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By all means get rid of Carr

jerek said:
As someone who has actually been with the players and around the players in their environment, I am somewhat surprised to read often of this hypothetical emnity that exists between Carr and the rest of the team. He is highly paid, so what? So is half the locker room. I hope that his contract is negotiated in a way so as to benefit the team, but it's the NFL, QBs will always be paid the most. Everyone knows and accepts this.

Most of the players have a lot of respect for him, and I only say most because I haven't polled them individually and wouldn't want to use the all-inclusive. Read this morning's Chronicle if you want a glimpse regarding the increasingly prevalent thinking in the locker room.
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Perhaps you could introduce me to some of them sometime.
 
I hope that some of you are reading the endless amount of crap that you are typeing. It seems that one of your major points is that Super Dave, as you call him, makes too much money. Well even though he does earn his money (he get's hit repeatedly), who out there is going to do better in this system? Anybody that comes in here as an NFL QB is going to demand big money i don't care how good you think they are. That's just the way it is. Any QB that has a really good OL, running game, and and great defense is going to win. Come on guys let's be real here, Peyton would be possibly a little better in this system FOR A WHILE, but after taking a big time a$! whoppens out there every week he would fold up too. With that said, Tell me WHO YOU GONNA GET? AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD COST?:challenge
 
Lets put this season and pretty much the teams whole existance into perspective. How many games has the D blown over the last four years? Countless. How many leads have been built only to lose in the second half? How many times has the D given up three touchdowns in the first quarter? Yes they had there moments, like in pittsburg when glenne single handedly won that game. Those moments though are few and far between.

We want to win games we need a killer D. The Steelers have been good for decades cause of a D that would rip your head off. Big Ben would be nothing without a great D to support him. I know great D doesnt just grow on trees but the Texan organization has shown 0 common since on how to put a competitive team out on the field. Fangio is a crappy coach. Always has been always will be. He has never been sucessfull in any place he has ever been.

It has taken the Colts five years to undo what Fangio did there. So how long will it take the Texans?
 
All you have to do is look at the Bears to see what a good defense will do for a team. O-line isn't all of our woes by any streatch of the imagination.
 
daddypapa said:
I have been reading posts here for quite awhile and finally decided to register and post my own. I can't believe how ignorant some of you are when it comes to David Carr. Did Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and, oh yeah, Tom Brady win all their Super Bowls on their own? NO! They each had really solid defenses, quality receivers, a good running game and oh yeah, an OFFENSIVE LINE!

If you think just because he was your number one draft choice he should have an "S" on his chest and wear a cape you don't deserve to have a quarterback like David Carr.

You sound just like the Tampa Bay Bucs fans in the mid 80s with a quarterback by the name of Steve Young. Everyone blamed him and look what happened...the team let him get away and he ended up having a Hall of Fame career.

Will the same happen to David Carr? I doubt it. But, he sure as heck doesn't need all this grief from a bunch of armchair knowitalls with 20/20 hindsight.

All the same, go ahead, get rid of David Carr. Bring in Matt Leinart and watch the same thing happen while Carr flourishes with another team.

Or, do the smart thing...draft Reggie Bush and build an offensive line that can stop a rush by any team stronger than Sisters of the Poor.

Daddypapa the Wise

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and a stingier defense wouldn`t hurt either
 
Scott D said:
If the QB throws the ball and the receiver misses the ball that was thrown right at him, it's the QB's fault.

If the QB gets sacked because the front line can't protect him, it's the QB's fault.

If the Texan defense can't keep the opposing offense off the field, it's the QB's fault.

If the Texans can't win the ballgame when the Texans go down the field and get the go ahead FG and the Texans defense can't hold them, well, you guessed it. It's the QB's fault.

Pertaining to this sorry assed QB that most everybody in here is talking about probably isn't the problem. He could be part of the problem directly or indirectly. As it goes for any organization, teamwork is a must. In my field, if we don't work as a unit, we screw up. Things go wrong and deadlines are not met.

The real problem here is that the Texans are not operating as a TEAM. Now, I feel that the players we have will work very well IF, and I do mean IF, the coaching staff can get them to operate as a unit. A team. Teamwork.

Look at Green Bay, Dallas, Tennessee, San Francisco just to name a few. Granted, some of those teams you have some dead beats but for the most part they are the same group of people made up of champoins. Green bay is the one in that group that comes to mind.

Now, the heartbreaker. Anyone out there felt that the Patriots would be this bad? What are we going to do? Fire Tom Brady who won three Superbowls for the franchise? Every team has its dog days. Some lasts longer than they should. Most cases, it's not the players fault, it's the management staff's fault.
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Tom Brady has never looked like David Carr wrong comparision
 
yeah, the O-line NEVER holds up any of the rushers. Poor David Carr, poor, poor man. Imagine what would happen if the O-line only held up once all game. What are the odds that when they do David Carr does one of his infamous side arm sling throws straight into the upraised hands of a defending lineman, it dings off his hands straight up in the air, is caught by another defender, who runs it back 15 yards for a TD. I mean what are the odds of THAAAAT happening? :rolleyes:

Carr isn't the entire problem with the team. But he is ONE of the problems. The sooner some of you golden boy loving Carr fans admit that there is a problem there, the sooner we can stop reading posts about how great he is, and how it is all someone else's fault, and if he only had this, that, or the other, help he would win the Superbowl without even breaking a sweat. Probably even pulling a Manning and go 16-0 or something.

Give me a break.

Carr has some serious development problems. It is quite simply true. Bury your heads in the sand, or put on the Carr loving colored glasses, or whatever else your escape from reality is regarding Carr, but know that there are some people on the board capable of seeing and critiquing players based on their actual playing during the game.

Now do we get rid of him. No. We keep him and draft his replacement so that when we spend the next season with a new coach and scheme, we can build the team and NOT put in a rookie QB in his first year in the NFL.
 
TEXANRED said:
Welcome brother Daddypapa to the I love/I hate David Carr front line. This is an on going fight that neither side will ever agree on nor come to mutual terms in which both side can agree. You are in this for the long haul. Welcome.

However it is almost pointless to argue with the Carr haters. Their pure blind hatred for the man prevents them from ever seeing anything positive. This is the group that blames Carr for 9/11.

Calling them armchair QB's or ignorent will always shoot back with the answer, "this is a message board I can say what I want", "It's a free country", or my personal favorite "Your a do-do head."

If you throw stats at them, proving that up until this year he was putting up the same numbers as your Elway's, Farve"s, and Marino's, they will tell stats arent everything. They say that b/c they know this does prove he is pretty darn good and they are too deep in there own hatred to admit they are wrong.

It is too the point when receivers drop the ball it is still Carr's fault. Like when Bradford has a step on two defenders and Carr laid it right into his hands and Bradford dropped it. That was Carr's fault. Of course what the Carr haters say is he should have thrown to Dre so, yes he could get the 1st,but let the time run out on the clock.

Someday Carr will be on another team lighting up the score board and leading his team to divisional tittles and championships. The when the Carr lovers post things like "We told you so" those posts will be conviently moved to forums where they will never be read of seen.
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Everybody is entitled to dream on.
 
Wow, a David-Carr-post. Man, haven't seen one of those around in....ohhhhh...6 minutes? idonno:

But I digress. I'm one of those fans in the middle. I can admit that Carr has some..."worrisome tendencies". Sure, there are mechanics and things that he hasn't improved since college. I understand that pov.

However, Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring.

Think about that for a moment...let it sink in...absorb the full understanding of that reality.

Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring....

Man, I get the heeby-jeebies everytime I think about it.

The point being is that you don't have to have a stud QB if you have a good, solid supporting cast and dominant defense.

And personally, I do believe two things: David Carr is a better potential QB than Trent Dilfer, and, we aren't going to find a better QB than what we've already got anytime soon.

So, IMHO, we should keep DC, build a solid, consistent o-line, get a good TE and #2 WR, and see what happens. We'd know soon enough, if he's got a good supporting cast, if it's the QB of the future or not.

Besides, starting over with another rookie QB just makes me uneasy. Dude would suffer the same fate that DC has endured for four seasons. Man, I just don't think I could witness another one of those slaughters. :)
 
I disagree. Draft a QB: like San Diego did?
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well let me think about that for a second. San Diego drafted a QB and BAM, Drew Brees woke up and started playing up to his potential. And started winning quite a few games in the process, wow what a concept. What's the matter, all you Carr lovers think you might have to eat a little crow when Carr doesn't do the same thing? Competition is one thing that Carr has NEVER had with the current regime. I can only hope that that changes with the new coaching staff.

And Double Barrell, you correct. Carr is quite capable of managing a game, and with the proper D and special teams help we could win a game, even WITH Carr and his current flaws. He isn't a hopeless case or cause. But he definitely needs someone to step in and smack him on the back of the head and go 'what were you thinking' on some of the bonehead decisions he makes, IMHO. If the right coach's come onboard and correct Carr's problems he is well worth his salary. But I still wouldn't mind a Philip Rivers sitting there on the bench with a "I'm your replacement should you mess up, Carr" sign hanging around his neck.
 
I wouldn't mind getting a more competent QB in here to back up Carr but we don't need to spend a first round pick and another $35 million on one.
 
We should send Carr to the Eagles for one of their guys...not McNabb though, I have a feeling he's a jinx.
 
thegr8fan said:
well let me think about that for a second. San Diego drafted a QB and BAM, Drew Brees woke up and started playing up to his potential. And started winning quite a few games in the process, wow what a concept. What's the matter, all you Carr lovers think you might have to eat a little crow when Carr doesn't do the same thing? Competition is one thing that Carr has NEVER had with the current regime. I can only hope that that changes with the new coaching staff.

And Double Barrell, you correct. Carr is quite capable of managing a game, and with the proper D and special teams help we could win a game, even WITH Carr and his current flaws. He isn't a hopeless case or cause. But he definitely needs someone to step in and smack him on the back of the head and go 'what were you thinking' on some of the bonehead decisions he makes, IMHO. If the right coach's come onboard and correct Carr's problems he is well worth his salary. But I still wouldn't mind a Philip Rivers sitting there on the bench with a "I'm your replacement should you mess up, Carr" sign hanging around his neck.
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Uh nice try but San Diego brought in pieces from almost every positions to help out this team, that includes drafting another QB. Brees was a good QB before last year but didn't have the weapons needed to be a playoff team. It didn't magically happen once they drafted Rivers. They got Gates, McCardell and host of other players in the draft to blend it all together. When you see that kind of approach from our GM you just let me know. Do you see Casserly having the foresight to pick a Brady in any draft? Until then keep firing off that Carr is the problem and make yourself look blindfolded to the real problems on this team. It all starts with the defense.
 
SESupergenius said:
Uh nice try but San Diego brought in pieces from almost every positions to help out this team, that includes drafting another QB. Brees was a good QB before last year but didn't have the weapons needed to be a playoff team. It didn't magically happen once they drafted Rivers. They got Gates, McCardell and host of other players in the draft to blend it all together. When you see that kind of approach from our GM you just let me know. Do you see Casserly having the foresight to pick a Brady in any draft? Until then keep firing off that Carr is the problem and make yourself look blindfolded to the real problems on this team. It all starts with the defense.
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I agree, it's not like just drafting Philip Rivers has magically made Drew Brees an good QB.
 
Proteus said:
We, the people who understand whats really going on, see the fatal flaws in Carr. Listen, comparing Carr to the likes of Montana, Young, Bradshaw, etc. is crazy. Carr is not, and will never be like, and could never attain the greatness of those mentioned. He is a medicore QB. When the line holds up, when he takes a 5-step drop, when he scans the field for open receivers... he 75% of the time, chokes. Yes, he has made some great plays and thrown some spectacular balls, but not enough to call him great. The record books will not be flooded with his records (except most sacks), and the hall of fame will never call him up. Thats just the facts. Get over it.
~Proteus
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I am saving this post, and will be more than happy to see if you have the guts to eat crow when DC takes this team to the SB, and gets inducted into the HOF. BTW: speak for yourself!! That "We, the people who understand whats really going on," is up for debate! I KNOW whats going on and I DON't agree with you!! It will be fun to see who gets over it!!
 
shetexan I admire your spunk you lil fireball, but saying DC going to the HOF and SB is a bit premature at this point. I am a Carr supporter with a little less blind faith than most. I think there are three sides on Carr. The ones that just hate him because he has not won us games regardless of team shortcomings, the ones that love him for his potential, and the few on this MB that see potential and weigh it vs. output and team shortcomings and come out in the middle of the pack.
 
SheTexan is keeping it optimistic...and why not? DC is our QB whether we like it or not.

And remember, Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring.... :ok:
 
thegr8fan said:
Carr isn't the entire problem with the team. But he is ONE of the problems. The sooner some of you golden boy loving Carr fans admit that there is a problem there, the sooner we can stop reading posts about how great he is, and how it is all someone else's fault, and if he only had this, that, or the other, help he would win the Superbowl without even breaking a sweat. Probably even pulling a Manning and go 16-0 or something.

Give me a break.

Carr has some serious development problems. It is quite simply true. Bury your heads in the sand, or put on the Carr loving colored glasses, or whatever else your escape from reality is regarding Carr, but know that there are some people on the board capable of seeing and critiquing players based on their actual playing during the game.
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Thats funny, this golden boy loving fan is just as sick and tired of reading the same dull nonsincecall drible that spouts from the Carr haters. Week after week of the same pompus Carr slander that always seems to find a way to blame Carr for another loss.

No its not all Carr's fault but he shares some of the blame as well. There really are 21 other players out on the field.

So I will make you a deal, I will take my head out of the sand if you take your head out of your whoha and we could meet somewhere in the middle.:rolleyes:
 
Proteus said:
We, the people who understand whats really going on, see the fatal flaws in Carr. Listen, comparing Carr to the likes of Montana, Young, Bradshaw, etc. is crazy. Carr is not, and will never be like, and could never attain the greatness of those mentioned. He is a medicore QB. When the line holds up, when he takes a 5-step drop, when he scans the field for open receivers... he 75% of the time, chokes. Yes, he has made some great plays and thrown some spectacular balls, but not enough to call him great. The record books will not be flooded with his records (except most sacks), and the hall of fame will never call him up. Thats just the facts. Get over it.
~Proteus
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When Carr got some consistent pass protection, he was able to throw for more than 3,000 yards in one season. Comparing Carr to Bradshaw and Young is not crazy. I saw Bradshaw and Young in their first years with bad teams and they were laughable. I'm not saying Carr is great. Perhaps he is mediocre. But history has proven that mediocre QBs can take a team to the Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer and Stan Humphries are just two who come to mind.
 
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