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Calvin Johnson Wow

Yea, that dude is amazing. Whatever team gets him is going to be very lucky. He would be a steal if he got selected #1 overall much less lower!!! lol
 
I wont believe the forty time til' he does it at the combine or pro-day...:shades: There is no way somebody can be this good, he has to have a flaw....
 
Speed can be overrated. Not saying Calvin Johnson is overrated, but speed being taken into account can be dumb sometimes.
 
I wont believe the forty time til' he does it at the combine or pro-day...:shades: There is no way somebody can be this good, he has to have a flaw....

His flaw was playing on a medicore team with a HS backup playing QB.

His weakness will be his route running as he has been able to get by on athletic ability alone, but his routes are fairly crisp already.

Also, there is a video in one of these threads that I'm too lazy to look up that shows him getting 45in in the vertical.
 
No freakin' way he ran a 4.33...

Way. Tune in next week hot shot. He'll hit 4.4. He gets relaxed a 4.3 is in range.

Calvin Johnson is a 9.0 prospect. He starts his bid to catch Jerry Rice the moment he's drafted. He has no flaws. He is devestating and willing blocker. He has great body controll and outstanding hands. His only weakness is inexperence. He'll be a top five reciever this season. If Gruden can come up with a QB, he may lead the league in TD catches...even with with Galloway on the team.
 
Way. Tune in next week hot shot. He'll hit 4.4. He gets relaxed a 4.3 is in range.

Calvin Johnson is a 9.0 prospect. He starts his bid to catch Jerry Rice the moment he's drafted. He has no flaws. He is devestating and willing blocker. He has great body controll and outstanding hands. His only weakness is inexperence. He'll be a top five reciever this season. If Gruden can come up with a QB, he may lead the league in TD catches...even with with Galloway on the team.

Don't get ahead of yourself there. There is no guarantee with any NFL prospects, because, after all, they are just prospects.

With that said, the best thing about him is his attitude. He is tough, hard worker with a team first mentality. If he drops out of the top 3 I'll be shocked
 
Don't get ahead of yourself there. There is no guarantee with any NFL prospects, because, after all, they are just prospects.

With that said, the best thing about him is his attitude. He is tough, hard worker with a team first mentality. If he drops out of the top 3 I'll be shocked

His work ethic is second to none. he's got the 'potential' to be great but what sets him apart is his humbleness, attitude, and work ethic.

My roommate is a HUGE geogia tech and falcon fan. He says atlanta should trade their 1st rd picks for '07, '08, & '09 to Oakland so they can get CJ. Now he's half way joking....but half way serious....CJ is that good. (then again he probably thinks atl will be picking #32 in '08 and '09 too! lol)
 
His work ethic is second to none. he's got the 'potential' to be great but what sets him apart is his humbleness, attitude, and work ethic.

My roommate is a HUGE geogia tech and falcon fan. He says atlanta should trade their 1st rd picks for '07, '08, & '09 to Oakland so they can get CJ. Now he's half way joking....but half way serious....CJ is that good. (then again he probably thinks atl will be picking #32 in '08 and '09 too! lol)

Michael Vick= WR's kryptonite
 
I'm not saying CJ isn't a great athlete or anything, but I'm taking these numbers with a grain of salt. It could be that they are exagerrated or maybe he ran on a faster track (Compared to the combine). I guess the question know is if he decides to participate in any drills at the combine.
 
I'm not saying CJ isn't a great athlete or anything, but I'm taking these numbers with a grain of salt. It could be that they are exagerrated or maybe he ran on a faster track (Compared to the combine). I guess the question know is if he decides to participate in any drills at the combine.

The thing is, these numbers aren't just thrown out there. They were just done like last week preparing for the combine. CJ has a better vert jump than listed as well. Indy is a fast surface.
 
Johnson was on "Path to the Draft" last night and they asked him what he would run in Indy, and he said 4.4....or better. At his size? Wow...
 
I wont believe the forty time til' he does it at the combine or pro-day...:shades: There is no way somebody can be this good, he has to have a flaw....

Just b/c he runs fast & can jump doesn't mean he's a good football player people. Furthermore, if he is selected #1 overall which would mean the raiders, they'll still have 1 fundamental problem....................... who's going to be throwing to him?
 
Just b/c he runs fast & can jump doesn't mean he's a good football player people. Furthermore, if he is selected #1 overall which would mean the raiders, they'll still have 1 fundamental problem....................... who's going to be throwing to him?

Calvin Johnson is THE best player in this draft and if the Raiders don't draft him, shame on them....

Don't worry about a QB this year, or go with the Best one available in the second rd.....You don't pass on talent like that....and besides, he's the type of reciever that makes QB's look better than what they are.
 
Just b/c he runs fast & can jump doesn't mean he's a good football player people. Furthermore, if he is selected #1 overall which would mean the raiders, they'll still have 1 fundamental problem....................... who's going to be throwing to him?


David Carr?
 
Just b/c he runs fast & can jump doesn't mean he's a good football player people. Furthermore, if he is selected #1 overall which would mean the raiders, they'll still have 1 fundamental problem....................... who's going to be throwing to him?

If you have watched CJ play you would know he is a great football player. The measureables just bridge the gap for his scaling call at the next level.
 
If you have watched CJ play you would know he is a great football player. The measureables just bridge the gap for his scaling call at the next level.

i could say the same about DC & a whole host of other heismans & all-americans when they came out. I saw a few of his games last year & the year before that, he was known to disappear sometimes too.

Not taking anything away from the guy, i think he's a top 10 pick but, some people in here were getting all hot & bothered when they saw the 40 time & broad jump numbers, But then some of those same people were blasting the texans for drafting MW last year b/c he was a "workout warrior" type of guy who had all the measurables.
 
i could say the same about DC & a whole host of other heismans & all-americans when they came out. I saw a few of his games last year & the year before that, he was known to disappear sometimes too.

Not taking anything away from the guy, i think he's a top 10 pick but, some people in here were getting all hot & bothered when they saw the 40 time & broad jump numbers, But then some of those same people were blasting the texans for drafting MW last year b/c he was a "workout warrior" type of guy who had all the measurables.

IMO, Mario and Calvin Johnson aren't the same thing....I don't feel like I should have to explain that one.


And he dissapeared last year because his quaterback was terrible. You couldn't have watched this man play. I honestly don't believe you saw any of his games from the way you are talking. You'd have saw how good he was and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
Mario's biggest flaw from everyone around him was that he didn't try that hard all of the time, and would take some games off. He also relied on his physical ability rather than his technique.

Those are CJ's strengths--- his hard working attitude and his technique. He just freakishly has the physical abilities to back it up and wrap it into one ridiculously talented package
 
IMO, Mario and Calvin Johnson aren't the same thing....I don't feel like I should have to explain that one.


ANd he dissapeared last year because he quaterback was terrible. You couldn't have watched this man play. I honestly don't believe you saw any of his games from the way you are talking. You'd have saw how good he was and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

b/c i don't share the same view as you? & why aren't CJ & MW the same? besides their positions, they are very much alike IMO. CJ had a pretty good freshman & sophmore season much like MW but had breakout jr seasons. Both are athletic freaks for their sizes & positons & both disappeared at times during their final seasons in college.

As far as the bolded, U don't think he's going to face the same thing in the pros with the raiders? i think i said as much in my first statement. i saw him go off on someone in a game that went to OT his freshman/sophmore year & i also saw him torch ND this past year & i also saw the georgia game this past year.
 
just more evidence that al davis won't draft a quarterback. it's between johnson and peterson. they'll trade for leftwich or carr.
 
As far as the bolded, U don't think he's going to face the same thing in the pros with the raiders? i think i said as much in my first statement. i saw him go off on someone in a game that went to OT his freshman/sophmore year & i also saw him torch ND this past year as well as the georgia game this past year.
the difference being that, even despite terrible quarterback play, johnson still managed to get 7 games with 100+ yards and 15 total touchdowns. disappeared his junior year? his numbers far eclipse his freshman and sophomore seasons. and that's WITH the awful quarterback play and inept play-calling at times. plus being double-covered at all times, of course
 
b/c i don't share the same view as you? & why aren't CJ & MW the same? besides their positions, they are very much alike IMO. CJ had a pretty good freshman & sophmore season much like MW but had breakout jr seasons. Both are athletic freaks for their sizes & positons & both disappeared at times during their final seasons in college.

Leading up to the draft, Mario was not as highly rated as Calvin Johnson was. Calvin Johnson has been in the spotlight since the season started. There were questions about Mario's work ethic. Calvin Johnson's work ethic has been reported as being "second to none". Mario shot up the draft AFTER his numbers at the combine. We ALREADY KNOW C.J is going to post awesome numbers and we are just anticipating what they'll be. One player is thought to be the clear cut number one overall a couple months BEFORE the draft...the other found out he'd the number one overall THE NIGHT BEFORE the draft. They are not the same. Just because they are both freakishly athletic doesn't make them the same. They're careers have been nothing alike. nothing.


As far as the bolded, U don't think he's going to face the same thing in the pros with the raiders? i think i said as much in my first statement. i saw him go off on someone in a game that went to OT his freshman/sophmore year & i also saw him torch ND this past year as well as the georgia game this past year.


Doesn't matter what he's going to face as a pro. What does that have to do with HIS talent??? This is the draft ya' know ? The worst teams in the leauge are normally at the top. He's going to a bad team regardless so I don't really understand your point. And I said that he makes QB's better...He doens't make them great.
 
Mario's biggest flaw from everyone around him was that he didn't try that hard all of the time, and would take some games off. He also relied on his physical ability rather than his technique.

Those are CJ's strengths--- his hard working attitude and his technique. He just freakishly has the physical abilities to back it up and wrap it into one ridiculously talented package

I watched every game, and usually tried to watch Mario on defense, and that is simply not true. How many times did you see him chasing the running back across the field, even making tackles on WR's 10 or 15 yards past the LOS. Even with the bum leg, you could tell he never quit on a play. The part about physical ability is correct though, he is still "raw" in that regard.
 
i could say the same about DC & a whole host of other heismans & all-americans when they came out. I saw a few of his games last year & the year before that, he was known to disappear sometimes too.

Not taking anything away from the guy, i think he's a top 10 pick but, some people in here were getting all hot & bothered when they saw the 40 time & broad jump numbers, But then some of those same people were blasting the texans for drafting MW last year b/c he was a "workout warrior" type of guy who had all the measurables.

You're a baseball guy. And that's OK. The only way you would post this drivel is 1. You don't know what you're posting about. 2. You're a baseball guy who is killing three weeks untill you can make the jump. I understand most people do not watch a lot of college football. I've seen the guy four games this season and two last season. And he is without a doubt, bar none, the greatest WR propsect to come down the pike...ever. He IS a 9.0 prospect. On the Joel Bushabum scale, that means the only thing that will hold this guy back is the team. He gets into any kind of situation that offers any kind of support at all, that is just reasonable...he shuts out the other thrid Wr in the conference for the pro bowl....every year. He dawrfs A.J. with his tallent. He has no holes in his game. Peroiod. You can't see that or have never watched him...you really shouldn't come in here and show your south end. Just making a jack***** out of yourself.
 
the difference being that, even despite terrible quarterback play, johnson still managed to get 7 games with 100+ yards and 15 total touchdowns. disappeared his junior year? [B]his numbers far eclipse his freshman and sophomore seasons. and that's WITH the awful quarterback play and inept play-calling at times. plus being double-covered at all times, of course[/B]

Same can be said for MW his jr. year, I'm sure you know he was expected to come back his senior season & challenge for the butkus award, much like CJ was suppose to challenge this year for the heisman. & when i said disappear i'm talking game by game stats......... again much like mario.
 
Same can be said for MW his jr. year, I'm sure you know he was expected to come back his senior season & challenge for the butkus award, much like CJ was suppose to challenge this year for the heisman. & when i said disappear i'm talking game by game stats......... again much like mario.
lol, people expected him to return his senior season? i had him pegged to leave early when i watched him play his freshman season. pretty easy bet there, too. guys with his abilty dont stick around 4 years.
 
I'm not saying CJ isn't a great athlete or anything, but I'm taking these numbers with a grain of salt. It could be that they are exagerrated or maybe he ran on a faster track (Compared to the combine). I guess the question know is if he decides to participate in any drills at the combine.

They are not exagerated. He is very very good. He is a 9.0 prospect. And actually, the Indy RCA dome is a very fast track acording to Gill Brant and others. Gonna be hard for you watching this guy chasing down Jerry. I think he has a chance.
 
You're a baseball guy. And that's OK. The only way you would post this drivel is 1. You don't know what you're posting about. 2. You're a baseball guy who is killing three weeks untill you can make the jump. I understand most people do not watch a lot of college football. I've seen the guy four games this season and two last season. And he is without a doubt, bar none, the greatest WR propsect to come down the pike...ever. He IS a 9.0 prospect. On the Joel Bushabum scale, that means the only thing that will hold this guy back is the team. He gets into any kind of situation that offers any kind of support at all, that is just reasonable...he shuts out the other thrid Wr in the conference for the pro bowl....every year. He dawrfs A.J. with his tallent. He has no holes in his game. Peroiod. You can't see that or have never watched him...you really shouldn't come in here and show your south end. Just making a jack***** out of yourself.

Wow, did i touch a nerve? Never said the guy wasn't a top 10 pick, but again how many guys were thought to be can't miss prospects as you're basically saying he is in the above post, only to have average careers in the NFL? All i'm saying is you guys, need to calm down a bit, it was his college career & a couple of measureables, he's STILL not a sure thing to be a success in the NFL.

by the way, I'm not a baseball guy, football is my thing, & if i have learned anything about the game on the pro level, I have learned that no matter how good a guy was in college or how fast he runs, doesn't mean squat on the next level, now one is a bonafided superstar. No go sit down somewhere & take your Blood pressure meds.
 
Wow, did i touch a nerve? Never said the guy wasn't a top 10 pick, but again how many guys were thought to be can't miss prospects as you're basically saying he is in the above post, only to have average careers in the NFL? All i'm saying is you guys, need to calm down a bit, it was his college career & a couple of measureables, he's STILL not a sure thing to be a success in the NFL.


Excuse us for being humans that have emotion and not drones. Are you saying we should never again be excited about prospects we really like? because some people in the past didn't live up to expectations ?

"No, Columbus...The world is flat, you'll fall off!!"
 
Whether he ran a 4.33 or a 4.43 - what's the point? You know the difference between the two numbers??


....listen




POP!


There - the time it took you to say pop was the difference between the two times. Wow! Now, as for that vertical? Yeah, that's kind of tough for a 5'9" corner to guard. I'd still like my WR to be associated with a 4.3 instead of a 4.4 though! :)

However, with that all said, a good route runner with great hands will still be my WR of choice 9 out 10 times.
 
lol, people expected him to return his senior season? i had him pegged to leave early when i watched him play his freshman season. pretty easy bet there, too. guys with his abilty dont stick around 4 years.

You might've had him pegged (the great Kastofna, lol) but i only said that b/c at the end of his jr. season, he was thought to be among the front runners for the award, which tells of how good he was thought to be, which kind of dispells this notion that he came out of nowhere, in the draft to become a top pick. Maybe up against RB, ML, & VY but what can you say, it was a good draft for the offensive side of the ball that year!
 
However, with that all said, a good route runner with great hands will still be my WR of choice 9 out 10 times.

I guess it depends on your coaching staff...


If I think I have a good WR's coach, then i'm going to take the guy with more upside in expectation that my coaching staff will be able to teach him the finer points of the game...

kinda-sorta like we did with Mario....
 
I guess it depends on your coaching staff...


If I think I have a good WR's coach, then i'm going to take the guy with more upside in expectation that my coaching staff will be able to teach him the finer points of the game...

kinda-sorta like we did with Mario....

True. It just seems like those guys that can run routes will always play whereas guys like Jerome Mathis remain one-trick ponies! (But I LOVE the one trick that he DOES do! :)
 
Excuse us for being humans that have emotion and not drones. Are you saying we should never again be excited about prospects we really like? because some people in the past didn't live up to expectations ?

"No, Columbus...The world is flat, you'll fall off!!"

Not at all guy, go crazy with it, but to jump all over someone b/c they don't share the same opinion as you about an nfl draft prospect based on a his college career & 2 measureables is flat out absurd don't you think? We all have our guys that we like & dislike for various reasons ( you might've seen me in other threads professing my man love for AD & Laron Landry) but i respect all guys opinions no matter what, & i prefer to stay reserved until i actually see how the guy performs on the next level.
 
Not at all guy, go crazy with it, but to jump all over someone b/c they don't share the same opinion as you about an nfl draft prospect based on a his college career & 2 measureables is flat out absurd don't you think? We all have our guys that we like & dislike for various reasons ( you might've seen me in other threads professing my man love for AD & Laron Landry) but i respect all guys opinions no matter what, & i prefer to stay reserved until i actually see how the guy performs on the next level.

That's not what you did...

All i'm saying is you guys, need to calm down a bit



You tried to tell us how WE should feel about the guy. Not the other way around. get it straight.

If you'd have just stated your opinion about him, then I wouldn't have made those comments.
 
That's not what you did...



You said "YALL need to calm down"....

You tried to tell us how WE should feel about the guy.

If you'd have just stated your opinion about him, then I wouldn't have made those comments.


Yeah, i apologize for that, but the above was also after i'd stated my opnion of him. Besides man, i wasn't really directing that at you, it was at threetoedpete.
 
Yeah, i apologize for that, but the above was also after i'd stated my opnion of him. Besides man, i wasn't really directing that at you, it was at threetoedpete.

It's all good....

I repsect your opinion as well...

I don't agree with it....


But I do respect it...
 
Calvin is the #1 Pro Prospect period.

Still that being said does not mean he will be drafted #1 (see Reggie Bush).

I have the feeling the Raiders will make a Texans move bypassing bpa in favor of a "Football Decision" type pick :marionaner:
 
Calvin is the #1 Pro Prospect period.

Still that being said does not mean he will be drafted #1 (see Reggie Bush).

I have the feeling the Raiders will make a Texans move bypassing bpa in favor of a "Football Decision" type pick :marionaner:

you really think so? I think he's certainly in the mix but to me at this point, until all the pro days & Indy Combine is done, I think it's Russell, would've been AD if he hadn't got hurt & had a good bowl game.
 
Wow, did i touch a nerve? Never said the guy wasn't a top 10 pick, but again how many guys were thought to be can't miss prospects as you're basically saying he is in the above post, only to have average careers in the NFL? All i'm saying is you guys, need to calm down a bit, it was his college career & a couple of measureables, he's STILL not a sure thing to be a success in the NFL.

by the way, I'm not a baseball guy, football is my thing, & if i have learned anything about the game on the pro level, I have learned that no matter how good a guy was in college or how fast he runs, doesn't mean squat on the next level, now one is a bonafided superstar. No go sit down somewhere & take your Blood pressure meds.

In that case I'm available for leasons. You've missed very badly here. My advise...befor your grand kids see this in the future, erase your posts so they won't see what a jackass you made of yourself. Stuborn is one thing...stupid is another.
 
you really think so? I think he's certainly in the mix but to me at this point, until all the pro days & Indy Combine is done, I think it's Russell, would've been AD if he hadn't got hurt & had a good bowl game.

Calvin Johnson is the only 9.0 prospect on this years board. Period. Joe Thomas isn't far behind him. They are the only two that come in day one and give you a blue chip player with pro bowl implications the first game. They are the only two plug and play guys in this draft. Everyone else has warts. They are as close to a lock pick as you can get. You draft them and baring injury or death...they play for you ten seasons and the only augrement is are they first year HOFers after they retire. They are the two safest picks in the draft. Anyone who can't see this is not very astue at grading NFL tallent. CJ isn't just good, he's a lock. He has everything. Playmaking, atitude, elite ball skills. What is it about that you do not understand ? He is not just the best WR prospect this year...he is the best I've seen in forty years . I've been doing this, fllowing the NFL draft, a very, very ,long time. Since Bushbaum and Sid Bream were on KTRH. Don't wanna take my word for it fine. I called it four months ago. We'll see how long it takes you guys to get on board. I'm not just throwing stuff on the wall and seeing if it sitcks. These two are the real deal.
 
In that case I'm available for leasons. You've missed very badly here. My advise...befor your grand kids see this in the future, erase your posts so they won't see what a jackass you made of yourself. Stuborn is one thing...stupid is another.

What are you talking about? Your're basically doing what everyone else was doing with RB last year......... crowning the guy a legend before he even steps on the field with other pros. (evidenced by your Jerry Rice comment above). & I'm stupid b/c i don't think that he's the # 1 overall prospect in the draft? Come on buddy, did it really hurt you that bad? Is CJ you're nephew or something? Good grief some people....
 
What are you talking about? Your're basically doing what everyone else was doing with RB last year......... crowning the guy a legend before he even steps on the field with other pros. (evidenced by your Jerry Rice comment above). & I'm stupid b/c i don't think that he's the # 1 overall prospect in the draft? Come on buddy, did it really hurt you that bad? Is CJ you're nephew or something? Good grief some people....

You need ...badly to look up my posts....you've painted me with a broad brush that isn't true. I stand on my reputation. Seriously...you need to go back and delete your posts on this thread. You're only going to look very foolish in the future.


Don't believe me...believe this:



http://www.draftace.com/draft2007/mockdraftround1.htm
In other words the Raiders might pass up an elite QB prospect, who fits thier team vertical passing scheme better than anyone in recent memory, a rocket armed, acurate, 260 pound freak of nature porspect, because Calvin Johnson isn't just good. He's danged good.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32991
01/19/07 - You've heard it before, but if you were going to build an NFL player . . . he would look like Johnson at wideout. Some teams will make him the top prospect on the board. He couldn't have possibly helped his draft standing by returning for his senior year; he can't go any higher. At roughly 6-foot-5, 235 pounds with top-end speed, top-end hands and a vertical leap that has been tested over 40 inches, he is a next-generation player who is also low maintenance off the field. He's bigger and faster than Terrell Owens in his prime, without the headaches. And with defensive backs usually circling around him like gnats at a picnic, Johnson still caught 76 passes for 1,202 yards and 15 touchdowns playing in the 10th-rated passing attack in the Atlantic Coast Conference in 2006. A wide receiver hasn't been the first pick of the draft since Keyshawn Johnson was taken by the Jets at No. 1 in 1996, and only twice since the NFL-AFL merger in 1970 has a wide receiver gone No. 1 - Johnson and Irving Fryar in 1984. - Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702100329
Johnson, who finished his college career with 2,297 yards and 28 touchdowns in just three seasons, was the offensive catalyst to Georgia Tech's run to the ACC Championship Game in December. Although the season didn't end the way he would have liked because of three consecutive losses to rival Georgia, Wake Forest and then West Virginia in the Gator Bowl, he raised his NFL stock even higher. The junior finished the 2006 season with 1,202 yards and 15 touchdowns.

"A lot of people say you haven't seen nothing yet because he hasn't been in a situation yet where he's had a Peyton Manning or someone on that level throwing to him," said his dad, Calvin Sr.

Johnson has spent the past two weeks training under Tom Shaw at the Disney World of Sports complex to prepare for the NFL Combine.
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=140&p=8&c=1&nid=2006131&refid=4345
http://georgiatech.scout.com/2/595849.html
This season, he was named the league's offensive back of the week four times and was the only unanimous selection on the all-ACC team released Monday -- making him the first three-time all-ACC first-team pick in school history.

"I've produced more this year than I did my previous two years, so I consider that a success," Johnson said. "I'm striving for good games in those last two games and then I'll rate my season."

All that production comes in a 6-foot-5, 235-pound frame that boasts 4.3 speed and a 45-inch vertical jump. His ability to stretch the field helped a Georgia Tech offense that ranked among the league's best, ranking third with 324.2 total yards per game and fourth with 25.7 points.

"This is a guy that has the ability to not only out jump you, but he's got the chance to run past you," Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe said. "That's always your worst nightmare.

"You can feel like you played him pretty good and not realize that you've not only given up quite a few yards, but some points. That's what he brings to their offense. He gives them a chance to, on any snap, get

Enough ? Calf rope ?
 
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