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Carr is not the answer

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In my opinion, not for an 8 million dollar bonus and locking up for 3 yrs at 5.5 mill a yr. Id let him hit the open market and get him for the dollar amount he's worth. If he leaves, id go after brad johnson and groom a young qb or go after david garrard from j-ville. Its plenty of qbs out there we can get for less than the price of david carr. We have too many other needs to fill than to sink 8 mill to a qb who hasnt shown anything!!
 
This is my first post! It's hard to get all the news being a Texan Fan up here in Seattle so I'm glad I found your boards. Not sure why I didn't think of looking for them before....duh...

About Carr...I have days where I'm wondering about his ability and if he is the real deal or not. I think - as others have pointed out more eloquently that myself - it has been very difficult for him to develop to his full potential with the problems the team has with the OL. My biggest fear is he could've been the next Elway, Favre, etc but will be "spoiled" and screwed up playing in Houston and behind this offensive line!

I still have my Carr jersey and I'll still believe. I say keep him.
 
I won't be ready to call him a bust until we give him the right kind of protection behind a good O-line and he still doesn't produce.

I would like the Texans to address the back-up QB position more aggressively with a player who could potentially take over for the remainder of the season if Carr can't produce with a good line. Maybe invest a 3rd round pick and draft one or pick up an a veteran like Flutie, Brooks, or Kitna.
 
bigtex77 said:
Hey NW, just curious, how long have you been in Seattle, and where in Texas are you from?
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Hey bigtex...lived in Seattle and surrounding areas most of my life (44 yrs and counting) and actually never did live in Tx. In my formative years of discovering sports and who I liked, I gravitated with no explanation to the Oilers. Perhaps, Billy White Shoes, Pastorini, Kenny B. later Earl C had something to do with it! LOL! I was in love with "Luv Ya Blue!" My loyalties followed them to Tenessee but now back to Houston.
 
Grid said:
well im glad ya found the forum.. always good to see a informed fan on here.
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David Carr's head is full of rocks. Nothing against JUCO but Carr had to start out at JUCO before Fresno because of school, etc. This translates onto the field in my book, where he doesn't make smart plays. The guy has some talent and it isn't his fault that the line is no good. My problem, after 4 years, is that he still makes the same dumb mistakes...looks RIGHT AT his first option, doesn't throw the ball away, etc.
 
Maybe a halfway decent coach can stop this. He should be allowed a chance with someone who knows what they are doing.
 
Grid said:
cant judge carr yet. needs more time.
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That sounds like the Saints organization and Aaron Brooks....Lets face it. Winning is the measure of sucess, and neither your starting QB did it, nor mine. They BOTH need to go.
 
Grid said:
cant judge carr yet. needs more time.
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The fans and and media here are way too forgiving. 4 years of this stuff is too much. He hasn't even learned basic Quarterbacking in that time.
 
I've seen improvement. Especially when given the permission to handle the offense. I believe coaching has everything to do with it. I think if you are going to put it in Carrs hands, you gotta get him Kubiak so that he can get this kid the plays for Carr to make plays.
 
yah.. how dare he spend 4 years just LAYING on his back behind hte line of scrimmage.. slacking off.. and expect us to be patient.


This is a stupid arguement. get over it. its tiring. Carr is staying.. Carr is getting more time.. Carr has not had a fair chance.. Carr still has room for improvement.

deal with it.
 
bubbajaxonbrown said:
I won't be ready to call him a bust until we give him the right kind of protection behind a good O-line and he still doesn't produce.

I would like the Texans to address the back-up QB position more aggressively with a player who could potentially take over for the remainder of the season if Carr can't produce with a good line. Maybe invest a 3rd round pick and draft one or pick up an a veteran like Flutie, Brooks, or Kitna.
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They did invest a 3rd pick into a QB. Did you forget Dave Ragone? Also you don't waste the 1st or 2nd picks in the 3rd round on another QB. The Texans will have the top 2 picks in 3rd round due to trade they made with the Saints last year.
 
:ok: Well , I will not hang my hat on Carr . He brings on alot of problems on himself . How did Banks get the ball downfield and not get sacked .

Carr and the rest of this team have been babied cause of their new status . Its time for everyone to be accountable ... even David he 's the QB for a 2-14 team and started every game .( hopefully Bush will keep his pa away from practice )
 
I guess this is the eternal question, how long is long enough? 4 years? 6 years? 10 years? If you couldnt do your job in 4 years, wouldnt you replaced? Much less if they were paying you what he's getting paid? Players are paid to make plays, not excuses. The guy gets hit all year long and then in the last game of the year when 0 sacks are given up, he gets hurt?
 
:redtowel: The OL is bad but its not as bad as it looks . Teams have nothig to lose going after Carr because he wont burn them ... he'll dump it or eat it . This started three years ago and it won't get better .
 
Davie Franchise will be a nice backup somewhere 3 years from now. He won't kill you with mistakes, but he won't make any plays for you either. Look at what Tony friggin' Banks did (yardage-wise) in one half with the same offensive line and receivers.

No, Carr is not the answer... that's very obvious to many after 4 years of futility.
 
Grid said:
yah.. how dare he spend 4 years just LAYING on his back behind hte line of scrimmage.. slacking off.. and expect us to be patient.


This is a stupid arguement. get over it. its tiring. Carr is staying.. Carr is getting more time.. Carr has not had a fair chance.. Carr still has room for improvement.

deal with it.
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Why are you defensive and name calling. If you knew anything about football you'd know that he is on his back half the time because he holds onto the ball and won't throw it away. How many sacks has the line given up against bad teams lately?He is been in the league 4 years and ESPN was making fun of him their last national game because he just stared down receivers.....after 4 years. They predicted his interceptions. If you think that is progress then you can't see the light. Typical Houston sports fan who wants to hang on to guys and give them a chance. I'm sure you think Bagwell has some good years left too(roll eyes)
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:ok: Well , I will not hang my hat on Carr . He brings on alot of problems on himself . How did Banks get the ball downfield and not get sacked .

Carr and the rest of this team have been babied cause of their new status . Its time for everyone to be accountable ... even David he 's the QB for a 2-14 team and started every game .( hopefully Bush will keep his pa away from practice )
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Because Banks was to busy thowing picks for TD returns!! Carr will lead this team to the playoffs!!
 
the wonger need food said:
You have to be careful when discussing Carr on this board. There are many with a huge man-crush on the guy.
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LOL..sorry. I'm new as of yesterday and really grew up a Cowboy fan(don't throw rocks). I've lived here since 1993 though and would love to see the Texans get better for the city. From an outsider looking in I think the fans are way too forgiving and think good guy equals winner. Carr, from what I read, never stays late to look at film and is pretty much worried about his TV appearances and his hair. He claims the film is because he puts a premium on his family. Well sometimes you need to sacrifice. Alot of people do.
 
:tv: I have 'nt been posting on Carr until the season ended because its time to be accountable . Theres no excuse , their a 2-14 team if you blame one you blame them all . The bigger the platform the more responsibility .

Oh by the way did anyone see the end of the first half against the Chiefs ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:ok: Well , I will not hang my hat on Carr . He brings on alot of problems on himself . How did Banks get the ball downfield and not get sacked .
You mean into the hands of Adams twice, once for a touchdown and once to setup the game winning kick. Yeah, Banks is so much better than Carr. If he had been playing for San Freakinsisco!!! Oh how many sacks were given up yesterday?
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dat_boy_yec said:
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:ok: Well , I will not hang my hat on Carr . He brings on alot of problems on himself . How did Banks get the ball downfield and not get sacked .
You mean into the hands of Adams twice, once for a touchdown and once to setup the game winning kick. Yeah, Banks is so much better than Carr. If he had been playing for San Freakinsisco!!! Oh how many sacks were given up yesterday?
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Banks hadn't played all year. Carr has done the same thing this season playing 16 games..lol.
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:yahoo: If it were Carr who threw the picks yesterday , ya'll would blame the recievers or the rain or the OL or the call or the ref or the wind or the Fresno coach for not being there .
 
IshouldbeGM said:
In my opinion, not for an 8 million dollar bonus and locking up for 3 yrs at 5.5 mill a yr. Id let him hit the open market and get him for the dollar amount he's worth. If he leaves, id go after brad johnson and groom a young qb or go after david garrard from j-ville. Its plenty of qbs out there we can get for less than the price of david carr. We have too many other needs to fill than to sink 8 mill to a qb who hasnt shown anything!!
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and thats why your not a GM. :yahoo:
 
the wonger need food said:
You have to be careful when discussing Carr on this board. There are many with a huge man-crush on the guy.
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We know your a **** so stop trying to push your reverse Psychology. Your a troll. If Carr goes he goes if he stays he stays whatever happens the constant is YOUR A TROLL>>>>!
 
Straightshooter said:
and thats why your not a GM. :yahoo:
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Wish he were. Carr has rocks for brains and has learned nothing in 4 years except how to go home early and how to get haircuts on the news.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Wish he were. Carr has rocks for brains and has learned nothing in 4 years except how to go home early and how to get haircuts on the news.
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Another troll. So you are saying Carr is mentally challenged? Nothing in four years? Wow when you suck you suckith the most huh frogger? Your not watching the games your watching him....you are like the wonger....in need of help..yes much!
 
:tv: Would you trade Carr and the first pick to the Raiders for their 06 and 07 first round picks , 06 second rd. 06 third rd. Robert Gallery and Doug Gabriel ?
 
Straightshooter said:
Another troll. So you are saying Carr is mentally challenged? Nothing in four years? Wow when you suck you suckith the most huh frogger? Your not watching the games your watching him....you are like the wonger....in need of help..yes much!
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OK David, go work on scrambling out of bounds or looking to your second read.

(Oh no - Got a negative point for this comment):sarcasm:
 
Straightshooter said:
Another troll. So you are saying Carr is mentally challenged? Nothing in four years? Wow when you suck you suckith the most huh frogger? Your not watching the games your watching him....you are like the wonger....in need of help..yes much!
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A troll?No, a smart football fan who isn't blinded by bad loyalty. He went to a Junior College before Fresno because he couldn't cut it in the smarts department. He has now been here 4 years and can't learn simple NFL truths like don't stare down your receiver. That was embarrassing on Sunday Night Football when they laughed at him. He also hasn't learned how not to take a sack. There has also been rumblings all year that he doesn't stay late after practice to work on things going wrong and he won't study film after practice. He has regressed.
 
i want a new qb that will actually win games and then maybe i can watch sportscenter on espn without having them barely mention the texans, and when they do, its always an insult and they just laugh at how they think theyre so pathetic and they dont know what david carr is thinking when he lets opportunity slip through his hands.
 
:brickwall If it was a talent problem with with the OL they would have fired Casserly . Its either coaching QB play or both .

They have drafted Pitts 2nd , Weary 3rd , Wand 3rd . They signed FA's Weigert , Mckinney , Wade . Theres more to the story than Carr drops back and gets creamed .

If Carr stays I hope its because Reeves and the new coach think he can be salvaged and not because Mcnair likes him .
 
has anyone noticed how his release changes? I don't remember seeing a good release from him since last season. It seems to me that he has sort of been trying to throw the ball sidearmed AND properly.
 
mexican_texan said:
has anyone noticed how his release changes? I don't remember seeing a good release from him since last season. It seems to me that he has sort of been trying to throw the ball sidearmed AND properly.
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I've noticed the sidearm more then anything else, especially when he is rushed. It seems like he has to think about throwing the ball properly and it just doesnt happen naturally.
 
I can't tell you how many times I've seen on TV where Carr comes off the field and the first thing he does is "fix" his hair. I actually saw where a coach came over to show him photos from the game and talk strategy and he didn't even look at the coach or the photos, he "fixed" his hair!

I gave him a chance. I no longer have faith in him. He has to prove himself.

And to me it doesn't seem like he is improving at all. It may indeed be partly because of coaching but I also see a lack of fire in him too. I also don't think he has respect from the other players either.
 
afcman said:
............It may indeed be partly because of coaching but I also see a lack of fire in him too. I also don't think he has respect from the other players either.
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Could any of that be attributed to the fact he's on his back more often then a cheap Las Vegas whore?

Cripes...I know we can't baby him, but to think he's been going through this for four friggin years! Think about it! Every game you go into for four years you know you're going to help set the sack record every game. I would think your mechanics, head space, etc IS going to evolve - and not in a good way - over that time period.

Yes Wonger...I want to make passionate man love with Mr. Carr. :drool:
 
Could any of that be attributed to the fact he's on his back more often then a cheap Las Vegas whore?
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That wouldn't happen unless you were one. How many other men would keep letting that happen. I WOULDN'T. You'd think after a while he get fed up and mad as ***** about it. And do what it takes to not let that happen.

Throw the friggin ball away for one thing. ANYTHING! Call nothing but running plays no matter what the coach says. :rolleyes: I didn't see where it really bothered him that much. Where's the fire in the belly? The eye of the tiger? This is just one reason why I think he lacks respect from his fellow players. I've seen other QB's who got sacked alot in a game and you could feel the anger through the TV from them.
 
afcman said:
That wouldn't happen unless you were one. How many other men would keep letting that happen. I WOULDN'T. You'd think after a while he get fed up and mad as ***** about it. And do what it takes to not let that happen.

Throw the friggin ball away for one thing. ANYTHING! Call nothing but running plays no matter what the coach says. :rolleyes: I didn't see where it really bothered him that much. Where's the fire in the belly? The eye of the tiger? This is just one reason why I think he lacks respect from his fellow players. I've seen other QB's who got sacked alot in a game and you could feel the anger through the TV from them.
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This is also attributed to the fact that he doesn't stay after practice or watch extra film, as I stated above. I've been hearing about this locker room gripe all year. He is a prima donna.
 
Are there any good quarterbacks coming out in 2007?

Carr is not a good QB and he has not shown improvement over 4 years...

Harrington, Boller, Alex Smith, David Carr, Rex Grossman, throw a dart and pick your QB...

We will be having this same discussion at the end of the 2006 season and the excuse then will be that he played under a new coach yada yada yada...

The Texans will go nowhere with Carr at the helm...
 
Straightshooter said:
Another troll. So you are saying Carr is mentally challenged? Nothing in four years? Wow when you suck you suckith the most huh frogger? Your not watching the games your watching him....you are like the wonger....in need of help..yes much!
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Yes we are saying he has done nothing in 4 years. Look at his win/loss record and identical mistakes he makes over and over again and it will be very obvious to you. Let's have this conversation again after his new contract expires.

In the meantime, we hope you are enjoying that People and/or GQ spread you have stashed under your matress.
 
No way to judge David yet, due simply to the fact that he's playing for an expansion team...........I'd give him @ least another year................another gamebreaker on offense & some more time to throw & I think he can be a playoff QB......time will tell.
 
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