Carr : QB's to fear in the future...

[Double Barrel]

Pretty much every player and coach, save a few, sucked on our team last year. Reason #1 we were a pathetic 2-14. EVERYONE on this team has something to prove to us fans, as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, I think we've got a lot of potential with this 2006 team, but there's that word again...the "P" word we keep hearing over and over all these years.

Anyway, my biggest fear with Carr...is if he's shell-shocked or not. Our new coaches admitted something like 20 of his sacks were self-induced last season. My concern is that the constant beating he's taken for the first four years of his pro career have taken their toll. Not necessarily on his physical being, but in his head and how he reacts under pressure. That kind of conditioning makes you wonder if he'll ever trust a line again.

Hopefully so, of course, because I want our QB to achieve great things. But I'm still a little worried until he can prove otherwise.

 

[TK_Gamer]

just my 2 cents on QB's . I honestly believe the system makes the QB the QB doesn't make the system. look at trent green, is he a superstar QB? I don't think so, he cant throw the ball accurately past 15 yards, he also has problems with when to take a sack and when to throw it away. but why is he rated so high? cuz the system he plays in gives him options, targets. gonzales is one sweet target, so was priest holmes out of the backfield. now add in an offensive line that at least had half quality players, enough to pivot your QB off of. so take a guy like carr with his physical abilities and give him a system and a line like the chiefs had, and see what happens.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Hopefully this will be the last year of this inane debate.

If Carr performs well this year, hooray for us. If he doesn't, it's time to cut the losses and go in a different direction.

This is what I think when I see yet another Carr is good no he sucks thread, especially when we haven't even seen him play under a new offense-friendly coach:

 

[mexican_texan]

This is what I think when I see yet another Carr is good no he sucks thread, especially when we haven't even seen him play under a new offense-friendly coach:

I think it would by sympathy, not empathy...I would hope.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

This is what I think when I see yet another Carr is good no he sucks thread, especially when we haven't even seen him play under a new offense-friendly coach:

Must be a Defensive End....

 

[Vinny]

? i thought McNair was the one signing the checks?

I often refer to the team in terms of 'we' and 'us' as well. I don't think that Bob has a problem with that.

 

[LBC_Justin]

Carr makes poor decisions, that is his biggest problem.

His athletic ability is not in question and his mechanics aren't perfect but good enough.

Why would it matter if you have cannon for an arm and deadly accuracy if you can't read a defense and throw it to the right guy? Why would it matter if you are not a leader when you are the quarterback and everyone expects that from you? Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?

Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!

ummm There was an article on espn about a year ago, it mapped Mental Mistakes by QB's and the had Carr as the Third best QB in the NFL at not making mistakes. Wish I could find a link.

 

[Vinny]

ummm There was an article on espn about a year ago, it mapped Mental Mistakes by QB's and the had Carr as the Third best QB in the NFL at not making mistakes. Wish I could find a link.

I read it and I thought it was poorly done and made huge leaps of logic as Carr struggled at the end of 2004 and kept struggling deep into 2005 as further proof how misguided it was. Carr was awful for a good bit of time the last two years right before and after that article. I will say that I've been a big Carr cynic for a while now but I do think that we will see Carr play with more confidence this year as he gets better coaching in a scheme that isn't stuck in the 70's.

 

[LBC_Justin]

? i thought McNair was the one signing the checks?

I have to agree with the Vinny on this one.

I see no problem with people saying "We" or "Us" when refering to a football team.
The fans are the team. Without the fans the NFL is NOTHING. Sadly many fans are much more emotionally invested in a team than many of the players on that team.

In fact every free agency you learn real quickly how many of the players are playing for Ben Franklin and not out of loyalty.(not that I blame them, they got to get theirs while the getting is good.)

 

[LBC_Justin]

I read it and I thought it was poorly done and made huge leaps of logic as Carr struggled at the end of 2004 and kept struggling deep into 2005 as further proof how misguided it was. Carr was awful for a good bit of time the last two years right before and after that article.

I will not argue with you that there certainly were some "leaps in logic" but that is almost always the case when trying to measure something abstract like "Decision Making" skills. But none the less I actually found the article facinating considering the guy looked at every snap from every QB and had a point system and weighted each mistake. Throwing into double or triple coverage, even stupid passes where the reciever saved the QB's butt were counted against the QB, while a perfect pass but the reciever tips a very catchable ball and it is an INT were not counted against the QB. In my opinion it really got beyond the stats down to what was really happening. I am not a huge Carr fan but I think the guy has had some huge hurdles thrown in front of him. Not saying he is going to light it up this year. Although I would LOVE to see that. If I am not mistaken the article had Peyton Manning at #2 and Byron Leftwich at #2.

I have heard on more than one occasion that if you grab a stop watch, and you time how long it takes the pocket to close on David Carr and how long it takes before he is being harassed that it is crazy how he has much less time to decide what to do, compared to the other QB's in this league. (I have still yet to see a single person who doesn't like David Carr argue against this very critical point.) I have DirecTV and watched almost EVERY SINGLE NFL game last season(Texans games twice) thanks to Tivo and NFL Shortcut which condensed each game down to 20-25 minutes. When you watch the games back-to-back you really really see how little time Carr has compared to other QB's. Scary actually. (not as scary as how pathetic our pass rush was last year. LOL)

Kind of reminds me of the game Tetris, everyone is freaking awesome until the blocks start falling really fast. Guys like Peyton Manning and Big Ben live in the world of slow falling blocks, Carr is playing on level 20 with only a moment to decide what the heck to do before he gets smashed.

 

[Vinny]

I have heard on more than one occasion that if you grab a stop watch, and you time how long it takes the pocket to close on David Carr and how long it takes before he is being harassed that it is crazy how he has much less time to decide what to do, compared to the other QB's in this league. (I have still yet to see a single person who doesn't like David Carr argue against this very critical point.) I have DirecTV and watched almost EVERY SINGLE NFL game last season(Texans games twice) thanks to Tivo and NFL Shortcut which condensed each game down to 20-25 minutes. When you watch the games back-to-back you really really see how little time Carr has compared to other QB's. Scary actually. (not as scary as how pathetic our pass rush was last year. LOL)

I really don't see it like that at all and I do have all the games taped and actually watch them in slow motion....back and forth, up and down. Carr had no time at times...but he had plenty of time at other times. You just can't make a blanket statement like you made unless you are throwing out a total Carr-homer pov. Our line often played much better than portrayed.

 

[HOOK'EM]

..............starting the probowl 06'.

 

[mancunian]

Actually, a good system and line will not make Carr make better decisions. In theory, it just provides more opportunity to make the right decision. So if is unable to make the right decisions, all the amount of the opportunity isn't going to matter

I agree it will give more time to make the right decision. If your line aint protecting you and you have to get rid of the ball or get sacked then you will be seen to be making more "bad" decisions.

 

[Buffi2]

From Connor J. Byrne whom I don't think I know, but I like his attitude.....

Still not convinced the 26-year-old Carr will do big things next season? Well, just look at his rare physical tools. The 6-3, 220-pounder has terrific size for the position, great athleticism-as evidenced by his 4.8 career yards per carry average, and most importantly, one of the best arms in the business. When given time, Carr's been outstanding. Think of him as a young baseball pitching prospect that just needs to shore up a few things before greatness. Carr has shored those things up, and he seems primed for a big future.

So far, Carr hasn't made many believers, but in due time, he will. Patience is a virtue, Texans fans. You've been patient for four years. Don't panic, though. Positive results will soon come soaring in.

Link...http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/05/david-carr-texans240506.html

 

[TexanFan881]

So far, Carr hasn't made many believers, but in due time, he will. Patience is a virtue, Texans fans. You've been patient for four years. Don't panic, though. Positive results will soon come soaring in.

Wow, hopefully he's right. It would be about time. Eric Moulds and AJ should catch a lot of passes this year.

 

[Cjeremy635]

I really don't see it like that at all and I do have all the games taped and actually watch them in slow motion....back and forth, up and down. Carr had no time at times...but he had plenty of time at other times. You just can't make a blanket statement like you made unless you are throwing out a total Carr-homer pov. Our line often played much better than portrayed.

Well Vinny, there's the problem. It looks like he has more time because it's in SLOW MOTION...come on man, I expected way more from a moderator.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

? i thought McNair was the one signing the checks?

69,000 fans with x number of sponsors multiplied by 10 home games equals a revenue stream that can be used for operating expenses. Yes I am an investor and a fan, therefore we is appropriate in my opinion.

 

[BigBull17]

That isn't even close to accurate.

Big Ben (2005) is a top half 1st round draft pick--not as much as Carr but highly paid and due soon for a big renegotiation.
Tom Brady (he of three rings--2004, 2003, 2001) is a top paid QB.
Kurt Warner (1999) was well paid when he won.
John Elway (1998, 1997)--top paid guy.
Brett Favre (1996)--top paid guy.
Troy Aikman (1995)--top paid guy.
Steve Young (1994)--top paid guy.

Seems to me Dilfer and Johnson are contrary to the great weight of the evidence.

Warner came in to that season as a third string QB and was paid accordingly. Remember thats what made him the story of the year.

 

[infantrycak]

Warner came in to that season as a third string QB and was paid accordingly. Remember thats what made him the story of the year.

The point isn't the timing of when they get paid, it is whether you win SB's with QB's capable of commanding top tier money or not. In general the answer is you do not win SB's without a QB who can command top tier money. The only 2 QB's who have won a SB in the last 12 years and not made top money at some point are Dilfer and Brad Johnson. Both their teams looked very quickly to replace them despite SB victories. Carr definitely needs to provide value to his contract (as does every player as edo points out), but the idea that teams do not need to spend money at QB is specious.

 

[Double Barrel]

? i thought McNair was the one signing the checks?

Yes, Bob signs the checks to the players, but WE sign our checks to Bob.

 

[SESupergenius]

I just keep looking back at the game where Carr was given total control of the offense in the 1st offense and we score 20, then Pendry takes over and we gain squat. This and other intangibles make me believe that the offense around Carr was terrible, and as such it is being revamped. Steve Young was in a horrible offense with the Bucs, same with Plummer when was with the Cardinals. Once these QB's got into good West Coast offenses then did well. Carr coming from Fresno State, which if I recollect correctly was a West Coast offense, seems to be a better fit there than than in Palmers/Pendry's systems. It's a wait and see thing, but to say that we still don't know what we have in Carr is analogous to Tampa Bay not knowing what Young could do with an good offense. Some QB's just need the right system, and it looks like Kubiaks is one of the better ones.

 

[real]

](I have still yet to see a single person who doesn't like David Carr argue against this very critical point.)[/B] I have DirecTV and watched almost EVERY SINGLE NFL game last season...you watch the games back-to-back you really really see how little time Carr has compared to other QB's. ... Guys like Peyton Manning and Big Ben live in the world of slow falling blocks, Carr is playing on level 20 with only a moment to decide what the heck to do before he gets smashed.

It is very true that Carr has played behind a bad oline....Everyone knows that....But if you have not heard anyone argue against the fact that he has limited time to throw I'll be the first....

1) Carr causes some of his own sacks...In fact he probably caused more than the average QB just because he had no faith in his o-line
2) I have rarely seen Carr stand in the face of pressure and deliver a good ball, while getting hit or chased down, or while someone has a hand on him most of the time it's a sack or incomplete pass
3) Carr has a minimum of 5 guys blocking for him at a time...its not like hes out there by himself...and it's not like other QB's are out there with soooo much more time..Carr doesn't have ample time but c'mon...2-12....He had a part in that...

I'm not a David Carr hater by any means...he just hasn't impressed me with his play. I don't look at him and say "Man if he only had a good line, Look out!!" No...I say "well lets give him a good line and see what he can do"....I hope David can prove himself this yr. because if he does poorly again there will be a lot of people calling for his head

 

[Chance_C]

I've always liked David Carr. I generally tend to give people a little more time before I throw them under the bus. However much I like David Carr really doesn't matter anymore. It's time to put up or shut up, and I want him to put up really bad. He's a good guy and I want to see him be successful, but if he does not improve this year, I don't think he will. Here is his best oppurtunity he has had to be successful. I don't think anyone can argue that. From his standpoint, I would imagine that he is ready to go big time. I bet he's genuinely excited to have Kubiak and his system here. I bet he's genuinely excited for the revamped (hopefully) offensive line, and the new weapons he has in Putzier and Moulds. I think his confidence will really take off if he has time and is successful (even minimally) early in the year. Good luck David, I like to see good people succeed.

 

[real]

It's a wait and see thing, but to say that we still don't know what we have in Carr is analogous to Tampa Bay not knowing what Young could do with an good offense. Some QB's just need the right system, and it looks like Kubiaks is one of the better ones.

Not analogous...but it may be synonomous...IMO, Carr is not Steve Young...He is David Carr...I like everyone's optimism about him though...

 

[nunusguy]

I feel much better about Carr's prospects under Kubiak though. It's true he can make every throw and he is a physical prototype, but that was never in question with DC. Hopefully with good coaching he can turn the corner.

Coming from one of Carr's harsher critics in these parts, that's a very fair and
even-handed appraisal of the Texans QB. And its hopeful.

 

[LBC_Justin]

I really don't see it like that at all and I do have all the games taped and actually watch them in slow motion....back and forth, up and down. Carr had no time at times...but he had plenty of time at other times. You just can't make a blanket statement like you made unless you are throwing out a total Carr-homer pov. Our line often played much better than portrayed.

I wasn't making a blanket statment.

On average Carr has far less time to throw than other QBs in the NFL. It is a fact.
Don't believe me. Grab your VCR and a stop watch.

Your right there are times when he does have time to throw and he doesn't make the play. But he is typically under so much pressure that it would be very hard for any QB to get into a groove in his situation.

I am no Carr homer. (Don't let the California address fool you, I have zero emotional stake in this guy. I am a Longhorn.)

 

[LBC_Justin]

It is very true that Carr has played behind a bad oline....Everyone knows that....But if you have not heard anyone argue against the fact that he has limited time to throw I'll be the first....

1) Carr causes some of his own sacks...In fact he probably caused more than the average QB just because he had no faith in his o-line
2) I have rarely seen Carr stand in the face of pressure and deliver a good ball, while getting hit or chased down, or while someone has a hand on him most of the time it's a sack or incomplete pass
3) Carr has a minimum of 5 guys blocking for him at a time...its not like hes out there by himself...and it's not like other QB's are out there with soooo much more time..Carr doesn't have ample time but c'mon...2-12....He had a part in that...

I'm not a David Carr hater by any means...he just hasn't impressed me with his play. I don't look at him and say "Man if he only had a good line, Look out!!" No...I say "well lets give him a good line and see what he can do"....I hope David can prove himself this yr. because if he does poorly again there will be a lot of people calling for his head

1) I totally agree Carr does cause some of his sacks. I have seen on several occasions him run out of bounds for the sack rather than throw it away. Personally I don't really care about that. Running out of bounds for a 1/2 yard loss instead of throwing the ball away doesn't change a game. The problem I have is that Carr is under constant pressure, even when he isn't being sacked ,he is being totally harassed. His protection is just so inconsistent.

As of right now David Carr has done nothing to impress me. He has been average and he has happy feet in the pocket and his "pocket presence" is bordering on sad. I am just frustrated that the previous coaching staff didn't put him in a situation in which we could fairly evaluate how good the guy even is. If Carr isn't the man, I would like him yanked ASAP and replace with a guy who might be the man.
As of right now, I am going to sit back. Grab my lucky rabbits foot and pray that all the coaches that praise Carr are right.

oh yeah one more thing...
GO TEXANS!!!!

 

[Double Barrel]

Our line often played much better than portrayed.

I agree with this, and I spent much of last season's home games specifically watching the o-line. There were many times that he had protection but failed to capitalize on it. Perhaps it's a trust issue, or a "gettin' in a groove" thing, or just skills...who knows, but I agree that the o-line has taken the brunt of our offense's poor performance last year, right or wrong.

I just keep looking back at the game where Carr was given total control of the offense in the 1st offense and we score 20, then Pendry takes over and we gain squat.

Exactly...but, what makes me wonder, though, is that if his o-line was so bad, why did he have such a good first half in this game? Obviously there were fundamental issues at play here, and the coaching just plain sucked. But if the line was good enough for Carr to have a good performance here, why not other times?

It's like there are so many things wrong with the 2005 Texans that you don't even know where to start the list. With that being said, wholesale changes have taken place, and we have a right to expect the light to be lit under all their butts. It's time to shape up or ship out, and if Carr looks the same this year as he has in the past, I think we'll need to be honest about things around here.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

1) I totally agree Carr does cause some of his sacks. I have seen on several occasions him run out of bounds for the sack rather than throw it away. Personally I don't really care about that. Running out of bounds for a 1/2 yard loss instead of throwing the ball away doesn't change a game. The problem I have is that Carr is under constant pressure, even when he isn't being sacked ,he is being totally harassed. His protection is just so inconsistent.

As of right now David Carr has done nothing to impress me. He has been average and he has happy feet in the pocket and his "pocket presence" is bordering on sad. I am just frustrated that the previous coaching staff didn't put him in a situation in which we could fairly evaluate how good the guy even is. If Carr isn't the man, I would like him yanked ASAP and replace with a guy who might be the man.
As of right now, I am going to sit back. Grab my lucky rabbits foot and pray that all the coaches that praise Carr are right.

oh yeah one more thing...
GO TEXANS!!!!

I would say just sit back and watch. This is a great mistery, and yes, I have been a Carr defender. Vinny and I have disagreed on many an occassion, but we respect each other. What encourages me more than some is that everything so far from Kubiak is that he likes David a lot. Kubiak is a film buff and I would bet he has watched every game Carr has played, knows what the previous staff was doing, and how that impacted Carr.

Carr has always been a willing student, but he had no one on the previous staff that had a glimmer of what an offense is and how it should be run. In addition they tied the hands of the offensive coordinator and destroyed the O-line.

I also believe that Kubiak sees a lot of Elway in Carr, not necessarily to the same degree, but their are a lot of similarities. Carr can run the ball like Elway, but he's not as cunning and shifty. Carr is bright, but I wouldn't say as bright as Elway. Carr has a very good arm, but perhapes not quite as strong as Elway. It took Elway a long time to develop and learn to put touch on the ball. Receivers had a problem catching the ball from Elway just like Carr. Carr is tall and strong like Elway. Carr has taken a lot of sacks and kept on ticking.

Kubiak has played QB, played with great QB's and coached great QB's. Therefore when he says Carr can be a winner I tend to believe him. I think Kubiak feels Carr is much more than an average talent. There have been a few glimmers here or there, but those glimmers have been when the previous coaching staff took their hands off the game. Just as Kubiak saw something in the tapes to make him take Mario, I too believe he saw something in the tapes to make him think Carr will be just fine. Remember, he studied film of Carr long before he ever became the head coach.

 

[Runner]

Our line often played much better than portrayed.

Even moreso in 2004. "Back then" the majority of fans blamed everything on the line and it wasn't until last year that Carr and the RBs started getting their fair share of attention as being part of the problem.

 

[TEXANRED]

It amazes me. Truely. Every time someone in the media says somthing positive about Carr, instead of rejoicing and adding somthing constructive to the conversation, what takes place instead is bashing and negativity by the exact same people. Hey, we know, we get it, you dont like Carr. Thats O.K. But it is not necessary to jump onto every "Positive Carr post" and tinckle all over it. Just like I dont jump on every anti-Carr post and spray my own brand of sunshine.

And before someone says it, and I know your gonna, I know this is a message board where people come to express there opinions and views. So there, I just expressed my own oppinion and view on the, if not Carr hater, Carr dislikers.

But that is just how I feel about it.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

I don't have a shred of evidence to back it up, but.....

And I have seen every game (most of the home games in person).....

One of my impressions of the offense is that it has never been able to consistently give Carr time and/or an open target in obvious passing situations. I believe that is why you saw Capers and Pendry running so many delayed screens on 3rd and long. The quick pass to Johnson behind the line of scrimmage worked well for about 5 games. Then the other teams started doubling him at the line.

The bottom line (no pun intended) is that I don't think any of the components of this offense have been consistently good enough for anyone to make a fair evaluation of Carr's ability to play quarterback in this league. No one can sway me to think otherwise. I have based my opinion on all of the available evidence.

I can tell you that when DD was healthy, and there was a consistent second option to Johnson, that Carr looked superb. With Moulds in the fold, better coaching, and comparable back-up options to DD, this offense should look at least above average.

You all have to remember the first half of that 2004 season. Carr, DD, and Andre were lighting people up. Then the injury bug hit and we were exposed for what we were - a decent team with absolutely no depth.

The best thing about this coming season is that I will no longer have to watch Carr hit Bradford or Gaffney in the chest on a dead run and watch one of them drop the ball.

Oh, by the way, go Texans and go Astros!!!

:astros:

 

[jerek]

Our line often played much better than portrayed.

Yes and no. First, remember that I, like many of you, believe that Carr "has the tools" but has lacked the coaching and supporting cast to get the job done. IMO, he now has both, so it is indeed a put-up-or-get-out year for David Carr. And yes, he has made his own mistakes, so please do not think that I seek to absolve him of any responsibility.

That said, it is not a question of Carr "never having time" but rather, in many cases (and I don't have the numbers, so FWIW), our offensive drive would sputter at some point down the field and we'd get caught in a 3rd and 8, something like that, and the linebacker blitz would walk untouched through the line to put Carr on his ass before he had finished his drop step. Or ... we'd be moving the ball fairly successfully in typical Pendry nickel-and-dime fashion, and say, on 2nd and 4 ... same deal ... Carr gets hit before he can look up for a huge loss, and now we're in 3rd and forever and the drive stalls. Yes, there were many plays in which Carr did indeed have time to make the throw (whether or not the WRs were open was a different story) and yes there were some plays in which our wideouts were indeed open and Carr didn't find them. But there were many more plays in which the drive was stalled on a key misstep by the OL and that is what contributed to our lack of offensive production.

Every OL breaks down on occasion and no blocking unit can or does prevent every rush. I don't believe Carr should require 5.6 seconds per play to find the open WR and yes, I will happily ascribe his obvious mistakes and deficiencies to the man himself and tell him to work on it. I could even agree that our line was unnecessarily villianized at points ... but to pretend that they were anything less than awful and one of the worst units in the league is revisionist, IMO. Now ... as far as the why of it? It was a combination of bad personnel (Victor Riley) and moreso the idiotic, predictable playcalling (not hard to defend us when the crowd can call out the play before the ball's snapped). In either event, I expect that Kubiak and Sherman can have much more success with much the same personnel.

 

[Double Barrel]

It amazes me. Truely. Every time someone in the media says somthing positive about Carr, instead of rejoicing and adding somthing constructive to the conversation, what takes place instead is bashing and negativity by the exact same people. Hey, we know, we get it, you dont like Carr. Thats O.K. But it is not necessary to jump onto every "Positive Carr post" and tinckle all over it. Just like I dont jump on every anti-Carr post and spray my own brand of sunshine.

And before someone says it, and I know your gonna, I know this is a message board where people come to express there opinions and views. So there, I just expressed my own oppinion and view on the, if not Carr hater, Carr dislikers.

So you're a Carr-hater hater?

In fairness, some positive spins do get a little carried away. For instance, the title of this thread - "Carr : QB's to fear in the future..." - while shiny optimistic, it seems a tad bit unrealistic based upon what we have seen the past four seasons.

Now, if the premise had been "Carr : QB's to rise in the future..." (or something along those lines), I'd say it's a bit more realistic. But seriously, nobody in the NFL fears Carr right now...not to say that they won't someday...but no, not in the near future.

I also believe that Kubiak sees a lot of Elway in Carr, not necessarily to the same degree, but their are a lot of similarities. Carr can run the ball like Elway, but he's not as cunning and shifty. Carr is bright, but I wouldn't say as bright as Elway. Carr has a very good arm, but perhapes not quite as strong as Elway. It took Elway a long time to develop and learn to put touch on the ball. Receivers had a problem catching the ball from Elway just like Carr. Carr is tall and strong like Elway. Carr has taken a lot of sacks and kept on ticking.

I hope Coach Kubiak is right, Ibar, I really do. Even an Elway-lite is cool, and if Carr could have half the career that JE had, then I'd be happy.

With "In Kubiak We Trust" as our motto, we just have to drink the koolaide right now. Not to say we put on blinders or anything, but we have to believe in our new coach and what he decides is right for the team if we plan on having any optimistic momentum going into this season.

 

[aj.]

Carr at a Crossroads would be the title if I was writing a truly objective piece.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

Carr at a Crossroads would be the title if I was writing a truly objective piece.

Hopefully Carr has "had a moment of clarity".

I quoted a Samuel L. Jackson line out of Pulp Fiction for that.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Wow........
Your right he sucks.

I don't think he sucks, he just makes poor decisions. He has the athletic tools but seems to lack the intangibles.

 

[Hulk75]

I don't think he sucks, he just makes poor decisions. He has the athletic tools but seems to lack the intangibles.

Yea he makes bad decisions, your absolutly right, I guess making bad decicions in that Offense is normal considering how bad the scheme and offense and lack of playmakers around him actually was.

 

[SESupergenius]

Not analogous...but it may be synonomous...IMO, Carr is not Steve Young...He is David Carr...I like everyone's optimism about him though...

It is very analogous. The analogy is that fans wanted to give up on Young and he wasn't good until he went to a newer system. The same thing is happening here, it's just that Carr is getting a new system and he doesn't have to go to another team to get that.

 

[TexanFan881]

I don't think he sucks, he just makes poor decisions. He has the athletic tools but seems to lack the intangibles.

When you have barely any time in the pocket it is hard to make a good decision...just let his stats and our win column number this upcoming year to do the talking.

 

[hollywood_texan]

I don't know. In life, Carr seems to be pretty successful. Money, family, great job. Looks pretty good from here.

In the game of football, who has succeeded with less than what David Carr has had to work with? Really, I'd like to know.

The answer to your question is really a subjective arguement. My point is really that making excuses for why you are not successful is not a productive measure. Carr hasn't made these excuses publicly and I hope really doesn't believe them.

You either get it done or you don't. If you lose, you lost and there are no excuses. You can come with reasons why, but you have to take responsibility and fix what you have control over. The people that believe Carr will be the greatest quarterback will not admit that he has played marginal his first four years, they just respond with for reasons why.

Here is one though, Earl Campbell.

Also, Joey Harrington has similar stats and was in a similar situation and has been traded by the Lions.

 

[colts18288]

Carr makes poor decisions, that is his biggest problem.

His athletic ability is not in question and his mechanics aren't perfect but good enough.

Why would it matter if you have cannon for an arm and deadly accuracy if you can't read a defense and throw it to the right guy? Why would it matter if you are not a leader when you are the quarterback and everyone expects that from you? Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?

Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!

Your so wrong on this comment you have no idea. Carr never goes a game without being mauled by the defense. If you take Carr and put him in behind Indy's offensive line, this guy puts up some serious numbers. Texans, you have a very good, and could seriously be a top 5 Q.B. IF he gets protection. He cant throw sitting on his rear, or looking out the earhole of his helm cause he gets smaked around to much. I hate to see it with him, because I fear he may lose his confidence after getting beaten around, then again I really dont want him to florish in my division.

How is he supposed to step up in a pocket that is not there, read a defense when all he sees is a linemans jersey. So IMO its physical not mental, that poor Q.B. is is physically getting his brains kicked in.

New coach is gonna help you guys more then most belive, my suprise pick team this year is the Texans. you all come so close to the playoffs, but fall short........that happens next year. wild card.

 

[hollywood_texan]

When you have barely any time in the pocket it is hard to make a good decision...just let his stats and our win column number this upcoming year to do the talking.

I don't see where you guys are holding Carr responsible for anything.

So if he turns it around this year, it isn't really Carr, it is Kubiak's coaching.

How can Carr get none of the bad stuff when it hits the fan and get all the good stuff if it works out?

It's like the saying goes, you take the good with the bad.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Your so wrong on this comment you have no idea. Carr never goes a game without being mauled by the defense. If you take Carr and put him in behind Indy's offensive line, this guy puts up some serious numbers. Texans, you have a very good, and could seriously be a top 5 Q.B. IF he gets protection. He cant throw sitting on his rear, or looking out the earhole of his helm cause he gets smaked around to much. I hate to see it with him, because I fear he may lose his confidence after getting beaten around, then again I really dont want him to florish in my division.

How is he supposed to step up in a pocket that is not there, read a defense when all he sees is a linemans jersey. So IMO its physical not mental, that poor Q.B. is is physically getting his brains kicked in.

New coach is gonna help you guys more then most belive, my suprise pick team this year is the Texans. you all come so close to the playoffs, but fall short........that happens next year. wild card.

How about a trade straight up for David Carr for Payton Manning.

If Carr is as good as you say, why should we have to wait two years to get a Wild Card? I believe Payton took the Colts to the Playoffs his first year.

As for Carr's sacks, a good portion of them were his own doing. Sprinting out of the pocket, running out of bounds behind the line scrimmage, and not throwing the ball away. When they played Pittsburgh, Joey Porter said that he thought Carr was running when he didn't have to and he was yelling at his offense line. Porter said you know you got it going when the QB yells at his offensive line. If the defesnse doesn't think the scheme, quarterback, and receivers can get a completed pass, the offensive line isn't going to be able to protect the QB. The main problem last year was two fold, coaching and Carr.

 

[Bamaborn-Texasbred]

Your so wrong on this comment you have no idea. Carr never goes a game without being mauled by the defense. If you take Carr and put him in behind Indy's offensive line, this guy puts up some serious numbers. Texans, you have a very good, and could seriously be a top 5 Q.B. IF he gets protection. He cant throw sitting on his rear, or looking out the earhole of his helm cause he gets smaked around to much. I hate to see it with him, because I fear he may lose his confidence after getting beaten around, then again I really dont want him to florish in my division.

How is he supposed to step up in a pocket that is not there, read a defense when all he sees is a linemans jersey. So IMO its physical not mental, that poor Q.B. is is physically getting his brains kicked in.

New coach is gonna help you guys more then most belive, my suprise pick team this year is the Texans. you all come so close to the playoffs, but fall short........that happens next year. wild card.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Speaking of Indy's line - is the entire o-line returning?

 

[hollywood_texan]

When you have barely any time in the pocket it is hard to make a good decision...just let his stats and our win column number this upcoming year to do the talking.

We shall see.

 

[infantrycak]

I believe Payton took the Colts to the Playoffs his first year.

Not unless 3-13 got you in the playoffs that year.

 

[hollywood_texan]

Not unless 3-13 got you in the playoffs that year.

The next year they went 13-3.

So his second year he went to the playoffs.

Peyton's been to the playoffs I think every year but 2 since 1998.

 

[colts18288]

How about a trade straight up for David Carr for Payton Manning.

If Carr is as good as you say, why should we have to wait two years to get a Wild Card? I believe Payton took the Colts to the Playoffs his first year.

You believe wrong, he went 3-13 his first year, and he had Faulk and Marvin and the O line. What does Carr have? No protection, Nice W.R. but he is no Marvin and then R.B. Davis is a good but not a top 10 back. I never said that he would put up Peyton numbers, only real good numbers.

I remember after our first year, everyone around here was ready to throw Peyton to the wolves, saying we should have picked Ryan Leaf over Peyton. I was 1 of the few who believed given the protection and time under the right coaches and could be a pretty decent Q.B. never figured he would be this good , Secondly you would have to wait 2 years for a wildcard now because you now have a legit coaching staff that realizes what game plan means, he needs to get used to there style, alot of the times when we play it looks like no one really accounted for a game plan for your team.

From the year the Colts arrived here in Indy in 1984 to the time we got Peyton we were the laughing stock of the NFL, no one would admit in public they were a fan, I remember 1 year winning only 1 game. I remember 10 years of losing seasons, years that we stunk so bad a high school team could have beat us.

I dont think even Peyton could put up good numbers last year on your team, I may be wrong but even he could only take so much of a beating.......

 

[Hulk75]

You believe wrong, he went 3-13 his first year, and he had Faulk and Marvin and the O line. What does Carr have? No protection, Nice W.R. but he is no Marvin and then R.B. Davis is a good but not a top 10 back. I never said that he would put up Peyton numbers, only real good numbers.

I remember after our first year, everyone around here was ready to throw Peyton to the wolves, saying we should have picked Ryan Leaf over Peyton. I was 1 of the few who believed given the protection and time under the right coaches and could be a pretty decent Q.B. never figured he would be this good , Secondly you would have to wait 2 years for a wildcard now because you now have a legit coaching staff that realizes what game plan means, he needs to get used to there style, alot of the times when we play it looks like no one really accounted for a game plan for your team.
From the year the Colts arrived here in Indy in 1984 to the time we got Peyton we were the laughing stock of the NFL, no one would admit in public they were a fan, I remember 1 year winning only 1 game. I remember 10 years of losing seasons, years that we stunk so bad a high school team could have beat us.

I dont think even Peyton could put up good numbers last year on your team, I may be wrong but even he could only take so much of a beating.......

Very True and those are FACTS NOT EXCUSES! am I right Colt or not.
We got the same thing going here.
And Peyton was not on an expantion team, that started from scratch.