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Capers Chagrined
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Wolf said:wow.. 2-14 record and we were overconfident now
confident teams pick up 3rd and short on offense..
confindent teams pick up the 3rd and 6 pass over the middle.
confident teams stop teams on 3rd and 9 or 3rd and short.
confident teams make the plays
In that game, it was obvious they were with a third-string QB taking over and all. Then again, I was there. And there is a difference between "confident" and "overconfident" which is exactly what I was getting at. Might want to check the ole dictionary on that one.
Wolf
100% Texan
Bobo said:
and again.. confident teams pick up the tough yards on offense
and confident teams stop teams when they need to be
I really don't know how a team can come into a game "overconfident" when you have 2 wins under your belt and fighting for the #1 pick in the draft ..along with a 30ish ranking on offense and a 30ish ranking on defense..no pass protection, no pass rush..
Wolfiegrrl
Fan of NFC Seahawks & AFC Texans
Honestly BoBo, if Capers is such a head coaching genius why didn't he get another head coaching position. Hell, why did he lose is first head coaching job? Some people aren't made to be head coaches. I'll give Capers his well deserved props for putting together good defenses. 2003 defense wasn't that bad and 2004 offense & defense gave us hope... but what the hell happened in 2005? Who do you blame BoBo?
Something went horribly wrong in H-Town. It doesn't matter if it was the GM, the Head Coach, the OC, the DC or any of the other coaches, there was no fire in the bellies of any Texan player nor any Texan coach on the field for Houston last year. No one was on the same page. I don't know how many times I had to suffer through the camera crews focusing in on Capers open mouthed dumb struck look.
When you have your quarterback BEGGING you to fix the o-line, you don't add timed plays and hope your craptastic offensive linemen can hold together. And speaking of the QB, what's a guy to do to avoid sacks when you only have .18 seconds to get the ball and throw it? I guess throwing it out of bounds is an option, but then we would have been 0-16 then wouldn't we. Of course, now you're going to argue the fact that Carr should have been able to read the defense and magically know there was going to be a guy open down field. Hell, when he got the chance, it seemed that no one last year could catch the damned ball.
Everyone in the Houston organization is to blame for the horrible season we had last year. McNair, Casserly, Capers, Pendry, Fangio, Hoke, Carr, Johnson, Davis, McKinney, Riley... everyone! I'm tired of reading about you pointing fingers to everyone but Capers. He has as much blame, if not more, for the piss poor excuse of a football team he led onto the field last year.
This year starts fresh. I'm giving everyone a chance. Do you know why? Because no amount of my gripping and complaining is going to be heard by the powers that be in the Texans Front Office. Nothing I say or do will affect what happens with this team. Therefore, I'm all for rooting for the guys that get on that field and play this year. From the pictures of the OTAs and interviews, I see that fire that's been missing. And I'm more excited about football than I have been in years.
Something went horribly wrong in H-Town. It doesn't matter if it was the GM, the Head Coach, the OC, the DC or any of the other coaches, there was no fire in the bellies of any Texan player nor any Texan coach on the field for Houston last year. No one was on the same page. I don't know how many times I had to suffer through the camera crews focusing in on Capers open mouthed dumb struck look.
When you have your quarterback BEGGING you to fix the o-line, you don't add timed plays and hope your craptastic offensive linemen can hold together. And speaking of the QB, what's a guy to do to avoid sacks when you only have .18 seconds to get the ball and throw it? I guess throwing it out of bounds is an option, but then we would have been 0-16 then wouldn't we. Of course, now you're going to argue the fact that Carr should have been able to read the defense and magically know there was going to be a guy open down field. Hell, when he got the chance, it seemed that no one last year could catch the damned ball.
Everyone in the Houston organization is to blame for the horrible season we had last year. McNair, Casserly, Capers, Pendry, Fangio, Hoke, Carr, Johnson, Davis, McKinney, Riley... everyone! I'm tired of reading about you pointing fingers to everyone but Capers. He has as much blame, if not more, for the piss poor excuse of a football team he led onto the field last year.
This year starts fresh. I'm giving everyone a chance. Do you know why? Because no amount of my gripping and complaining is going to be heard by the powers that be in the Texans Front Office. Nothing I say or do will affect what happens with this team. Therefore, I'm all for rooting for the guys that get on that field and play this year. From the pictures of the OTAs and interviews, I see that fire that's been missing. And I'm more excited about football than I have been in years.
TwinSisters
Veteran
tsip said:
Here's the difference though, Belichick gives the props to his man Pioli for getting the right goods.
"Scott Pioli joined the New England Patriots on Feb. 10, 2000 and has worked in concert with Head Coach Bill Belichick to build some of the most successful teams in NFL history. After arriving in New England, it took the pair just two seasons to rebuild the foundation of the team and to successfully implement their shared football philosophy."
"The primary objective of Pioli's personnel philosophy is to build a team, not to simply collect individual talent. As a result, the Patriots have been able to prosper despite the NFL realities of injuries and the salary cap, which have proven in the past to be impediments to long-term success in pro football."
Now are we saying Capers is a Belichick? No.
How do you know if Casserly fetched a load of duds?
Do really honestly think that the Patriots players are on the same level as the Texans? That if Capers went to New England and Belichick came to Houston... would the Patriots go 4-12/2-14 and the Texans ( whatever the Patriots went last year 10-6 or something like that ) would have the record that the Patriots had.
I bet not... I bet you would see a Belichick's Browns and a Capers Panthers.
Maybe we would have 6-10 or another 7-9 and possibly an 8-8 with the same injuries. And what would that have done us? Drafting Matt Leinert?
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Ibar_Harry said:
EEEK! Fixed.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
I'm guessing Jamie Sharper, Aaron Glenn, Coleman, Walker, Foreman, Foley, Gaffney, Ragone, Wells etc.. all couldnt wait to say glowing things about the Capers era as coach here eh??
Oh wait thats right they have allready said some things that were not so great and couldnt wait to get on the bus to get out of town as fast as possible.
IMO from my own playing experience - Players recognize a winner and a loser. Winners court Winning and well Losers court Trying not to lose. IMO Capers showed himself to be in the latter category time and again for 4 years to the point the team lost all confidence in him.
Oh wait thats right they have allready said some things that were not so great and couldnt wait to get on the bus to get out of town as fast as possible.
IMO from my own playing experience - Players recognize a winner and a loser. Winners court Winning and well Losers court Trying not to lose. IMO Capers showed himself to be in the latter category time and again for 4 years to the point the team lost all confidence in him.
TwinSisters
Veteran
Double Barrel said:You're kiddin' me, right?
The Texans never had a single lead in the first six games of the 2005 season. A record, I might add, that hasn't been touched since the NFL of the 1930's!!
No, we didn't get blown out every single game...hey, we won two!
LOL, what!
I don't think you are being a very nice fella draggin that out.
S
SESupergenius
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LEt's see, Gaffney, a 2nd round pick couldn't beat out Bradford for the majority of his tenure here in Houston and he goes to team who's #1 reciever caught a total of 1 TD pass last year. And Bradford is competing against Mike (AWOL) Williams and Charles (Plexiglass II) Rogers, of which both combined for 2 total TD's last year. Yep, I'm still taking Kubiaks picks over these two underachievers.Bobo said:
Sure I'd still take Kubiaks picks. One thing that Wells won't bring to this team is veteran leadership and playoff experience, something you'd wouldn't expect from a 3rd stringer. At a relatively low price tag, Smith brings an aweful lot more than Wells......and his 4.0 ypc was more than Well's last year, not bad for "over the hill" guy. You are really reaching with the "washed" out thing with the Saints, he was a backup RB, they weren't looking for him to be their featured back. LOL. Cook isn't a super FB but at least has some stats, Moran was used basically as a blocker so you can not base ANY of your judgement on his running back or receiving skills. At least we know that Cook can block AND catch the ball out of the backfield. With all the other assessments he has to make, I don't fault Kubiak with going in a safer direction here at fullback.Bobo said:
I basically view that as a Rosenfels for Banks, which is exactly what they are listed as in their respective rolls for the Texans....the #2 QB. Banks was handed the reigns last year and fell flat on his face. Rosenfels had a better QB rating than Banks last year. We already know what Banks is uncapable of, let's not hang on to him too much longer and what better way to bring in a new backup QB than in a year with a completely new systems where every QB has to fight for his position.Bobo said:
"Here's the difference though, Belichick gives the props to his man Pioli for getting the right goods."
Coach B gives credit whereever/whenever it is due to who deserves it...he also accepts blame when things go wrong and has built a team around winning and not making excuses. Unlike Capers, B admits he made mistakes with the Browns and learned from them, not a strong point with Capers. I don't understand your point with the above quote because (a) Capers seldom praised anyone and (b) never accepted blame. My point is that a team can't base whether it can win or lose based upon its injury situation, a part of the game shared by every team. When a HC starts accepting/making excuses, I think that spreads like a 'cancer' throughout the team. For example, what happens if you lose half your starting line up in the first game to injury? Do you 'call out the calvary' or do you 'fold the tent and go home?
Coach B gives credit whereever/whenever it is due to who deserves it...he also accepts blame when things go wrong and has built a team around winning and not making excuses. Unlike Capers, B admits he made mistakes with the Browns and learned from them, not a strong point with Capers. I don't understand your point with the above quote because (a) Capers seldom praised anyone and (b) never accepted blame. My point is that a team can't base whether it can win or lose based upon its injury situation, a part of the game shared by every team. When a HC starts accepting/making excuses, I think that spreads like a 'cancer' throughout the team. For example, what happens if you lose half your starting line up in the first game to injury? Do you 'call out the calvary' or do you 'fold the tent and go home?
SESupergenius said:
A.) Banks was cut and Ragone was the #2 guy at the time ole Sage was brought in, so let's not try to make this bad move sound better by claiming it was a Banks for Rosenfels trade. B.) I quoted you the stats regarding Wells and Smith. Assuming you hadn't heard, Smith has washed out four separate times after being a first rounder. As a sub, Wells is just as good as Smith and proved it by what he did vs. the Cardinals. I do believe that Gaffney was ahead of Bradford on the depth chart last year, and you could make a weak argument that Moulds may be better than Bradford (certainly not Gaffney) but that argument gets shot to heck when you look at the boatload of money the Texans paid for a quitter who was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team last year, not to mention many of his #s are in decline. Also, I believe it's a stretch to bring in pass receiving for fullbacks into this argument since, with the Texans, the first order of business would be TO KEEP FOLKS OFF CARR and to open holes for Davis. Besides, Davis is the guy Carr would go to out of the backfield. With any kind of rush coming on Carr, I can't actually believe you would send both the fullback AND the tailback AND the TE out on pass routes. That kind of strategy will cause the necessity to challenge Rosenfels's mettle very, very early on in the season.
Wolf
100% Texan
wow is there a gas leak?
I like Gaffney but even with Moulds in decline ..it is still better than what Gaffney (who I like as a slot receiver) and Bradford have to offer.. Bradford had 4 years to keep the double teams off of AJ ..we might as well had Willie Gault on the other side
Please with the "quitter" thing I have posted different links to that and you have ignored the articles that talked about it..
I like Gaffney but even with Moulds in decline ..it is still better than what Gaffney (who I like as a slot receiver) and Bradford have to offer.. Bradford had 4 years to keep the double teams off of AJ ..we might as well had Willie Gault on the other side
Please with the "quitter" thing I have posted different links to that and you have ignored the articles that talked about it..
ism for Bradford and Capers,etc
Bobo said:They came out of the gate and lost two games -- one on the road against Buffalo that nobody expected them to win in the first place and then one against Pittsburgh -- a team that I believe won the SB, as I recall. Immediately, everybody called for people's heads. Talk about panicking!
Fans reacted to what they saw on the team: an offensive coordinator - a Capers coach, BTW - getting fired two games into a season.
Now, perhaps in your twisted logic this was a sign of great head coaching.
But to the rest of us, it appeared that Dom no longer understood what he was doing and had lost control of his team.
Then, after firing the OC, we lose four more in a row without having even ONE lead in a game.
That's pathetic, man. Just pathetic.
Fans did not influence Palmer getting fired. The owner saw the same thing we saw in the stands: a flat, uninspired group of individual players who did not believe in the system or the coaches.
You can cover a turd in chocolate sauce and put sprinkles on it, Bobo, but at the end of the day, it still tastes like crap. So live in your delusion all you want, but you're living in the past now.
" So I guess you are agreeing with me that Capers should have been given that chance! I would sure like to know, though, why you continually ignore the accomplishments of Capers in which he improved the team's record two straight ..."
So. how would the Texans have done in year 5? Following your logic with Cowher, we would have been 15-1! Right? No way, Bobo.
You've got your sights set much lower than I do for the Texans- you accept losing and mediocrity and make excuses for why it's OK to lose every year. I don't. Under Caper's philosophy, when would the team become a winner? He never coached to win with the Texans--when was he going to start?
So. how would the Texans have done in year 5? Following your logic with Cowher, we would have been 15-1! Right? No way, Bobo.
You've got your sights set much lower than I do for the Texans- you accept losing and mediocrity and make excuses for why it's OK to lose every year. I don't. Under Caper's philosophy, when would the team become a winner? He never coached to win with the Texans--when was he going to start?
U4ikrob said:Well Thanks for your 2 cents Bobo.
?Putting words in his mouth - Whoa there man -You dont even know me so back that truck up. Yea ive actually talked to Coach Capers more than once over the last 4 years. During camp, at public outings etc...
As I said it above IMO - Its My opinion -Capers is a nice man, but not the greatest coach nor did his philosophy on football and the team workout. The results are in - the milk is allready spilled. His statements about the team are very well known, along with his philosphy of coaching. Need I quote the Texans website to you from the last 4 years of articles? Surely you can look up the archives.
So what exactly did you think about the article above Bobo? BTW - Did you read the article above??
Bottom line and way out to lunch? - Most of my facts came from my attending the teams training camp for 4 years, having played football myself for a few years, attending some Texans games, watching the remainder on TV, listening to players talk about the coach and the games along with the commentary that always comes from the folks around the organization and the league. I consider myself a fairly knowledgable fan and certainly would disagree with your claims above. I guess you didnt notice the lackluster play on the field or perhaps thought it didnt say anything about Capers coaching abilities eh Bobo?
Your examples of a good Defense in the Panthers and Bears game at the end of 04 are well noted. We also did pretty good that first year against Pittsburgh by holding them to 6 points.
But thats the problem Bobo - they were the very few good performances by a Defense that played pretty bad for the most part and had little to no bite against any team overall for most of the 4 years Capers & Fangio were coaches here.
Your example of year 3 were the "Vaunted "Defense" of Capers brought them to almost .500 also managed to allow more points that year against any team they had played in the 3 years they were around to the time.
They started that 04 year by allowing
San Diego 27 pts
Detroit 28 pts
Kansas City 21 pts
Oakland 17 pts
Minnesota 34 pts
For an Average of 25.4 points per game
Then they had a couple of good defensive games allowing
Tennessee 10
And the Jags - 6
But right after that they follow it up with a couple of stinkers again
Giving up 31 to Denver and a franchise worst 49 points to the Colts including giving up 5 TD's to Manning. This is the year they got to almost .500 allright, but it wasnt because the Defense was helping so much as the Offense was scoring more. Those are the facts Bobo - If you want to look em up - all you need do is hit the stats bar on the Texans website - the data is all there.
The defense continued to bomb out in 04 by giving up
16 v Greenbay
21 V Titans
29 v Jets
23 v Colts
This is all before they could stop the bleeding again with your 2 good games against the Jags and Bears. Then they wrap up Christmas and the season by giving up 22 pts to a very bad Cleveland team.
The points and facts are all there Bobo -The seasons production as a whole makes a big difference - The defense was bad for most of the 04 season and averaged close to 25+ points per game for the season. I dunno what system your used to watching for good defense and I wont assume, but the defense was just plain bad by the NFL grade and IMO we would have won more games as a team if the "Defense" would have at least been average that year. Then they follow that year up with 2-14. Honestly Bobo I dont want any part of a football coach who's defense spots the other team an average of 25 points per game as my coach. I honestly cannot fathom how that could translate as being a good coach for a defense anywhere in this league.
BTW - Anybody know if Vic Fangio has a job anywhere in the league this year?
And when, prey tell -- since you have had so many discussions with Capers -- did he say the exact words, "I play not to lose?" Do you think he would confirm those exact words if he was asked? I sincerely doubt that, so put that truck back where it belongs. As far as the defense goes in 2004 -- how do you arrive at the belief that 16 points to a Favre-led GB squad when h was still good was a "bomb?" I remember that game and as I recall it sure wasn't the defense that "bombed!" And where do you get the belief that allowing 21 points to the Jets and 23 points to the Manning-led Colts are an instance of "bombing out" as well? I only see four bad games the defense played during that season, and that's where they gave up 27 points or more. And good grief, man! Since when are you going to blame the defense for that game against Cleveland. My gosh, man! What do you expect for a team in its third year? The Baltimore Ravens? The Tampa Bucs? This was their THIRD YEAR of existence, man! Their THIRD YEAR! It amazes me that folks just don't seem to get that! They beat both the Bears and Jax on the road and they gave up a grand total of five points! And in just their third year of existence, they gave up 27 points or more JUST FOUR TIMES -- the entire year! That is fantastic for a third-year team! You're acting like they should be the Bears of 1985! Sometimes I have to wonder what planet some folks are really on when they expect championship performances out of teams with just two complete seasons under their belts and the team just beginning to come together. Every stat you quoted for 2004 only buttresses my point -- that for a team with just two complete seasons under their belts, the Capers squad did very, very well. Then again, if you are talking about the Steelers, that wouldn't have been too good. Oh yeah, that's right. When the coach of the Steelers had a bad, bad year with a complete infrastructure behind him and a team with a boatload of experience under its belt, they fired him. Uh, oops! Wrong! They gave him a break. Instead, it was the guy with the team he took from scratch who got fired. Hmmm ... what is wrong with this picture? Oh, BTW -- are you of the opinion that a coach can be judged based on if he was hired by another NFL team or not? Be careful how you answer!
TwinSisters
Veteran
Here's what we are saying with injuries:
We are not talking for the coach. We are talking from our point of view. To my knowledge Capers never really said injuries were the only reason they couldn't win.
Now from our vantage point we can. There have been several articles published by sports writers and ESPN over the years talking how Super Bowl teams usually fail to repeat because of injury from a prolonged season. I patched one up here some time ago from the Dallas Morning News drawing links between injury and season record.
For the Texans I can say injury was a large part of the problem.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9115921
There are now two stories I linked up here showing a depleted offensive line and a depleted defensive line. Now how can you say the coach is at sole fault?
You are not going to win very many games with your 2nd and 3rd string lines on both sides of the ball.
This is not... I repeat not a reason that Capers shouldn't go. He should have gone and got the boot with Casserly. This is only to say Capers didn't screw the franchise up by himself.
I will also pass on a quote for you
"There's no player that's more appropriate or more deserving to execute that play"
It ain't Capers.
It wasn't all Capers.
We are not talking for the coach. We are talking from our point of view. To my knowledge Capers never really said injuries were the only reason they couldn't win.
Now from our vantage point we can. There have been several articles published by sports writers and ESPN over the years talking how Super Bowl teams usually fail to repeat because of injury from a prolonged season. I patched one up here some time ago from the Dallas Morning News drawing links between injury and season record.
For the Texans I can say injury was a large part of the problem.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9115921
There are now two stories I linked up here showing a depleted offensive line and a depleted defensive line. Now how can you say the coach is at sole fault?
You are not going to win very many games with your 2nd and 3rd string lines on both sides of the ball.
This is not... I repeat not a reason that Capers shouldn't go. He should have gone and got the boot with Casserly. This is only to say Capers didn't screw the franchise up by himself.
I will also pass on a quote for you
"There's no player that's more appropriate or more deserving to execute that play"
It ain't Capers.
It wasn't all Capers.
tsip said:
Um, no -- unless Pittsburgh was only in its fourth year of existence! I think you are trying to avoid the fact that the Steelers allowed Cowher the chance to bounce back, even though his regression was worse than Capers, while Capers didn't get that chance. And once again, where did you get the idea that Capers didn't play to win? I never heard him say that in any press conference. He played conservative, correct -- which was exactly the right thing to do when you have a team very early in its existence filled with young players who are still wet behind their ears and lacking in NFL experience! What did you expect him to do -- come out and have Carr gun it around like Peyton Manning? Capers did the exact right thing by playing conservatively due to his situation -- and if you don't think that Kubiak will do the same thing, then you are in for a heckuva surprise. After all, Anderson and Bell didn't both gain 1,000 yards by Plummer throwing the ball all the time!
I have no problem with losing and mediocrity from a team just four years into their existence. In fact, I expect it! If you don't understand the fact that it takes time to build a consistent winner when you are starting from scratch, then perhaps you should talk to a NO fan. You know how long it took them to get a winning team? Try 20 years. That's right, 20 years. It isn't an easy feat to accomplish. Now, if you are a team with years of SB experience and some Lombardi trophies on your mantle and if you had a record of 13-3 and 11-5 in 2001 and 2002 that's different. I can see how you would be angry about a season where you plummetted to 6-10 in 2003. Using your philosophy, with all the advantages that team had going for them, you would CERTAINLY fire the coach. Uh, oops! You just fired the guy who went 15-1 in 2004 and won the SB in 2005! Umm, doesn't sound like too sound a philosophy to me!
Wolf said:
If the offense is better, then it will be because the line play is better -- certainly not because of who is catching the balls that Carr couldn't even get off last year due to bad protection. But then again, if Kubiak sends his TE out for passes and thereby weakens the weakest link in the Texans offensive chain and weakens it even further by sending Cook out as well, then you might be talking about just what good ole Sage is capable of doing! Will he be able to get them better than 30th? And heck, if they have another bad season, will it matter if their offense finishes 30th or 28th or 26th?
Wolf
100% Texan
I would agree with some of that.
but you start out with (all under 30 mind you)
Glenn
Coleman
Boselli
Young
Sharper
Lewis
etc,etc on expansion draft
what did we get 12 players on initial draft?
and between 2003-2005 we got how many picks along with FA?
and after 4 years you are picking #1 overal with just 2 wins..less than what you won in your inital "rookie" season?
but you start out with (all under 30 mind you)
Glenn
Coleman
Boselli
Young
Sharper
Lewis
etc,etc on expansion draft
what did we get 12 players on initial draft?
and between 2003-2005 we got how many picks along with FA?
and after 4 years you are picking #1 overal with just 2 wins..less than what you won in your inital "rookie" season?
Wolf said:
Here goes that same contradiction again: Criticize Capers because he didn't make any changes and when he did, criticize him for putting people in positions they don't normally play. And as I recall, Sherman didn't have all that outstanding a year last year as well. And he brought one of those OL that was part of that debacle with him.
Wolf
100% Texan
Bobo said:
Capers had 4 years to get it done .. even after the 2004 season McNair said we have to protect the QB .well we didn't and Capers is gone
how can you not criticize capers for bringing in a RT throughout his career and making him a LT (riley) .. and he was horrible.. Bottom line is the coaching staff didn't know what to do with the line no idea half way into the season.. we bring in Wade from Miami and at the time most of us was applausing the move, and when our coaches got a hold of him .. he stunk.. he was lost..
It was a chinese fire drill on the line.. we go from Wand starting..to Riley taking over.. to Pitts moving over to LT.. Brown going to guard.. to Mckinney going to the other guard. to Center being a draft pick that escapes my mind right now..then he gets injured and McKinney going back..
Wolf said:
I wonder how many other coaches moved tackle from the right side to the left side and nobody made a peep about it? Fact is, Capers DID get it done in 2004 and to ignore his accomplishments during that year is ignoring the facts. And I find your "Chinese drill" declaration laughable. Like I said, people criticized Capers for not making changes and when he did, he got criticized for creating a "Chinese fire drill." Pardon me if I see a ton if disingenuousness in that rather flimsy argument.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Bobo said:
Does anybody find anything ironic with this statement.
Bobo with every post you put up, you appear to be a bigger fool.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Bobo said:
Please tell WHAT DID CAPERS DO IN 2004, finish 3rd in the divisin, post a sub par 500 record.....AGAIN. Constantly get out game planned. Beat absolutely no winning teams, outside of Jax., closed the season by getting smacked around by the Browns (a sneak peak of things to come) and make horrendous offseason moves that killed the team.
You remind me of a old Mad TV skit
"Lowered Expectations"
Hi my name is Bobo and I have no standards for my football team and am pleased with mediocrity and no accountability.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bobo said:
Geez folks, can't you get the drift from statements like this.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!
Texans_Chick said:
I find this very interesting, seeing that it's not ME who brings up 2005 -- opr 2002-4, for that matter. I only respond to posts that unfairly blame Capers for everything without acknowledging his many accomplishments. That really, really irks me because it reeks of wanton ignorance of the facts and both unfairly and unjustly smears a man who brought excitement and electricity to this city -- two things I will predict that Kubiak won't even come close to duplicating. So as long as there are folks who insist on bringing up the past four years without giving Capers his due, don't be surprised if I am there to remind folks of what he did accomplish because, once Kubiak starts actually coaching on the field, I would venture a guess and say there won't be too many accomplishments to point to in the long run.
Wolf said:
The sack problem has always been there and that's because it takes a nice, lonnnnggggg time to put an OL together. Some teams never do it. Look at the Saints. It took them 20 years to put a winning season together. Look at the Bucs. It took them a season and a half to record one win. Look at Arizona. One playoff appearance in how many decades? It seems to me that you are straining at gnats when you blame the OL strugglles on one OL guy at RT instead of LT. I am pretty positive that putting Riley on the left side rather than the right is NOT why the OL struggled their entire existence. And if you don't think they will struggle this year as well, then you are in for a heckuva surprise.
Carr Bomb said:
Do you really, REALLY believe that a 7-9 record for a team that didn't even exist three years earlier is bad? And do you really think a defense that only allowed 27 points or more in four games is bad for a team in that situation? And how much better could Capers have been when his team won two road games vs. the Bears and Jax and allowed a combined total of just five points? And as I recall, just about everybody on this board said after the Browns game, "How can you get upset over just one game?" Where are all those folks now? Have they conveniently turned an about face in an effort to support the firing of Capers? It seems like you are either jumping into the thread without being informed or you are ignoring everything I brought out in this thread. Like I said, you might want to do some stretches before you enter the game.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Bobo said:
No not really, because its the same pointless, delusional argument you always make.
You compare Capers to Cowher-crazy and delusional
You compare Capers to Holmgren-insane
You try to tell us he's a great head coach, when every bit of evidence points otherwise- crazy.
You are the only person on earth (not just Texan fans- NFL fans, media, and anybody else that has a lick of football sense) that feels Capers shouldn't have been fired- crazy
and your going to tell me "I have to do stretches before I enter the game"
Yeah okay, whatever that means. If I have to do stretches then you have to pass a mental evaluation before they even clear you to play
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Bobo said:
When you come out the next season and all your weaknesses become even bigger weaknesses.
then yes I do.
Your defeating your own case for Capers, the fact that the only reason you can bring up to keep Capers is a mediocre 7-9 season, that happened TWO SEASONS AGO, proves that the man did nothing.
The talent on the field got better over the last 4 years, OUR RECORD JUST GOT WORSE.
He was supposed to be a defensive guru and he let a Harvard third stringer, destroy his defense.
Bobo said:
Where are all those people now, are you serious?
Umm....I don't now maybe those people tunned in last season and watched one of the worst coaching jobs and seasons in the history of the NFL.
Where are those people now....living in the year 2006, not 2004, hashing over a mediocre 7-9 season like we won the superbowl with Dom "my name is not Lombardi" Capers
Carr Bomb said:
If you don't think that a 7-9 record in an expansion year is good, then you are straining the bounds of credulity. That kind of record is far, far from mediocre for a third-year team. Then again, you would be right if you called it mediocre for a team that has been around for awhile, such as the Steelers. Oh, in fact, that so-called "mediocre record" was actually one game better than the Steelers in 2003! So I guess that means that coach should be fired too! Oh ... oops! We all know that story, don't we?
Carr Bomb said:No not really, because its the same pointless, delusional argument you always make.
You compare Capers to Cowher-crazy and delusional
You compare Capers to Holmgren-insane
You try to tell us he's a great head coach, when every bit of evidence points otherwise- crazy.
You are the only person on earth (not just Texan fans- NFL fans, media, and anybody else that has a lick of football sense) that feels Capers shouldn't have been fired- crazy
and your going to tell me "I have to do stretches before I enter the game"
If I have to do stretches then you have to pass a mental evaluation before they even clear you to play
Calling a comparison "insane" is not dealing with the issue. Failure to deal with the comparison duly noted. You just tapped out.