Casserly on Inside the Game Tonight at 10:35pm

[Vinny]

I don't have a problem with him or what he's done. The fans hated Ladd too but the team he drafted won a lot of games and the people loved that. The football fans are rarely the guys you want to go to for insightful decisions on player personnel. You know that Vinny.

I grew up with the Oilers as a child...This franchise doesn't get my childhood love. They have to earn my adult adulation. It's hard to get with a smug GM who has failed this franchise for 4 years with his poor scouting from FA to the draft. I know you don't think Casserly has done a poor job but I think you are way off on that one.

People can say it wasn't just "one game" all they want but where was this outpouring of demand for Vince Young prior to that one game? It didn't exist.

Much like me, they all bought into the fact that Young wasn't coming out. Everyone knows that Young is the first big time underclassman player in the new Horns era to bolt for the NFL. It's a new dynamic, and he is a future NFL superstar. Heck I've been talking Young up for a year. I don't have time to search but here's a thread where I'm talking about Young way before he delcared for the draft...

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/f...tid=55633&highlight=superstar+young#post55633

Running backs are a dime a dozen. More pop up every year and we can always get a great back if we need one. Heck, nobody wanted Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick last year. Nobody wanted Edge James...why? Backs are a dime a dozen no matter how great they are. Quarterbacks? Totally different story since all 32 teams don't even have a quality starter (much less franchise quality starter) and they are incredibly hard to find.

 

[Vinny]

Well, I'm taking the the "If David Carr is here" in the context that they would if they traded Carr before the draft.

I dunno. Charley's good with word games.

He said we would not take a QB in the draft. Who do you have playing QB if we trade Carr after we don't pick Young...I think you have your sequence out of kilter here. The only word game is the one you are playing on yourself.

 

[playoff year please]

Is it possible that CC is saying this stuff to keep people from claiming the Texans and Young spoke to each other and broke some rules of the draft, or whatever rules are out there?

 

[tulexan]

You also have Bob McNair say that they are going to draft someone who is going to make an immediate impact to the team.

 

[GP]

That's the same language VY used: "I'm PLANNING on returning for a senior year..."

Throw in the "if," and you've got what we call WIGGLE ROOM.

At best, I think Carr is 50% "on the fence" in terms of ebing here or not when draft day rolls around.

All this talk about Reeves and other evaluators saying that Carr has the tools and the talent, and the big push to make it known that we are picking up his option and that "he's our guy," is (in my opinion) an attempt to drive up his trade value.

In the same fashion, the "we're taking Bush no matter what" is an ESPN.com report that cites no source (anonymous source....yeah, right) and is again a purposefully leaked bit of gossip to ALSO drive up Reggie Bush's draft stock so we can maximize his value on draft day.

Again, I'm thinking the Texans are playing this pretty cool: They are driving up Carr's intrigue among teams that have miserable QB situations, and they are also driving up Reggie Bush's value at the same time. To me, they are working all the angles and seeing what comes of it.

 

[Marcus]

I don't have the sequence out of kilter. I said, trade Carr before the draft. If they trade Carr before the draft, then they can draft Vince Young.

 

[Vinny]

I don't have the sequence out of kilter. I said, trade Carr before the draft. If they trade Carr before the draft, then they can draft Vince Young.

I know YOU said this but you are commenting on Casserly's comments. Casserly said we would not take a qb in the draft. If we dont take a QB how the heck are you going to trade Carr and start Banks?

 

[texan279]

I don't have the sequence out of kilter. I said, trade Carr before the draft. If they trade Carr before the draft, then they can draft Vince Young.

Thought we had to either sign him to the extension or he becomes a UFA? Why would we sign him to trade him?

 

[HJam72]

Draft day:

Top 3 picks chosen in the following order:

1) Bush
2) Leinart
3) Young

The most repeated post on this message board will be the following:

Did the Texans just draft Bush to fool everyone because they're really going to trade Bush for Young before training camp? Did they? Did they?

 

[BREAZE]

You also have Bob McNair say that they are going to draft someone who is going to make an immediate impact to the team.

Yep. heard that too which favors Bush. I wish the interviews where taped later in the week because I got a since all these talks were the day after the Rose Bowl. 4/29 is a long ways away...

 

[GP]

"Is it possible that CC is saying this stuff to keep people from claiming the Texans and Young spoke to each other and broke some rules of the draft, or whatever rules are out there?" -- playoff year please

That's part of it.

IMO, the other part of it is to keep everything cool for the next month or two...giving time to see what comes out of their fishing trip: They are driving up Reggie's stock by saying "we're taking him even if VY comes out..." and they are at the same time driving up Carr's trade value with teams that have miserable QB situations (Oakland, Miami, Jets).

Just like fishing: Pitch it out into the water, reel it back, and see what you get.

I don't buy into the idea that we're announcing Bush as our pick a few days after our season ended.

 

[texan279]

Draft day:

Top 3 picks chosen in the following order:

1) Bush
2) Leinart
3) Young

The most repeated post on this message board will be the following:

Did the Texans just draft Bush to fool everyone because they're really going to trade Bush for Young before training camp? Did they? Did they?

Man I don't know if I can handle the Young madness for the next 3 months, I was already tired of the Bush talk for the last few weeks. Kiper on Cold Pizza just said we should take Bush at #1 because we are "comitted to David Carr". And Kiper has Young going AFTER Leinhart...Interesting...

 

[Marcus]

I know YOU said this but you are commenting on Casserly's comments. Casserly said we would not take a qb in the draft. If we dont take a QB how the heck are you going to trade Carr and start Banks?

I'll repeat verbatum what Charley said.

"If David Carr is here, we won't be taking a quarterback. Our intent is to have David Carr here, exercise the option, and that's our plan."

Or, in other words, "we won't be taking a quarterback if David Carr is here."

 

[playoff year please]

If the Texans and Young talked, what could happen? I believe that Young is only coming out, because he wants to play in Houston.

About this Bush or Young issue...I do not like that the announcers were saying Bush couldn't have a great game because Texas focused on him and that he had not faced a deffense as fast and big as Texas. The worst NFL deffenses are as fast and big as Texas.

Young has been a winner and leader since high school. I have been watching, he will be big in the NFL.

I am really a Carr fan, but Young will be better, plus unfortunately Carr as possibly gotten used to losing, and that might take longer to get rid of than Young being new to the NFL.

 

[FILO_girl]

I'll repeat verbatum what Charley said.

"If David Carr is here, we won't be taking a quarterback. Our intent is to have David Carr here, exercise the option, and that's our plan."

Or, in other words, "we won't be taking a quarterback if David Carr is here."

Was this off the TiVo?

 

[Marcus]

Was this off the TiVo?

Yes! Word for word.

 

[Vinny]

I'll repeat verbatum what Charley said.

"If David Carr is here, we won't be taking a quarterback. Our intent is to have David Carr here, exercise the option, and that's our plan."

Or, in other words, "we won't be taking a quarterback if David Carr is here."

This makes your point even worse...not better. Exercising the option will give us a massive cap hit. F-tagging Carr won't give you a drop of cap hit repercussion, so if you want to trade Carr you don't pick up the option at all. That would only destroy our cap.

 

[tulexan]

They aren't going to extend his contract for 3 years and then trade him. They also aren't going to franchise him because that would be even more expensive.

David is staying, Vince isn't being drafted. Deal with it.

 

[DRAMA]

It's like me saying I want to get my masters - my intent is to get my masters - i'm going to get my masters but if someone offers me a million dollars, my intent MAY change. That 'million dollars' declared yesterday. It changes everything. Now, after they go look at film, hire a new coach, and see what they have with Carr and possible trade value, the Texans 'intent' may have changed. MAY being the operative word here.

Make no mistake - NO MATTER WHAT MCCLAIN SAYS - Vince Young and David Carr will NOT be on the same team next year.

 

[BREAZE]

They aren't going to extend his contract for 3 years and then trade him. They also aren't going to franchise him because that would be even more expensive.

David is staying, Vince isn't being drafted. Deal with it.

Oh believe me, in 5 years we will ALL be dealing with it...

 

[Vinny]

They aren't going to extend his contract for 3 years and then trade him. They also aren't going to franchise him because that would be even more expensive.

David is staying, Vince isn't being drafted. Deal with it.

If they intend to trade him the franchise tag is one way to go since there is no bonus that accelerates into this cap year. Carr has a base salary of $5,250,000 PLUS his bonus. The entire bonus would have to come of this years cap at once if we traded him.

 

[DRAMA]

This makes your point even worse...not better. Exercising the option will give us a massive cap hit. F-tagging Carr won't give you a drop of cap hit repercussion, so if you want to trade Carr you don't pick up the option at all. That would only destroy our cap.

That's what I was screaming at the radio this morning as McClain was saying that they'll exercise Carr's deal and then trade him. Nice John, we'll just tie a hundred billion into 2 QB's and go ahead and forget about signing a free agent.

As Vince Vaughn said to Will Ferrell in OLD SCHOOL, "Way to think it through!!"

 

[Hervoyel]

I grew up with the Oilers as a child...This franchise doesn't get my childhood love. They have to earn my adult adulation. It's hard to get with a smug GM who has failed this franchise for 4 years with his poor scouting from FA to the draft. I know you don't think Casserly has done a poor job but I think you are way off on that one.

I hear you on the childhood love. I like to think though that I'm more patient as a man than I was when I was a boy. I've also learned that just because someone's personality grates on my nerves that doesn't mean he's not still doing a good job. I don't think Casserly has done a great job and I thank you for stating my position clearly. I think he's not done a poor job. I also think that if we accept at face value what Dan Reeves has said (always a tricky business in the NFL, taking things at face value) then the people who failed the franchise for the past four years were the coaches primarily and if Casserly is guilty of anything then it's picking those coaches and then allowing this to go on as long as it did. I think if they're going to hire Gary Kubiak then I want to see what he can do with David Carr. I want to see what he does with Domanick Davis too.

Much like me, they all bought into the fact that Young wasn't coming out. Everyone knows that Young is the first big time underclassman player in the new Horns era to bolt for the NFL. It's a new dynamic, and he is a future NFL superstar. Heck I've been talking Young up for a year. I don't have time to search but here's a thread where I'm talking about Young way before he delcared for the draft...

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=55633&highlight=superstar+young#post55633

I think you give them too much credit Vinny. I think more of them didn't think of Young as an option until he practicially beat USC single handedly. You may have been sold on the idea that Young wasn't coming out and there may be a few others in here who could convince me they felt this way but the majority are on the bandwagon just like they were on the Bush bandwagon a week or two prior.

Running backs are a dime a dozen. More pop up every year and we can always get a great back if we need one. Heck, nobody wanted Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick last year. Nobody wanted Edge James...why? Backs are a dime a dozen no matter how great they are. Quarterbacks? Totally different story since all 32 teams don't even have a quality starter (much less franchise quality starter) and they are incredibly hard to find.

Vinny how come RB's are a dime a dozen even though all 32 teams lack a quality starter there but QB's are a totally different story since all 32 teams don't even have a quality starter? That's true you know. There aren't 32 guys starting at RB in this league who I'd call quality starters. Not every team has a RB who couldn't stand to be upgraded.

I think most teams feel they can find a RB on their own but they don't necessarily succeed at it just like teams that pick QB's don't always succeed at it. There's a list of busts at both positions that's a mile long so I'd hardly say that either one is a dime-dozen position.

 

[Vinny]

That's what I was screaming at the radio this morning as McClain was saying that they'll exercise Carr's deal and then trade him. Nice John, we'll just tie a hundred billion into 2 QB's and go ahead and forget about signing a free agent.

As Vince Vaughn said to Will Ferrell in OLD SCHOOL, "Way to think it through!!"

Now...if they only extend him for 2 years we only have a 5 mil hit to dissolve. If they extend him for two years, they will trade him (opinion...obviously) since it would be plain dumb to pass on Vince Young and only pick up Carr for 2 years. This would not be a very confident move....and if they are not confident in Carr they must take Young now since we likely won't get another Franchise QB in the middle of the draft down the road. If they extend him for the full 3 we will be keeping him.

 

[Marcus]

This makes your point even worse...not better. Exercising the option will give us a massive cap hit. F-tagging Carr won't give you a drop of cap hit repercussion, so if you want to trade Carr you don't pick up the option at all. That would only destroy our cap.

I agree with that . . . if it is the 3-year option. Bob Allen specifically asked him if it would be the 3-year option, and after replaying the thing 10 times, I still could not understand his answer. It's like the editors cut it off or something.

 

[texan279]

It's like me saying I want to get my masters - my intent is to get my masters - i'm going to get my masters but if someone offers me a million dollars, my intent MAY change. That 'million dollars' declared yesterday. It changes everything. Now, after they go look at film, hire a new coach, and see what they have with Carr and possible trade value, the Texans 'intent' may have changed. MAY being the operative word here.

Make no mistake - NO MATTER WHAT MCCLAIN SAYS - Vince Young and David Carr will NOT be on the same team next year.

As far as seeing what we have with Carr, Woody just said on 1st and 10 that Reeves thinks Carr should stay and that our people have talked to 5 or 6 current/past NFL scouts and they all think Carr will be a great NFL QB. I have no idea where he got the info though or how old it is, he didn't say.

 

[DRAMA]

As far as seeing what we have with Carr, Woody just said on 1st and 10 that Reeves thinks Carr should stay and that our people have talked to 5 or 6 current/past NFL scouts and they all think Carr will be a great NFL QB. I have no idea where he got the info though or how old it is, he didn't say.

McNair also said yesterday in the interview with Allen that he wants to win quickly. Quickly may be a bigger word than we're thinking. Do we win quicker with Vince or Reggie? It may simply come down to that.

 

[HoustonFrog]

As far as seeing what we have with Carr, Woody just said on 1st and 10 that Reeves thinks Carr should stay and that our people have talked to 5 or 6 current/past NFL scouts and they all think Carr will be a great NFL QB. I have no idea where he got the info though or how old it is, he didn't say.

Maybe it is just me but I trust what I hear locally with their sources than someone like Woody. That guy is a nut case. I think this is a long ways away and that there is no way on God's green earth that people can make an assumption that Carr will be great.

 

[texan279]

Maybe it is just me but I trust what I hear locally with their sources than someone like Woody. That guy is a nut case. I think this is a long ways away and that there is no way on God's green earth that people can make an assumption that Carr will be great.

It makes sense if you think about it. Cass said last night Carr will be back. Woody says Reeves says Carr should stay. They have been listening to a lot of what Reeves has been saying since he has been here. Also I think I have heard the thing about the scouts who think Carr will be great, but I want to say I heard it a very long time ago, like a couple of years ago, I could be wrong though.

 

[Jack Bauer]

This makes your point even worse...not better. Exercising the option will give us a massive cap hit. F-tagging Carr won't give you a drop of cap hit repercussion, so if you want to trade Carr you don't pick up the option at all. That would only destroy our cap.

The keys to what Casserly said were two words: "plan" and "if". This is why I don't see Carr coming back as a slam dunk. I am not saying they have "decided" to take Vince. I don't think they have made their decision at this point. Before VY declared, it was a slam dunk that they would take Reggie Bush. With VY declaring, they are going to take a step back and look at the entire situation again. Charley said "if" and "plan" several times, so I do think he left a lot of wiggle room out there. If they were DEFINITELY going to pick up the option, there would have been no "ifs" and "plans" in his speech.

Bob McNair made me feel more like we were still set on choosing Bush. He kept mentioning that we needed an immediate impact player or a trade offer that we could not refuse for the first pick. I think VY will be an impact player, but not in year one. This is why I think he is still set on Bush at the moment.

Bottom line: I don't think the Carr contract situation is settled at this point. VY, Bush and a trade are still possibilities. In other words, nothing is settled.

 

[Vinny]

I hear you on the childhood love. I like to think though that I'm a more patient as a man than I was when I was a boy. I've also learned that just because someone's personality grates on my nerves that doesn't mean he's not still doing a good job. I don't think Casserly has done a great job and I thank you for stating my position clearly. I think he's not done a poor job.

After 4 years we had the worst offense in football and the worst defense. We don’t have an edge rusher (Peek is a situational pass rusher on most NFL teams), Babin may or may not pan out. We have the worst linebacker corp in the NFL. We have one quality corner back.

On offense we have the worst line in the NFL. We have a starter who has never thrown for a combined 2TD’s plus 201 yards in a victory in 60 NFL starts; we have the worst TE situation in the NFL….

So, where is all this talent? I don’t see it.

I know we brought in Stacey Mack to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in James Allen to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in Keith Mitchell to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in Charley Clemmons to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in Matt Stevens to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in Victor Riley to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

I know we brought in Jay Foreman to start…and he couldn’t get a job in the NFL after we cut him.

We brought in Steve McKinney to start. He’s paid like a pro bowler…just like Todd Wade.

We traded for Pbuc and gave away the first day of last years draft outside of Travis Johnson for that

The only team in the NFL that offered Corey Bradford a contract? Casserly's team?

Hey, let’s cut Steve Foley! How about cutting Marlon McCree? How about Wright? Sharper? Glenn? They all start in the NFL….on good defenses. Nice roster moves there too....yeah, Charley has done a great job.

I also think that is we accept at face value what Dan Reeves has said (always a tricky business in the NFL, taking things at face value) then the people who failed the franchise for the past four years were the coaches primarily and if Casserly is guilty of anything then it's picking those coaches and then allowing this to go on as long as it did. I think if they're going to hire Gary Kubiak then I want to see what he can do with David Carr. I want to see what he does with Domanick Davis too.

Dan Reeves thought Tommy Maddox was a Franchise QB too. How come Reeves and Kubiak didn’t make him a great player? I’ll tell you….Players make players great players…not coaches.

Vinny how come RB's are a dime a dozen even though all 32 teams lack a quality starter there but QB's are a totally different story since all 32 teams don't even have a quality starter? That's true you know. There aren't 32 guys starting at RB in this league who I'd call quality starters. Not every team has a RB who couldn't stand to be upgraded.

You tell me why Edge James and Shaun Alexander get no action on the trade block while Doug Jolley can get a first round pick…..I’ll save you the time…Quality backs can be had on the first day of any NFL draft, so there is no reason to trade a high pick for one.

If you don’t think the QB is the key to playing good football but when Carson Palmer went down the Bengals were done. When Pennington went down the Jets were done. If we had a better QB here the last 4 years we would not be debating this pick right now…that’s just what I think.

 

[tulexan]

I believe that Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander didn't get first rounders because they were going to be FA's, which meant that teams would have to give them big contracts and there would be no guarantee that they would be able to keep them after this season.

Would you give up a 1st rounder for a player that could leave after 1 season?

 

[Vinny]

then you just sign them. problem sovled. Bush isn't coming here cheap...actually in his draft slot he would instantly be paid higher than Franchise backs are paid.....and backs can be had on day one in any draft...but franchise QB's can't.

 

[tulexan]

What makes you so sure that Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James would want to stay at whatever team they were traded to? They don't have to sign after their contract is over.

 

[WWJD]

Just sharing news...and it's just another way for me to show that people are put off by Casserly. Casserly is the face of this franchise and he is angering the fans. I think Bob McNair should know this....no way this can be good.

Ok. I get your point. Thanks.

 

[tulexan]

Didn't James Allen retire to be a rapper? Or was that someone else?

 

[HoustonFrog]

It makes sense if you think about it. Cass said last night Carr will be back. Woody says Reeves says Carr should stay. They have been listening to a lot of what Reeves has been saying since he has been here. Also I think I have heard the thing about the scouts who think Carr will be great, but I want to say I heard it a very long time ago, like a couple of years ago, I could be wrong though.

Oh, I can totally see it. I have said all along that Bush with O-line in the upper to mid rounds and FAs is the safe way to go. I'm just not a Carr fan at all and I can see where VY could be an intriguing option. Considering that he really wasn't fully scouted up until now I think things might change, depending on what the can do with Carrs contract, etc.

 

[chuckm]

If we had a better QB here the last 4 years we would not be debating this pick right now…that’s just what I think.

As I sit in my comfortable chair in my nice warm office, I'm wondering how well I could do my job if I were running for my life everytime I tried to make a decision .... or if my boss told me that I'm allowed to make decisions to adjust to what the competition does, but only small changes, don't go overboard ...... it's too narrow of a view to make the above statement, IMO

 

[Jack Bauer]

As I sit in my comfortable chair in my nice warm office, I'm wondering how well I could do my job if I were running for my life everytime I tried to make a decision .... or if my boss told me that I'm allowed to make decisions to adjust to what the competition does, but only small changes, don't go overboard ...... it's too narrow of a view to make the above statement, IMO

DITTO!

 

[tulexan]

or if my boss told me that I'm allowed to make decisions to adjust to what the competition does, but only small changes, don't go overboard ...... it's too narrow of a view to make the above statement, IMO

Not only that, but when you do make a change the competition knows exactly what you are doing because you are only allowed to make one change.

 

[TexasJedi]

I thought Charley was unequivocal in saying that we are keeping Carr, meaning we will draft Bush. I think he was careful with his wording, not to leave himself wiggle room, but so that he would not violate league rules commenting about Juniors. Even though Vince had a presser announcing his decision, I think teams have to wait until they get official word from the league office before they can comment.

 

[HoustonFrog]

As I sit in my comfortable chair in my nice warm office, I'm wondering how well I could do my job if I were running for my life everytime I tried to make a decision .... or if my boss told me that I'm allowed to make decisions to adjust to what the competition does, but only small changes, don't go overboard ...... it's too narrow of a view to make the above statement, IMO

Sorry but I was done with this excuse last year. Maybe it is the O-line that takes too much abuse sometimes. Are they bad?Yes. But Carr holding the ball and his ability to only lock into one receiver while others run open probably leads to half the sacks he takes. I'm just tired of excuses when the man can't learn.

 

[SESupergenius]

Vinny is on fire today!

For the most part I agree with Vinny, except that I think after all of that and stating the we have the worst line the league, just as you say we can't pass up on Young, we can't pass on Carr because of the situation he was put in, ie... no line, no talent, bad FA moves etc.

Two things i'd like to get cleared up:

1) If we sign Carr, then trade him, we eat the bonus this year. If we trade for another player, then the team we trade with has to eat their bonus on that player too. Isn't that essentially a wash and all we are doing is excelerating the cap hit? We still get a player.

2) After looking at the teams, who is desperate enough to trade up?

 

[chuckm]

Sorry but I was done with this excuse last year. Maybe it is the O-line that takes too much abuse sometimes. Are they bad?Yes. But Carr holding the ball and his ability to only lock into one receiver while others run open probably leads to half the sacks he takes.

well there's no doubt about some of your points brother ... no argument from me ... I am not a Carr apologist in the slightest but neither do I bleed orange .... if Carr and Young decide tomorrow to retire and start a rock band, I wouldn't lose any sleep ..... but you have to look at the entire picture, not just zero in on what supports your point....

 

[Mr. White]

Bob and Charley---- NEWSFLASH----your team just went 2-14. This is exactly the mentality that has caused you to be where you are now. We'll stay with the guy that has great potential and hasn't realized it in 4 years. (Oh yeah, he has a bad line... DD still got 1000 yards with it.) Once a loser, always a loser.

 

[HoustonFrog]

well there's no doubt about some of your points brother ... no argument from me ... I am not a Carr apologist in the slightest but neither do I bleed orange .... if Carr and Young decide tomorrow to retire and start a rock band, I wouldn't lose any sleep ..... but you have to look at the entire picture, not just zero in on what supports your point....

I agree, I don't bleed orange either and as I said in a post last week it got real bandwagony for VY after that game. I do think he is a stud and will be good. I also don't think people can predict what they will do. Alot of time left.

 

[HoustonFrog]

How many times does somebody have to tell you people that we are not taking Vince Young.

I truely believe that were ever Vince goes some of you better go with him.

HE WILL NEVER WEAR A TEXANS UNIFORM, EVER, STOP DOING THIS TO YOURSELF.

I just don't think you can say this without a doubt. I have been in the be safe, pick Bush camp all along but there are 3 months and alot of scouting left and things can change depending on deals, etc. Nothing is a given.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Not a chance.

Brady Quinn will win the Heisman next year and be the overall #1...

T-sippers have nothing on domers when it comes to elevating our own.

You got that right. When a school has their own network contract they have an unfair advantage. Not quite sure how that is allowed.

 

[Marcus]

How many times does somebody have to tell you people that we are not taking Vince Young.

I truely believe that were ever Vince goes some of you better go with him.

HE WILL NEVER WEAR A TEXANS UNIFORM, EVER, STOP DOING THIS TO YOURSELF.

I'm going to remember this post . . . for future reference.

The Reggie Bush debate is just a football issue.

But this Vince Young thing has gone political.

 

[Runner]

Vinny is on fire today!


2) After looking at the teams, who is desperate enough to trade up?

First statement: agreed.


2) I think we're desperate enough to trade up to the 1st and 2nd pick!