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Casserly on 610 radio this morning
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Do you have your verdict? Yes. This thread is guilty of how it got so far off topic so fast. Good night dead thread.
Fiddy
All Pro
Yes and no. What you are not considering is how many times Harrington and Couch were pulled. Everyone know that Harrington always finds himself on the bench because he stinks it up so he isnt on the field to get the attempts to get anything higher than something around 3,000. I bet Harrington if Harrington was never pulled, like Carr, he'd get his yardage more comparable to Carr. Not sure about Couch, cant remember, but I think he was benched quite a few times too while he was playing, too.Coach C. said:
He didnt call them all but if you remember correctly in the Arizona game when he called the plays himself, he stuck with the hitches and threw a number of them in the first half.
Fiddy
All Pro
1) The running game won the Arizona game for us.Coach C. said:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051218_ARI@HOU
Carr's pass plays: ***bolded passes are for sure hitches, screens, etc.
1-10-HOU29 (13:04) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 38 for 9 yards (J.Darling). (12 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU42 (12:19) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 47 for 5 yards (D.Macklin). (6 yards after catch.)
3-1-ARI49 (11:16) D.Carr pass to M.Rivers to ARZ 49 for no gain (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)
2-3-ARI28 (1:53) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson ran ob at ARZ 23 for 5 yards (D.Macklin). (7 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU37 (10:11) D.Carr pass to D.Morgan ran ob at HST 46 for 9 yards (D.Macklin). (4 yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI49 (8:55) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to ARZ 43 for 6 yards (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)
2-4-ARI43 (8:18) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson pushed ob at ARZ 38 for 5 yards (L.Reid).
3-6-ARI34 (6:29) D.Carr pass to V.Morency to ARZ 25 for 9 yards (J.Darling; R.Griffith). (6 yards after catch.)
2-1-ARI36 (4:18) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford.
3-1-ARI36 (4:13) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson to ARZ 29 for 7 yards (D.Macklin). (2 yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI29 (3:45) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford.
2-10-ARI29 (3:39) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 28 for 1 yard (Q.Harris).
PENALTY on ARZ-O.Huff, Unnecessary Roughness, 14 yards, enforced at ARZ 28. (No yards after catch.)
1-10-ARI14 (3:17) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to ARZ 8 for 6 yards (D.Macklin). (No yards after catch.)
3-4-ARI8 (2:00) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney ran ob at ARZ 3 for 5 yards (A.Rolle). (No yards after catch.)
2 minute warning
1-10-ARI38 (1:18) D.Carr pass to M.Rivers ran ob at ARZ 33 for 5 yards (K.Dansby).
2-5-ARI33 (1:13) D.Carr pass to J.Wells to ARZ 22 for 11 yards (K.Dansby). (8 yards after catch.)
2-7-ARI19 (:45) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 8 for 11 yards (D.Macklin). (1 yard after catch.)
1-8-ARI8 (:28) D.Carr pass incomplete.
2-8-ARI8 (:28) D.Carr pass to C.Bradford to ARZ 9 for -1 yards (A.Rolle, L.Reid).
3-9-ARI9 (:17) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson.
So 9 out of 14 first half completions were hitches, and another 2 of them were dump downs to the RB, and nothing was longer than 11 yards. That is exploiting a weakness???
When Carr exploits a weakness, we throw hitches. When other teams exploit a weakness, they go deep.
2) This is my feeling on why Carr was never pulled, just my feeling, I'm not gonna argue it because I've done it before: Carr was never pulled because the Texans saw what pulling Harrington did. It turned the fan base against him, they didnt want that to happen to Carr so they kept him in so a backup couldnt out-perform him and start a QB controversey. McNair loves Carr, why would he want to tell the coaches to bench him???
3) If you remember correctly, everyone was calling for Palmer’s head because he was very conservative. It’s easier to have a higher rating when you are not in the position to make more mistakes.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
Interesting revision of history. He threw for over 3,500 yards last year of which 47 passes were over 20 yards in completion, his completion percentage and passer rating were better than Tom Brady's. Now if you had said that about this year...then ya, that's pretty much it. He had only 18 passes of 20 yards, but that was pretty much how our CRACK coaching staff layed out the game plan.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Hulk75 said:
Obviously YOU haven't been watching Carr the last 25 games. He has regressed trememdously and is probably a worse QB than he was his rookie season.
He was a #1 pick because there weren't any other options in '02.
The good news is, he will be out of excuses after next season under Kubiak. There will plenty on this board that will apologize for him until the day he retires, but they will finally be in the minority.
New_Texans
Rookie
Fiddy said:
Never compare Harrington with Carr...Harrington has a line, TE, and WRs and yet hes horrible.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
the wonger need food said:
I'm with you bro. The guy is dumb as rocks, makes rookie mistakes, is not the teams leader on the field or in the locker room and pretty much cares more about his hair and commercials. When ESPN spends half their Sunday night telecast laughing at you and waiting for your next interception because you haven't learned to look off receivers in Year #4, then you are a joke. People kissing up to this guy is just plain funny. Always excuses. As I said yesterday, Brady sure did well taking the place of an often sacked Bledsoe when he first started. some guys have presence and others are just bad QBs who whine.
HoustonFrog said:
he's not the leader on the field or the locker room? I don't think you're in any position to comment on that unless you're actually on the field or in the lockerroom.
he cares more about hair and commercials? again, evidence please.
he doesn't look off receivers? again, evidence please. all quarterbacks have a few throws each year where they do that, even Peyton Manning. it doesn't show up on a consistent basis, as Carr's INT ratio isn't all that high. Also, comparing the line New England had to the Texans line is just hilarious... you're talking about a subpar offensive line compared to the worst line in the history of the sport. big difference.
some posters have common sense and others just whine and rant about things they're in no position to have any knowledge about.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
DomDavis said:
Know nothing about?What common sense is involved when you say that he looks off receivers?Did you not see the telecast or am I just arguing with a person who can't see anything but what comes through the Steel Blue glasses?I just happen to be a person who wants to see them win but I can do it without being closed minded about our players. This has been the guy's problem for the last two years. Just because he isn't picked off doesn't mean it doesn't cause problems. It causes him to hold the ball longer than he should. They basically pointed it out in at least three games I know of this year. The line was not great but Carr did not help. My point with NE was that how can one guy take sack after sack but somehow another guy can step up and not get hit?Some have it and others don't.
As for the leadership. It has been discussed all year. Some players have said that he doesn't stay after practice for extra work and that he doesn't watch film to improve. It has been discussed on every talk radio. In fact Palillo said as much yesterday that he is not looked at as the leader of the team yesterday. When have you seen other players come to his defense?
Maybe I'd lay off the hair and commercial comments if it wasn't for above and the fact that after every game is smiling at the cameras and playing with his hair.
VY silences his doubters/detractors with his talent, leadership and winning ways. oh well:brickwall what are we going to say then, we had no options?