Carr vs. Sage

[real]

FYI--Carr has attempted three deep balls this off-season--none successful. 1 deep over the middle to AJ against the Rams, tipped by a LB. 1 against the Broncos deep on the left side line where Moulds and Carr were off by a foot and 1 deep left side line to AJ against the Broncos.

If it weren't for minor mistakes in each, all three would have been great plays...

 

[HOU-TEX]

Yeah sort of...I would call it more of a short/intermediate pass system though...

= dink and dunk

 

[texflex513]

I would say thats true for an established team like the Colts...But for the Texans I think it means a lot....We have a new system and if players can't get it in the pre-season what leads you to believe they'll get it in the regular season all of a sudden...

Well maybe with the full playbook and a few games played during the season players will start to get the system. I mean thats why they practice right?

 

[real]

= dink and dunk

Yeah..lol

 

[real]

Well maybe with the full playbook and a few games played during the season players will start to get the system. I mean thats why they practice right?

That shall remain to be seen.

 

[Blake]

Well I appreciate all the good insight. I have no problem handing the keys to Carr game 1, and I hope to God he feels the pressure from Sage.

Does anyone know why Carr still throws so low? I mean the guys passes are as low as Browns feild goal attempts.

 

[thunderkyss]

Comparing Sage vs backups and Carr vs starters is like comparing apples and oranges . . .

that's like saying comparing Carr to Peyton manning is like comparing apples to oranges.

it doesn't matter that it's apples to oranges, we are comparing them.

In your opinion, do you think Sage's 100.9 QB rating(against 2s & 3s) is better, the same, or not as good as Carr's 69.3 QB rating against starters??

to me, I think it says we should be able to expect Sage to do just as well against the starters as David is.

That doesn't mean that I think Sage should replace Carr. No, David get's his time. he's the starter, and I don't expect him to play like a probowler this year. I do expect to see improvement every week.

If I see another throw to a guy who is covered the way AJ was in the KC & StL games, then we are in trouble.

 

[infantrycak]

If it weren't for minor mistakes in each, all three would have been great plays...

True and complete those three and Carr's stat line would likely be -- 31 of 44, 70%, 350 yds, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 99.6 QB rating.

It is a useless what if, but somehow I bet even though his play and decision making would have been essentially no different the discussion around here would be far different.

 

[real]

that's like saying comparing Carr to Peyton manning is like comparing apples to oranges.

it doesn't matter that it's apples to oranges, we are comparing them.

In your opinion, do you think Sage's 100.9 QB rating(against 2s & 3s) is better, the same, or not as good as Carr's 69.3 QB rating against starters??

to me, I think it says we should be able to expect Sage to do just as well against the starters as David is.

That doesn't mean that I think Sage should replace Carr. No, David get's his time. he's the starter, and I don't expect him to play like a probowler this year. I do expect to see improvement every week.

If I see another throw to a guy who is covered the way AJ was in the KC & StL games, then we are in trouble.

Best....Post....Ever....

 

[texan279]

Thats true...But something else to keep in mind is that we haven't been using our whole playbook.....I would like to see him go down field more also, but if he can dink and dunk untill he scores that IMO, is even better....[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. Even though I'd like to see a deep ball here and there (which I think we will) those little dink and dunk passes get first downs which in turn lead to TDs. IIRC, the WCO is dink and dunk, correct?

Yep which is why it kind of irks me when people start complaining that Carr is not airing the ball out. The WCO is an offense where a defense must be stretched with a short passing attack that features sharp patterns by the receivers and quick drops by the quarterback. This 'stretching' will then open up running lanes for the backs to exploit.

 

[SESupergenius]

If I see another throw to a guy who is covered the way AJ was in the KC & StL games, then we are in trouble.

I saw Sage do the same thing in preseason, he thew to guys that were covered, but he hit the TD's. I saw improvement from Carr through these preseason games, not huge improvement, but there was some. I don't expect him to shine against Philadelphia but I agree, we would need to see improvement. If we continue to run the ball like we are doing, it's going to open up this offense like nobody here has seen before. Trust me, if we get a half way decent defense and a running came, by all logic Carr will be better.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I think the best person to compare Carr to is (hopefully) Jim Plunkett . Plunkett was drafted 1st by the Patriots out of Stanford , he started right away ... got killed and was traded to San Fran . He got killed at SF and was released . He was picked up by the Raiders as a backup to Dan Pastorini . Dante broke his leg and Plunkett with no pressure takes his team to the Superbowl twice .

 

[texflex513]

Trust me, if we get a half way decent defense and a running came, by all logic Carr will be better.

I agree..That right there is 2 tons of pressure lifted off of carrs shoulders.

 

[texan279]

I saw Sage do the same thing in preseason, he thew to guys that were covered, but he hit the TD's. I saw improvement from Carr through these preseason games, not huge improvement, but there was some. I don't expect him to shine against Philadelphia but I agree, we would need to see improvement. If we continue to run the ball like we are doing, it's going to open up this offense like nobody here has seen before. Trust me, if we get a half way decent defense and a running came, by all logic Carr will be better.

Oh buddy, I hope what we have seen from our defense and running game this preseason is just a mere glimpse of what they do in the regular season. Watching the last few games I could see us turning into a Bears type team this season, great defense, good running game, so-so passing game. IMO our defense has done a total 180, I think our defenseive line will be our strong point this season, and hopefully will help out our thin secondary. I think if Carr gets on track then the running game can open up the passing game and vice versa and playoffs next season IMO would not be that big of a stretch. Who knows, I am almost falling asleep typing this maybe I am just a big .

 

[cuppacoffee]

It is quite possible, that David Carr will be a flop.......... It is possible that he might not be put back together again.

Knowing that, passing on VinceYOung upset me......... quite a bit. But, Kubiak went after this guy Rosenfels..... I figured he was up to something.

My biggest fear, was that Carr would flop, then we'd be looking for another QB.

I'm confident in Sage now, that if Carr does stink it up, and we cut him, I don't think we'd be as desperate for a QB. we can start Sage, as Porter develops....... and if Sage doesn't cut it, we'd have Porter. By the time we find that Porter won't cut it, we'd have another couple of QBs being developed.

Not the same thing as having Vince Young(who I'm sure will one day be in the HoF), but our bases are covered.

TK... you still drinking the PA water?..or got hold of some bad boudain? ...

 

[texflex513]

Oh buddy, I hope what we have seen from our defense and running game this preseason is just a mere glimpse of what they do in the regular season. Watching the last few games I could see us turning into a Bears type team this season, great defense, good running game, so-so passing game. IMO our defense has done a total 180, I think our defenseive line will be our strong point this season, and hopefully will help out our thin secondary. I think if Carr gets on track then the running game can open up the passing game and vice versa and playoffs next season IMO would not be that big of a stretch. Who knows, I am almost falling asleep typing this maybe I am just a big .

If our D line steps it up our DBs will have opportunities to pick off passes left and right i cant wait this will be a very long week.

 

[texan279]

If our D line steps it up our DBs will have opportunities to pick off passes left and right i cant wait this will be a very long week.

Our defensive line has so much depth it is almost unreal to me. Mario, Kalu, Babin, Peek, TJ, Robaire, and Payne, we could probably field two starting defensive lines with those guys! If we rotate them in and out and keep then fresh our line will dominate IMO.

 

[Double Barrel]

Poise, pocket presence, making reads, checking off receivers...these are the characteristics of solid NFL QBs, regardless if they play against starters, 2nd or 3rd stringers. Some guys got it, and some need to get it. We will soon see who has what in 9 days. I can't wait, because then it goes beyond speculation and we have real game situations to evaluate.

Until then, in Carr we trust!

 

[texan279]

Poise, pocket presence, making reads, checking off receivers...these are the characteristics of solid NFL QBs, regardless if they play against starters, 2nd or 3rd stringers. Some guys got it, and some need to get it. We will soon see who has what in 9 days. I can't wait, because then it goes beyond speculation and we have real game situations to evaluate.

Until then, in Carr we trust!

Here, here! Bring on the iggles!

 

[texflex513]

Our defensive line has so much depth it is almost unreal to me. Mario, Kalu, Babin, Peek, TJ, Robaire, and Payne, we could probably field two starting defensive lines with those guys! If we rotate them in and out and keep then fresh our line will dominate IMO.

No doubt.... i want more of mario and peek on the same side.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Best....Post....Ever....

Most posters agree that a reply is BPE when they agree with their point of view.

I learned a lonnnnnnngggggg time ago that it is hard to argue with a yes.:bananasplit:

But that tends to take all the fun out of it.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Most posters agree that a reply is BPE when they agree with their point of view.

I learned a lonnnnnnngggggg time ago that it is hard to argue with a yes.:bananasplit:

But that tends to take all the fun out of it.

Bets post ever ... part 2

 

[Double Barrel]

Here, here! Bring on the iggles!

Bring it!

 

[thunderkyss]

I just dont see ANY progress like I thought Kubiak expected. He frustrates me.

I think this is the root of all these, "start Sage" thoughts.........

For all we know, David is surpassing what kubes thought he'd be doing, considering the state he found David in......... we really don't know. Since David is still starting, we have to assume that he is either meeting every bar Kubiak places for him, if not going beyound.

 

[thunderkyss]

Thats true...But something else to keep in mind is that we haven't been using our whole playbook.....I would like to see him go down field more also, but if he can dink and dunk untill he scores that IMO, is even better....

I agree 100%. Even though I'd like to see a deep ball here and there (which I think we will) those little dink and dunk passes get first downs which in turn lead to TDs. IIRC, the WCO is dink and dunk, correct?

Just asking...... why would it be better for our QB to dink and dunk us to a score, but we've got to have a RB who is a threat to score from anywhere on the field??

I'd be happy with the RB who can dink and dunk us to the endzone, and the QB who can strike from anywhere.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK... you still drinking the PA water?..or got hold of some bad boudain? ...

Now you know their ain't no such thang as bad boudain............

 

[TK_Gamer]

well if I were a betting man....I would bet David Carr will start in the philly game. now if the defense plays good and the running game works carr will do fine. as for sage...did anyone notice the 4 or 5 terrible throws he's had to checkdowns? to checkdowns? thats why sage will never start and Carr will get his chance. I would rather watch david carr miss or throw an int to andre than watch sage miss a checkdown dump to the full back thats wide open. this offense is all about check downs and dump offs, and Carr does them just fine. once he has a lil confidence in the line and the rb's picking up LB blitzes up the middle then the long ball will definately be an option. those that went to training camp practices know david can throw the deep ball, so its not ability, its confidence , and it will surely come. and I will expect a platefulll of crow burgers to be had by all you naysayers.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Just asking...... why would it be better for our QB to dink and dunk us to a score, but we've got to have a RB who is a threat to score from anywhere on the field??

I'd be happy with the RB who can dink and dunk us to the endzone, and the QB who can strike from anywhere.

We were discussing the passing game. Sure, everyone would love to be able to run the ball all the time. The dink and dunk passing game is just as good as running the ball as far as keeping the defense off the field and killing the clock. That's assuming they're completing the passes on a regulat basis.