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True he did go to NFL U, but if Clinton went to University of Texas I can guarantee that the outcry would have been bigger.
 
Huge difference between 3000 and 3500. Second are you honestly trying to say that it is Carr calling the hitch routes.
 
Do you have your verdict? Yes. This thread is guilty of how it got so far off topic so fast. Good night dead thread.
 
Coach C. said:
Huge difference between 3000 and 3500. Second are you honestly trying to say that it is Carr calling the hitch routes.
Yes and no. What you are not considering is how many times Harrington and Couch were pulled. Everyone know that Harrington always finds himself on the bench because he stinks it up so he isnt on the field to get the attempts to get anything higher than something around 3,000. I bet Harrington if Harrington was never pulled, like Carr, he'd get his yardage more comparable to Carr. Not sure about Couch, cant remember, but I think he was benched quite a few times too while he was playing, too.

He didnt call them all but if you remember correctly in the Arizona game when he called the plays himself, he stuck with the hitches and threw a number of them in the first half.
 
First, We won the Arizona game he saw a weakness and called to exploit it. He also audibled to runs to keep the guys honest. Second, Carr was not pulled because he performed as well as he could in the situations he was put in. Third, he had a better qb rating than these guys.
 
Carr is not the problem. Has he failed to make significant progress to date? Yes, but he has been given subpar coaching. When we get Kubiak, Carr will be exposed to first class offensive/quarterback coaching. Carr will pass for 3,000 yards and DD/Bush will rush for 1,800.
 
Coach C. said:
First, We won the Arizona game he saw a weakness and called to exploit it. He also audibled to runs to keep the guys honest. Second, Carr was not pulled because he performed as well as he could in the situations he was put in. Third, he had a better qb rating than these guys.
1) The running game won the Arizona game for us.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051218_ARI@HOU
Carr's pass plays: ***bolded passes are for sure hitches, screens, etc.
1-10-HOU29 (13:04) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 38 for 9 yards (J.Darling). (12 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU42 (12:19) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 47 for 5 yards (D.Macklin). (6 yards after catch.)
3-1-ARI49 (11:16) D.Carr pass to M.Rivers to ARZ 49 for no gain (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)
2-3-ARI28 (1:53) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at ARZ 23 for 5 yards (D.Macklin). (7 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU37 (10:11) D.Carr pass to D.Morgan ran ob at HST 46 for 9 yards (D.Macklin). (4 yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI49 (8:55) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to ARZ 43 for 6 yards (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)
2-4-ARI43 (8:18) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson pushed ob at ARZ 38 for 5 yards (L.Reid).
3-6-ARI34 (6:29) D.Carr pass to V.Morency to ARZ 25 for 9 yards (J.Darling; R.Griffith). (6 yards after catch.)
2-1-ARI36 (4:18) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford.
3-1-ARI36 (4:13) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to ARZ 29 for 7 yards (D.Macklin). (2 yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI29 (3:45) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford.
2-10-ARI29 (3:39) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 28 for 1 yard (Q.Harris).
PENALTY on ARZ-O.Huff, Unnecessary Roughness, 14 yards, enforced at ARZ 28. (No yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI14 (3:17) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to ARZ 8 for 6 yards (D.Macklin). (No yards after catch.)
3-4-ARI8 (2:00) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney ran ob at ARZ 3 for 5 yards (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)

2 minute warning
1-10-ARI38 (1:18) D.Carr pass to M.Rivers ran ob at ARZ 33 for 5 yards (K.Dansby).
2-5-ARI33 (1:13) D.Carr pass to J.Wells to ARZ 22 for 11 yards (K.Dansby). (8 yards after catch.)
2-7-ARI19 (:45) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 8 for 11 yards (D.Macklin). (1 yard after catch.)
1-8-ARI8 (:28) D.Carr pass incomplete.
2-8-ARI8 (:28) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 9 for -1 yards (A.Rolle, L.Reid).
3-9-ARI9 (:17) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson.

So 9 out of 14 first half completions were hitches, and another 2 of them were dump downs to the RB, and nothing was longer than 11 yards. That is exploiting a weakness???

When Carr exploits a weakness, we throw hitches. When other teams exploit a weakness, they go deep.


2) This is my feeling on why Carr was never pulled, just my feeling, I'm not gonna argue it because I've done it before: Carr was never pulled because the Texans saw what pulling Harrington did. It turned the fan base against him, they didnt want that to happen to Carr so they kept him in so a backup couldnt out-perform him and start a QB controversey. McNair loves Carr, why would he want to tell the coaches to bench him???


3) If you remember correctly, everyone was calling for Palmer’s head because he was very conservative. It’s easier to have a higher rating when you are not in the position to make more mistakes.
 
Fiddy said:
I didnt ignore last season but dont talk to me about his completion percentage or anything like that because all he did was throw hitch routes with a quick slant mixed in there every now and then.

Interesting revision of history. He threw for over 3,500 yards last year of which 47 passes were over 20 yards in completion, his completion percentage and passer rating were better than Tom Brady's. Now if you had said that about this year...then ya, that's pretty much it. He had only 18 passes of 20 yards, but that was pretty much how our CRACK coaching staff layed out the game plan.
 
edo783 said:
Interesting revision of history. He threw for over 3,500 yards last year of which 47 passes were over 20 yards in completion, his completion percentage and passer rating were better than Tom Brady's. Now if you had said that about this year...then ya, that's pretty much it. He had only 18 passes of 20 yards, but that was pretty much how our CRACK coaching staff layed out the game plan.
Yeah, now that I read it, it sounds funny. He did go deeper a year ago. That statement was meant for this year.
 
Coach C. said:
LCOOL if you quote McClain that brings down the crediblility of your post. Other than that Carr has led comebacks the main one that comes to mind is Minnesota, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Baltimore, and Cleveland. Those come to mind. Check them he led us back late in the game, until someone screwed it up.
Coach C
If Carr led some many comebacks why were the Texan's 2-14, we cannot cover up his bad leadership skills.
 
He does not play defense, he does not lead the defense, and he does not call defensive plays. Carr also is not a kicker even though he might want to start practicing the Flutie drop kick. Those would be just a couple of reasons. Next argument?
 
Coach C. said:
Next argument?

The only reason most of these people are arguing at all is because they want Vince and they're hoping beyond hope that if they argue enough it'll make a difference .... of course that's IMO
 
I'm not a 'horn but I'm a Houstonian and the one thing that would absolutely kill me is for Vince to end up wearing a Tennessee uniform. Vince will win in the NFL.
 
Hulk75 said:
Obviously you have not been watching Carr the last couple of weeks. Or for that mater last year. Or for that mater when he was in college, dont bring up touch bro he went #1 for a reason.

Obviously YOU haven't been watching Carr the last 25 games. He has regressed trememdously and is probably a worse QB than he was his rookie season.

He was a #1 pick because there weren't any other options in '02.

The good news is, he will be out of excuses after next season under Kubiak. There will plenty on this board that will apologize for him until the day he retires, but they will finally be in the minority.
 
Fiddy said:
Huh????

You do put up less that 2500 the next year doing it. And do you know what Couch, Harrington and Carr all have in common??? They all had a 3000+ passing yardage season in their 3rd year and followed it up with a stinker. A "senior slump"???

Never compare Harrington with Carr...Harrington has a line, TE, and WRs and yet hes horrible.
 
the wonger need food said:
Obviously YOU haven't been watching Carr the last 25 games. He has regressed trememdously and is probably a worse QB than he was his rookie season.

He was a #1 pick because there weren't any other options in '02.

The good news is, he will be out of excuses after next season under Kubiak. There will plenty on this board that will apologize for him until the day he retires, but they will finally be in the minority.

I'm with you bro. The guy is dumb as rocks, makes rookie mistakes, is not the teams leader on the field or in the locker room and pretty much cares more about his hair and commercials. When ESPN spends half their Sunday night telecast laughing at you and waiting for your next interception because you haven't learned to look off receivers in Year #4, then you are a joke. People kissing up to this guy is just plain funny. Always excuses. As I said yesterday, Brady sure did well taking the place of an often sacked Bledsoe when he first started. some guys have presence and others are just bad QBs who whine.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm with you bro. The guy is dumb as rocks, makes rookie mistakes, is not the teams leader on the field or in the locker room and pretty much cares more about his hair and commercials. When ESPN spends half their Sunday night telecast laughing at you and waiting for your next interception because you haven't learned to look off receivers in Year #4, then you are a joke. People kissing up to this guy is just plain funny. Always excuses. As I said yesterday, Brady sure did well taking the place of an often sacked Bledsoe when he first started. some guys have presence and others are just bad QBs who whine.

he's not the leader on the field or the locker room? I don't think you're in any position to comment on that unless you're actually on the field or in the lockerroom.

he cares more about hair and commercials? again, evidence please.

he doesn't look off receivers? again, evidence please. all quarterbacks have a few throws each year where they do that, even Peyton Manning. it doesn't show up on a consistent basis, as Carr's INT ratio isn't all that high. Also, comparing the line New England had to the Texans line is just hilarious... you're talking about a subpar offensive line compared to the worst line in the history of the sport. big difference.

some posters have common sense and others just whine and rant about things they're in no position to have any knowledge about.
 
DomDavis said:
he's not the leader on the field or the locker room? I don't think you're in any position to comment on that unless you're actually on the field or in the lockerroom.
Most of us are aware of his lack of leadership skills. Where have you been for the last 4 years?
 
DomDavis said:
he's not the leader on the field or the locker room? I don't think you're in any position to comment on that unless you're actually on the field or in the lockerroom.

he cares more about hair and commercials? again, evidence please.

he doesn't look off receivers? again, evidence please. all quarterbacks have a few throws each year where they do that, even Peyton Manning. it doesn't show up on a consistent basis, as Carr's INT ratio isn't all that high. Also, comparing the line New England had to the Texans line is just hilarious... you're talking about a subpar offensive line compared to the worst line in the history of the sport. big difference.

some posters have common sense and others just whine and rant about things they're in no position to have any knowledge about.

Know nothing about?What common sense is involved when you say that he looks off receivers?Did you not see the telecast or am I just arguing with a person who can't see anything but what comes through the Steel Blue glasses?I just happen to be a person who wants to see them win but I can do it without being closed minded about our players. This has been the guy's problem for the last two years. Just because he isn't picked off doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems. It causes him to hold the ball longer than he should. They basically pointed it out in at least three games I know of this year. The line was not great but Carr did not help. My point with NE was that how can one guy take sack after sack but somehow another guy can step up and not get hit?Some have it and others don't.

As for the leadership. It has been discussed all year. Some players have said that he doesn't stay after practice for extra work and that he doesn't watch film to improve. It has been discussed on every talk radio. In fact Palillo said as much yesterday that he is not looked at as the leader of the team yesterday. When have you seen other players come to his defense?

Maybe I'd lay off the hair and commercial comments if it wasn't for above and the fact that after every game is smiling at the cameras and playing with his hair.
 
the wonger need food said:
The good news is, he will be out of excuses after next season under Kubiak. There will plenty on this board that will apologize for him until the day he retires, but they will finally be in the minority.

this is what scares me, meanwhile the Texans pass on Vince Young :eek: VY silences his doubters/detractors with his talent, leadership and winning ways. oh well:brickwall what are we going to say then, we had no options?
 
Hulk75 said:
68 sacks!!!!!!!!!!!! Fired Palmer, got some lame duck coach to run our Offense.
A O-Line coach for that mater that told David to get the ball out as fast as he could so the sacks would not look like it is the Olines fault but the QBs, stupidity from a guy how should never be allowed to run an O again, but heck coaching does not mater right.
See, you see all 68 sacks as fault of poor o-line play. I see a good amount of those sacks on bad recognition and pocket awareness by Carr. He sacks himself a lot...
 
New_Texans said:
Never compare Harrington with Carr...Harrington has a line, TE, and WRs and yet hes horrible.
Rogers and Roy Williams can't stay healty and Mike Williams was out of football for a year. How can he use those??? The only difference between Carr and Harrington is Harrington will get benched when he sucks it up and Carr won't.
 
Harrington actually had an offensive line. I believe he was one of the fewest sacked quarterbacks in the league. His problem is that he has a noodle for an arm and has no accuracy.
 
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