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Carr Extended for 3 Years

Give Carr a chance behind a line that is properly coached. A line with so-so players with proper coaching could do wonders.
 
Grid said:
Tsip you keep bringing up my lack of posts during the season..but every time i explain it to you, you shut up for a week or so till you can bring it up again.

Im not explaining it again. Get over it.. I was here..I never abandoned the team.. im not a fairweather fan..i read the board every day... i already explained my whole freakin daily routine during the season in another thread. Im tired of your bull**** accusations.

get...over...it.
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Cool your blood presure Grid. Just put the guy on ignore. I have several duffas's there. Works wonders. :ok:
 
He has no seats, empty threats from another wannabe fan. I'm thinking I should begin making threats....lets see, if we draft VY, I'm gonna paint my house Burnt Orange...don't laugh, I could be YOUR neighbor :)
 
aj. said:
Berman just said it will be the 3 year deal.

He also said that Sherman will sign...soon
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Well fine if we have to keep him but can I argue the merits of 2 years?Even Palillo said today that it would be dumb for them to go three years and I trust his opinion more than anyone in this town. Annoying but smart. You could go 2 and if there are still questions he is gone and if he is a huge success then you don't care about paying him like a franchise QB.

Also some of you extremist need to step back from the computer and stop hating so much. VY didn't sleep with your wife. I want Bush and don't like Carr and I didn't go to UT. There are many of us with reasonable views on the team who feel you don't have to sit there and be up McNair's tail. We are 2-14 for a reason.
 
Wordem said:
If you want to support a perennial loser, be my guest. There are more people in Houston who agree with me. How'd you like those empty seats at Reliant? Get used to it.
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I don't think VY is going to change that all by himself:brickwall
 
LCOOL said:
VY will be a Titan just watch! So Carr will be staying lets just see how he does in his fifth year, on Mike and Mike this morning they both said they think carr will flourish next season, we shall see.
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I'm not a draft Young guy so.....ok. I hope the best for Carr.
 
I'm glad we only have had one poster (Wordem) who has said he won't be a Texans fan anymore. Anyone that believes that the Texans will be a perennial loser after only 4 years of existence, well, you have the right to your opinion, but quite frankly, it's a dumb one. Saying the Texans will be a perennial loser because they won't draft Young is just plain stupid. Last I saw, Young hadn't done anything in the NFL. For every Warren Moon, Steve Young and John Elway there's a Cade McCown, Akili Smith, and Ryan Leaf. David Carr is neither of the six. He probably won't be a lights out Hall of Fame type QB, but I sure don't see anything in him that makes me invision Ryan Leaf on the field. We don't even know how Vince Young will turn out in the pros. Because he was a great college QB doesn't mean he'll pan out in the pros. For those of you (if there are any) who say they won't be Texans fans because VY won't be chosen, then good riddance, we don't need fans like you.
 
TexanSam said:
For those of you (if there are any) who say they won't be Texans fans because VY won't be chosen, then good riddance, we don't need fans like you.
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I wonder if Bob McNair feels the same?

Just playing devils advocate.

While I think we should draft VY, I'm not one of the ones that will abandon the team if we don't. Will I be disappointed? Yes...but I'm an old Oilers fan and have been hurt and disappointed by my team too many times in too many ways to give up on them. However, I don't want to have to experience those feelings about my current team. We'll see. I sure haven't been too encouraged w/ what I've seen so far, but I do think that things are looking up w/ our new coaching staff and potential draft picks.
 
jerek said:
Wow, that was quick. There goes another leg, chopped out from underneath the "conspiracy to smokescreen the entire league and draft Vince" argument. The funny thing is someone got verbose on us not re-signing Carr only earlier today (Big B, was that you?)

Getting a little shaky now?
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It's kinda like lighting a cig while waiting for food to arrive only to find out that as soon as the first puff gets taken your food arrives.

And of course they were gonna pick it up, i mentioned in that post that i expected them too. Just curious as to why they don't offer him a new contract worth more $$ if they're that sold on him while passing on 2 if not 3 of the best QB prospects in a while in the draft while owning the #1 pick. Maybe they plan on offering him a new contract during mid-season of this next season if they somehow wind up like 6-2 at the halfway point n the season and carr has alot to do with it. Let's just hope that can happen.

If this team is not even considerring VY/Leinert/D'Brick/etc... and are just dead-set on Bush, then that would lead me to believe that they were losing games on purpose there towards the end. That would be something we'd never know, just something left up to the imagination. If were true though, it'd be very Pete Rose-esque/Black Sox-esque. They better hope it never leaks out if it is true, although I doubt it is.

How am I supposed to believe this organization is thinking with their football caps on with this decision when damn near every other draft decision made has fizzled on them like a wet bottle rocket. Examples:
*Carr -over peppers??????????
*Gaffney -was a redshirt sophomore when we drafted him, are you kidding me, that was the best we could do with our 2nd overall pick in team history?
*Pitts -(small school product) had never played grade school ball and we draft him to play guard with our 3rd overall pick in team history. I thought guards were able to be found in later rounds. Pitts was a 10yd penalty machine in his 1st season and was also mostly responsible for alot ofthe sax carr suffered in seaon 1. He has shaped up though to be a servicable OT
*Hollings -Supp draft with a 2nd rd' rwe got from the raiders that wound up being a top 3 pick in the 2nd rd
*Joppru - was there a pre-existing injury we didn't investigate enough. With the amount of background work done on P-Buch (or lack thereof) this leads me to believe within a shadow of a doubt that there very could've been something but casserly failed to unearth it.
*Wand -(small school product) was a project. Why do we want projects with a 3rd rd pick. Especially in our situation of building this team from scratch.
*Peek -another small scool guy (not so small though) brought in to play a position that he never has had played before in college? Plus he's as dumb as a box of dirty rox. Car stolen with his playbook in it. Suspended for a game or 2? But we were sold on him and passed on Merriman and DJ Johnson
*Ragone -when quized about this pick Cass defended himself by saying that Gibbs taught him that you can never have enough QB's. He did unearth DD in the next rd and said that you can always find good quality back in the later rd's. Now it seems as though he's gonna do a 360 against that theory. The contradictions are pouring down like DE's on a QB named Carr.
*Babin -we gave up our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, an swapped spots in the 5th with the Titans of all teams for this guy from a small school to play a position he had not played in college. What's up with projects. We need guys that can play. What exactly is Websters' definition of "Bamboozled". The swapping of the 5th rd'rs was horrible cuz they were a playoff team with late round pix and we were top 12 each round. I know it's not Babins' fault but it is our problem though. We did get Earl with that late 5th though but that was also a roll of the dice since he had a broken leg and missed most of his senior season. The guy can't stay out of fights though.
*TJ -we already had too many DT's, why would we stay thin at a position where we just lost a starter and a team leading tackler (LB) and stockpile on a position where were heavy as well as move down. Did we think that after a 7-9 season that were a player or 2 away. The answer was yes cuz.....
*P-Buch -we gave up a 2nd and the 3rd we got for the Henson trade that we stole from the Cowboys.

No team has made that many mistakes in this short of time while building/rebuilding in a long time.
So how am I to believe and feel comfortable that the team will make the right decision with the draft much less any other decision. My kids could do better.

Too many poor decisions, my patience is weaing thin.
 
To any and all that would kick the Texans to the curb b/c they pick up Carr's option and not draft VY... PEEEEEEEEEEEEAACE!!!!! Y'all were never fans anyway.

The season hasn't even started yet.
 
I Wont Quit being a fan i love the texans even if they do make the second biggest mistake in franchise history. i was with out football for too long to give up on my team but it is sad that some players get a free pass for mediocre play at best.

OH and the biggest mistake is related with the second we could of had J. Peppers.
 
Those of you that are fuming at the news need to recognize that the team is doing what they feel is best for the future - like it or not. I am a proponent of grabbing Bush with the first pick. However, if they decide to trade down, I will live with that decision and keep the faith in Kubiak.

By the way, I just picked up two additional PSL's this year and would love it if some of you so called "fans" wanted to drop yours in favor of Direct TV...
 
Well that should stop the debate on should we trade him or not. I think our new head coach was happy to have him already here. We should stop all the negative crap on this board and back our QB. A house divided will not stand.

Now lets go get a OL.

D'Brickshaw Ferguson will be a good start.
 
this does'nt settle jack **** just thickens the plot, what else are the Texans going to do say they made a mistake when they took David Carr 1st overall in the 2002 NFL draft? Does that help them develop his value to the team or trade potential?

here is an interesting comment from prominent sports agent Leigh Steinberg who represents Southern California QB Matt Leinart, expected to be one of the first three players selected this year, said he believes no team, especially Houston, which holds the top pick, will tip its hand until the last week in April, possibly going right up to the morning of the draft. According to Steinberg, who was quoted in an article in the Austin American Statesman as saying “It's in Houston's interest to play it out to the very last second, They will maximize their options."
 
Hulk75 said:
Go Longhorns.....:rolleyes:
He must have done something right to be with the Washington Redskins for 30years. I believe they won a couple Super Bowls as well and Charlie cant go to the bathroom any more without Mr.McNairs say so.
But most important Go Longhorns.......:rolleyes:
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?? Go cheer for your Longhorns somewhere else. BTW, what does that have to do with Casserly. I don't think he went to UT.

BTW, if you're pimping Casserly than your credibility has just gone out the window. Casserly wasn't responsible for any of their Super Bowls. He inherited one Super Bowl and when Gibbs left, his true colors came out in the form of brilliant #1 draft picks like Heath Schuler and Desmond Howard. His draft record at Washington was brutal, even worse than it has been here.
 
beerlover said:
this does'nt settle jack **** just thickens the plot, what else are the Texans going to do say they made a mistake when they took David Carr 1st overall in the 2002 NFL draft? Does that help them develop his value to the team or trade potential?

here is an interesting comment from prominent sports agent Leigh Steinberg who represents Southern California QB Matt Leinart, expected to be one of the first three players selected this year, said he believes no team, especially Houston, which holds the top pick, will tip its hand until the last week in April, possibly going right up to the morning of the draft. According to Steinberg, who was quoted in an article in the Austin American Statesman as saying “It's in Houston's interest to play it out to the very last second, They will maximize their options."
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Well they got rid of capers. Why don't we find out if it is a coaching issue befor we burn down the entire house.
Yes it is to our advantage to keep them guessing on what our plans are for the draft.:homer:
 
From McClains column:

"Carr’s extension calls for the $8 million bonus and base salaries of $5.25 million this year, $5.5 million in 2007 and $6 million in 2008. As the top pick in the 2002 draft, Carr already has made $22 million over his first four years, not counting incentive bonuses. Barring a career-ending injury and a restructuring for salary-cap purposes, Carr will earn $46.75 million over the first seven years of his career."

BF mine. Am I the only one who thinks this is criminal?
 
Blame Casserly. I guess we should arrest all those other QBs that made a lot of money and didn't produce. Or we could give Carr another chance with Kubiak, afterall it isn't my money that he's making.
 
They have to sign Carr whatever they intend to do, though I don't think the front office is bright enough, or tough enough, to do what needs doing. Instead they'll sign him and keep him at least a couple years hoping that he coaches up to mediocre from his present slot as a total loss farm.

Given the kind of football that I expect Kubiak wants to play, Carr could be fine.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
Blame Casserly. I guess we should arrest all those other QBs that made a lot of money and didn't produce. Or we could give Carr another chance with Kubiak, afterall it isn't my money that he's making.
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They all act like it's thier money though.
 
tex said:
They all act like it's thier money though.
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No, I think it's more the idea that if our owner is going to spend that much money on someone....that someone should, at the very least, produce. If they don't produce, get rid of them and use that money on someone that is worth it.:crying:
 
The previous coaching staff and the O-line that collected their checks are the ones guilty of robbery...not Carr
 
I'm glad that we are clearing that up and not letting it linger any longer, I was starting to think that more major changes were on the way. Face it Young fans, this was the nail in you coffin, no need to whine anymore, we are not drafting him. So, see ya, take care and go log on to the 3 other NFL teams' message boards that are in the hunt for him and state your case for him there. It didn't work here.

Now that that is over, I hope we concentrate on the offensive line and defense as a whole.
 
SESupergenius said:
I'm glad that we are clearing that up and not letting it linger any longer, I was starting to think that more major changes were on the way. Face it Young fans, this was the nail in you coffin, no need to whine anymore, we are not drafting him. So, see ya, take care and go log on to the 3 other NFL teams' message boards that are in the hunt for him and state your case for him there. It didn't work here.

Now that that is over, I hope we concentrate on the offensive line and defense as a whole.
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What are you talking about?? Everything is going exactly as I planned. Kubiak said he's going to give David every opportunity to be successful in the NFL. Personally, I'd have picked up the option for two years, but the three year thing gives us a bit more leverage to trade him for the 2008 season.

Personally, I think what they do with Wells' contract is more telling about what they plan to do in the draft that David's........ Vince or no Vince, we need a tackling dummy until the Oline starts gel'n. David's Resume speaks for itself....
 
SESupergenius said:
Face it Young fans, this was the nail in you coffin, no need to whine anymore, we are not drafting him. So, see ya, take care and go log on to the 3 other NFL teams' message boards that are in the hunt for him and state your case for him there. It didn't work here.
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I wanted Young - not a Longhorns fan so save the cute remarks Hulk - but I'm a Texans fan first so I'm not going anywhere. I'll live with their decision because I really have no choice. Carr is getting a second chance and hopefully he can turn his career around. If he can, that's great for all of us. If he can't, this will be the worst decision made by management in the formative years of the organization. I hope he succeeds - for all of our sake. Right or wrong, fans will not have a lot of patience with him this season and he will need to turn it around quickly.
 
aj. said:
Right or wrong, fans will not have a lot of patience with him this season and he will need to turn it around quickly.
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That is right, I've been thinking the same thing-How patient are fans at Reliant going to be? I think they'll give him and this team about 6 weeks before the boo birds come out again.
 
SESupergenius said:
I'm glad that we are clearing that up and not letting it linger any longer, I was starting to think that more major changes were on the way. Face it Young fans, this was the nail in you coffin, no need to whine anymore, we are not drafting him. So, see ya, take care and go log on to the 3 other NFL teams' message boards that are in the hunt for him and state your case for him there. It didn't work here.
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Actually SES, as much as I'd love to agree with you, I'd have to go with beerlover on this one . . . it just thickens the plot. The Drew Breez/Phillip Rivers situation in SD makes me wonder, although not that much. Extending Carr for the 3 years, on one hand, makes him "untradeable" cap-wise, but on the other hand, maximizes his trade "value".

Other than that, I believe the FO has to look at this Carr/Bush/VY thing in only one light. They either add a running back, or switch quarterbacks. Even if they were to concede that a Vince Young, who has yet to play a down in the NFL, is indeed better than a 4-year David Carr, the difference between the two certainly would not be worth the cost of giving up Reggie Bush.
 
Frills said:
The previous coaching staff and the O-line that collected their checks are the ones guilty of robbery...not Carr
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As much as he gets hit, the offensive line should pay his salary, and for insurance.
 
Nighthawk said:
BF mine. Am I the only one who thinks this is criminal?
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I dunno....but I know Gary Kubiak doesn't think its criminal. Do you consider
yourself a better authority on NFL QBs than the new HC ? And if you are as dissatisfied about the endorsement by Kubiak of one of the teams key players
as you claim you are, you really ought to pack your bags up and go support
another team. I know I would.
 
Isnt there already a thread for this under "Carr gets extension today."

This isnt going to be one of those, 10 threads for the same topic is it? :spy:
 
chuckm said:
this article on ESPN is a bit more informative and objective than John "I Luv VY" McClain's ...
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Former NFL head coach Dan Reeves, who served as a consultant to Texans owner Bob McNair, recommended keeping Carr, the top overall choice in the 2002 draft. First-year head coach Gary Kubiak, who has a strong reputation around the league for developing quarterbacks and whose presence could enhance Carr's performance, apparently gave him a strong endorsement, too.

At one point during the season, Houston officials considered the possibility of exercising the two-year option. The Texans also reviewed which NFL franchises might need a quarterback of starting caliber in the next few years, in the event they decided to trade Carr.

They have never come close, however, to putting Carr on the market.
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:wow:
 
"Former NFL head coach Dan Reeves, who served as a consultant to Texans owner Bob McNair, recommended keeping Carr, the top overall choice in the 2002 draft. First-year head coach Gary Kubiak, who has a strong reputation around the league for developing quarterbacks and whose presence could enhance Carr's performance, apparently gave him a strong endorsement, too."
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Thanks for the ESPN link ChuckM, the story is much more accurate without the McClain/Chronicle/610 Spin machine.
 
chuckm said:
Kaiser ... don't you ever sleep???? hey wait I'm here too :loser
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It wouldn't be a Carr thread, unless I had something to poo poo on now would it? :) It's never too early for the gas can.
 
Marcus said:
Actually SES, as much as I'd love to agree with you, I'd have to go with beerlover on this one . . . it just thickens the plot. The Drew Breez/Phillip Rivers situation in SD makes me wonder, although not that much. Extending Carr for the 3 years, on one hand, makes him "untradeable" cap-wise, but on the other hand, maximizes his trade "value".

Other than that, I believe the FO has to look at this Carr/Bush/VY thing in only one light. They either add a running back, or switch quarterbacks. Even if they were to concede that a Vince Young, who has yet to play a down in the NFL, is indeed better than a 4-year David Carr, the difference between the two certainly would not be worth the cost of giving up Reggie Bush.
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it makes him untradable this year. spread that bonus over 4 years, 2005, 2006, 2007, & 2008. we're looking at a cap hit of $2million this year. After this year, $4million dollars is gone, so to trade him after 2006 will cost us $4million to the cap..... after 2007, it'll hit us only $2million..... trading him after 2006 or 2007 is now a possibility. It's up to him now, to get his stock up, so we can get draft picks, or players(my preference) worth a $4million cap hit, that we can sign for much less.
 
nunusguy said:
"Former NFL head coach Dan Reeves, who served as a consultant to Texans owner Bob McNair, recommended keeping Carr, the top overall choice in the 2002 draft. First-year head coach Gary Kubiak, who has a strong reputation around the league for developing quarterbacks and whose presence could enhance Carr's performance, apparently gave him a strong endorsement, too."
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Thanks for the ESPN link ChuckM, the story is much more accurate without the McClain/Chronicle/610 Spin machine.
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God dog, nunusguy, that's friggen perfect! If you created a thread called the "The McClain/Chronicle/610 Spin Machine", boy, I go nuts in that one.:)
 
They said he'll be at work monday, even though they haven't worked out a contract.
 
Hulk75 said:
There was no question from the front office, just your guys questions.
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Hulk, again, in your overly aggressive manner you missed the whole point. I SAID "You could go 2 and IF there are STILL questions.." you can move on. It is a simple business move and nothing to do with drafting VY. If you'd read posts long enough you'd know I'm for taking Bush. What made you so angry?
 
Wordem said:
If you want to support a perennial loser, be my guest. There are more people in Houston who agree with me. How'd you like those empty seats at Reliant? Get used to it.
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I don't think so. Ya'know, I don't really post on here all that much, but I'm just about fed up with the whiners. If y'all want to sell your season tickets, SELL THEM!! Good riddance, see you later. Just quit threatening that you're going to do it and do it. I know plenty of people ready to buy them.
 
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