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Byron or Carr
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Vendetta, R.
Noob
who looks better now?
Scooter
Funky
i voted for byron simply because i think he's got a better team around him. having a defense that'll get him the ball back, to me, is more important than 3 or 4 great receivers who wont get thrown to. and there's no way their o-line is worse than ours.
besides, i prefer arms to legs at the qb position so byron's utter slowness is an asset IMO.
besides, i prefer arms to legs at the qb position so byron's utter slowness is an asset IMO.
Fldvldog
Waterboy
I'm almost 100% positive that if this poll was posted on ESPN.com, Leftwich would be up by at least 75-80% of the votes.
Leftwich is definately the better QB (and this is an unbiased opinion). Leftwich makes EXCELLENT decisions and rarely turns the ball over. Yes, his protection is better than Carr's, but it is not very good. I admit that Carr is more mobile than Byron, but Byron had some nice "shake and bake" moves on Seattle for nice gains. Leftwich has a better arm, and is more accurate (which he stressed this offseason). Carr simply throws to double coverage too much. He has an AJ crutch bigtime! If everybody is in single coverage, and AJ is double covered, he throws to AJ. I don't understand it. Carr definately needs to improve his turnovers. 3 INT's last game? 70 yards passing? From a no.1 overall pick in '02? The "we are still in expansion mode" does not cut it anymore.
If I were part of the texans organizaation (I'm expecting a "Thank God you're not" from somebody) I would give Carr 1 (2 absolute tops) more game. If he does not produce, and there is another loss in the column, then it's time to try somebody else out at QB. They cannot be much worse than Carr's performance lasst game. Give Ragone a shot. Just think of it that way, and in the '06 draft, you all have a shot to get either Leinart, Jacobs, (or a real fan favorite over here) Vince Young. It is also critical to aid that horrendous O-Line quickly. Why it wasn't fixed this offseason is beyond me.
Leftwich>>>>>Carr
Leftwich is definately the better QB (and this is an unbiased opinion). Leftwich makes EXCELLENT decisions and rarely turns the ball over. Yes, his protection is better than Carr's, but it is not very good. I admit that Carr is more mobile than Byron, but Byron had some nice "shake and bake" moves on Seattle for nice gains. Leftwich has a better arm, and is more accurate (which he stressed this offseason). Carr simply throws to double coverage too much. He has an AJ crutch bigtime! If everybody is in single coverage, and AJ is double covered, he throws to AJ. I don't understand it. Carr definately needs to improve his turnovers. 3 INT's last game? 70 yards passing? From a no.1 overall pick in '02? The "we are still in expansion mode" does not cut it anymore.
If I were part of the texans organizaation (I'm expecting a "Thank God you're not" from somebody) I would give Carr 1 (2 absolute tops) more game. If he does not produce, and there is another loss in the column, then it's time to try somebody else out at QB. They cannot be much worse than Carr's performance lasst game. Give Ragone a shot. Just think of it that way, and in the '06 draft, you all have a shot to get either Leinart, Jacobs, (or a real fan favorite over here) Vince Young. It is also critical to aid that horrendous O-Line quickly. Why it wasn't fixed this offseason is beyond me.
Leftwich>>>>>Carr
aphia1996
Practice Squad
How can you compair J.Smith to A.Johnson? There isn't a comparison. A.J. is a better reciever, PERIOD! Johnson is covered in Trip's all game and His QB doesn't have time to even get him the ball....If David Had the time Byron did this wouldn't even be a question and we would be in the run for a Super Bowl.
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Houston, Texas
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Vendetta, R.
Noob
aj can only hope he'll have a five year stretch like jimmy smith did of having more yards and cathes than anyone in the entire nfl.
what about a signature of game of 291 yards/15 3tds against the 2000 ravens defense. You can't even comprehend 291 yards in a game by a reciever against any defense.. let alone one of the best ever.
Don't be surprised if Jimmy Smith has more yards and as many or more tds than aj this year. he did last season and is already at 7/130 2tds.
Leftwich is about to pass carr in tds, he's 3 back with a full less year! and oh yeah, carr is 19 up on ints!
say the Jaguars offense is bad all you want. they'll be scoring more points than the texans this year. no need to bother with the defense or special teams. that one is very evident.
I'm glad to see Tony Boselli went on to do good things with you guys
what about a signature of game of 291 yards/15 3tds against the 2000 ravens defense. You can't even comprehend 291 yards in a game by a reciever against any defense.. let alone one of the best ever.
Don't be surprised if Jimmy Smith has more yards and as many or more tds than aj this year. he did last season and is already at 7/130 2tds.
Leftwich is about to pass carr in tds, he's 3 back with a full less year! and oh yeah, carr is 19 up on ints!
say the Jaguars offense is bad all you want. they'll be scoring more points than the texans this year. no need to bother with the defense or special teams. that one is very evident.
I'm glad to see Tony Boselli went on to do good things with you guys
Texans86
Rookie
Vendetta said:aj can only hope he'll have a five year stretch like jimmy smith did of having more yards and cathes than anyone in the entire nfl.
what about a signature of game of 291 yards/15 3tds against the 2000 ravens defense. You can't even comprehend 291 yards in a game by a reciever against any defense.. let alone one of the best ever.
Don't be surprised if Jimmy Smith has more yards and as many or more tds than aj this year. he did last season and is already at 7/130 2tds.
Leftwich is about to pass carr in tds, he's 3 back with a full less year! and oh yeah, carr is 19 up on ints!
say the Jaguars offense is bad all you want. they'll be scoring more points than the texans this year. no need to bother with the defense or special teams. that one is very evident.
I'm glad to see Tony Boselli went on to do good things with you guys
1) Byron Leftwich did not come into a brand new franchise and get sacked more than anyone in NFL history in his first season.
2) He has had a dominant reciever like Jimmy Smith his entire career.
3) He has slightly more protection in the pocker, but every second counts.
4) Tony Boselli was arguably one of the top 5 best Left Tackles in the league when we acquired him, and it was unfortunate to see his career cut short. As a football player he was great, but off the field he was a man of integrity, which can't be said for some of the great players. His unfortunate ending is one reason the Texans still have no offensive line.
FILO_girl
I'm not here
Vendetta said:aj can only hope he'll have a five year stretch like jimmy smith did of having more yards and cathes than anyone in the entire nfl.
what about a signature of game of 291 yards/15 3tds against the 2000 ravens defense. You can't even comprehend 291 yards in a game by a reciever against any defense.. let alone one of the best ever.
Don't be surprised if Jimmy Smith has more yards and as many or more tds than aj this year. he did last season and is already at 7/130 2tds.
Leftwich is about to pass carr in tds, he's 3 back with a full less year! and oh yeah, carr is 19 up on ints!
say the Jaguars offense is bad all you want. they'll be scoring more points than the texans this year. no need to bother with the defense or special teams. that one is very evident.
I'm glad to see Tony Boselli went on to do good things with you guys
Where are all these feral cats coming from? Some one shut the door!
No one (that I have seen) has said the Jags are that bad. They are a formidable adversary to most teams. While you would like to say that the Jags play DOWN to the level of the opponent, I say they play UP. Except to the Texans. Can't deny our short history, that is one stat you can't spin.
Leftwich has to step it up this year, those royalty checks from Diff'rent Strokes are running out. Plus, he has alot to prove, just like David does. I believe David will prevail in this contest of the QBs because unlike the STATUEesque Leftwich, David is quite mobile. David can develop some composure and assurance in the pocket (hint to Oline, come to work on Sundays!), don't think Lefty can get new legs.
Give AJ the opportunity to use the tools he has, and he will blow Smith out of the water. He is a great player, he just needs the opportunity to shine. He is a Pro Bowler, don't see any Smiths at WR on here...
AFC PRO BOWL ROSTER 2005
OFFENSE (21) STARTERS RESERVES
Wide receivers (4) Marvin Harrison, IND
Chad Johnson, CIN Andre Johnson, HOU
Hines Ward, PIT
Tackles (3) Jonathan Ogden, BAL
Tarik Glenn, IND ## Marvel Smith, PIT ##
Willie Roaf, KC (injured)
Willie Anderson, CIN (injured)
Guards (3) Alan Faneca, PIT
Will Shields, KC Brian Waters, KC
Centers (2) Kevin Mawae, NYJ Jeff Hartings, PIT
Tight ends (2) Antonio Gates, SD Tony Gonzalez, KC
Quarterbacks (3) Peyton Manning, IND Tom Brady, NE
Drew Brees, SD
Running backs (3) LaDainian Tomlinson, SD Jerome Bettis, PIT ##
Rudi Johnson, CIN ##
Corey Dillon, NE ## (injured)
Edgerrin James, IND (injured)
Curtis Martin, NYJ (injured)
Fullback (1) Tony Richardson, KC
Smith has 13 years in the NFL, born in '69. Dre is in his 4th, born in '81. One WR in his twilight, one just beginning to hit his stride. Lets see who goes to the Pro Bowl this year...
I am intrigued by the number of Jaguar faithful have decided to come over to our board lately...we don't play for another 8 or so weeks, are y'all THAT intimidated that you must come over and sniff the enemy so soon? If you think what you smell is weakness, forget it. We are one game into the season, things can change quite dramatically in a week.
Fldvldog
Waterboy
FILO_girl said:
I doubt Jag fans that come here are intimidated, due to the fact that the texans were manhandled by the Bills last week...jk, just a friendly jab
.Yes, the texans have our number, but that will definately change this year. The texans don't look like the same team as last year. They looked very intimidated when they played Buffalo. Carr looks like he cannot get much better than what he is right now.I don't think Leftwich has as much to prove as Carr. Leftwich has shown he can get the job done, when the team is down, and they need a score. He is very calm in the pocket. On another note, just because Carr is more mobile, doesn't mean he is the better QB. I would take a pocket passer that makes excellent decisions and rarely turns over the rock, over a mobile QB that turns over the rock at will.
BTW, I don't think that Leftwich will run out of checks anytime soon...
FILO_girl
I'm not here
Fldvldog said:I doubt Jag fans that come here are intimidated, due to the fact that the texans were manhandled by the Bills last week...jk, just a friendly jab
I don't think Leftwich has as much to prove as Carr. Leftwich has shown he can get the job done, when the team is down, and they need a score. He is very calm in the pocket. On another note, just because Carr is more mobile, doesn't mean he is the better QB. I would take a pocket passer that makes excellent decisions and rarely turns over the rock, over a mobile QB that turns over the rock at will.
BTW, I don't think that Leftwich will run out of checks anytime soon...
Manhandled is an understatement.
Neither of our QBs are going to be legendary. This is pretty much on a division rival level. Neither of them compare to Peyton. Titans? While McNair is a fan favorite over there in Titanland, he is far from legendary.
I say Carr, you say Leftwich. Guess that is why I am the Texans fan and you are a Jag fan.
rules.
run-david-run
All Pro
Scooter said:
Texans have given up 2 TDs in the last 19 quarters.... now what was this talk about the Jags D?
run-david-run
All Pro
Vendetta said:aj can only hope he'll have a five year stretch like jimmy smith did of having more yards and cathes than anyone in the entire nfl.
what about a signature of game of 291 yards/15 3tds against the 2000 ravens defense. You can't even comprehend 291 yards in a game by a reciever against any defense.. let alone one of the best ever.
Don't be surprised if Jimmy Smith has more yards and as many or more tds than aj this year. he did last season and is already at 7/130 2tds.
Leftwich is about to pass carr in tds, he's 3 back with a full less year! and oh yeah, carr is 19 up on ints!
say the Jaguars offense is bad all you want. they'll be scoring more points than the texans this year. no need to bother with the defense or special teams. that one is very evident.
I'm glad to see Tony Boselli went on to do good things with you guys
5 years ago... does this really help Byron now? If it does, you guys may consider picking up Chris Carter, Jerry Rice and Tim Brown....
BY the way Carr had 14 Int's last season, hardly a lot of turnovers, Sunday was just an abboration. Also, Carr has a gun, there is no way Leftwhich has a better arm.
kevinjagsfan
Noob
run-david-run said:
Sorry to interrupt, but Byron was measured at the Quarterback challenge at 73 yards, more than any other Quarterback there. Carr....well he didn't get invited
Fiddy
All Pro
Neither did Manning, McNabb or Culpepper.kevinjagsfan said:
http://www.nflplayers.com/news/news_release.aspx?id=3714
Hottoddie
Veteran
Who cares about Byron? Carr is our boy & we'll ride to the big dance with him, if he's capable of getting us there. If not, then we have another QB waiting in the wings by the name of Ragone.
Even the great Dan Marino would've struggled without some consistent OL protection. This is the first year that we've had 80% of the OL remain the same from the previous year. Some of Carr's bad decisions have got to be a result of looking over his shoulder for unblocked 240lb LB's coming at him at full speed. While these guys are highly paid pros, even they get rattled by a 240lb physical specimen driving their d*ck in the dirt.
I say we give Carr & the OL half a season to see if they improve. If not, then I start looking for other options.
You've heard the biblical verse "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.". Well, we can modify it to say "Thou shalt not covet thy enemies QB.".
I don't want Byron. I want Carr, because he's here & Byron will never be.
Even the great Dan Marino would've struggled without some consistent OL protection. This is the first year that we've had 80% of the OL remain the same from the previous year. Some of Carr's bad decisions have got to be a result of looking over his shoulder for unblocked 240lb LB's coming at him at full speed. While these guys are highly paid pros, even they get rattled by a 240lb physical specimen driving their d*ck in the dirt.
I say we give Carr & the OL half a season to see if they improve. If not, then I start looking for other options.
You've heard the biblical verse "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.". Well, we can modify it to say "Thou shalt not covet thy enemies QB.".
I don't want Byron. I want Carr, because he's here & Byron will never be.
Vendetta, R.
Noob
Who's more likely to go to the Prow Bowl this year? Aj or the Jimmy? Jimmy, he'll have more yards (130 so far) , more tds (2 so far ) and be playing for a team with more wins. You're 0-1 and 0-2 is looking like a good possibility. But who knows what will happen. You might win, we might win.
This is just Lefty's 3rd year.
This is carr's 4th. And was a number #1.
The stats don't lie.
Words on here don't change the truth. This is all for fun. Most of us like Leftwich, he's progressed each year and the reasonable ones support him.
And it's not like the Jaguars O-line is great. The right side of it is, but not overall. I doubt anyone of you would list the Jaguars as top 10 Oline. Now D-line... Things change then.
This is just Lefty's 3rd year.
This is carr's 4th. And was a number #1.
The stats don't lie.
Words on here don't change the truth. This is all for fun. Most of us like Leftwich, he's progressed each year and the reasonable ones support him.
And it's not like the Jaguars O-line is great. The right side of it is, but not overall. I doubt anyone of you would list the Jaguars as top 10 Oline. Now D-line... Things change then.
HoustonFan
Veteran
Vince Young would be great. But I wonder if he'd shine behind our O-line. I wonder if DC would improve drastically behind an O-line like... what Buffalo had last week, the Colts, the Patriots. 
Scooter
Funky
run-david-run said:
jacksonville beat the texans in every defensive category last season except for turnovers (27-30), but i think the sacks make up for that (37-24). we got worse this year by exchanging glenn for buchannon & sharper for greenwood. payne, dunta, & coleman are going to have to carry our D.
i'm still fuming from last week so i'm being a little more objective than compared to coming off of a win.
Fldvldog
Waterboy
corrosion said:I agree .... Leftwitch has more to work with thats for certian but I think Carr has better QB skills overall . This is STILL an expansion team .... one that beat the Jags twice last year .
Sorry, but this is NOT an expansion team anymore...You cannot be saying that 4 years into existance...
Fldvldog said:
Count the STARTING players on each team that were drafted by that team .....Compare those rosters to the Texans ..... This IS an Expansion team . I dont expect them to compete for the play-offs for at least 2-3 more seasons . Its just not realistic unless you go out and spend huge on free agents .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Byron brings them back again. The kid is tough, stays in the pocket, takes a hit and delivers. Nice to see someone actually earning their paycheck.
Why is he able to take a pounding and make things happen and Carr does not?
Why is he able to take a pounding and make things happen and Carr does not?
Vendetta, R.
Noob
The 02 Jaguars had less talent than their expansion team. The 1995 Jaguars. After all the Salary cuts that year, they were basically one.
Henderson didn't even start.
Stroud was considered a bust at the time. It's true.
There was no mike peterson
No boselli anymore
no more keenan
Who was the Jags 2nd reciever..? patrick johnson
no deon gran
no rashean mathis
who was on the Oline?
Basically it was darius, byrant, brunell, taylor and smith.
Anyhow. The first thing Couglin did was try and build and good oline and dline.. his first two draft picks were ot.
next year he went to the dline with brackens then wynn... thats how you build. you fill in the other pieces as you go. it starts up front.
name me good teams that don't either have at least a good dline or Oline? Sure the other players are sexy picks. Oh well. Looks like the texans will get back to basics. hopefully by then drob and aj will still be around.
It comes about breaks too.. The jaguars stumbled upon jimmy smith and keenan mccardell. two damn good finds.
Henderson didn't even start.
Stroud was considered a bust at the time. It's true.
There was no mike peterson
No boselli anymore
no more keenan
Who was the Jags 2nd reciever..? patrick johnson
no deon gran
no rashean mathis
who was on the Oline?
Basically it was darius, byrant, brunell, taylor and smith.
Anyhow. The first thing Couglin did was try and build and good oline and dline.. his first two draft picks were ot.
next year he went to the dline with brackens then wynn... thats how you build. you fill in the other pieces as you go. it starts up front.
name me good teams that don't either have at least a good dline or Oline? Sure the other players are sexy picks. Oh well. Looks like the texans will get back to basics. hopefully by then drob and aj will still be around.
It comes about breaks too.. The jaguars stumbled upon jimmy smith and keenan mccardell. two damn good finds.
yaboycm
Waterboy
Vendetta said:
While I totally agree with you we need to sure up the line, via Free Agency and the draft.
I wouldn't call that breaks, I would call that scouting. Something
I'm not even going to get into how he should have picked Peppers over Carr, Portis over Pitts, Jason Witten OR LJ Smith over Joppru, or Derrick Johnson, Michael Clayton, or Marcus Spears over Travis Johnson. Or Michael Lewis. Or Lito Sheppard. Or Sheldon Brown.
I'm going to look at his quality picks:
His first NFL draft with the Texans, 2002:
Quality picks here.
Name Round Overall
Carr 1 1
Gafney 2 33
Pitts 2 50
Wells 4 99
Faggins 6 173
Wow! What a draft!!! What great players! And he even had an extra pick a round in the whole draft except 1st round. Plus, is Pitts, Jabar, or Wells quality? Certainly they are on the team but they aren't exactly very important irreplaceable guys. Faggins a very good value pick in the 6th round. Build that team Charles, build that team.
2003
Name Round Overall
Andre 1 3
Peek 3 67
Dom 4 101
This one was actually very good draft. I give him credit. One problem with this draft, not a lot of depth. We could have gone a different direction in mid-late rounds and maybe had a shot at D. Dockery, B. McMullen, A. Boldin, Bethel Johnson, M Doss, J. Witten, Ricky Manning, Chris Brown, S. Wallace, or Rasheed Mathis DL Colts - he's cold and they got him LATE.
One of these DL/LB's had to work eventually
2004
Name Round Overall
Dunta 1 10 - has a chance to be the best of the draft
That's it!! Nothing else. It's like he let his daughter make the picks based on college mascots and cool last names.
Glenn Earl 4 122 if you want to call him a quality pick
This past draft, 2005:
From what I can see so far, this is the worst draft by far.
C.C. Brown is a good pick in the 6th round.
Maybe the M&M's, Morency and Mathis can be good. If Mathis can get healthy. I think he could be a good find.
Johnson is just like a
JaguarsFan1
Practice Squad
Goldeagle said:
Whatever your smoking you should stop. It's killing your brain cells.
Vendetta, R.
Noob
update...
Carr
34tds? , 45int
Leftwich
33tds, 27int
Leftwich is just one behind or so now in tds in one full less year.
Carr
34tds? , 45int
Leftwich
33tds, 27int
Leftwich is just one behind or so now in tds in one full less year.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
right now im going to take leftwich...at least until i see how carr performs under pendry's schemes. byron is definitely the better QB bc the jags are winning games and he hasnt turned the ball over much. he is also alot more poise than carr. (maybe carr's mobility isnt quite as good a comodity as i thought.
JaguarsFan1
Practice Squad
BL turned the ball over once on Sunday. First t.o. of the year for him.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
he also recreated his ''Im hurt, please carry me down the field"moment from college......
Panther5407
Rookie
jags98 said:Atleast Our QB will stay in the pocket and take those bone crunching hits
Ater 140+ sacks, he might start trying to run but then again, its Byron. I don't think I've ever seen him run.
metalmike said:Leftwich hands down will have a better year. Carr has shown less this year than any other. Bring in Vince Young. He'll be better than both of those guys. Pretty boy Carr better be worried about his job.
It's not exactly hands down..... it's actually too close to call being that Byron missed 5 games.
But good call on Vince, even though you had no idea of knowing he'd be eligible for this years draft, Kudos fella.
Jack Bauer
Rookie
jags98 said:Atleast Our QB will stay in the pocket and take those bone crunching hits
He has too. He doesn't have the speed to get out of the pocket. Garrard will be your 1st team QB before you know it.