Case Keenum - Fan Pulse Check [UPDATE] Rams claim Case on waivers

[Number19]

I have this strong feeling that when the whole playbook is opened up fully, it will work against Fitzpatrick and will work to Keenum's advantage. May be wrong, but I don't think so.

One thing, OB must see something or knows something that many on this board don't see or understand. Why else is he giving Case the start. Even I felt Savage's performance this past Saturday warranted the reward of a start.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

In what area(s) of the scheme? Athletically or mentally?

Deep.

Keenum is a dangerous thrower of deep passes. His problem is that he's not as good at the intermediate throws that move the chains.

So far, it doesn't look like OB has really allowed his QBs to go after the long ball. If he opens it up and starts asking for longer passing, Keenum's accuracy with the deep ball could trump anything Fitz has going for him.

I'm not saying that I believe this but I believe that's what Doc is referring to.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

One thing, OB must see something or knows something that many on this board don't see or understand. Why else is he giving Case the start. Even I felt Savage's performance this past Saturday warranted the reward of a start.

OTOH, it could be that he's giving Case the chance to win the 2nd spot OR he could be showcasing Case in order to work a trade for him in case Mallett is let go OR in case he wants to ditch Case and go with Savage at #2.

There are lots of possible thought processes at this point.

 

[DX-TEX]

OTOH, it could be that he's giving Case the chance to win the 2nd spot OR he could be showcasing Case in order to work a trade for him in case Mallett is let go OR in case he wants to ditch Case and go with Savage at #2.

There are lots of possible thought processes at this point.

Or Bob McNair is cheap and doesn't want to pay FA money.

 

[DX-TEX]

Wrong thread

 

[tedr]

I have this strong feeling that when the whole playbook is opened up fully, it will work against Fitzpatrick and will work to Keenum's advantage. May be wrong, but I don't think so.

I'd sure like to see them open things up a bit. We have some receivers on this team that can go up and get it, so I hope we work to that.

I don't know much, but I do know this: BoB has infinitely more knowledge about football than I do, so if he thinks Fitz is the best option right now, I trust his judgment- and I'm a Case fan.

Frankly, it doesn't matter to me who's at QB, as long as that person gives us the best chance to win...I'm in the minority, but I think if we can get competent QB play, we can be pretty successful this year. I definitely would not like looking across the line at our defense every play. Our D has a chance to be special this year.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

In what area(s) of the scheme? Athletically or mentally?

Deep.

Keenum is a dangerous thrower of deep passes. His problem is that he's not as good at the intermediate throws that move the chains.

So far, it doesn't look like OB has really allowed his QBs to go after the long ball. If he opens it up and starts asking for longer passing, Keenum's accuracy with the deep ball could trump anything Fitz has going for him.

I'm not saying that I believe this but I believe that's what Doc is referring to.

TPN saved me a bunch of words. Plus I believe that OB will give more "poetic license" to Keenum to do what he does well......improvise. I believe that the more things open up and the more that Fitzpatrick tries to improvise, the more we will see Fitzpatrick play catch with the D.

 

[ObsiWan]

I have this strong feeling that when the whole playbook is opened up fully, it will work against Fitzpatrick and will work to Keenum's advantage. May be wrong, but I don't think so.

Wait... let me get this straight y'all...

They were sucky to sorta satisfactory with O'Brien Offense 101, The Pre-School/Preseason Version. So now we expect them to get better with O'Brien Offense 401, the Regular Season/Pro Version??

Do I have that right?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Wait... let me get this straight y'all...

They were sucky to sorta satisfactory with O'Brien Offense 101, The Pre-School/Preseason Version. So now we expect them to get better with O'Brien Offense 401, the Regular Season/Pro Version??

Do I have that right?

When you open up the book to include the deep pass.....and the QB can throw the deep ball, it offers advantage to the run game......and the shorter pass game.........and getting the TEs just waiting for the spoils.

 

[DocBar]

TPN saved me a bunch of words. Plus I believe that OB will give more "poetic license" to Keenum to do what he does well......improvise. I believe that the more things open up and the more that Fitzpatrick tries to improvise, the more we will see Fitzpatrick play catch with the D.

I dunno. Fritz has shown good pocket awareness and has made good choices on when to scramble and in what direction (you know....forward, not backwards like CK does so often).

I haven't gotten the feeling that OB likes a QB that improvises a lot. I get the feeling that making quick, correct, decisive reads and throws is much, much higher up the list than sandlot plays.

 

[Blake]

He is costing us $450,000 this season. That is peanuts for a backup QB with potential.

 

[ObsiWan]

When you open up the book to include the deep pass.....and the QB can throw the deep ball, it offers advantage to the run game......and the shorter pass game.........and getting the TEs just waiting for the spoils.

I would offer that the deep pass has been there this preseason. Savage took a deep shot last week and the DB got lucky and made a blind play - when the receiver opened his arms to reach for the ball the DB stuck his arm out there and the ball hit it.

Those times that Fitz took off and ran, the reason there was room to run is because the wideouts took the DBs deep, leaving room beyond the line of scrimmage for him to to take advantage of. I mean, it ain't like Fitz put moves on folks. Deep patterns created that room to roam.

 

[speedfreek]

..Or perhaps 1 good drive in the entire preseason isn't
enough to convince BoB that Savage is ready to be the backup
over a guy with actual NFL starting experience?

I mean, I like Tom, but it was one drive in the entire preseason.
I need to see more before I throw away a guy with actual regular
season experience..

(or at least that makes sense to me..)

 

[BigBull]

He is costing us $450,000 this season. That is peanuts for a backup QB with potential.

Potential lol. I guess if by potential you mean below average backup or starter then yeah I agree.


Sent from the future...

 

[Porky]

If Case Keenum from UH was Joe Blow from Idaho St. he'd already been run out of town on a rail by the fans.

The homerism is on full display. Case is always going to be at least decent in the pre-season. When the lights come on and teams have their 1's and game plan and start blitzing the crap out of him, he'll fold up like a tent.

You know it, I know it, the rest of the NFL knows it. Even that tribe that has no human interaction and lives in the Amazon rain forest knows it.

He's garbage as an NFL starter and how this Case love continues is just naked

 

[BigBull]

If Case Keenum from UH was Joe Blow from Idaho St. he'd already been run out of town on a rail by the fans.

The homerism is on full display. Case is always going to be at least decent in the pre-season. When the lights come on and teams have their 1's and game plan and start blitzing the crap out of him, he'll fold up like a tent.

You know it, I know it, the rest of the NFL knows it. Even that tribe that has no human interaction and lives in the Amazon rain forest knows it.

He's garbage as an NFL starter and how this Case love continues is just naked

Rep added for speaking the truth.

 

[jradMIT]

Everyone speaks of his possibility of growth, but the guy had a year on the PS, a year on the team, 8 Starts etc., yet he still doesn't get in a rhythm out there and makes the same mistakes. Its not like this guy has the physical tools to play at a high level without having elite mental play. What makes anyone think that he is somehow going to get dramatically better in his decision making? Marginally better yes, but he needs to be significantly better.

People are dogging Fitz and how terrible he is, yet he has actually played well enough not only to get a big contract extension, but to get picked up by two other teams even after he has failed. Right now there is more of a chance that Case never plays another season in the NFL after 2014 than there is that he starts as many games as Fitz has in his career. Get over that fast 3 game start of last year, it was a fluke. Case's upside is being another Fitzpatrick, its definitely not being a top 16 starter.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Not sure if we're at a point where OB can be believed on something like this but if this story is accurate and he means it then we're set at QB.

Harvey: Texans have their Quarterback, for better or worse.

So it looks like we all most likely get another season of Keenum at backup unless Savage just blows up tomorrow night.

From Harvey:

Asked about the possibility of bringing in another quarterback, O’Brien has said since the day he arrived the Texans would consider anyone who would help the team. He gave a different answer Tuesday, saying the Texans aren’t in the market anymore for another quarterback.

From OB:

I would say more than likely there will be three quarterbacks on the roster to start the season,” he said. “I would tell you that, obviously, these three have been with us for awhile, especially Case and Ryan and then Tommy came in after the draft. So, more than likely, these will be the three.

Okay, I'm not exactly getting from point A to point B on this one. While you could argue that it is most likely that the three QB's we have today are the three QB's we have on opening day, I have long since taken any qualification on the part of an NFL coach such as "More than likely" as essentially permission to ignore the entire statement that is to folllow. At a minimum, Harvey seems to believe this is some sort of definitive statement, and I don't.

 

[thunderkyss]

You know, I realize Fitz is our guy and everything. I know that's not going to change. Right now I'm saying "Start Keenum" because Fitz is our guy. The reason I would start Keenum over Fitz is that I don't think Fitz is better than Keenum. Until he demonstrates otherwise* I see him as a waste of time. At least with Keenum there's a possibility at least that he shows growth and improvement. Fitz is 12 years of well documented mediocrity with a splash of "Doh!" here and there.

If Keenum (or Savage for that matter) just tears it up Thursday it's going to really fuel that doubt I have where Fitz is concerned. I think that will be a pretty common reaction among Texans fans. I hope they both look good because I think we're going to be looking for options in a month or so.

What I'm really wondering about though is what OB will do if Fitz goes out there and does what he's almost always done in the past. How short is the leash and is OB a guy who will make a switch when something isn't working. I can't wait to find out how that plays out because that will tell us if he's going to be a guy who can be flexible and is willing to experiment to get the results he wants or is he going to be another Kubiak type who will keep grinding away until he's failed utterly.



*Make no mistake, once the real games start I'm looking for the miracle and hoping that Fitz does just that

I agree with you. If either Keenum or Savage are lucky enough to have a 10 year career in this league, there is no doubt in my mind their 10th year will be better than Fitz's 10th year.

& I don't say that because I'm high on Keenum or Savage's potential, I just know where/what Fitz is.

 

[dream_team]

Deep.

Keenum is a dangerous thrower of deep passes. His problem is that he's not as good at the intermediate throws that move the chains.

So far, it doesn't look like OB has really allowed his QBs to go after the long ball. If he opens it up and starts asking for longer passing, Keenum's accuracy with the deep ball could trump anything Fitz has going for him.

I'm not saying that I believe this but I believe that's what Doc is referring to.

I don't think it's a matter of opening up the playbook. It's a matter of taking what the defense gives you. Just because we're not making deep passes, doesn't mean we're not sending guys deep. If you & I know Case is good at the deep ball, guess what, so do the opposing coaches. Therefore, they're going to take away his biggest strength.

Case needs to show he's able to take what the defense gives him. So far, he hasn't been able to.

 

[BigBull]

This thread has become so comical with all this Keenum love. Fitz has out played him this preseason plain and simple. The posters saying when the playbook is opened up Keenum will outplay Fitz just crack me up, because you know when there is even more to process Keenum will be able to outperform Fitz even though he can't do it in the condensed version. smh :vincepalm:

 

[thunderkyss]

Plus I believe that OB will give more "poetic license" to Keenum to do what he does well......improvise. I believe that the more things open up and the more that Fitzpatrick tries to improvise, the more we will see Fitzpatrick play catch with the D.

I think the ability to improvise, or rather it's importance, depends on the rest of the team learning their assignments. If everybody learns what they need to learn & are able to execute, then there should be no reason to improvise & Case's ability to manage the game from the pocket will take precedence.

I think the rest of the team is ahead of where OB expected them to be & that's probably why he's adamantly stuck with Fitz... because when everything is going right, Fitz is better than Case.

That's the only way it makes sense to me.

 

[ChampionTexan]

I think the ability to improvise, or rather it's importance, depends on the rest of the team learning their assignments.

I think it's kind of interesting that in 3 preseason games playing partial minutes that Fitzpatrick has 54 yards rushing compared to the 72 yards Keenum racked up over the entire regular season lasy year. His 23 yard scramble in the Arizona game topped Case's longest run of last season by a yard.

Perhaps not all that significant, just the inverse of how you'd guess this would work out.

 

[JCTexan]

This thread has become so comical with all this Keenum love. Fitz has out played him this preseason plain and simple. The posters saying when the playbook is opened up Keenum will outplay Fitz just crack me up, because you know when there is even more to process Keenum will be able to outperform Fitz even though he can't do it in the condensed version. smh :vincepalm:

You're right in saying Fitzpatrick has outplayed Keenum, but it's marginal and both have played terrible this preseason.

Fitz is 25-43 (58.1%), 232 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (61.4 QBR)

Keenum is 20-35 (57.1%), 184 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT (59.7 QBR)

 

[infantrycak]

You're right in saying Fitzpatrick has outplayed Keenum, but it's marginal and both have played terrible this preseason.

Fitz is 25-43 (58.1%), 232 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (61.4 QBR)

Keenum is 20-35 (57.1%), 184 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT (59.7 QBR)

Yeah this is horrid. If this is what the "vets" are going to bring just give Savage the whole season to prove they shouldn't take a QB in the 1st next year.

This really is looking like a train wreck. Let's start Fitz for 6-7 games and then finally demote him and give Keenum 6-7 games to get a fair chance and then with nothing on the line throw Savage out there for 2-4 games and not get a decent look at him. Not impressed with OB on this one although I approve of not forcing a pick if they didn't like a QB earlier.

 

[Hervoyel]

Yeah this is horrid. If this is what the "vets" are going to bring just give Savage the whole season to prove they shouldn't take a QB in the 1st next year.

This really is looking like a train wreck. Let's start Fitz for 6-7 games and then finally demote him and give Keenum 6-7 games to get a fair chance and then with nothing on the line throw Savage out there for 2-4 games and not get a decent look at him. Not impressed with OB on this one although I approve of not forcing a pick if they didn't like a QB earlier.

It's interesting that you say that because I was thinking the same thing earlier today. This isn't David Carr with no offensive line to speak of here (Though both of these "veterans" are statistically deep into David Carr territory). This is a guy who is a rookie (admittedly) and who would have a Pro Bowl WR to throw to, A first round draft pick WR on the other side of him, a Pro Bowl RB to hand off to, TE's that are easily better than Billy Miller, and as much help as the rest of the offense (with the exception of Derrick Newton who can't help that he sucks) can give him. Duane Brown to watch his blind side is a step up from rookie Chester Pitts or street-clothes Tony Boselli.

Totally different situations and I'd almost like to see them just give him the shot. It's not like the alternatives are compelling.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yeah this is horrid. If this is what the "vets" are going to bring just give Savage the whole season to prove they shouldn't take a QB in the 1st next year.

This really is looking like a train wreck. Let's start Fitz for 6-7 games and then finally demote him and give Keenum 6-7 games to get a fair chance and then with nothing on the line throw Savage out there for 2-4 games and not get a decent look at him. Not impressed with OB on this one although I approve of not forcing a pick if they didn't like a QB earlier.

Fify

 

[BigBull]

You're right in saying Fitzpatrick has outplayed Keenum, but it's marginal and both have played terrible this preseason.

Fitz is 25-43 (58.1%), 232 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (61.4 QBR)

Keenum is 20-35 (57.1%), 184 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT (59.7 QBR)

Fitz put his numbers up against 1s and 2s while Keenum put his up against 2s, but mostly against 3s and guys that won't be in the league next week. Yeah so only marginally but against better competition. I also think Keenum's ceiling is not Fitz like some are saying I think it's below Fitz and I think he has already reached it and it's not worthy of a roster spot in my opinion.

 

[infantrycak]

Fitz put his numbers up against 1s and 2s while Keenum put his up against 2s, but mostly against 3s and guys that won't be in the league next week. Yeah so only marginally but against better competition. I also think Keenum's ceiling is not Fitz like some are saying I think it's below Fitz and I think he has already reached it and it's not worthy of a roster spot in my opinion.

I don't think the two combined amount to squat but that argument just doesn't fly. Fitz wasn't out there in maroon and white (with a pocket protecter) all by himself. Yeah he went against ones....with ones whereas Keenum went up against 2s and 3s with 2s and 3s.

 

[beerlover]

I don't think the two combined amount to squat but that argument just doesn't fly. Fitz wasn't out there in maroon and white (with a pocket protecter) all by himself. Yeah he went against ones....with ones whereas Keenum went up against 2s and 3s with 2s and 3s.

It does need to be apples to apples & oranges to oranges who the heck knows for sure what will happen? But I feel both QB's will improve in O'Brians offense over what is expected because O'Brian is better head coaching material than Gary Kubiak. The fear I have for Keenum is that he's damaged goods from Kubiak & his lack of faith in him as a leader under difficult conditions. Fitz lacks arm strength but makes up for it with savvy & toughness.

In the end both look like career back-ups with occasional starting gigs until Savage or another strong armed QB that can run a pro style offense, execute hot reads, make his progressions & stretch defenses without making boneheaded mistakes.

 

[thunderkyss]

In the end both look like career back-ups with occasional starting gigs until Savage or another strong armed QB that can run a pro style offense, execute hot reads, make his progressions & stretch defenses without making boneheaded mistakes.

They all make bone headed mistakes; Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning.... the key is to make more good plays than bad ones.

 

[Texecutioner]

Keenum was arguably the worst starter in the league last season.


I just get a good laugh at the Houston Homers who continue to scream for Keenum. The barometer for a quality QB in this city has got to be the worst in the entire country for what people think a quality QB looks like.

 

[Scooter]

You're right in saying Fitzpatrick has outplayed Keenum, but it's marginal and both have played terrible this preseason.

Fitz is 25-43 (58.1%), 232 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (61.4 QBR)

Keenum is 20-35 (57.1%), 184 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT (59.7 QBR)

this is why i'm in keenum's corner.

i bought into fitz, and am on the record more than once wanting fitz to be our starter and stop-gap. i was excited and thought, "well there's a guy who can get it done if the talent is around him". NOPE. he's spent the offseason with the 1's, getting the most reps, and even had andre against the broncos with nothing to show for it. had anyone been given 'stick-um' on defense he'd have 7 interceptions through the first 3 games.

keenum's working with the backups and soon to be cuts, and on the same pace as fitz. heck their stats wouldnt even be close if the route and throw were correct as often as the 1's. he's got a connection with andre that fitz doesnt have, as well as an apparent connection with labhart and posey. keenum's going to make too many bad decisions, but apparently so is fitz. i'm going to trust in o'brien however to change the game when kubiak wouldnt/couldnt to allow the talent to flourish. andre was on pace for 10 touchdowns with keenum, a feat he's never achieved (as well as 3 in one game).

it seems to me that the 'haters' arent in fitz's or anyone else's corner. they just dont want to see keenum. call me a homer, no skin of my back ... keenum has probably the only upside of a quarterback available to us THIS SEASON. as much as i wanted it to be, that upside sure as hell doesnt belong to fitzpatrick.

 

[Scooter]

Fitz put his numbers up WITH 1s and 2s while Keenum put his up WITH 2s, but mostly WITH 3s and guys that won't be in the league next week.

fixed it for you. fitz cant find andre, a potential hall of famer, and floats interceptions to hopkins. keenum pegs the 6th string tightend and 7th wide receiver in the back because they dont know their hot assignments.

 

[thetexanator]

keenum still looks lost when getting blitzed. its over for the kid.

 

[BigBull]

fixed it for you. fitz cant find andre, a potential hall of famer, and floats interceptions to hopkins. keenum pegs the 6th string tightend and 7th wide receiver in the back because they dont know their hot assignments.

But yet Fitz doesn't look lost in the sauce like Keenum. Face it Keenum sucks as does Fitz, but aleast Fitz seems to understand blitz protection and looks good in the 2 minute offense while Keenum just doesn't get it. By the way Keenum had 8 games with the starters to prove hecould do something other than loose and we all know how that turnout don't we.

 

[Scooter]

But yet Fitz doesn't look lost in the sauce like Keenum. Face it Keenum sucks as does Fitz, but aleast Fitz seems to understand blitz protection and looks good in the 2 minute offense while Keenum just doesn't get it. By the way Keenum had 8 games with the starters to prove hecould do something other than loose and we all know how that turnout don't we.

what blitz? keenum's barely been blitzed this preseason, and is actually one of his better adjustments. the only "oh crap he's running the wrong way" moment happened when the DT went unblocked up the middle. otherwise he's been more on time than the other 2 quarterbacks combined (which is actually an area of criticism for me) - he's got his plant and throw schedule down pretty dang well. 2 minute offense, you mean that one time when fitz subbed in, took too long to find his target, and scrambled to throw cross-body a couple times? (after the 2nd team defense was in, which according to 'anybody but keenum rules' means his play is null and void)

by the way fitz has 84 GAMES with the starters to prove he could do something. keenum had 8 GAMES on a sunk ship with a head coach in ER.

 

[BigBull]

what blitz? keenum's barely been blitzed this preseason, and is actually one of his better adjustments. the only "oh crap he's running the wrong way" moment happened when the DT went unblocked up the middle. otherwise he's been more on time than the other 2 quarterbacks combined (which is actually an area of criticism for me) - he's got his plant and throw schedule down pretty dang well. 2 minute offense, you mean that one time when fitz subbed in, took too long to find his target, and scrambled to throw cross-body a couple times? (after the 2nd team defense was in, which according to 'anybody but keenum rules' means his play is null and void)

by the way fitz has 84 GAMES with the starters to prove he could do something. keenum had 8 GAMES on a sunk ship with a head coach in ER.

But, but, but, that's all Keenums fans seem to know how to say. All I hear is excuse after excuse and still no results on the field. smh I love the Fitz has had 84 games and Keenum has only had 8 especially when leaving out the fact that Fitz has actually won games and Keenum has yet to lead a pro team to victory. I know but, but, but....:mariopalm:

 

[Scooter]

But, but, but, that's all Keenums fans seem to know how to say. All I hear is excuse after excuse and still no results on the field. smh I love the Fitz has had 84 games and Keenum has only had 8 especially when leaving out the fact that Fitz has actually won games and Keenum has yet to lead a pro team to victory. I know but, but, but....:mariopalm:

results on the field, we're going in circles here. keenum has the same numbers as fitz - doing so with the scrubs. aikman was 0-11, schaub had a streak of 11-1, fitz is 27-49 ... one of these things is not like the other, which are you defending so adamantly? as i said earlier, most of those that are posting here against keenum getting time dont have an allegiance - other than 'anybody but keenum' for no reason other than anybody but keenum. you're that category's poster child.

 

[BigBull]

results on the field, we're going in circles here. keenum has the same numbers as fitz - doing so with the scrubs. aikman was 0-11, schaub had a streak of 11-1, fitz is 27-49 ... one of these things is not like the other, which are you defending so adamantly? as i said earlier, those that are against keenum getting time dont have an allegiance - other than 'anybody but keenum' for no reason other than anybody but keenum.

The weakest argument I keep hearing is first year starter records for qbs. All these qbs at least show promise of understanding protection, ability to make quick decisions, ability to run a pro offense, and good grasp of the offense. Keenum hasn't show any of that. You say I don't have an allegiance, but I clearly stated that Fitz is my choice if choosing between him a Keenum. Fitz and Kennum # aren't the same and maybe he is the scrub not just the players he is playing with.

 

[Scooter]

The weakest argument I keep hearing is first year starter records for qbs. All these qbs at least show promise of understanding protection, ability to make quick decisions, ability to run a pro offense, and good grasp of the offense. Keenum hasn't show any of that. You say I don't have an allegiance, but I clearly stated that Fitz is my choice if choosing between him a Keenum. Fitz and Kennum # aren't the same and maybe he is the scrub not just the players he is playing with.

put your stamp on it. how many wins is fitz good for? 10? 12? he's got studs at 1 & 2 receiver, with posey and labhart being great depth. 2 all-pros on the line with a beast at RG and a stud rookie at LG. TE's are deep, and he's got another all-pro in the backfield. fitz is the friggin man! let me hear it. of course he's never done it before, has looked like crap this preseason by doing his best to throw it to the other team, and his numbers are inflated in one drive against 2nd teamers. but you are a believer. how many wins? put it out there.

wait. your prediction is 4-6 wins. that's what fitz is worth? 4-6 wins? an aging veteran with talent around him cant keep his mistakes down enough to even get us to average? hmmm. if only we had someone else who at least could resemble the word potential, instead of proven inadequacy in the form of 4-6 wins. BUT ... anybody but keenum.

this is why folks like myself are seen as homers. not because we are, but because others are hell-bent on perpetuating the disdain for what they perceive as favoritism. my favorite scenario? keenum lights it up and is traded for a pick next year, while savage becomes our franchise quarterback for the next 10-15 years.

 

[BigBull]

put your stamp on it. how many wins is fitz good for? 10? 12? he's got studs at 1 & 2 receiver, with posey and labhart being great depth. 2 all-pros on the line with a beast at RG and a stud rookie at LG. TE's are deep, and he's got another all-pro in the backfield. fitz is the friggin man! let me hear it. of course he's never done it before, has looked like crap this preseason by doing his best to throw it to the other team, and his numbers are inflated in one drive against 2nd teamers. but you are a believer. how many wins? put it out there..

I've posted on here many times that I believe the Texans finish with anywhere from 7-9 wins with Fitz as the starter. I believe with Keemun you're looking at 1-3 wins at best.

wait. your prediction is 4-6 wins. that's what fitz is worth? 4-6 wins? an aging veteran with talent around him cant keep his mistakes down enough to even get us to average? hmmm. if only we had someone else who at least could resemble the word potential, instead of proven inadequacy in the form of 4-6 wins. BUT ... anybody but keenum..

No my prediction is 7-9 wins. I never said that if only we had someone else. I'm a proponent of playing your best players. Anybody but Keenum? I've never said that. If I thought Keenum was the best for the job I would want him to start, but our own hc says that he is fighting for the two spot with a rookie who has very little playing time even in college and says its a close competition.

this is why folks like myself are seen as homers. not because we are, but because others are hell-bent on perpetuating the disdain for what they perceive as favoritism. my favorite scenario? keenum lights it up and is traded for a pick next year, while savage becomes our franchise quarterback for the next 10-15 years.

I haven't any disdain for Keenum I just believe he not good enough to start and may not even be good enough to beat out Savage. As far as homers I've never met a fan that wasn't a homer myself included. My favorite scenario would be for Fitz to keep us competitive while Savage learns and develops behind him and gets to start anywhere from 4-8 games and shows enough to be considered our franchise qb. If by some miracle Keenum ends up starting and becomes a star for the Texans I guarantee you won't hear anyone cheering him on more than me. I'm a Texans fan first and foremost I cheer for the name on the front not the back. I have my favorite players just like anyone, but I'm team first players second.

 

[Scooter]

wow, i was extra hammered in that exchange. i need some kind of drunk restriction that keeps me from posting after midnight lol.

 

[Nitrofish]

Keenum was only ever in real danger of losing his spot on the Texans if an “Aaron Rodgers” or “Peyton Manning” caliber quarterback were to come available.

And I thought we had some real Keenum truthers here. Chris Baldwin reveal yourself. I know you post here. Read the entire article. It's hilarious!


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[jradMIT]

If you take out the first game, which I know is a lot, Fitz numbers aren't that bad. 19/29 177yds 1 TN 0 INT. Bottom line is that Fitz has serious limitations, but he seems to know what to do and have decent pocket awareness, hence all the scrambles for positive yards. Keenum has too often looked lost, and despite what some people say on here also has physical limitations. I don't think it has been any where close performance wise.

 

[DocBar]

'nuff said. Next man up. CK isn't that man. Sorry to all the CK supporters..

 

[Dishman]

The end?

 

[Vance87]

Savage is giving him life.

 

[Hervoyel]

Case closed. He just doesn't move the team consistently and it's time to start looking elsewhere for someone who can. Big fan of his work in college but his game isn't translating to this level. It's not the first time that ever happened and it won't be the last.

Savage is a rookie and he looks like it. I have no problem with his performance tonight if he learns from it. Keep working at it and keep getting better.

 

[badboy]

Keenum needed to bring it tonight but did not. I don't see anything better on this horizon.