Carr : QB's to fear in the future...

[Tex Trenches]

Carr improves this year because...

... Gary Kubiak knows a thing or two about developing quaterbacks.

... a new system will allow David to utilize his talents.

... more weapons will give Carr more opportunities to move the football.

... better protection will give more time to succeed.

... David needs to prove to "some" fans that passing on Young was the right choice.

 

[TEXANRED]

So you're a Carr-hater hater?

In fairness, some positive spins do get a little carried away. For instance, the tital of this thread - "Carr : QB's to fear in the future..." - while shiny optimistic, it seems a tad bit unrealistic based upon what we have seen the past four seasons.

Now, if the premise had been "Carr : QB's to rise in the future..." (or something along those lines), I'd say it's a bit more realistic. But seriously, nobody in the NFL fears Carr right now...not to say that they won't someday...but no, not in the near future.

No I am not a Carr hater hater, I am a..........uh.........well.......um.........I guess I am a Carr hater hater.


The tittle of this thread was from inside the NFL when discussing possible future QB's that may strike fear into the hearts of Defenses. Darren Woodson has said Carr would be as long as he had time and wasen't looking up at the sky.

 

[real]

Your so wrong on this comment you have no idea. Carr never goes a game without being mauled by the defense. If you take Carr and put him in behind Indy's offensive line, this guy puts up some serious numbers. Texans, you have a very good, and could seriously be a top 5 Q.B. IF he gets protection. He cant throw sitting on his rear, or looking out the earhole of his helm cause he gets smaked around to much. I hate to see it with him, because I fear he may lose his confidence after getting beaten around, then again I really dont want him to florish in my division.

How is he supposed to step up in a pocket that is not there, read a defense when all he sees is a linemans jersey. So IMO its physical not mental, that poor Q.B. is is physically getting his brains kicked in.

New coach is gonna help you guys more then most belive, my suprise pick team this year is the Texans. you all come so close to the playoffs, but fall short........that happens next year. wild card.

People....Guys, Girls...Listen up.....Of course Carr can be a good QB...IF he has a good o-line...good coaches....good wide-outs...good plays to run...good running game... if,if,if,if..Man...Thats alot of if's...If alot of QB's would have had these things they'd have done better than what they did...Fact is Carr hasn't proven that he can be good despite problems,he has played poorly and has been sacked more times in his first 3 yrs than anyone ever...Alot of Qb's can be GOOD with a GOOD line....thats not saying much....He's not SPECIAL....Can he be Serviceable....Sure....Can he put up GREAT numbers in a GREAT offense...why not....But can He lead us to victory IF things aren't going our way...Can our line have a bad game and he stilll shine...IMO...NO....Carr is what he is....Not saying we cant win with Carr, because we can...He's just nothing special...And if Carr puts up pro-bowl numbers next yr. I'll be happy for the guy str8 up...But In my opinion he will be the product of the system whether its good or bad

 

[Vinny]

No I am not a Carr hater hater, I am a..........uh.........well.......um.........I guess I am a Carr hater hater.


The tittle of this thread was from inside the NFL when discussing possible future QB's that may strike fear into the hearts of Defenses. Darren Woodson has said Carr would be as long as he had time and wasen't looking up at the sky.

Why is it some people can't see anything but black or white? You know, there is a middle ground between pollyanna and hatred. I think most people are somewhere in the middle. I don't see 'hatred' for a player when you critique his game when you are talking some football with your buddies...I just see guys talking football....I don't think these eyes see all the hatred your eyes do.

 

[hollywood_texan]

People....Guys, Girls...Listen up.....Of course Carr can be a good QB...IF he has a good o-line...good coaches....good wide-outs...good plays to run...good running game... if,if,if,if..Man...Thats alot of if's...If alot of QB's would have had these things they'd have done better than what they did...Fact is Carr hasn't proven that he can be good despite problems,he has played poorly and has been sacked more times in his first 3 yrs than anyone ever...Alot of Qb's can be GOOD with a GOOD line....thats not saying much....He's not SPECIAL....Can he be Serviceable....Sure....Can he put up GREAT numbers in a GREAT offense...why not....But can He lead us to victory IF things aren't going our way...Can our line have a bad game and he stilll shine...IMO...NO....Carr is what he is....Not saying we cant win with Carr, because we can...He's just nothing special...And if Carr puts up pro-bowl numbers next yr. I'll be happy for the guy str8 up...But In my opinion he will be the product of the system whether its good or bad

Very nice and well put. My thoughts exactly.

I am going to leave the Carr thing alone. Everything has already been said about this subject.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

Very nice and well put. My thoughts exactly.

I am going to leave the Carr thing alone. Everything has already been said about this subject.

I would like to hope that this is the end of the discussion til sometime mid season, but I don't think it is going to work out that way.

 

[colts18288]

People....Guys, Girls...Listen up.....Of course Carr can be a good QB...IF he has a good o-line...good coaches....good wide-outs...good plays to run...good running game... if,if,if,if..Man...Thats alot of if's...If alot of QB's would have had these things they'd have done better than what they did...Fact is Carr hasn't proven that he can be good despite problems,he has played poorly and has been sacked more times in his first 3 yrs than anyone ever...Alot of Qb's can be GOOD with a GOOD line....thats not saying much....He's not SPECIAL....Can he be Serviceable....Sure....Can he put up GREAT numbers in a GREAT offense...why not....But can He lead us to victory IF things aren't going our way...Can our line have a bad game and he stilll shine...IMO...NO....Carr is what he is....Not saying we cant win with Carr, because we can...He's just nothing special...And if Carr puts up pro-bowl numbers next yr. I'll be happy for the guy str8 up...But In my opinion he will be the product of the system whether its good or bad

So I guess since Peyton has not won us a superbowl we should get rid of him also. He has all the things you talk about and still cant do squat......
Who holds the Rookie Q.B. sack record?????????It was Peyton Manning. I do not know if Carr has surpassed it but that proves the point that sacks dont mean squat, I guess he could just wing it down field and toss a pick, then watch teams blow you out every week by 40+ points.

As for the question can our line have a bad game and he still shine. Colts vs Steelers...Playoffs last year ring a bell........O line stunk.....Manning stunk and could not carry the team. If the d line does a 3 step drop faster then your Q.B. you may have a problem.

 

[Double Barrel]

I would like to hope that this is the end of the discussion til sometime mid season, but I don't think it is going to work out that way.

You kiddin'? A football forum with over three months to go until football season...sheesh, I predict another couple of dozen threads of this nature.

 

[TEXANRED]

Why is it some people can't see anything but black or white? You know, there is a middle ground between pollyanna and hatred. I think most people are somewhere in the middle. I don't see 'hatred' for a player when you critique his game when you are talking some football with your buddies...I just see guys talking football....I don't think these eyes see all the hatred your eyes do.

True, there is a middle ground. However the middle ground would consist of both good and bad criitique. I would have to say that I have read alot of your posts in reguarding Carr and can not honestly recall ever seeing you post somthing positive about the man. So in my opinion, right or wrong, I would view you as a Carr hater. Now I know that you don't acctually hate the man, you wouldn't go off and burn his house down. Just like I dont really love Carr and bring him a dozen roses before each game, but for drama purposes these are the labels that have been asigned.

 

[Hulk75]

Why is it some people can't see anything but black or white? You know, there is a middle ground between pollyanna and hatred. I think most people are somewhere in the middle. I don't see 'hatred' for a player when you critique his game when you are talking some football with your buddies...I just see guys talking football....I don't think these eyes see all the hatred your eyes do.

Your right, everyone has a right to critique anyones game.
But would you agree that some people know more then others about the game of football?

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

As for the question can our line have a bad game and he still shine. Colts vs Steelers...Playoffs last year ring a bell........O line stunk.....Manning stunk and could not carry the team. If the d line does a 3 step drop faster then your Q.B. you may have a problem.[/QUOTE]


You make a good point. I think Freeney was getting to the pocket quicker than Carr most times when they faced each other.

 

[Double Barrel]

Your right, everyone has a right to critique anyones game.
But would you agree that some people know more then others about the game of football?

ooooohh...can of worms, meet the can opener.

 

[Hulk75]

ooooohh...can of worms, meet the can opener.

Not being mean or nothing, I am just saying.

 

[real]

So I guess since Peyton has not won us a superbowl we should get rid of him also. He has all the things you talk about and still cant do squat......
Who holds the Rookie Q.B. sack record?????????It was Peyton Manning. I do not know if Carr has surpassed it but that proves the point that sacks dont mean squat, I guess he could just wing it down field and toss a pick, then watch teams blow you out every week by 40+ points.

As for the question can our line have a bad game and he still shine. Colts vs Steelers...Playoffs last year ring a bell........O line stunk.....Manning stunk and could not carry the team. If the d line does a 3 step drop faster then your Q.B. you may have a problem.

Hey I don't know about Indy but this is Houston...We aren't planning on Division Titles for the rest of our lives...WE WANT RINGS AND SHINY THINGS...and if DC cant get it done he's gone...and as far as ya'll gettin rid of Manning....If he can't perform adequately enough to win when the o-line is having an off game, or a couple things go wrong maybe ya'll do need to re-evalutate the guy and see just how good he really is...but thats not my concern....But lets not use peyton as the perfect qb...cuz he's not....and neither is anyone else...so for all these comparisons between Carr and whoever is ridiculous...CARR is CARR...OTHERS are WHO THEY ARE...Every Qb is in a totaly different situation than the next....Those other QB's aren't my concern...Im a houstonian...so I talk about Carr...I don't care what manning nor any other Qb did in comparison to Carr last yr. because they weren't in the same situation as him....He has to prove that he can win HERE, cuz i don't care if he can win in INDY...If he can't win IN HOUSTON he's gone....THE END

 

[Vinny]

True, there is a middle ground. However the middle ground would consist of both good and bad criitique. I would have to say that I have read alot of your posts in reguarding Carr and can not honestly recall ever seeing you post somthing positive about the man. So in my opinion, right or wrong, I would view you as a Carr hater. Now I know that you don't acctually hate the man, you wouldn't go off and burn his house down. Just like I dont really love Carr and bring him a dozen roses before each game, but for drama purposes these are the labels that have been asigned.

I don't hate David Carr. I talk about the most important position on the team and I am not sold on him. So, 60 games later I am still waiting for David to prove me wrong. That doesn't amount to hatred. I really don't carry much hate around in my heart. Don't let my sarcastic personality and bluntness fool you. I've sat with some of you guys during football games...I never hate on David. I will pick him apart on a football message board though...thats what these things are for.

 

[Hulk75]

I don't hate David Carr. I talk about the most important position on the team and I am not sold on him. So, 60 games later I am still waiting for David to prove me wrong. That doesn't amount to hatred. I really don't carry much hate around in my heart. Don't let my sarcastic personality and bluntness fool you. I've sat with some of you guys during football games...I never hate on David. I will pick him apart on a football message board though...thats what these things are for.

Dont get upset or nothing put who on this team are we sold on?
Domanick we know what he can do........Dunta maybe he had one good year, when Glenn was oposite of him.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

Your right, everyone has a right to critique anyones game.
But would you agree that some people know more then others about the game of football?

I'm not even going to respond to that question.

...other than to say I think a lot of us THINK we know more than others about football. I include myself in that "a lot of us". If we were all as knowledgeable as we think we are we'd have a job using our mastery of the game for something other than talking about it online.

That being said, I'm having fun killing time chatting back and forth with all you diehard fans.

 

[TexansLucky13]

I really don't carry much hate around in my heart.

If you aren't carrying it in the form of hatred then you are carrying in a more self-deprecating fashion. That's not good.... hate a little. Yes, there are things much worse than an obvious hatred.

Truthfully, we know as much about David Carr as a QB as we do the outcome of next season. Nothing. It's all speculation and tiny observations.

 

[real]

Truthfully, we know as much about David Carr as a QB as we do the outcome of next season. Nothing. It's all speculation and tiny observations.

We know a lil bit more than nothing about Carr....

 

[Vinny]

Dont get upset or nothing put who on this team are we sold on?
Domanick we know what he can do........Dunta maybe he had one good year, when Glenn was oposite of him.

I expect players to live up to their cap hit...that's pretty much what I look at. Carr has always been paid on potential and what he may become. This year is no different as he hasn't really lived up to his cap space over the first four years in my opinion. I hope that one year he is paid on how he plays instead of what he may become one day. Perhaps this is the year. I donno...thats why they play da game though.

 

[real]

I expect players to live up to their cap hit...that's pretty much what I look at. Carr has always been paid on potential and what he may become. This year is no different as he hasn't really lived up to his cap space over the first four years in my opinion. I hope that one year he is paid on how he plays instead of what he may become one day. Perhaps this is the year. I donno...thats why they play da game though.

I feel ya Vinny...

 

[hollywood_texan]

So I guess since Peyton has not won us a superbowl we should get rid of him also. He has all the things you talk about and still cant do squat......
Who holds the Rookie Q.B. sack record?????????It was Peyton Manning. I do not know if Carr has surpassed it but that proves the point that sacks dont mean squat, I guess he could just wing it down field and toss a pick, then watch teams blow you out every week by 40+ points.

As for the question can our line have a bad game and he still shine. Colts vs Steelers...Playoffs last year ring a bell........O line stunk.....Manning stunk and could not carry the team. If the d line does a 3 step drop faster then your Q.B. you may have a problem.

The analysis I read about Indy and Pittsburgh in the playoffs was that Manning and the coaching staff didn't make adjustments.

Indy has been running the same offense for several years and everyone knows Mannings calls the play at the line according to the defensive formation he sees. Pittsburgh studied and figured out their tendacies. Pittsburgh was purposely giving Manning certain looks so he would call certain plays. Basically, Pittsburgh knew the play Indy was running and the Colts didn't change their game plan.

The offensive line cannot overcome that obstacle. If you are going to throw the football you need to do these thing right and in this order.

1. Good play calling
2. Quarterback reads the defense
3. Receivers run correct routes according to the reading of the defense by the quarterback.
4. Offensive line protects quarterback for amount of time required by the play (also meaning the reading of the defense) and/or rush
5. Quarterback throws the football to the correct receiver and on target
6. Receiver catches the ball

The offensive line can only handle #4 and if a defensive coordinator believes an offense isn't getting the other five items done, he is probably going to be able to put pressure on the QB regardless of the protection. The other five items either make the offensive line's job easier or harder.

 

[Hulk75]

I'm not even going to respond to that question.

...other than to say I think a lot of us THINK we know more than others about football. I include myself in that "a lot of us". If we were all as knowledgeable as we think we are we'd have a job using our mastery of the game for something other than talking about it online.

That being said, I'm having fun killing time chatting back and forth with all you diehard fans.

Dont take what I am saying the wrong way, most of us have broke bones and won and lost games, been in film rooms with some great coaches, broken down film and played against some of the best.
I am just saying that people see things different..............Just like Darren Woodson, Giff Nealson and guys like that sees things different then your average die hard Texan fan.

 

[real]

The analysis I read about Indy and Pittsburgh in the playoffs was that Manning and the coaching staff didn't make adjustments.

Indy has been running the same offense for several years and everyone knows Mannings calls the play at the line according to the defensive formation he sees. Pittsburgh studied and figured out their tendacies. Pittsburgh was purposely giving Manning certain looks so he would call certain plays. Basically, Pittsburgh knew the play Indy was running and the Colts didn't change their game plan.

The offensive line cannot overcome that obstacle. If you are going to throw the football you need to do these thing right and in this order.

1. Good play calling
2. Quarterback reads the defense
3. Receivers run correct routes according to the reading of the defense by the quarterback.
4. Offensive line protects quarterback for amount of time required by the play (also meaning the reading of the defense) and/or rush
5. Quarterback throws the football to the correct receiver and on target
6. Receiver catches the ball

The offensive line can only handle #4 and if a defensive coordinator believes an offense isn't getting the other five items done, he is probably going to be able to put pressure on the QB regardless of the protection. The other five items either make the offensive line's job easier or harder.

I think Hike the ball should be number one....J/K

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Jimmy McGinty: You know what seperates the winners from the losers?
Shane Falco: The score.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

Dont take what I am saying the wrong way, most of us have broke bones and won and lost games, been in film rooms with some great coaches, broken down film and played against some of the best.
I am just saying that people see things different..............Just like Darren Woodson, Giff Nealson and guys like that sees things different then your average die hard Texan fan.

I'd be willing to bet that most of the people on this board have never played a down of organized football above the YMCA level. I haven't. I was too small and too slow, but it doesn't take away from my appreciation of the game.

 

[hollywood_texan]

I think Hike the ball should be number one....J/K

Funny but good point, but shouldn't it be inserted at #3?

 

[real]

I'd be willing to bet that most of the people on this board have never played a down of organized football above the YMCA level. I haven't. I was too small and too slow, but it doesn't take away from my appreciation of the game.

I'd be willing to take you up on that bet and say most board members have played some sort of organized ball past YMCA....

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'd be willing to take you up on that bet and say most board members have played some sort of organized ball past YMCA....

I played the Z in a flag football tourney last weekend.

 

[Hulk75]

I expect players to live up to their cap hit...that's pretty much what I look at. Carr has always been paid on potential and what he may become. This year is no different as he hasn't really lived up to his cap space over the first four years in my opinion. I hope that one year he is paid on how he plays instead of what he may become one day. Perhaps this is the year. I donno...thats why they play da game though.

I am mean really what else could he have done, these last couple of years.
What would you ask of him, people can only do so much with what they have around them.
Kubiak or Dom
Palmer Pendry or Kubiak
Sherman or the slap we had here for the line.
Roman or Callohon
Moulds or Bradford
Gaffney or Walters
Wells or Antwain Smith
Billy or Jeb
Victor Rilley or Charles Spencer
Steve McKinney or Mike Flanagan
Carolina Panthers with Dom or The Denver Broncos with Kubiak.....
All I am saying is that Carr has done what he can with the guys and staff he use to have, did we really expect Carr to go the Super Bowl or even the Playoffs with these guy and coaches, or even be consistant in a predictable Offense.
Yes he has a lot of money, he took what THEY offered, he did not hold out or ask for more money when he really could have. Trust me Carr does not play for money he loves what he does and works hard at it, I am guessing that is how he was raised.
He is going to do great things this year, cause he finaly has some talent around him and some depth in front of him and some awsome coaching in his ear. This is a big year for him, I am sure he is ready he has not backed down yet.

 

[edo783]

And if Carr puts up pro-bowl numbers next yr. I'll be happy for the guy str8 up...But In my opinion he will be the product of the system whether its good or bad

Nice way to set it up to dog Carr no matter what. If he doesn't do Pro Bowl numbers then he's a loser, cut em lose. If he does do Pro Bowl numbers...heck that means nothing...just a product of the system. You and Hollywood are just trying to create an atmosphere of excessivly elevated expectations in order to dog him even more than you do now.

 

[cuppacoffee]

"If the d line does a 3 step drop faster then your Q.B. you may have a problem."

Truer words were never spoken.

Maybe all the Carr haters here should ponder this for a minute?.

Nah. Their minds are made up, facts just confuse them..

 

[real]

Nice way to set it up to dog Carr no matter what. If he doesn't do Pro Bowl numbers then he's a loser, cut em lose. If he does do Pro Bowl numbers...heck that means nothing...just a product of the system. You and Hollywood are just trying to create an atmosphere of excessivly elevated expectations in order to dog him even more than you do now.

What do you mean i set him up to be a loser...I wasn't out ther sackin his ASSets.....or givin em up for that matter....DC set himself up...and what i mean by him being a product of the system is that alot of people keep saying what he needs to be successful and they name a million different things...Guess what....it's the freakin NFL...and this is TEXAS...No one is going to baby DC...He has time to prove himself, which I totally think he should have...if he doesn't then he's gone...period...so don't make me out to be someone that wants to see the guy fail...cuz honestly i don't care about the guy, but i want houston to win and...duhhh...that means Carr has to do well....BTW...if DC a.k.a mr product of the system does good, then he deserves his props...I really think that a lot of these so called great QB's aren't that much greater than Carr....A lot of them look better because of whats around them, but at the same time....WHO CARES...he is a texan..and i said it once and i'll say it again...I don't give a flyin pig.... ......what he'd look like behind , in some one elses, playing next to, handing off to, throwing passes to, in someone elses offense...he is a texan and this is where he has to perform...

 

[mexican_texan]

? i thought McNair was the one signing the checks?

We're the ones paying for the team, so he's just giving players money that he made off of us fans, therefore, we have a right to say "us" or "we."

 

[Sarg01]

I don't see where you guys are holding Carr responsible for anything.

So if he turns it around this year, it isn't really Carr, it is Kubiak's coaching.

How can Carr get none of the bad stuff when it hits the fan and get all the good stuff if it works out?

It's like the saying goes, you take the good with the bad.

It's not our job to hold Carr responsible. It's our job to argue the truth as we see it. The truth is that David Carr has been set up to fail - and we have a league record book that says he's been more set up to fail than any QB who's ever played in the NFL. He almost got a chance to break his own record last year. No one is saying he is perfect. However, he did manage to put together something statistically in years 2 and 3 - probably not coincidentally the same years he wasn't in danger of setting the sack record.

You never hear Carr making these "not responsible" statements, incidentally, so all the "a good leader wouldn't make excuses" arguments are DOA as far as I'm concerned. Heck, you rarely hear him bash the O-Line!

 

[SESupergenius]

If it were up to me they would be paid according to the minutes they've been on the field and payed on an even scale. It's a team game. Irvin need Aikman to throw him the ball for a TD and can thank Emmitt for keeping the defense respectful all the while there is no gain without the offensive line and a defense to hold the other team, and even a kick to kick the extra points. So you see it takes a whole team. Is Carr overpaid for his perfomance. Yeppers, but so is the whole team. Get it, THE WHOLE TEAM! You can't just single out one player here.....unless his name is Matt Stevens or Phillip Buchanon. OOOPS did I say that? Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[real]

Look...Just to settle it all...Carr is a good QB...He can win....He has made mistakes....The previous regime also made mistakes....Some feel Carr may never be anything....some feel he's serviceable(me)...and some think he's the greatest thing since.....Fast food....How ever the only FACT is that Carr HAS been givin time to prove himself...he HAS been given a better line...He has gotten a better defense....Heck he's got almost all the things that the Carr apologist have asked for...Now it's time to put up or shut up...This season shall tell the story

 

[DocBar]

Carr makes poor decisions, that is his biggest problem.

His athletic ability is not in question and his mechanics aren't perfect but good enough.

Why would it matter if you have cannon for an arm and deadly accuracy if you can't read a defense and throw it to the right guy? Why would it matter if you are not a leader when you are the quarterback and everyone expects that from you? Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?

Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!

WOW!!! Awful hard on a guy who's been sacked 208 times in 4 years in a system coached by...I'm not sure HOW to describe the former regime. The Seth Wand saga is enough to clue me in that Capers & Co. had precious little
knowledge on the offensive side of the ball. Kubiak thinks Wand is THE prototypical Left Tackle. Capers kept yanking him in and out of the line up and neither Palmer nor Pendry seemed to have a clue as to how teach a young player how to properly play a position. Capers only success as a head coach came with an overpriced group of aging but talented veterans. It also ruined the club for a few years due to salary cap concerns. Let's see how Carr fares in a more favorable atmosphere. I bet ANYONE would make dumb mistakes if harrassed as much as Carr has been.

 

[michaelm]

It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.

It is hard to fathom that we are 750+ million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.

 

[DocBar]

It is hard to fathom that we are 750+ million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.

There seems to be a lot of potential in this line of thinking.

 

[Meloy]

I'd be willing to bet that most of the people on this board have never played a down of organized football above the YMCA level. I haven't. I was too small and too slow, but it doesn't take away from my appreciation of the game.

In my own mind, I was the greatest flag footballer at Highlands Junior High. My "gang" of kids played whatever sport was in season before class began and then during the lunch hour. We were ridiculed as the "high nooners" because we usually skipped lunch. Seldom played basketball cause that meant we had to go indoors! Never quite understood the idea that if you've never done something, you just can't possibly understand it.

 

[kcwilson]

Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?

How can you step up in the pocket when the top, right, and left side of the pocket has collapsed? If one guy gets through you can step up... but when multiple breaks in the protection happen... there is no pocket. You just have to bust a$s out of there, if no one is open.

I agree that once he is outside the tackles, that if he is not going to run up field, then he has to throw it out of bounds. That needs to be corrected.

 

[Vinny]

How can you step up in the pocket when the top, right, and left side of the pocket has collapsed? If one guy gets through you can step up... but when multiple breaks in the protection happen... there is no pocket. You just have to bust a$s out of there, if no one is open.

I agree that once he is outside the tackles, that if he is not going to run up field, then he has to throw it out of bounds. That needs to be corrected.

He has had plenty of pockets to step up into in 5 years. He just hasn't been very good in the pocket to date.

 

[Porky]

He has had plenty of pockets to step up into in 5 years. He just hasn't been very good in the pocket to date.

Come on Vinny, why you always got to dog the guy.

 

[hollywood_texan]

How can you step up in the pocket when the top, right, and left side of the pocket has collapsed? If one guy gets through you can step up... but when multiple breaks in the protection happen... there is no pocket. You just have to bust a$s out of there, if no one is open.

I agree that once he is outside the tackles, that if he is not going to run up field, then he has to throw it out of bounds. That needs to be corrected.

Are you saying he never has had a chance to step up in the pocket? Come on now. He rarely steps up when the opportunity presents itself and that is my point.

Passing the football is a team effort and Carr is going to have to do as much work as the offensive line and receivers to be successful. There are a lot of things that must be done right to complete a pass, and most of those things are not the responsibility of the offensive line. Those items are and in this order:

1. Play calling/scheme
2. Quarterback reads the defense
3. Offensive line provides protection taking into consideration the play and the rush applied
4. Receivers run correct routes.
5. Quarterback throws the ball to the correct receiver
6. Receiver catches the ball

Depending how good 1-2 and 4-6 are done, it makes the offensive line's job easier or harder. If you can't do any of those things correctly, it doesn't matter if you have nothing but all pros on your line, the quarterback is going to get nailed. Which is why the offense was so horrible at protecting the quarterback. The complete offense was horrible from the coaching staff to the players. No one shined, except for maybe Domanick Davis when he was healthy.

Think of this, if Carr doesn't have things to work on, why is he working harder this off season than any other season? And it can't be just learning a new system.

The entire offense has a lot of work to do, top to bottom. Remember this though, the better the coaching/playing calling and quarterback play, the easier it is on the offensive line. The offensive line should never touch the football expect of the center during the snap, so they really have limited responsibility and control.

Besides, if Carr turns into an All Pro next year, he will get all the glory but he doesn't get any of the blame of the first four years. Does that make sense?

 

[Long Baller]

I will call my shot now. Carr will be a pro bowl QB within the next 3 years.

There will always be those that knock Carr, but prior to the abomination of last season I don’t think that number would have been as great as it is today. I think if VY would have come out prior to last year the amount of people calling for the dumping of Carr in favor of VY would have been a lot less. In year 3 he put up real solid numbers and going into last year we all expected great things because of his performance in the 7-9 campaign. Yes he regressed and he does have to prove something this year, but IMO we have no reason not to think he can’t. I remember Mclain on 610 prior to last year talking about a guy that had a system that studied decision making ability of QBs. They made a statement that during year 3 he made the least amount of poor decisions of any starting QB in the NFL. I am not saying that this statement is true and I have no documentation regarding this stat, but what I am saying is with this and the fact that many NFL insiders hold Carr in high regard, I for one really can’t argue against that opinion. I am going to give him a chance and I truly believe we will flourish in the not to distant future. If he doesn't, I will be the first one to step up and eat crow....

 

[Vinny]

I will call my shot now. Carr will be a pro bowl QB within the next 3 years.....

I would hope a 1st overall draft pick makes the Pro Bowl at least once in his first 8 years myself.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I will call my shot now. Carr will be a pro bowl QB within the next 3 years.

There will always be those that knock Carr, but prior to the abomination of last season I don’t think that number would have been as great as it is today. I think if VY would have come out prior to last year the amount of people calling for the dumping of Carr in favor of VY would have been a lot less. In year 3 he put up real solid numbers and going into last year we all expected great things because of his performance in the 7-9 campaign. Yes he regressed and he does have to prove something this year, but IMO we have no reason not to think he can’t. I remember Mclain on 610 prior to last year talking about a guy that had a system that studied decision making ability of QBs. They made a statement that during year 3 he made the least amount of poor decisions of any starting QB in the NFL. I am not saying that this statement is true and I have no documentation regarding this stat, but what I am saying is with this and the fact that many NFL insiders hold Carr in high regard, I for one really can’t argue against that opinion. I am going to give him a chance and I truly believe we will flourish in the not to distant future. If he doesn't, I will be the first one to step up and eat crow....

Sir, please. Get in line as I have been waiting for the crow entree for sometime now. Please stay optimistic for Carr to live up to his contract as that is the best way for this offense to get to where it needs to go. That in itself is what we all want and us who just do not see it from the Fresno Freakazoid are dying for that crow.

 

[Long Baller]

I would hope a 1st overall draft pick makes the Pro Bowl at least once in his first 8 years myself.

I agree, but I think that has a lot to do with him going to an expansion team. I actually think he can make the pro bowl by next year but I did not want to be too much of a homer.

 

[colts18288]

How can you step up in the pocket when the top, right, and left side of the pocket has collapsed? If one guy gets through you can step up... but when multiple breaks in the protection happen... there is no pocket. You just have to bust a$s out of there, if no one is open.

I agree that once he is outside the tackles, that if he is not going to run up field, then he has to throw it out of bounds. That needs to be corrected.

I've been saying this since day 1 around Colts games versus Texans. This poor guy gets no protection. He has about as much protection as a catholic house wife with 13 kids .

When alot of Carr haters around here see a turn around this season, I just hope most come to realize it was your coaching staff. The coaching tenure was the 2nd worst debacle that I have seen in my entire life. (Take some pleasure in knowing that the Colts had the worst IMO). No coach on the team ever took into account of your teams strenghts and weaknesses. If the blitz get to your Q.B. repeatedly, then you put him in shotgun with 1 or even 2 R.B........They serve as pass protect or a quick screen. The screen works simple because other teams entire front line is in your backfield.

No passing game kills the running game. Your new coach knows passing games. Great Q.B. coach, Dave will progress rapidly and suprise alot of people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Kub come from Denver? You got to believe playing there he learn quite a bit about the running game. I mean who knows how better to make a running game go better then Denver? How many diffrent 1000+ runners. Some were good yea, but can you honestly say the line had nothing to do with it.

Kub's gonna turn you guy's around, this year close to .500, next year wild card. You guy's got a coach to be proud of, a team that WAS a result of poor coaching. The right approach is all it takes and it all starts in the office.

A lot of you probably think that it's a bit strange a division rival talking up another team, but I see alot of negative posts on the team. I seen them alot as a Colts fan, many of you older fans remember the early Indy Colts.

Peyton's 1st season everyone saying O we should have picked Ryan Leaf Alot of fans dogging their own team that year, but now most believe him to be the best pocket Q.B. in the game, others will believe if and when he gets his ring.

David will come around, play better, impress some people, suprise alot of people. And then .

My predictions for your team this year are Carr wont put up moster stats, but his int ratio is cut by 1/2, sack ratio cut by 2/3, TDs up by 7, Q.B. rating up by 20 to 25 points.

Running game inmproves also by 300+ yards and and 5 TDS.

You guys hit or barely break .500, but everyone sees light at the end of the tunnel.

Long term 2 years consistent wild card hunt for 3-4 years, then possibly division champs for a few more. I have 2 family members that are BIG Denver Fans, I know there coaching staff really well. I knew your old staff well also simple fact of I need to your a division rival. The coaching upgrade is like saying you traded Peyton Manning for Joey Harrington. Yea that much of an upgrade. You guys are gonna be