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Carr Extended for 3 Years
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CaptainPatriot
Waterboy
Carr Bomb said:Young isn't even the highest rated QB in the draft. Thats what cracks me up about the Young Fanatics. If yall truly believe we needed another qb, hey we have the #1 pick and should take the highest rated QB who ran a pro offense in college and is much much more pro ready than Young and dominated over his entire college career and had a better career record.
If anybodys loyalty rests with the acquisition of one player then they were truly never really a loyal fan to begin with.
Humm, Neither was Montana (3rd round) or Brady (6th Round). Go back and look at Montana`s Bowl Games and look at VY Bowl Games.
http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016306.html
Think there is a similarity to their winning
jaayteetx
All Pro
Kinda wish this was like "Survivor" and we could all just vote off everybody that threatens to leave the team, for whatever reasons! Like its been said before, if your willing to bail out that easy, you must not have been a true fan in the first place. Good riddings to all of you! Go Texans!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
aj. said:
That pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. Young and Bush both looked intriguing but so does trading down. Basically, I hope they made/make the right choice.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If Carr was traded we would not see Hulk here much more....he is a Carr fan first, Texans fan by proxy. We have a ton of Fresno fans who would not be here if Carr was not here. They are Texans fans too....but you have to have some perspective when you read some of these guys posts.HoustonFrog said:
Meisterman
Waterboy
8 million dollar extension for this YUGO carr is laughable. Nice to see "Lame Duck" GM Casserly is sticking by his man.
If McNair was smart....he'd lock Casserly out of the war room on Draft day.
My God....are the underachieving Oilers still in town?
If McNair was smart....he'd lock Casserly out of the war room on Draft day.
My God....are the underachieving Oilers still in town?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Fighting Blue Hen said:
I disagree with that. Prior to last season Carr was the QB of a franchise that was improving every single year. 4, 5 , and then 7 wins had everyone happy and 90% of the posters here who are upset that we're not trading in our current QB for Vince "Captain Amazing" Young were nowhere to be seen.
One season where the entire team suffers a setback and all of a sudden he's crap that we need to kick to the curb? I disagree.
Coach C.
Veteran
Herv this is interesting to see from you. You are one of the guys that sees Carr for what he is a solid QB, who has some faults that have to be worked on. Good to see you back on, just wanted to add in the 7 win season he was one of the better QBs in the league as far as Passer Rating and yds. This is also even though a horrible year his second year in a row throwing more TDs than INTs.
Coach C. said:
ditto...Extending Carr's contract was the only sensible thing to do given McNair and the fans want to see a winning team now - not 5 years from now as well as from a monetary/business point of view. Now that this little issue is settled, let us return to pre-draft VY days and support our team rather than tearing down every move they make. Last season is over - look forward to a great year next year. Go Texans!
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I think some people are confusing the questions that others have of Carr. I had no problem until last year and then I watched games more closely and saw things I did not like...work ethic questions, abilities not to fetal and throw balls away, etc. What it all comes down to it for me it isn't taking VY. My problem is that this contract deal with him is bigger than our #1 pick, to some extent, IMHO. You are giving franchise QB money to someone who might not take you anywhere for the next 3 years and who, so far, is only a "good" or "decent" QB. Nothing against the guy but sometimes everyone needs a fresh start......................................and please stop with "VY or whomever would set us back. We have seen playoff teams in Pitt, Cincy, Chicago to some extent...Brady in his second year that put things together. Their teams were better but there is no reason that a good QB in a new system, etc would not be able to make strides.
There has always been a faction of fans who have not liked Carr. Why? Because the QB gets too much credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses. And when a team goes 18-46, theres a lot of blame to deal with. Fans wanted blood this offseason, and Capers, Pendry, and Fangio were not enough to satisfy.Hervoyel said:
I think if Casserly had been axed, and the new organization decided to keep Carr, there would be less venom towards David. I think if Vince had stayed in school, there would be less venom towards David. But until the Texans begin to win, Carr will always have his detractors. Thats just the nature of the position.
Meisterman
Waterboy
Marcus said:
If Casserly had no say so as GM then why wasn't he fired...the mire suggestion that Reeves opinion means more then the ACTING GM tells me all I need to know.
MorKnolle
All Pro
TEXANRED said:
On the radio yesterday they basically said that he had agreed to take the job but the terms of the deal hadn't been finalized as he was on a family vacation or something like that. He is supposed to come in over the weekend or early next week to sign and start working.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Lucky said:
It really is about the volume of his detractors as it relates to his contract. He was, is and will be the highest paid guy on this team. The buck stops there. If the guy was paid more in line with his performance then it would not be as loud. The whole QB credit thing is overblown in my opinion at the NFL level. Makes for nice debate in HS and College. But in the NFL it is about value and we all hope that Carr's performance will live up to the contract finally.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Vinny said:10%'er at your service Herv.
Yes I know. You are consistent and your current position is a clear evolution of things you've been saying for years. Your take is based on facts and years of studying the Carr's game.
There are more of you "10%'ers" out there and I have no issue with them. It's those guys with a 110 posts who just showed up 30 minutes after the Rose Bowl ended that I take issue with.
Lucky said:
I've never thought David belonged in the future great quarterback league. I really didn't know much about him until he started playing for the Texans. While I've loved his arm from Day one, it wasn't till he had AJ, before I thought he could be our Troy Aikman.... and to some extent, I still think he can be very Aikman like, but to a lesser degree for sure. I doubt seriously, that he can take the Texans to a SuperBowl. A couple of playoff wins, maybe..
Last season was great.. I mean 2004, the 7-9 season. We looked like a frigg'n football team. I definitely got my hopes up wayyyyy to high this season, I was thinking Wildcard.
But since the begginning, I've always thought 90% of the QBs in the league would do about as well as David behind our line, on our team.
I think Vince, can be one of the 10% of QBs who could've done better.
I know that's been your central problem with Carr and I know that others feel the same way. But I don't see that's where the "volume" of Carr detractors come from. There just aren't as many cap savvy fans such as yourself.Kaiser Toro said:
And let's face it, almost all QBs are overpaid. Ask infantrycak whether or not he thinks Peyton Manning is overpaid. That's part of the "too much credit" that goes to QBs. NFL teams are just as guilty of overvalueing QBs as fans are.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Lucky said:
I wrote the same thing on the top of this page. Franchise money to an average QB as it stands right now. Playing to the level of the contract is what worries me. It isn't like owners have made msitakes before and there is part of me that thinks we are just too attached to him. Hopefully it all works out for us.
I'm stoked that they are giving Carr his extention. 
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
Wordem said:
The only loser is you......Good Bye
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Cute remarks make this board fun. Besides it was aimed more on the bandwagon Young fans that are all of sudden Texans fans. I brought up the point a couple of months ago how if the offense is not good and fans give Carr a short leash, the there really was no point in picking up his bonus, he's damaged goods in the psyche of the UT fans. So by letting Carr go and drafting Young you put the rise or fall on many fans. I don't know how many there are, but there seems to be quite a bit. What they don't realize is the struggle this team is going through and that we just hired a brand new coach we have to implement a new system, draft in new positions for a 4-3 if we change to that, and the fact that it took Jake Plummer a couple of years to attain his level in the same kind of system. It won't be turned around in 2 seconds, no matter the QB.aj. said:
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I know you just didn't play the Brady card on me.CaptainPatriot said:
That argument has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
First of all yes Montana was taken in the 3rd round, but who was begging for him with the 1st ovrl. pick......NOBODY.
Yes Brady was taken in the 6th round, but who was begging for him with the first ovrl. pick.......NOBODY.
In my argument I questioned why if people truly believed if Carr wasn't the guy at qb, then why haven't people also included Matt Lienart (btw, cause he isn't from Texas) who is a higher rated qb into the discussion with Vince who are just about the only QBs worth taking with our #1 ovrl pick.
By your logic you must assume we should just draft a QB who is projected to go inbetween rounds 3-6 with our #1 ovrl. pick, why because Montana was a 3rd rounder and Brady was a 6th round pick......yeah, that would get us laughed out of the country and straight to the CFL.
Montana and Brady are completely irrelevant to my argument
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
Guess what......You can take that jersey and go sell it on ebay or something, VY will never be in a Texans Jersey......Thank the Lord.......For bringing back David Carr!!!!!Bamboo said:
beerlover
Hall of Fame
infantrycak said:
this is what all Texans fans hope for
to discuss these issues is what this message board should be all about. now, by extending David Carr he remains the Texans franchise QB, if..... the Texans do not draft VY they had better get Reggie Bush to at least put people back in their seats & fill Relient, otherwise nothing short of winning will ever bring them back 
ism can only carry you so far.The Texans have sold quite a few David Carr #8 jersey's yet I wonder today with the announced extension that sales are really all that brisk
now give us a #10 or #5 and watch the sales ring the cash register. its still a buisness & while trading down may make good football sense taking Reggie Bush, if its not going to be Vince Young is the only acceptable conclusion to this signing 
DRAMA
Rookie
Carr Bomb said:
The boo-birds will not be back this year. You're going to to see a different staff and a different attacking offense, IMO and just the thought that we may see some excitement on any given play, will make it all the more fun to watch.
We need to remember - Capers and thet Pendry cat are gone - they're just a nightmare now!
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Every move the organization makes is a pivital move that will effect us for years:Htown34s said:
Last year we took T. Johnson and if we can't find a way to turn him into any kind of impact player, it'll effect us for years.
If P Buch can't remember that at one time he was a great prospect and a football player it'll effect us and is already effecting us.
The offensive line and personel decisions we made on the line have all ready have been effecting us for years.
Our FA decisions and some of the players we cut and let go to FA have been effecting us for years.
We also have made some good decisions that have effected us in a good way.
Like drafting AJ, Drob, DD, Mathis, and others and hopefully the hire of Kubiak will effect us in a positive way for years to come.
The point I'm trying to get at is all the decisions the FO makes is about faith, they have faith that they'll make the right decision and everything will work out. There is no difference in the decision to keep Carr, the FO have weighed all their options and have Faith that they made the right decision.
Regardless of how it turns out I can garrantee you one thing....It will not be the last good or bad decision we make.
So people shouldn't be running around like the legacy of this franchise is riding on this ONE DECISION (I'm not directing this at you, its just a observation of the mood thats been running rampid since our season ended and Vince declared)
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
ToroFan said:
You would get a resounding no from me, but as others have reminded me I am not a GM.
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
Htown34s said:
Like selecting a QB from TU will help this organization. I love to hear VY fans cry today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It makes me sooooooo happy
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
The boo-birds are gonna swarm with every incompletions, every time bush gets tackled behind the LOS.DRAMA said:The boo-birds will not be back this year. You're going to to see a different staff and a different attacking offense, IMO and just the thought that we may see some excitement on any given play, will make it all the more fun to watch.
We need to remember - Capers and thet Pendry cat are gone - they're just a nightmare now!
TEXANRED
Texan-American
This is an old topic but I stand by what I said last year. If you are gonna boo the home team then stay at home and sulk somewhere in a dark corner. In our time of struggles and uncertainty we need to get back to a positive "We belive" kind of place. Not the negativeness the booing brings.Big B Texan Fan said:
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Hulk75 said:
Really!!I thought it was a legitimate post. OK, here is what we are going to do. When you get out of your RIF class you can review the posts again and see what I actually said instead of your inane attacks. I want Bush and don't want VY. It is a money issue and you didn't answer it because you are too busy putting on lipstick before going over to Carr's house. Simmer. Fine if we sign him. I'm worried about the cash. If he continues to struggle will you keep screaming at people for no reason?
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
chuckm said:
I'm sure I shouldn't have posted that but oh well.
I don't want VY, want Bush and have been pretty neautral on the rest. Didn't go to UT either..obviously. I guess talking about David Carroesh and the cult following is a nono.
chuckm
Veteran
HoustonFrog said:I'm sure I shouldn't have posted that but oh well.
see now everyone will know that it was you the other day that started the trouble and not me ....
(you know I'm messin with you)
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
chuckm said:see now everyone will know that it was you the other day that started the trouble and not me ....
(you know I'm messin with you)
LOL..I took a few days off so it wasn't me. Honestly, I just don't know why I get attacked by the guy. He wanted me off the board another time and I said nothing. Anyways........
$$$$$$$$$$, is all I'm woried about with this contract. Money for production. That goes for the team and the FA we have brought in.
ToroFan said:
$15million for 3 years.... oops, forgot the bonus. $23 million for three years($7.6 mil/year)....
well, if Alex Smith got $50million for 4 years($12.5 mil/year), I think it's a pretty good deal.
I doubt anyone would've picked him up for more than a year, but I think they would've given him at least $8 million for the year.
Coach C.
Veteran
Carr would likely get a multi-year deal that would be similar to Jake Plummer's. It will make him moveable for 2years and then a large option to be paid or restructured if he is the man wherever he ended up. Glad he is not getting free though, wish they would have restructured the deal completely giving him the opportunity to earn the bonus back over the next two years.
Rickker20 said:
What would really be bad, is if the Texans fans boo Carr, and cheer for Vince as a Titan. That would truly sicken me.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Rickker20 said:
Your "what's going to happen" is based on a number of silly assumptions, and yet I can't help but notice you pose the question as factual.
What's going to happen when In-Vince-able loses a game or two or nine next year, while David Carr leads this team to a 9-7 record? Will you still be asking silly questions then?
Blake
MMQB
Rickker20 said:would the oilers have pass on drafting Earl Campbell? I could not imagine Campbell not playing for the oilers just because he was from Texas. Remember this words and think about it later if the Texans do not pick VY and go with the "Mattress on my back Carr" they will be sorry.
You make it sound like the Texans dock you for being from Texas. What a silly thing to say. Stop your crying.