Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Carr Haters, Lets Make a deal

BuffSoldier

BuffSoldier

Veteran
Okay, Im tired of reading and posting about DC's ability too make plays or not to make plays. I just think that the Carr hater and Carr backers should come to a truce not to talk about Carr until we get AJ back and the o-line starts to protect, or until next season when we make some much needed upgrades to the offense such as a real OL, a TE, and maybe another WR.
 
or maybe just try watching the game tape with an entirely objective attitude. you might be surprised what ya find...
 
The QB touches the ball on every play...he's just going to be talked about....its the most important position and he is our most important draft pick as he gets paid 60 million dollars....like it or not he gets the most interest...good and bad. I thought he was just awful today.
 
Spin it away...but he was awful. He killed the one drive when he throws a routine pass ten yards in front of Gaffney...he threw the ball away on the two point conversion. He sacked himself on the first drive while Breunner was wide open....my gosh....he was awful.
 
When he gets protection he is awful. The Gaffney pass in the dirt killing a drive...the locking on to Bradford throwing an easy INT as you see everybody flowing to the spot Carr is about to throw to...the 2 point conversion thrown in the stands....geesh
 
He's trigger happy. If we even ATTEMPT to shore up the line next year, perhaps he will gain some confidence back in his teammates and he wont need to overthink/overdo on every play.
 
The problem with paying a guy 60 million dollars is he needs to be productive. How long do we wait to see if he ever gets it? He keeps us from signing other good players due to him crowding a large part of the salary cap. He has more starts than Bulger, Pennington and Brees...We can't wait another 50 starts for him to come up to speed.
 
Vinny said:
The problem with paying a guy 60 million dollars is he needs to be productive. How long do we wait to see if he ever gets it? He keeps us from signing other good players due to him crowding a large part of the salary cap. He has more starts than Bulger, Pennington and Brees...We can't wait another 50 starts for him to come up to speed.
Click to expand...

Football's a team game though. He does need to be productive, but he also needs some productive teammates in the process. When you sign the #1 pick, you are signing on potential, not what they have done like big money free agents. A #1 pick cant reach his potential when you dont let him use that potential in the playcalling and the execution of plays. I do think this year has been a regression from last year, but the guy has been KNOCKED around from the gate. He's a deer in the headlights.
 
i Agree 3 1/2 years of a wasted pick so far is not enough to prove that david is not the greatest ever i think we should rework his contract and give him peyton manning money he deserves it.:rofl: i mean so what if he cant read a defense so what if he audibles a 2-20 in to a run so what if the only people he can hit in the numbers are opposing Db's its not davids fault its the o-line's fault .:yahoo:
 
He was pretty bad this past Sunday.

The commentators showed replays, and he had at least 80% of his pass plays with a clear pocket and a clear throwing lane established by the line.

And he tosses a 3rd down pass to Gaffney into the dirt. Forget the accuracy of the throw...did you see it wobbling and with no zip on it? Yikes.

He's a bust. Period.

Hanging onto Carr was the last shred of hope Texans fans had of thinking that maybe its just the o line's fault and we can get a new o line and we'll be good to go.

IMO, we need a new o line and a new QB. Carr looks like a QB: The good hair, the good looks, shining smile and great personality and character...but so does Capers (well...minus the good hair and great personality) and look where it's taken us.

I see a guy like Ragone go overseas and work his rear off week in and week out, put up consistent numbers against albeit average talent...but the guy just seemingly plays with more passion on every down than Carr.

If the Texans have kept Ragone this long, I'd like to think they see something that the Carr lovers don't. Shoot, give him a try
 
I think everyone can agree, Carr is not playing well, whether due to poor play-calling, poor pass protection, or just poor performance on his part. I think the guy needs a break and part of that break is not playing for awhile. His confidence is shot and even he admits it. Whether you want to say I'm taking quotes out of context or not, he has said it's easy to start thinking "hear it goes again" and that he has to be thinking he only has 2 seconds to throw the ball even when he has more time. John McClain, in the Chronicle says it's not all Carr's fault but then says he is shell-shocked and Payton Manning would be too. I think he needs to be pulled for his own protection before the damage becomes permanent. Maybe after we lose to the Browns, it will be easier for the coaches to do because the season will be over at that point. With our starting QB only being able to muster 6 net yards passing for a game, we have to have a change; whether it's Carr's fault or not. Will Ragone be better? We won't know until we give him a shot but you can't get much worse than 6 yards for an entire game.
 
:brickwall It seems that the Texans will try everything to fix the offense but one thing . Its like your TV goes out and you check everything but the plug cause you assume its plugged in . After hours of wasted time your wife calls the TV repair guy and he charges 100 $ to plug it in .
 
The problem with watching your Tivo and trying to make rational determinations from it is you can't see what's going on downfield. I sit in section 323, right between the goal posts. I watch all the plays develop and see what's going on downfield. Usually I focus on the receivers for the play, then watch the backfield on the jumboptron replay. There were no open receivers for the majority of the game. There was one play where Carr was sacked in which he pumped and had to pull it back because his lane closed off. There was someone open on that play. It's easier for me to point out the plays where a receiver was open than the other way around.

Everyone on here will point to the play where he missed Gaffney in the flat or the 2-pt conversion. That's two plays. I can point to many more plays where no one was open, people missed assignments, etc. That's not to say Carr played well - he didn't. And he makes some stupid mistakes that frustrate the heck out of me. I find it funny, however, when Carr breaks free from a defender's grasp on a roll-out and scrambles for a first down and the crowd cheers like mad. Then later, the EXACT same play, Carr gets sacked trying to do the same thing and people want to hang him. Look folks, you can't have it both ways. Carr is at least trying to make something happen, even if it's on his own two legs. He should give up on those plays, but then you'd all be complaining about that.

Right now, teams can pick their poison in how to beat us - blitz and kill our porous O-line, or send 4 and drop 7. No receivers can get open and the line still can't protect Carr that long. Remember the Pitt game, when Roethlisberger shuffled around in the backfield for a good 8 seconds before launching one downfield to Ced Wilson? Same thing with McNair ona few plays in the Titans game. Carr never has that luxury. Even if the other team only sends 4, they'll get to him fairly quickly. If they blitz, there's no chance. It's just that on the plays where they send four, people on here start saying "Carr had enough time to throw!!" ... basic math - 7 in the secondary vs. our 3 (maybe 4) receivers.
 
Players get discussed...especially the ones who touch the ball every snap. I kinda expect a NFL QB to make a few plays....actually more than a few. People have no problem bashing the big ugly guys...but talk poorly about the pretty boy and the fans fall apart. If Carr was some ugly mule-faced 5th round pick people would be running him out of town by now based on his play.
 
until we get a coaching staff that will take this team by the throat and make them play collectively up to their potential and penalize each and every one of them for UNDERACHEIVING then we will continue to see sub-par performances on Sundays. Quit making excuses these guys are all in the NFL and need to start playing like they have a SET. This coaching staff can't seem to get anything on a winning trac and I say its TIME FOR A CHANGE.........NOW:challenge :texflag:
 
Carr needs to sit for his own good. He's just not a good mix with our O-Line. We need to see if someone elses pocket presence will make a difference. Eluding the passrush ala Ben Roethlisberger is taking subtle steps to one side or the other and keeping your eye downfield.

If Carr doesn't sit then Bradford needs to sit. He's a speedster and obviously the routes he's best at running are not going to work. Armstrong needs to start a game or two.
 
Nice. A football message board that is being requested to refrain from talking about the QB. :um: Whatever.

For whatever reason(s), DC looked horrible on Sunday. He hasn't really looked good for any length of time (ie. entire game) this season.

The debate about his talent (or lack thereof) vs. his shell-shocked state-of-mind can rage on...

But the fact of the matter is that he's not playing very well.

And there is one way to find out: Start Tony Banks for a game. Not to disrespect Carr, but let's just see how the team responds to another QB, and let's see how another QB can deal with this team.

If TB is sacked 7 times a game, and the results are the same as DC, then we know for certain.

But what if Banks wins a game? And/or has a great game?

What do we have to lose? Another game?
 
I would like to believe that Carr is worth every penny. I would like to believe that he has turned in some good performances over the last 3.5 years, but there are not many. At the same time I see so many of his cohorts willing their team to wins and show improvement almost weekly.

When I turn on the TV or get in my seat I do not day dream of what DC may bring to the table. I think of an big play by Dunta, a return by Mathis or a 100 yeard game by DD. Carr does not get the fan in me excited.

As for last week, I think he did a great job of handing the ball off to DD. 3.5 years and X millions of dollars later and all I can find good about this guy is that he can hand off and roll out to his right.

Forget cutting the hair, cut a new contract.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
So true. I don't claim to be a QB guru, but at least I'm not dumb enough to believe that he isn't trying to do everything he can out there to help this team win. Houston doesn't deserve a QB like him, especially when he has been nothing but a man by not saying this coaching staff and team blows.
Click to expand...

That's one of the truest things I've read on these boards about his character.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
So true. I don't claim to be a QB guru, but at least I'm not dumb enough to believe that he isn't trying to do everything he can out there to help this team win. Houston doesn't deserve a QB like him, especially when he has been nothing but a man by not saying this coaching staff and team blows.
Click to expand...

Well at least he has earned his inflated contract in some respect.
 
You ever watch "Worlds Strongest Man" competition?........WHY can't McNair go get a couple of those guys to put on the line?
 
But what if Banks wins a game? And/or has a great game?
Click to expand...
and THERE is the MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

The reason the current coaching staff can't put another QB in and bench Carr, even though he rightfully deserves to be benched, is that IF the other QB wins the game, for whatever reason, then Capers and Company look even more IDI-OTIC than they currently do for being the 'Carr is the man' touters through the first 6 games of this season. Imagine the 'egg on their face' if another QB other than thier exalted first pick in Rd 1, superstar quality QB Carr, were to actually take control to this team and WIN a game.

The embarrassment would be the final humiliation and ultimate objectivity to how badly coached and assessed the Texans Coach's really are.

as for your deal, please tell me your kidding or being sarcastic and I just missed it. :texflag:

I'll make you a deal. I won't talk about Carr and what an embarrassment of a QB he is if he sits on the bench for an entire game. I won't even come on the boards and talk about him in the sense of how glad I am he is actually FINALLY getting the starting position he truly deserves, BENCH WARMER #1. When Carr sits out an entire game I won't comment on him in any way until he comes on the field and plays again. How's that for a deal?
 
thegr8fan said:
and THERE is the MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

The reason the current coaching staff can't put another QB in and bench Carr, even though he rightfully deserves to be benched, is that IF the other QB wins the game, for whatever reason, then Capers and Company look even more IDI-OTIC than they currently do for being the 'Carr is the man' touters through the first 6 games of this season. Imagine the 'egg on their face' if another QB other than thier exalted first pick in Rd 1, superstar quality QB Carr, were to actually take control to this team and WIN a game.

The embarrassment would be the final humiliation and ultimate objectivity to how badly coached and assessed the Texans Coach's really are.
Click to expand...

gr8, this is pretty much my conclusion, as well. I'm starting to wonder if this regime is concerned about winning games right now, as crazy as that sounds. It seems more like they are trying to cover their rears more than anything.

Another aspect of starting TB this game: if he's successful and can lead this current group of players to victory, where does that leave the decision to re-sign DC to the $8 million deal? I'm sure they don't want a QB-controversey, but maybe that's what we need to do in order to shake things up a bit.

Something needs to be done, just to see what happens. Our current course of action continually leads us to losing conclusions.


thegr8fan said:
as for your deal, please tell me your kidding or being sarcastic and I just missed it. :texflag:

I'll make you a deal. I won't talk about Carr and what an embarrassment of a QB he is if he sits on the bench for an entire game. I won't even come on the boards and talk about him in the sense of how glad I am he is actually FINALLY getting the starting position he truly deserves, BENCH WARMER #1. When Carr sits out an entire game I won't comment on him in any way until he comes on the field and plays again. How's that for a deal?
Click to expand...

I think the guy is/was serious about his request. idonno:

Not that we plan on honoring it or anything. Jeesh, as Vinny mentioned, the QB touches the ball every offensive play. Of course he's going to be the topic of conversation in a football forum! :hmmm:
 
thegr8fan said:
and THERE is the MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

The reason the current coaching staff can't put another QB in and bench Carr, even though he rightfully deserves to be benched, is that IF the other QB wins the game, for whatever reason, then Capers and Company look even more IDI-OTIC than they currently do for being the 'Carr is the man' touters through the first 6 games of this season. Imagine the 'egg on their face' if another QB other than thier exalted first pick in Rd 1, superstar quality QB Carr, were to actually take control to this team and WIN a game.

The embarrassment would be the final humiliation and ultimate objectivity to how badly coached and assessed the Texans Coach's really are.
Click to expand...

I don't believe this for an instant. Casserly and Capers' jobs don't hang on the question of whether Carr was a good pick at this point. They hang on winning games. Now they may be absolutely wrong, but IMO they really believe starting Carr gives them the best chance of winning. If they honestly believe Ragone or Banks would give them a better chance and are not starting them just to protect the image of their draft pick, they truly are some of the stupidest people around. As much as I want both gone at the end of the season, I don't think they are that dumb.

Now if you want a conspiracy theory, fear that Banks or Ragone might come in and stir up a QB controversy by playing well in scrub time at the end of a blow-out may very well be why the coaches keep trotting Carr out there to add on a few more hits when they have no chance of coming back.
 
But infantrycak, conspiracy theories aside, isn't there a point where Carr is just taking too much of a beating? Even for practical reasons (ie. keeping Carr from getting seriously injured and/or losing his reflexive skills), it seems that a change of pace might be in order.

I'm not advocating Banks (or even Ragone) as QBs of the future. My concern is that they might truly hurt DC for the long-term by continuing to let him get creamed multiple times per game. The human body (and mind) can only take so much before it reaches a point-of-no-return. This, of course, is pure speculation on my part, but I really can't see DC taking 5-6 years of 50+ sack seasons and being an elite QB down the road.

As far as Coach Capers not being that dumb...I'm not going to say he's stupid or any such nonsense, but there have to be concerns that he's making bad decisions as a head coach. We could start another thread on that specific topic, so I won't go much into it here.
 
infantrycak said:
Now if you want a conspiracy theory, fear that Banks or Ragone might come in and stir up a QB controversy by playing well in scrub time at the end of a blow-out may very well be why the coaches keep trotting Carr out there to add on a few more hits when they have no chance of coming back.
Click to expand...
I'd consider that equally foolhardy....and it's not out of the question with our staff. I have never seen a NFL team operate like ours has.
 
Double Barrel said:
But infantrycak, conspiracy theories aside, isn't there a point where Carr is just taking too much of a beating? Even for practical reasons (ie. keeping Carr from getting seriously injured and/or losing his reflexive skills), it seems that a change of pace might be in order.
Click to expand...

That is honestly a concern, particularly if you are McNair and have already decided Carr is your guy. On the other hand, I think a decision like that has to be made either with the QB or as a public statement or you damage the QB's confidence and the fans (if they have any left). IMO to bench Carr for his own good McNair would need to go to Carr and say you will be here next year, they won't, I don't want to hurt, please peacefully sit and let these other guys take the hits for the rest of the year and here is the bonus for your extension. Don't see it happening. If you are McNair and haven't decided to keep him, you need to keep seeing him play to make the decision. If you aren't going to keep him, you leave it to the coaches to see who they think best gives the chance to win--so far they think Carr does.
 
infantrycak said:
If you aren't going to keep him, you leave it to the coaches to see who they think best gives the chance to win--so far they think Carr does.
Click to expand...
Buffalo thought Losman gave them their best chance to win too...until he stunk it up. They were smart enough to change quarterbacks and give him some competition. Losman now knows he can't play unless he plays well. Carr doesn't know this feeling.
 
Anyone for getting Troy back?...lol Anyway carr needs to go back to football 101 I think if he had the O-line he could turn out to be a great QB.
But it's all in the way you look at it could of should of etc...Just my :twocents: worth
 
Some of the more recent foundations of thought for this argument are pure speculation:

(1) Is McNair telling coaches/management that Carr ABSOLUTELY must play? Nobody KNOWS this. Yet it's thrown out as a possibly "scenario."

(2) Capers & Co. DON'T want to bench Carr and start Banks/Ragone because a win by another QB would make the Carr draft pick look bad on Capers/Casserly. Pure speculation.

Why this is such a heated argument is beyond me, and according to some posters it could possibly be "beyond me" because I don't know much about football :rolleyes: as they like to state when someone disagrees with them.

Fact: Carr as QB has not won a reg season game since before week 17 last year.

Fact: We have two more QBs on our roster, one of which (Banks) has proven he can win a few games. The other (Ragone) held a clipboard all season except for the Jax game, and then he gets some reps in Europe and wins the MVP.

Speculation: Bench Carr for a half, or the whole game. Give our other guys a shot. Claim Carr got injured and THAT'S what's wrong with him...he just needs rest and his condition is day-to-day, meaning until next season rolls around and we build this ultimate o line that will solve the team's problems.

Carr is the guy whether you like it or not. He always has been and he always will be until he really gets injured or until he goes on strike or has a bad hair day or something.
 
Hey dont get me wrong i'm all for Carr. But mostly I would like to see some wins as we all would.
 
infantrycak said:
...IMO to bench Carr for his own good McNair would need to go to Carr and say you will be here next year, they won't, I don't want to hurt, please peacefully sit and let these other guys take the hits for the rest of the year and here is the bonus for your extension. Don't see it happening. If you are McNair and haven't decided to keep him, you need to keep seeing him play to make the decision...
Click to expand...
I agree with you..except for that last sentence. What is Carr going to do from this point on in the season that will enable you to make that decision. The Texans can't run a conventional NFL offense, right now. Last Sunday, Carr either escaped the rush or was sacked on half of the teams 18 passing plays. They can't go into a game and plan to throw 30-32 times a games, like normal NFL teams do. There's nothing to learn from this.

Like it or not, Carr will go down at some point this season. He's not bionic. So we will see Banks. And Tony will go down. Then we'll see Ragone. Every Texan QB will get the opportunity to play behind this line before it's all said and done. I hope they've got Preston Parson's phone # handy.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
Please...Losman is completely overrated. They wanted to see what he could do as a starter, not that they could win or not.
Click to expand...

When a team sees what a can do at QB they are primarily concerned with does the team win or not win. No matter how much they trot them out, coaches don't give a hoot about passer ratings, completion percentage, etc.

It is all about winning.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
3 questions.
1-how much ar we paying out o-line?

2-is it too much of a problem to ask them to block with what we are paying them, and how long should we wait to see if they step up?

3-don't Bulger, Pennington, and Brees have coaches 100 times better than Capers and Co.?

Just curious. I mean...we don't know for sure what we have with Carr. He's never developed to what we want because the owner never stood up and said to the GM or Capers, "Don't be stupid. Hire and draft some good o-lineman to protect this guy to see if he is a bust or not." I don't know about you, but it seems rather reasonable to me.
Click to expand...

This statement alones tells us a ton about the organization. Most Qbs get 25-30 starts and in the case of high draft choices maybe 35-40 to show that they have it or not. 50 starts into a QBs career you need to know what he is. The fact this organization has not put Carr in position to really find out is shameful.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
3 questions.
1-how much ar we paying out o-line?

2-is it too much of a problem to ask them to block with what we are paying them, and how long should we wait to see if they step up?

3-don't Bulger, Pennington, and Brees have coaches 100 times better than Capers and Co.?

Just curious. I mean...we don't know for sure what we have with Carr. He's never developed to what we want because the owner never stood up and said to the GM or Capers, " Hire and draft some good o-lineman to protect this guy to see if he is a bust or not." I don't know about you, but it seems rather reasonable to me.
Click to expand...

Your points are valid, but one does not waste a 1st pick in the draft unless you know what you are going to get out of him. I honestly cannot believe after 3.5 years we are saying "we don't know for sure what we have with Carr." It is an indictment of Carr, Casserly and Capers.
 
thegr8fan said:
and THERE is the MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

The reason the current coaching staff can't put another QB in and bench Carr, even though he rightfully deserves to be benched, is that IF the other QB wins the game, for whatever reason, then Capers and Company look even more IDI-OTIC than they currently do for being the 'Carr is the man' touters through the first 6 games of this season. Imagine the 'egg on their face' if another QB other than thier exalted first pick in Rd 1, superstar quality QB Carr, were to actually take control to this team and WIN a game.

The embarrassment would be the final humiliation and ultimate objectivity to how badly coached and assessed the Texans Coach's really are.

as for your deal, please tell me your kidding or being sarcastic and I just missed it. :texflag:

I'll make you a deal. I won't talk about Carr and what an embarrassment of a QB he is if he sits on the bench for an entire game. I won't even come on the boards and talk about him in the sense of how glad I am he is actually FINALLY getting the starting position he truly deserves, BENCH WARMER #1. When Carr sits out an entire game I won't comment on him in any way until he comes on the field and plays again. How's that for a deal?
Click to expand...

Good point. Never thought about. And they will resign him because they
won't be men and admit to themsleves that they made a bad pick, putting this team deeper in a hole.
 
:texflag: big tex why do have to cut folks down ?
Carr is the Golden child for the worst team in the NFL . Once again right now he's about a 4 as a NFL QB . If it were anyone else they would have been benched but Davy is untouchable ... Sorry fellas it'll take a pulled hammy before Carr comes out .
It reminds me of a Little League dad who won't pull his son from pitching just cause he's only walked 10 batters . Its not his fault its the Umps ... he'll get it just wait .
 
Lucky said:
I agree with you..except for that last sentence. What is Carr going to do from this point on in the season that will enable you to make that decision. The Texans can't run a conventional NFL offense, right now. Last Sunday, Carr either escaped the rush or was sacked on half of the teams 18 passing plays. They can't go into a game and plan to throw 30-32 times a games, like normal NFL teams do. There's nothing to learn from this.
Click to expand...

As unconventional and totally outside the norm of NFL operations/unrealistic as this is, if I was McNair and was still unsure about Carr, I would be very tempted (if in the last 3 year I had formed an impression he was reasonably bright--something we just will never know) to let Carr develop his own game plan. Instead of proving whether Banks can work better in Capers/Pendries horribly coached/designed/inspired offense (since we know they are gone anyway), let Carr attempt to run the O he wants. We'll find out if he is scared, conservative, can inspire the O, etc. Won't ever happen, but then again, I didn't anticipate a 7-9 team looking this freakin' bad and this seems to server more of a purpose to me than putting in Banks.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
This statement alones tells us a ton about the organization. Most Qbs get 25-30 starts and in the case of high draft choices maybe 35-40 to show that they have it or not. 50 starts into a QBs career you need to know what he is. The fact this organization has not put Carr in position to really find out is shameful.
Click to expand...

I tend to be much more in line with you on what Carr can be, maybe a little more optimistic, but this is the absolute truth. The one thing that can be absolutely said is this has been a pathetic attempt to develop a #1 pick QB and there is no way in Hades he has shown his full potential, however high or low it is.
 
Hulk75 said:
Funny how people can turn on others so quickly?
Perception and Reality are two different things Vinny?
Click to expand...
Tell me "Hulk", exactly who have I turned on? I've been talking football long before you came along. Carr is a wonderful person and has a wonderful family but that doesn't mean I have to like his game. I just talk about the players playing some football. I never talk about Carr being a bad guy or doing dumb things outside of the football field. You guys need to get a grip with you trying to make me out to be a bad guy just because I don't like his play. You may not like what you hear but I am giving my honest take.
 
:texflag: I believe the people who want change are more interested in the team and the play of said team. The pro Carr folks are way to personal with their feelings . Like Vinny said Carr's a great guy but that does'nt mean he gets a free pass . Aaron Glen was a great guy and look at him .
 
infantrycak said:
As unconventional and totally outside the norm of NFL operations/unrealistic as this is, if I was McNair and was still unsure about Carr, I would be very tempted (if in the last 3 year I had formed an impression he was reasonably bright--something we just will never know) to let Carr develop his own game plan. Instead of proving whether Banks can work better in Capers/Pendries horribly coached/designed/inspired offense (since we know they are gone anyway), let Carr attempt to run the O he wants. We'll find out if he is scared, conservative, can inspire the O, etc. Won't ever happen, but then again, I didn't anticipate a 7-9 team looking this freakin' bad and this seems to server more of a purpose to me than putting in Banks.
Click to expand...

I like it.
 
Vinny said:
When he gets protection he is awful. The Gaffney pass in the dirt killing a drive...the locking on to Bradford throwing an easy INT as you see everybody flowing to the spot Carr is about to throw to...the 2 point conversion thrown in the stands....geesh
Click to expand...

How often does he get protection? How many times has he been slammed into the dirt/turf?

I would think that, at this point, he expects to get slammed every time and acts accordingly.

How many weapons does he have?

The QB can't do it all by himself. Give him consistant protection and some weapons and then we'll listen to the Carr critics.
 
Vinny said:
The problem with paying a guy 60 million dollars is he needs to be productive. How long do we wait to see if he ever gets it? He keeps us from signing other good players due to him crowding a large part of the salary cap. He has more starts than Bulger, Pennington and Brees...We can't wait another 50 starts for him to come up to speed.
Click to expand...


How productive can you be when your butt is slammed into the grass evertime you try to make a move?
 
bigTEXan8 said:
So true. I don't claim to be a QB guru, but at least I'm not dumb enough to believe that he isn't trying to do everything he can out there to help this team win. Houston doesn't deserve a QB like him, especially when he has been nothing but a man by not saying this coaching staff and team blows.
Click to expand...


Exactly.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top