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Casserly Gone Today?

Pardon if I am late on this, didn't read the entire thread as I have news and didn't have time to check first.

Per KPRC TV, Cass will be stepping down...press conference by the Texans coming later today.
Just on my TV, no link.
 
FILO_girl said:
Pardon if I am late on this, didn't read the entire thread as I have news and didn't have time to check first.

Per KPRC TV, Cass will be stepping down...press conference by the Texans coming later today.
Just on my TV, no link.
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That would not be necessarily the case, but given the Megan article in the Chonicle it looks like that is the situation. I have always believed Cass did nothing more than what was asked of him and did it in the best way he knew how. I really think we will miss Casserly, but that's my opinion. It will be interesting to see who they hire and how that person fits in with the rest of the organization.

Kubiak and Casserly worked very closely in this last draft and I really hope that this is because Casserly is going to move up in the NFL. Its a tough business and he's in a position where you take a lot of hits for others.
 
Just heard on ESPN News to expect a press conference or at least an annoucment from the Texans this afternoon about Casserly resigning.
 
oso said:
I am surprised to hear all this hatred for the man who helped bring Super Mario to the Texans. The way the boards have been lately, I thought we were all in agreement that this was the best decision/draft and the sports writers are just idiots for thinking otherwise.
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I will make the assumption that you are joking...

If you are serious wait until the season starts...

Good riddence to Casserly, just look at our record after 4 years and the players taken in the all the drafts, the trades made and the overpriced free agents we have had to endure...

Far more misses than hits...
 
Bobo said:
One bad year and you want to blow up the whole thing. Well, that takes you back to year one. Now instead of regressing in just one year with a chance to bounce back, you are going back to scratch and will have to wait once again to get to where you want to be. Sounds pretty darn silly to me.
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You've been over that subject with a lot of people and I really don't see the point of going over it all again. Most people are completely unsatisfied with what this team has done since the time they got to 4-3 in their 3rd year by beating Jacksonville. That was great, but it's been a freaking wreck ever since. I understand that you feel this team just needed more time and I've seen that you show impressive debating skills at times also, but we are the first expasion team to EVER not have a winning season in it's first 4 years. Capers pretty much prevented Palmer from doing his job and allowed several other bad coaches to have free reign and ruin the team. He knows plenty enough about football to be a good HC, but he's not a good HC. He blows. He has some character traits that just screw it all up, but he'll be an excellent DC again. I should also say that he is very good at getting a brand new expansion team through those first few years, but can't seem to move on from there. He seems to hit a wall at a certain point in his (head) coaching progression.
 
I don't know why, but that is the impression I've been getting since I heard he had a chance for that NFL job.
 
El Tejano said:
Not when you think that most teams are smart and put players on their board so that they force teams like us to make guessing decisions.
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I doubt that pro teams call each other and tell them who is on their draft boards.

You don't think that any GM would lie about who is on their board?

Only boards other than their own that they see are the same ones we see.

Boards that are nothing but guesses by the so called experts and MB posters.

Nice try though.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I doubt that pro teams call each other and tell them who is on their draft boards.

You don't think that any GM would lie about who is on their board?

Only boards other than their own that they see are the same ones we see.

Boards that are nothing but guesses by the so called experts and MB posters.

Nice try though.
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Dude, you basically reiterated my point. I believe alot of teams told us "Sure Cass, I got that guy #1. He is awesome and if you don't take him we will. But I guess if you do take him we will settle for Reggie Bush."

I have a thread called Hook, Line, and Sinker. Look it up.
 
its time to move into a new era, that of winning :yahoo: yet Casserly will have his footprints all over the Texans long after his departutre :chicken:
 
Well, at one time I really wanted EVERYONE replaced so I'm not gonna miss him. I'm just not totally sure anymore that it was necessary.
 
Like most people said, I think this draft is mostly due to Kubiak rather than Casserly.

On the other hand, maybe Casserly failed before mostly because of he didn't understand Caper's 3-4 D. Other than DRob, our defensive picks haven't been good. On the offensive end, he's been decent. Sure there were misses with Hollings and Juppro, but that happens. We've been OK at drafting offensive players, despite no wanting to draft lineman when it was clearly a need. Defensively, we've just been horrible. And the off-season moves on the defensive side have been even worse. Getting rid of Sharper was a terrible thing to do.

Either way, Getting Ron Hill or the Bronco's guy would be an upgrade.
 
Bobo said:
The Saints, I believe, took something like seven years to get to 7-9 -- something Capers accomplished in three. And it took 20 years for them to have a winning record. Try the Bengals. Paul Brown's team had a couple of bad years, then a good one, and then a horrible one. They didn't get rid of him, and two years later they won their division. And Tampa Bay wasn't all that great either. It takes time to build a winner, and for you to expect something like that after four years when the only thing these guys had to work with was raw rookies and NFL rejects is completely unrealistic.
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I think he's talking about the recent teams like the Ravens/Jags/Browns/Panthers. Since you think you know 'everything,' which HC of those teams has the lowest winning percentage?
 
tsip said:
I think he's talking about the recent teams like the Ravens/Jags/Browns/Panthers. Since you think you know 'everything,' which HC of those teams has the lowest winning percentage?
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FYI...the Ravens weren't an expansion team. Not that it matters much...
 
Exascor said:
FYI...the Ravens weren't an expansion team. Not that it matters much...
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The NFL considered them an expansion team, even though they were the old Browns. I'll see if I can find the 'old' posts on this subject.
 
Bobo said:
More bull. Where you get this "four years of bringing us down" when the team had just one year of regression is beyond me. You don't create immediate winners when all you have to choose from is NFL rejects and raw rookies. It takes time -- apparently something many folks aren't willing to offer up. But folks like this get what they deserve -- they find themselves constantly starting over and never getting even close to what they want.
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....For whatever reason, all of Casserly's hard work, and he is known in league circles as tireless, didn't add up to many victories. Only one expansion franchise since 1976, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, recorded fewer wins (17) in its first four seasons than did the Texans 2002-2005. And the laughingstock Bucs actually advanced to the NFC championship game in their fourth season. In the Texans' fourth campaign, they won half as many games, two, as they did in their 2002 debut season.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2440388
 
tsip said:
The NFL considered them an expansion team, even though they were the old Browns. I'll see if I can find the 'old' posts on this subject.
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It's kinda silly to compare real expansion teams to one that has an entire staff and roster. They received no extra picks and had no expansion draft. Official or not, they aren't a real expansion team.
 
phan1 said:
Like most people said, I think this draft is mostly due to Kubiak rather than Casserly.

On the other hand, maybe Casserly failed before mostly because of he didn't understand Caper's 3-4 D. Other than DRob, our defensive picks haven't been good. On the offensive end, he's been decent. Sure there were misses with Hollings and Juppro, but that happens. We've been OK at drafting offensive players, despite no wanting to draft lineman when it was clearly a need. Defensively, we've just been horrible. And the off-season moves on the defensive side have been even worse. Getting rid of Sharper was a terrible thing to do.

Either way, Getting Ron Hill or the Bronco's guy would be an upgrade.
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This is the basis for my desipsal towards Casserly. I felt that Capers was a good coach and that although he played close to the vest, he was building a team slowly. What bothers me about this is that Capers is left out to dry without good input from Casserly whom most regard as a rather weak GM. I would of loved to of had a GM that called the shots and gathered players FOR the coach instead of the coach spending too much time playing GM and not managing the team on the field. There have been many instances of strong GM's that get the players because they do their job, they manage and scout players, they don't let the coaches bare the burden of making the big and vast decisions of the team.

So long Casserly, maybe you can take a job where YOU do the job.
 
Exascor said:
It's kinda silly to compare real expansion teams to one that has an entire staff and roster. They received no extra picks and had no expansion draft. Official or not, they aren't a real expansion team.
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...don't tell me, tell the NFL

...no extra picks?

"April 20, 1996: The Ravens conduct their first NFL draft. Their top selections include offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden and linebacker Ray Lewis (both first round), cornerback DeRon Jenkins (second) and wide receiver Jermaine Lewis (fifth)."

How did they get 2 1st round picks?
 
we wasn't sure who to pick for the number 1 pick until the day before the draft.

Less than 16 days later he decides to resign saying he wanted to work with the NFL offices. He probably had a job a week ago w/o telling the organization. I mean c'mon should've you told this to Bob McNair about your thoughts long time ago like before the draft.
If that happen then Casserly opinion wouldn't count on draft day.


It's like a quick cop out before he gets fired if Mario Williams doesn't live up to expectation.

Lossing 3 games on purpose for Mario Williams last season isn't even worth it.

By the way the gap between how good between Manny Lawson (22nd pick) and Mario Williams isn't that far. I wouldn't be surprise if Lawson ends up having a better season than Williams.
 
" I felt that Capers was a good coach "

There were 9 HC changes in the NFL last year, meaning 9 teams were looking for new HC/new coordinators/ and new position coaches. 7 of those HC that left their old jobs (for whatever reason) were hired as a HC or coordinator by other teams--Tice,Sherman,Martz,Edwards,Haslett,Mularkey, and Turner. The other 2 'fired' HC's were Capers and Maraucci (don't know what his current situation is) and Capers was hired as a 'Special Asst to the HC' in Miami, which is basically a 'waiting' job for something better to come along...

If Capers is such a 'good' coach, why did no other team want him as a head coach, or coordinator, or even a defensive position coach? When he was fired from the Panthers, his buddy- Tom Coughlin - hired him as a DC, as no team came calling to hire him as a HC. Capers has never coached an establish NFL team as HC--what does Norm Turner have that Capers does not?

Lip service- no body in the NFL is going to talk bad about one of their own, so everyone talks about what a 'great guy/person' Capers is-no body in the NFL is talking about his coaching performance with the Texans....and, they don't have to. Why? They answer that question by not hiring him, except for his former coaching buddy (Saban), ala Caper's hiring Joe Pendry in Houston.

So, please explain 'how' Capers is a good coach--talking football, not character.:confused:
 
tsip said:
The NFL considered them an expansion team, even though they were the old Browns. I'll see if I can find the 'old' posts on this subject.
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The Ravens were not an expansion team and were never given that description. If they were an expansion team, then the Titans were also. But this is not the case.
 
tsip said:
...don't tell me, tell the NFL

...no extra picks?

"April 20, 1996: The Ravens conduct their first NFL draft. Their top selections include offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden and linebacker Ray Lewis (both first round), cornerback DeRon Jenkins (second) and wide receiver Jermaine Lewis (fifth)."

How did they get 2 1st round picks?
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Via a trade maybe???
 
Revolution said:
The Ravens were not an expansion team and were never given that description. If they were an expansion team, then the Titans were also. But this is not the case.
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"A reactivated Cleveland Browns team would then begin play in 1999, while the relocated club would technically and legally be a new expansion team, the Ravens"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens

...hate to 'burst your bubble' but it is what it is---Ravens were officially an expansion team:yahoo:
 
Meh. I dont think one GM vs another is that big of a difference. The head coach, and owner are all that matters.
 
From the Ravens website

1995... 11/6 Cleveland Browns announced intention to move to Baltimore for 1996 season.
1996... 2/9 NFL approved franchise move.
2/15 Ted Marchibroda was named Baltimore Ravens 1st head coach 21 years and 1 month to the day he was hired by the then-Baltimore Colts in 1975.
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It doesn't say anything about the Ravens being the expansion team.

From the Browns website

1999: Chris Palmer was named the ninth full-time head coach in Cleveland Browns history Jan. 21. The Browns were awarded the rights to the first pick in the 1999 NFL Draft and used the pick to select Kentucky quarterback Tim Couch. The first game at new Cleveland Browns Stadium was played on Aug. 21 against the Minnesota Vikings with the Vikings prevailing, 24-17. In the first regular season game in the Browns' 1999 commemorative season and the first regular-season game at Cleveland Browns Stadium, the Browns lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers, 43-0. The Browns recorded their first victory of the '99 season on Oct. 31 with a last-second Hail Mary pass from Tim Couch to Kevin Johnson.
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But then again, it doesn't say the Browns were an expansion team either. Sure sounds like one though. "Awarded the rights"...."first draft pick".....

Also sounds like the NFL doesn't want to call the Browns an expansion team for some reason. idonno:
 
They call the Browns an expansion team here....kinda....

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/history/draft/99_expansion.php

1999 Expansion Draft

1. OL Jim Pyne (Detroit)
2. DE Hurvin McCormack (Dallas)
3. OL Scott Rehberg (New England)
4. WR Damon Gibson (Cincinnati)
5. C Steve Gordon (San Francisco)
6. LB/FB Tarek Saleh (Carolina)
7. OL Jeff Buckey (Miami)
8. LB Jason Kyle (Seattle)
9. DE Rod Manuel (Pittsburgh)
10. LB Lenoy Jones (Tennessee)
11. DB Tim McTyer (Philadelphia)
12. LB Elijah Alexander (Indianapolis)
13. OT Pete Swanson (Kansas City)
14. DB Gerome Williams (San Diego)
15. DB Marlon Forbes (Chicago)
16. WR Justin Armour (Denver)
17. OL Paul Wiggins (Washington)
18. DB Duane Butler (Minnesota)
19. WR Fred Brock (Arizona)
20. DB Kory Blackwell (New York Giants)
21. DB Kevin Devine (Jacksonville)
22. DB Ray Jackson (Buffalo)
23. OL Jim Bundren (New York Jets)
24. OL Ben Cavil (Baltimore)
25. RB Michael Blair (Green Bay)
26. DL Antonio Anderson (Dallas)
27. OL Orlando Bobo (Minnesota)
28. LB James Williams (San Francisco)
29. QB Scott Milanovich (Tampa Bay)
30. DB Eric Stokes (Seattle)
31. RB Ronald Moore (Arizona)
32. FB Clarence Williams (Buffalo)
33. WR Freddie Solomon (Philadelphia)
34. DB Brandon Sanders (New York Giants)
35. DL Mike Thompson (Cincinnati)
36. RB Jerris McPhail (Detroit)
37. CB Antonio Langham (San Francisco)
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And now that I think I totally derailed the thread, I'm out.
 
Nawzer said:
Finally Moe can go back to Larry and Curly. Goodbye!!!
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HoustonFrog said:
What do you mean?The NFL lets you pick guys to start your team. Then you are given the TOP pick in every round to add to it. You basically can sign who you want and conssitently have high draft picks. That is called bad personnel moves. 2-14 is more than one year of regression. Under you argument Capers should have stayed too because we were headed in the right direction. It is a talent level thing mixed with coaching. They all were in it together and we are starting from scratch because of them.
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Thanks, you have proven my point. The teams are able to freeze the folks they most want to keep, so you get the rejects and green as grass rookies. No, 2-14 is one year of regression. Yes, I would have kept Capers as well. If you would have had your way, Paul Brown would have never led his team to the divisional title two years after going 4-10 and neither Holmgren nor Cowher would have had their jobs since they both regressed -- expecially Cowher who went from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. The Texans franchise has no patience whatsoever. That's why it will be just like the Arizona Cardinals. They will always blow everything up after one bad season and thus, with no continuity, will never get anywhere. New Orleans went 20 years before they had a winning season. By the time Kubiak is done, they could very well be halfway there by the time he is shown the door.
 
Bobo said:
Thanks, you have proven my point. The teams are able to freeze the folks they most want to keep, so you get the rejects and green as grass rookies. No, 2-14 is one year of regression. Yes, I would have kept Capers as well. If you would have had your way, Paul Brown would have never led his team to the divisional title two years after going 4-10 and neither Holmgren nor Cowher would have had their jobs since they both regressed -- expecially Cowher who went from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. The Texans franchise has no patience whatsoever. That's why it will be just like the Arizona Cardinals. They will always blow everything up after one bad season and thus, with no continuity, will never get anywhere. New Orleans went 20 years before they had a winning season. By the time Kubiak is done, they could very well be halfway there by the time he is shown the door.
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...and then back to 15-1 with new coaches and players....
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05009/439393.stm

Tenure for an NFL HC is pretty much non-existent now a days, whether you win or lose. Look at some of the recent hires and how long they lasted- Mularkey, Calhoun, Turner, etc. Sherman had 1 losing season at GB after several winning seasons that included divisional championships and got the axe. Tice won at Minnesota, as did Martz in St Louis/Haslett in NO/and the list goes on and on. Capers was actually in a good position in Houston because he had a much longer 'leash/rope' to work with but blew that with his philosophies and inability to admit fault and make effective changes in a timely manner. He coached the Texans the same way he did the Panthers, learning little-if anything-from his mistakes the first try at being a HC. At both stops, his coaching led the team to a downward 'spiral.' Without a doubt, Fisher and Cowher are a rarity among NFL coaches with respect to their tenures. Why? I don't know. They are proven winners with 'bounce back' coaching ability. They are popular with the fans. They are respected by their players. They have 'special' relationships with the ownerships. Will Capers get another shot at being HC? If he does, he'd better be ware that-if he thought his 'rope was short' with an expansion team- he 'aint seen nothing yet.'
 
Bobo said:
Thanks, you have proven my point. The teams are able to freeze the folks they most want to keep, so you get the rejects and green as grass rookies. No, 2-14 is one year of regression. Yes, I would have kept Capers as well. If you would have had your way, Paul Brown would have never led his team to the divisional title two years after going 4-10 and neither Holmgren nor Cowher would have had their jobs since they both regressed -- expecially Cowher who went from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. The Texans franchise has no patience whatsoever. That's why it will be just like the Arizona Cardinals. They will always blow everything up after one bad season and thus, with no continuity, will never get anywhere. New Orleans went 20 years before they had a winning season. By the time Kubiak is done, they could very well be halfway there by the time he is shown the door.
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That proved nothing. They don't just put their scrubs out there..they put their good players they can't afford too. You are completely ignoring FA in other years also which should be strong due to the fact that you can build without dealing with bad contracts like some teams have and you have a fresh cap. Too bad we GAVE out bloated contracts to players that didn't work and we drafted in top positions players who didn't work. Some of these picks were traded away as well. Sorry but when you are the laughingstock and in 4 years you have one of the worst start up records in NFL history, well then you have done something wrong. 2-14 is a matter of talent and coaching. In simpler terms the personnel guy, Casserly and the coach, Capers. You lost all credibility when you said you would have kept Capers.
 
I'm guessing that four years of an inept offense and inconsistent defense equals 1 year of regression in Bobo's world.
 
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