Carr Pounded

[texan_fan]

Ok I'm working on some ideas for my signature ....


here's a few ....


1) Tag, you're it
2) LOOOOOOOOKOUTTTTT
3) Ok, who had 4 in the sack pool???
4) Why is David always in a bad mood????
5) I thought you had the linebacker

You forgot the most obvious one: *ring my bell*

 

[BigBull17]

I agree that Bradford sucks and should be on a Greyhound out of town, but Gaffney got hit by that ball because he was just as surprised as everyone else watching the game that Carr threw to someone other than AJ.

But you cant throw to people who arent gonna pay attention, can you? That was a big play he blew, it would have been a first down at a critical time and to not even turn your head toward the QB is unacceptable. Im not saying we should fire the guy but just because Carr doesnt throw to him alot doesnt mean he has an excuse when its thrown his way and that happens.

 

[infantrycak]

But you cant throw to people who arent gonna pay attention, can you?

You have no idea whose fault that was. WR's do not run down the field looking back the whole time. They run a route and are supposed to look back at a certain point. Obviously there was miscommunication on that play, but it may very well be Carr sent the ball off before Gaffney was supposed to look. Not saying it is Carr's fault, but you can't just assume it is either one's fault.

 

[BigBull17]

But also when your playing against a team that has put pressure on you all day and you break open over the middle you have to look to your QB once. Thats what WR in the NFL do find soft spots and let the QB find you. As I said I dont htink he should be fired, nor do I blame it soley on him, but you have to pay attention in a football game. Somtimes your QB needs to throw it a little early and you have to find it. Thats what you have to do.

 

[FILO_girl]

I want to know why we didn't do anything to improve our offensive line??????

The question many of us have been asking since 4/23. :brickwall

The gellin' line spin on this is not working anymore. Need a new angle to try to feed to us fans. I suggest fixing the problem instead of asking someone in Marketing to come in and put a new name and smoke screen on it.

But I am just one fan, what do I know.

 

[Vambo, the Marble Eye]

IF I was Pittsburg's defensive coordinator, I would have 3 notes on a clipboard;

a) defense off tackle play Texans will run on almost every first down (99% of the time)

b) prepare for screen or draw plays on second and long (50% of the time)

c) hammer Carr on third down and long (80% of the time)


TRANSLATION: I am pissed that the tight end position got more yardage than our wide outs.... I think Rivers and Bruener both caught one a piece. Last time I thought about it...wouldn't passing plays to the tight end keep a nickle package spread out (hurts an AJ double team) and a defensive ends from flying in on the blitz?

I guess I am saying that we should throw it to the tight end on seam patterns and quick outs into the flat... then rinse and repeat.

And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

 

[Double Barrel]

And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it.

 

[Vambo, the Marble Eye]

From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it.

I thought it was ONLY after they were behind in the 2nd half... again predictable. And yes, you are right...they didn't suceed with that brilliant strategy either.

 

[Corrosion]

And for God's sake, TRY passing ON FIRST DOWN.!!! Defensive O LB's expect our tight end to block when 99.9999 % of the time we run off tackle on first down. Even the retarded can figure out this sort of predictable offensive play calling.

This should throw a wrench in your play calling theory ....

I've seen the issue of "why the Texans didn't throw on first down" brought up in a few different threads. The numbers don't lie--that's just not true. It's hard to believe because the results of those first-down pass attempts were (with only one exception) totally forgettable, BUT...

Here's a refresher from the game's stats:
(NOTE: Sacks are credited as attempts to pass)

FIRST HALF
1) The first offensive play from scrimmage was a dump pass to DD. Series was 3-and-out.
2) Next drive's first play was a 3 yard run to the left by DD. Pick ended the drive before any more first downs.
3) Next drive was 1 play: the DD fumble.
4) Then the touchdown drive. 4 total first downs (3 incomplete passes, 1 complete pass to Wells)
5) On the 1-play drive to end the half, DD ran up the middle on the only down.

SECOND HALF
1) Opening drive had 3 first downs (19yd pass to Bruener, a DD run, and a sack).
2) Next drive was split (a DD run and a sack).
3) Third drive was split (a DD run and an INT)
4) Final drive of 3rd Quarter had 1 first down: a 0-yard DD run.
5) Texans' first drive of 4th Quarter featured 2 first down plays: a DD run and a sack/fumble.
6) 3-and-out drive followed, with an incomplete pass on 1st down.
7) Final drive had a Carr scramble and an incomplete pass on 1st downs. Drive ended by INT on the ensuing 2nd down.

First half first-down plays: 5 passes/3 runs
Second half first-down plays: 7 passes/6 runs*
OVERALL ON 1ST DOWN: 12 passes/9 runs*

* I counted the scramble as a run, which is obviously debatable, but it doesn't affect the run-more-than-pass debate.

Its not the run / pass theory ..... The players DONT fit the system , Its as simple as that . This is NOT a run between the tackles team , the skill position players are MUCH more effective IN SPACE :brickwall

IM begining to think ITS NOT Palmers fualt but more of the blame should fall on Capers ..... He wants a POWER RUNNING GAME and DOESNT have the personel to do that .

 

[Double Barrel]

I thought it was ONLY after they were behind in the 2nd half... again predictable. And yes, you are right...they didn't suceed with that brilliant strategy either.

Information from an insightful analysis by Vinny (all of our first downs listed here):

First series:1-10-HOU30(9:19) D.Carr pass to D.Davis to HST 32 for 2 yards (J.Posey). Dump pass right, caught at HST 31.

Second series: 1-10-HOU19(1:38) D.Davis left tackle to HST 22 for 3 yards

Third series: (13:51) D.Davis up the middle to HST 27 for no gain

Fourth series: 1-10-HOU25(11:01) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson

1-10-HOU44(10:08) D.Carr pass incomplete to C.Bradford

1-10-BUF20(9:09) A.Johnson right tackle to BUF 18 for 2 yards

1-2-BUF2(7:26) PENALTY on HST-D.Carr, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 2 - No Play.1-7-BUF7(7:16) D.Carr pass incomplete to D.Davis.

5th series: halftime

6th series: 1-10-HOU29(14:54) D.Carr pass to M.Bruener to HST 48 for 19 yards

1-10-BUF38(12:55) D.Carr sacked at BUF 48 for -10 yards

7th series: 1-10-HOU44(9:47) D.Davis up the middle to HST 49 for 5 yards

1-10-BUF44(8:28) D.Carr sacked at HST 47 for -9 yards

8th series: 1-10-HOU41(4:22) D.Davis left guard to HST 44 for 3 yards

1-10-BUF45(2:58) D.Carr pass intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by T.Vincent at BUF -1

9th series: 1-10-HOU20(:43) D.Davis left guard to HST 20 for no gain

10th series: 1-10-HOU20(10:41) D.Davis left tackle pushed ob at HST 27 for 7 yards

1-10-HOU31(9:43) D.Carr sacked at HST 23 for -8 yards

11th series: 1-10-HOU26(7:06) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete to J.Gaffney

12th series: 1-10-HOU12(1:53) D.Carr right end ran ob at HST 15 for 3 yards. Trips shotgun. Obvious passing situation. Carr scrambles right and runs out of bounds.

1-10-HOU25(1:33) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson

 

[beerlover]

From what I understand, they did pass more than run on first down last Sunday.

They just weren't successful at it.

lets look at the facts surprise, surprise, surprise looks very even to me so the playcalling was at least balanced equally between the run & pass on 1st down. the key point to me was that only one time in the game did the Texans make a 1st down on 1st down (19 yd pass to Bruener) three times it was turned over (two fumbled, one INT) two penaltys and two sacks all commited on 1st down, which tells me the defense had a very long day indeed

1st-10, HOU30 9:24 D. Carr passed to D. Davis to the right for 2 yard gain

1st-10, HOU19 1:43 D. Davis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

1st-10, HOU27 13:57 D. Davis rushed up the middle for no gain. D. Davis fumbled. L. Fletcher recovered fumble

1st-10, HOU25 11:07 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU44 10:51 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, BUF20 9:33 A. Johnson rushed to the right for 2 yard gain. BUF committed 5 yard penalty

1st-10, BUF13 8:52 D. Carr passed to J. Wells to the right for 7 yard gain

1st-2, BUF2 8:10 HOU committed 5 yard penalty

1st-7, BUF7 7:16 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU17 0:29 D. Davis rushed to the left for 6 yard gain

1st-10, HOU29 15:00 D. Carr passed to M. Bruener to the right for 19 yard gain

1st-10, HOU48 14:54 D. Davis rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain

1st-10, BUF38 13:34 D. Carr sacked by A. Schobel

1st-10, HOU44 9:47 D. Davis rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain

1st-10, HOU41 4:22 D. Davis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

1st-10, BUF45 3:39 T. Vincent intercepted D. Carr for 22 yards

1st-10, HOU20 0:43 D. Davis rushed to the left for no gain

1st-10, HOU20 10:41 D. Davis rushed to the left for 7 yard gain

1st-10, HOU31 10:19 D. Carr sacked by T. Spikes. D. Carr fumbled. L. Milloy recovered fumble

1st-10, HOU26 7:11 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

1st-10, HOU12 1:53 D. Carr rushed to the right for 3 yard gain

1st-10, HOU25 1:40 D. Carr incomplete pass to the right

 

[TexanFanInCC]

Anticipated rally ? Im not gonna hold my breath . I'd jump all over the Steelers -6 in this game .

I think Capers should start HIMSELF at QB just to save Carr from another beating ...... Remember the last time these two teams played ? The Texans had a grand total of 47 yards .

Steelers 45-9

47 yards yes...but we were in hostile territory up against a playoff team in frigid weather with a much worse o-line than now.

 

[utahmark]

I'll agree it was an unnecessary hit, but he never touched his head. I think his head hit the ground. The only contact that was made was at the shoulder.

his elbow hit him in the head. when a quarterback slides feet first the play is over if you hit him there will be a flag.

 

[BigBull17]

This should throw a wrench in your play calling theory ....




Its not the run / pass theory ..... The players DONT fit the system , Its as simple as that . This is NOT a run between the tackles team , the skill position players are MUCH more effective IN SPACE :brickwall

IM begining to think ITS NOT Palmers fualt but more of the blame should fall on Capers ..... He wants a POWER RUNNING GAME and DOESNT have the personel to do that .

I have been thinking the samee for awhile. DD can break a tackle and he can pound but not all the time. He is much better in misdirection than anything. Then you have AJ and Mathis, who are good but not for a power running team. If you want that you need big possesion guys who know how to block down field. I knew we should have gotten Troy Brown in the offseason, if hes good enough for NE then why not get him.

 

[Corrosion]

I have been thinking the samee for awhile. DD can break a tackle and he can pound but not all the time. He is much better in misdirection than anything. Then you have AJ and Mathis, who are good but not for a power running team. If you want that you need big possesion guys who know how to block down field. I knew we should have gotten Troy Brown in the offseason, if hes good enough for NE then why not get him.

My point is that this team just isnt a power running team .

Some teams CAN run the ball when there are 8-9 in the box ... The Steelers , Ravens and to some extent the Panthers . What these teams have in common is a BIG BACK who even when the line is stacked they gain positive yardage ..... They also have very good O-lines . Something I think Capers missed in Football 101. (You can add Casserly to those who missed class that day).

This Texans team just does'nt fit into that category . That IS what Capers wants . And as we all know Capers is THE WORST at making adjustments ... This is just another case in point .

We keep blaming Palmer for the offensive shortcomings .... I think Palmer is "handcuffed" by Capers and this team would be better off without it .... :brickwall


As for Troy Brown .... That guy is simply a good FOOTBALL player ...." Hey coach , where ya want me to line up this time ?" ...... "Well Troy , how about Left Tackle " ..... "Sure thing Coach , Ill do my best" ...

 

[texan_fan]

Why are bill fans still here??

Because he's in love with a Texan_Fan

 

[phan1]

Well, after all this talk CARR IS OUR GUY! And he's going to be for the foreseable future. I'm still not sure how good he is, because he's been inconsistent. But so has our whole team in general. But I DO know that he's not bad enough to start looking for other options. And the great thing is that he's got a great sense of maturity. I wouldn't want to have any other guy as the face of our football team. I think other people feel the same way. and he's going to be in Houston for quite a while just for that reason.

And because he's going to be here for a while, we really need to start doing things AROUND Carr rather than trusting Carr to pull a rabbit out of his hat all the time. Maybe he's not going to be great. But do you know how freakin' hard it is to find a great QB? Our QB is still probably better than half the teams in the freakin' league!

We just need to start doing things around Carr and let him grow on his own. In the meantime, let's get some WRs he can communicate with and an Oline that can block well. Because Carr ain't going anywhere. If anything, Palmer has to go first.

 

[SESupergenius]

If we don't establish a running game then there is no passing game, that is the philosphy so far. We need to start passing to set up the run and keep people honest. Very hard to do when the blocking is so putrid. If our oline is good then why can't we run? Nobody seems to want to tackle that question.

On a lighter not, Carr was on NFLNetwork tonight giving a tour of the Locker room and he ran into Walker giving interviews. Carr took over the interview and said something to the effect (jokingly of course) "IS the offense going to have to carry the defense again this year?" Walker replied, "If I went up against you every week I'd be the league leader in sacks" OUCH!

 

[Elite]

If we don't establish a running game then there is no passing game, that is the philosphy so far. We need to start passing to set up the run and keep people honest. Very hard to do when the blocking is so putrid. If our oline is good then why can't we run? Nobody seems to want to tackle that question.

On a lighter not, Carr was on NFLNetwork tonight giving a tour of the Locker room and he ran into Walker giving interviews. Carr took over the interview and said something to the effect (jokingly of course) "IS the offense going to have to carry the defense again this year?" Walker replied, "If I went up against you every week I'd be the league leader in sacks" OUCH!

hell yeah he would David Holds on to the ball so much he would even make seth payne a probowler

 

[texan279]

Well, after all this talk CARR IS OUR GUY! And he's going to be for the foreseable future. I'm still not sure how good he is, because he's been inconsistent. But so has our whole team in general. But I DO know that he's not bad enough to start looking for other options. And the great thing is that he's got a great sense of maturity. I wouldn't want to have any other guy as the face of our football team. I think other people feel the same way. and he's going to be in Houston for quite a while just for that reason.

And because he's going to be here for a while, we really need to start doing things AROUND Carr rather than trusting Carr to pull a rabbit out of his hat all the time. Maybe he's not going to be great. But do you know how freakin' hard it is to find a great QB? Our QB is still probably better than half the teams in the freakin' league!

We just need to start doing things around Carr and let him grow on his own. In the meantime, let's get some WRs he can communicate with and an Oline that can block well. Because Carr ain't going anywhere. If anything, Palmer has to go first.

Is this you David? You say Carr is our guy, then in your next sentence you say you are not sure how good he will be and he has been inconsistent. Carr is in the last year of his contract this season and if he keeps up his poor performance, the only way I see him back here next year is as a backup or a short term low salary incentive based deal. A lot of people keep saying he needs time and he has potential, well he is entering his 4th year and has shown me nothing as of late...if he does not improve his performance and keep it on a consistent level I do not see him being a Texan next season...

 

[Ihategeeks]

Troy Brown resigned with the Pats.

 

[bbills4life]

Because he's in love with a Texan_Fan

 

[FILO_girl]

LOL! Some PM lovin' going on.....