nice panic attack Sunday morning when the news broke out. But the message is still the same either way. The Texans want to win now, not later. QB's take time to learn the pro game. RB's don't. It's really that simple. We'll have another Bush in Texas.
 
Toxicology said:
This is a longish post, but I really wanted to get some feedback on my points (that I'm sure others have discussed to some degree.)

1. IMO, the new coaching staff will have more impact on the Texans from a W-L perspective in 2006. If Bob McNair is being realistic, 6-7 wins for 2006 is the goal. The new coaching staff can probably get there, regardless of whether we get Young or Bush. Switch to the 4-3. Run DD and Morency behind the Denver Bronco's line. That's enough for 6 to 7 wins. Shoot, the 2005 team should have won 4-5 games.

2. Then who to chose, VY or Bush? What to do with Carr? The best way for Bob McNair to hedge his bets is to pick up the 2 year option on Carr and draft VY. In 2006, Carr gets one last shot to show what he's got. While he's doing that, VY is learning and the fans aren't going beserk. The team wins 6-7 games, the fans aren't angry b/c VY is waiting in the wings. After a 2-14 debacle, 6-7 wins is ok.

3. What's worse for Carr? Draft VY and the fans boo every time Carr throws an incompletion, chanting VY's name? OR, let VY go Tennessee and the fans will boo every time Carr throws a bad pass. It's the same. The only difference is that the fans won't be upset at the team if VY is here.

4. Doesn't McNair want an "impact player"? Yes, but see point 1 above. Bush won't have that much of an "impact" from a W-L standpoint. (my opinion). Bush's impact would be from a gate/fan interest standpoing. VY kicks bush's *** in that category.

5. Fast forward to mid or end 2006: At that point, You know a lot more about Carr's ability, you have insight on VY's progress.

Here are the possibilities for 2006:

A. Let's say Carr takes a huge step forward and you are faced with dealing VY. The rest of the world doesn't know squat about Vince's progress and he is still hot property. In next year's draft, it is entirely conceivable that you could package VY and our first round pick for Adrian Petersen. No stretch whatsoever. In 2007, you have a polished Carr and Adrian Petersen. Yeah, that doesn't stink. I'll go on record right now and say that Adrian Petersen's NFL career will crush Reggie Bush's (and I hate OU). What about angering the fan base? Well, if Carr is proving to be the guy, the fans will understand a lot better than if McNair declines to draft VY now, before anyone knows whether Carr will ever live up to his "potential".

B. Alternatively, let's say Carr improves, but not much, and VY is progressing. You are faced with trading Carr for a 3rd rounder. So, in 2007, you start VY, DD/Morency. Under this assumption though (that Carr doesn't improve much in 2006 under the new staff), thank goodness you didn't pick Bush instead of VY. IMO, A mediocre Carr plus Bush is probably not good enough to get into the playoffs, certainly not enough to unseat Indy, and certainly not enough to win it all. Even if Bush becomes an elite running back. Remember, Indy has Manning, James and Harrison - Mannign being the most important piece. Assuming that Bush becomes an elite rusher (and not Eric Metcalf, Rocket Ismail or Desmond Howard), we'd have James and Harrison, but no Manning. A 2nd year VY has the potential to push us into the playoffs. No lock to do so, but potential with a high upside.

C. Alternatively, Carr doesn't improve, and VY looks clueless, and Bush was Rookie of the Year with 1,400 yards rushing. We'd be better off with Carr and Bush, but we could still deal VY. Nobody else knows that VY can't get the job done. This is our worst case scenario, but the down side is controlled.

In short, by taking BY, you delay the QB decision, control the downside risk, take the path with the highest upside, and enable yourself to make the decision based on much more information -- all at little or no cost to the franchise in terms of Wins and Losses and fan base.
makes a lot of sense to me I `ll buy that
 
The Dream said:
Who in the hell says that I'm jocking VY


You, in big letters about a quarter mile high with every post you've made in the last two or three days.

It's no biggie. "Wordem" has you beat by a mile. He's announced his man-crush in rhinestone letters a thousand feet high. His posts are like QB porn or something.
 
profan said:
Cass. has been about average in the draft. Been terrible in free agency. Getting rid of glen and sharper was a disaster. Missed on a few draft picks,, but nothing major. We will be in good shape after this years draft no matter who we take, but i truly believe vince young will be the best choice for this team in the long run. Our rushing offense was pretty good this past year, but, our passing was terrible. Take Young, but we will be should win either way, just like our chances better with Young.
Didn't Sharper blow out his knee and likely end his career? Wasn't that Aaron Glenn giving up a 70 yd TD pass to Moss of the NY Jets with only minutes to play, thus losing the game? They are both older and closer to retirement than providing any meaningful contributions on the field. I'm begining to wonder if CC knew this season would be a wash with the same pathetic coaching staff and tried to dump salary and age (are you listening Gary Walker?) to made us leaner in the future.
 
GoBlue said:
Didn't Sharper blow out his knee and likely end his career? Wasn't that Aaron Glenn giving up a 70 yd TD pass to Moss of the NY Jets with only minutes to play, thus losing the game? They are both older and closer to retirement than providing any meaningful contributions on the field. I'm begining to wonder if CC knew this season would be a wash with the same pathetic coaching staff and tried to dump salary and age (are you listening Gary Walker?) to made us leaner in the future.

One play does not a CB make. Glenn also sealed their Charger win and started the second half of the year when Henry went down. He did a great job. I believe it was more Roy not getting there at the safety spot by the way. He was a leader. Again, lacking on this team.
 
HoustonFrog said:
One play does not a CB make. Glenn also sealed their Charger win and started the second half of the year when Henry went down. He did a great job. I believe it was more Roy not getting there at the safety spot by the way. He was a leader. Again, lacking on this team.
clearly Glenn would have been much better than P-Buc this year. I just don't know if it would have been worth big money to keep him for another year or 2. Hopefully we draft a decent corner in the 2nd or 3rd round, 'cause Petey is a nickel back PERIOD.
 
You, in big letters about a quarter mile high with every post you've made in the last two or three days.

Dude, me saying that Vince is a leader, winner, having untapped potential is not jocking.......it's just the flat out truth.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
You got that right. When a school has their own network contract they have an unfair advantage. Not quite sure how that is allowed.

By remaining an independent. Not real sure how that is an unfair advantage in the Heisman. NBC doesn't vote. They just broadcast all the Irish home games so that all the Irish fans can watch their team.


:coffee:
 
"...It's no biggie. "Wordem" has you beat by a mile. He's announced his man-crush in rhinestone letters a thousand feet high. His posts are like QB porn or something." -- hervoyel

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Ouch.

Gets my vote for the "call-out" post of the week. Nice one.

Someone else said it best: "Makes you think Casserly knew this season was a wash and so he went ahead and cut dead weight (Sharper and Glenn)..."

I love how Casserly is the biggest "fraud" of all but yet he's somehow still here after Capers got royally booted. Of course, for those same Casserly-haters they don't recognize that McNair is capable of separating out who's responsible for what around here.

I've said it, and I'll say it again: If anything, Casserly should be congratulated for at least gaining us some players (almost exclusively in the draft) who we will can still utilize with our new coaching staff and whatever system they will employ. Capers' 3-4 style, as Dunta put it himself, was out of whack with the type of players he was putting in certain spots within the 3-4. And I think Capers' and Pendry's style of offense was also a mis-match with our players. Imagine Casserly saddled with the burden of tyring to get whomever Capers wanted but also knowing that Capers is probably history after the 2005 season anyway! That's called doing the best with what ya' got.
 
cuppacoffee said:
By remaining an independent. Not real sure how that is an unfair advantage in the Heisman. NBC doesn't vote. They just broadcast all the Irish home games so that all the Irish fans can watch their team.


:coffee:


You gotta respect Notre Dame. You never see them scheduling teams like Appalachain State and Louisiana Lafayette. They generally have pretty tough schedules.
 
I am so late to this party, but I just had to comment about the interview last night.

Casserly was playing word games.

I saved it on Tivo, so I'll watch it again tomorrow, but that was my impression watching live last night.
 
Most definitely he is playing word games.

I don't even have to see the tape.

It's typical stuff: A lot of generalities and the ever-important cliff hanger of what he DIDN'T say. Talking in circles, leaving himself wiggle room for the day when Carr gets told that he's been TRADED.

I'm in the "trade the pick and get the 'Brick" camp, and yet I somehow feel that this will end up with us taking Young or Bush at No. 1.
 
Tulip said:
I am so late to this party, but I just had to comment about the interview last night.

Casserly was playing word games.

I saved it on Tivo, so I'll watch it again tomorrow, but that was my impression watching live last night.


If it makes you sleep easier at night, then you can think that.
 
well i think we have all just about had it with casserly...IMO he deserved to be fired last offseason when he stated that our three main needs were OL, TE, and a #2 WR...what did he give us...no TE help, victor riley, and re-signed dropford...he passed on muhammid, burriss, and mason as recievers...at the very least we should have picked up one of the recievers...kept aaron glenn and not traded for p-buc...with the 2nd and 3rd rounders going to the other needs that the team needed

now we have a chance to correct a lot of the mistakes done last year with this year's draft and FA...and for all of ya'll debating on whether we should draft bush or young neither are the best "football" move to make...neither fill any of our main holes on this team...if we switch to a 4-3 defense(and we will) our number one need will be an every down DE...#2 will be OL help...#3 will be a #2 WE...#4 is a TE...#5 is a 2nd CB...and #6 is LB's...runningbacks and quarterback is not a need for us...so techniquelly the best move is to trade down in the draft and pick up as many picks as possible

that being said i fully understand going after either one of the top two guys in the draft...VY is the hometown savior and Bush would give us a RB that we wouldn't have to worry about getting hurt every play...but that's just my two cents
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Someone else said it best: "Makes you think Casserly knew this season was a wash and so he went ahead and cut dead weight (Sharper and Glenn)..."
So what did the master mind get us for those players?? I know Glenn Started for Dallas, won Defenseive player of the week once....... Didn't look bad.

gpshafer_1976 said:
I love how Casserly is the biggest "fraud" of all but yet he's somehow still here after Capers got royally booted. Of course, for those same Casserly-haters they don't recognize that McNair is capable of separating out who's responsible for what around here.

I've said it, and I'll say it again: If anything, Casserly should be congratulated for at least gaining us some players (almost exclusively in the draft) who we will can still utilize with our new coaching staff and whatever system they will employ. Capers' 3-4 style, as Dunta put it himself, was out of whack with the type of players he was putting in certain spots within the 3-4. And I think Capers' and Pendry's style of offense was also a mis-match with our players. Imagine Casserly saddled with the burden of tyring to get whomever Capers wanted but also knowing that Capers is probably history after the 2005 season anyway! That's called doing the best with what ya' got.

Before the Stadium was Built, we all knew we'd be playing a 3-4. Didn't Casserly get the memo?? & you say McNair's got it all figured out?? Our Corner says we have the wrong personnel for the 3-4, so we'll fire the head coach, and let the GM build the right team with anther coach.
 
"...Before the Stadium was Built, we all knew we'd be playing a 3-4. Didn't Casserly get the memo?? & you say McNair's got it all figured out?? Our Corner says we have the wrong personnel for the 3-4, so we'll fire the head coach, and let the GM build the right team with anther coach..." --thunderkyss

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Man, you are realllllly combative. Have you YET to even offer up some sort of "but I can see what you're saying," or perhaps a "...you're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree?"

You just desire so badly for a victory on each of your arguments.

I'm cool with that. I'm kinda' the same way.

Look, you're not following what I am saying about Casserly. The guy, in spite of Capers' inability to plug the right players into the 3-4, has brought us some pretty decent players. McNair said so himself, claiming that Casserly has done enough according to Reeves to show that Capers was at fault for not placing the puzzles correctly. Casserly is not a coach, he's a GM. He arranges for the coach to get what the coach needs as it fits into the team's budget and future, etc.

To me, and THIS IS MY OPINION (big disclaimer, OK?), Casserly has drafted us the talent that satisfied Capers but yet has also managed to be plugged into the new system whenever the new coach takes over. In short, I think he juggled the demands of his job well.

But people want to pair the GM up with the head coach because it's an easy fit. He wears bad suits, his hair style is Trump-tastic, and he has pock marks on his face, so he's an easy target.

Casserly is here for one more year, so relax and drop the Casserly-hating until we see some results. Who knows, we might just make the playoffs next year...and that'll leave the boards with crickets chirping when it comes down to giving credit where credit is due. Oh, but it will be because of the new head coach and it will also be because of us getting Young or Bush.

Why some of you blame the GM is beyond me. Some bad decisions? Yep. BUt not as many bad decisions as he's had good decisions. Chew his rear out for grabbing Mathis why don't you? "He doesn't have sure hands!"

Oh, and the 4th round DD pick was also a puker of a pick, huh? What a stretch...geez, he's just a 3rd down back at best, maybe kickoff return, too.

We;ve got the talent, we just need a coaching staff who isn't amateur hour.
 
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