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Bush wants $30 million guaranteed

MikeMc said:
Don't kid yourselves....if RBush is drafted by the Texans and paid $30mm, he will not be used in the return game (Texans have a Pro-Bowl Returner already)
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Heck, I'd say if we paid him $20mil he wouldn't be used in the return game. Hopefully he won't be doing that for us. Return guys seem like they get hurt more often anyhow. Too many times guys change direction only to be laid out by some guy untouched running full speed from the oposite side of the field.
 
kcwilson said:
Silver Lining:


I think the Jets know between Saints and Tenn, that Leinart is off the board at their slot and they used the ploy of visiting Leinart to see Reggie again. They have Ramsey to back up Pennington and would love Reggie to take over for Curtis and be the NYC poster child competitive to Eli and the Giants.
Jets are trying to be coy, but the hook is in their mouth.
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I've had this disturbing thought myself. Lots of competition for fans and advertising $ in the NY area.

Landing Bush would help the Jets take the luster off Eli and the Giants.

I want the Texans to draft Bush but I am beginning to get a sinking feeling about the whole thing.

I just remember how much of a difference Earl made when the came to the Oilers.

And yes, I do think Bush will make that kind of impact on the team.

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I just remember how much of a difference Earl made when the came to the Oilers.

And yes, I do think Bush will make that kind of impact on the team.
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Exactly. At this point I would be surprised if we DO draft Reggie...
 
MikeMc said:
If RBush wants to add 10% to the top RB chosen last year (among top 5 picks), then I do not feel bad with that tactic.....but to be as ignorant as this to demand QB money, leads me to believe he is not the guy the Texans should draft....I can see negotiations being a problem from day one. And we all know that rookies not in camp from Day1 do not have the success as those that are in camp. Proven fact!
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REmember a little while back, we were talking about the candidates and the #1 pick??

Some guys were saying one person in particular was all about the money, and the other just wanted to play for his home town team??

This just makes me believe Reggie is all about the money.

I understand he's the most explosive RB to come out since LT....... but fair is fair......

Now, I'm not saying Reggie is asking for $30 mil gauranteed......... something like 50-60 mill....... I'm saying if it is true, it sounds like it's all about the money.

If my client was going to ask for something like that, or I as his agent thought he was worth it, and that we should be able to get it........ I wouldn't have thrown that # out there. I'd have the Texans make an offer..... if they aren't close......... I'd just leave.

I'd do my agent thing, and find out who is interested, and let it be known that my player would love to play for that team...
 
kcwilson said:
Silver Lining:

When Reggie comes to the Texans at $30M, what does that tell us from a negotiation standpoint? Exactly. Reggie wants to go to NYJets and probably sees that as a better career path due to Madison Avenue. I don't blame him, it is where he can maximize his exposure.

From our standpoint, it means that we may have some bargaining power to trade down with the Jets
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We have no trading power because of this, not with the Jets. $30 mill is too much for us, won't happen. The Jets would expect us to pass...... N.O. takes Mario, Tenn Takes Vince........

Bush is there. & they shouldn't expect Reggie to expect $30mil gauranteed.

& the only thing the Giants has over the Jets, is that the Giants are winning football games...
 
infantrycak said:
This should be expected from anyone taken #1. Alex Smith's contract had $24 mil in guaranteed money. Just a 10% increase (and the cap increase was more than 10%) gets you to $26.4 mil. $30 as an opener isn't shocking.
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True but were talking about a Running back here not a QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
We have no trading power because of this, not with the Jets. $30 mill is too much for us, won't happen. The Jets would expect us to pass...... N.O. takes Mario, Tenn Takes Vince........

Bush is there. & they shouldn't expect Reggie to expect $30mil gauranteed.

& the only thing the Giants has over the Jets, is that the Giants are winning football games...
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If we don't trade, we take Reggie... No doubt about that. Our trading power is only as good as those that want the pick, so in reality, we never have power, just suitors. The Jets in my opinion are suitors because I think they wopuld love to mix that kind of prime time player in the fold. I also think Reggie would be willing to take slightly less money from them because of the NY endorsements he would receive.

I don't think we pay $30, but it is realistic to pay what Alex Smith got paid last year... I mean, who is Alex Smith, if Reggie or Matt came out in the draft in 2005, they would have gotten more attention than Alex Smith.
 
Per KFFL News Wire

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700
Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.
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kcwilson said:
If we don't trade, we take Reggie... No doubt about that. Our trading power is only as good as those that want the pick, so in reality, we never have power, just suitors. The Jets in my opinion are suitors because I think they wopuld love to mix that kind of prime time player in the fold. I also think Reggie would be willing to take slightly less money from them because of the NY endorsements he would receive.

I don't think we pay $30, but it is realistic to pay what Alex Smith got paid last year... I mean, who is Alex Smith, if Reggie or Matt came out in the draft in 2005, they would have gotten more attention than Alex Smith.
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pssshh

there are folks on this board, who say that Ronnie Brown is better than Reggie Bush, and he couldn't get the #1 spot from Alex.
 
kastofsna said:
100% chance houston drafts bush.
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I've posted this before, but here is the reason I think we are flirting with Mario and worried a little about Reggie:

The Texans put a premium on signing a player before the draft.

Reggie Bush has stated that he wants to make sure that he is in camp on time, but does not feel pressure to be signed up before the draft. He said he would liked to be signed up before the draft but doesn't want to do that on a discount. (no link--just the interview as I heard it on 610)

Anyhow, ran across this information and thought it was interesting:

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"I don't think you can say it's a reputation," he said. "If it is, then that report in that one magazine about agents who hold their guys out the longest, what's that?"

[Marvin] Lewis referred to a report in a recent issue of "SportsBusiness Journal" that showed Condon and partner Ken Kremer of IMG have held-out 13 first-round draft picks since 1995. Agents Eugene Parker and Roosevelt Barnes also have held-out 13.

But Condon and Kremer have far many more first-round picks, 30, than Parker and Barnes, who had 22, the magazine reported. Condon and Kremer's clients have held-out 43 percent of the time. Parker and Barnes' rookie first-round clients - including Perry - have held-out 59 percent of the time.

But agents with far fewer first-round picks since 1995 have much higher incidents of holdouts, according to "SportsBusiness Journal:"

Neil Cornrich, 5 of 6, 83 percent; Jimmy Sexton and Joel Segal both have held-out 7 of 9 (78 percent) first-round clients since '95. Carl and Kevin Poston have held-out seven of their 10 first-round rookies.

"Reputation goes both ways. It's not one-sided. Fair is fair," Lewis said.
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(You can find the original SportsBusiness Journal article pretty easily but it is subscription only and I don't want to go through the bother of signing up for the free subscription).

My thinking outloud:

The Texans cannot afford to have their first pick hold out, especially if they are a player that they would like to design a part of their offense around. With a new coach, a new system and a bunch of free agents coming in, getting that pick signed means something.

And if you can't get that done before the draft, even though that is one of the privileges of the first pick, well then, that is a problem.

So, I am guessing this is why the Texans are gaming a bit. 7 of 9 is a sucko statistic.

That being said, I am not a fan of being too cute with your draft picks.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Once again I face the issue...we are gettin' VY in the 1st pick or trade down to Willie. Everybody needs to face the it...RB is allready askin' way too much mulla but hey everything will be fine and dandy when #10 is drafted 1st .....trust me right Thunderkyss?! You on the same page. Tell 'em. Its the truth.:redtowel:
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I'm glad no one read my post on the page before this one. Read the BOLD, ITALIZIED, UNDERLINED Letters. He didn't ask for 30 million.

Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700
Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.
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I'm feeling a little better & I think it may get done now. Right now, I am back to feeling like it is 60/40 trade down over drafting Bush. I do not believe Williams will go # 1.
 
I told you so, I guessed 30 mil up front over two weeks ago. Its not Bush's fault, when every sports caster in the nation is blowing smoke up your butt this is what happens. Its just like Charley C. said on the NFL Network interview, Reggie is not the next M. Jordan. Quote Charley C. "He is a kid who has shown he can only carry the ball 15 times a game. People boast about his 40 inch verticle, Mario Williams had a 40 inch verticle and he is 9 inches taller than Reggie and outweighs him by 90 lbs." I say pass on Reggie, he is not worth that kind of money for our team. He wont even return kicks for us, and most of the offensive plays Denver ran last year they had a FB TE 2WR and RB in the game so saying Bush will help out at the #3 reciever spot is realling stretching it. Sorry Fans, Bush is a no-go unless he cuts that 30 mil in half.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
I told you so, I guessed 30 mil up front over two weeks ago. Its not Bush's fault, when every sports caster in the nation is blowing smoke up your butt this is what happens. Its just like Charley C. said on the NFL Network interview, Reggie is not the next M. Jordan. Quote Charley C. "He is a kid who has shown he can only carry the ball 15 times a game. People boast about his 40 inch verticle, Mario Williams had a 40 inch verticle and he is 9 inches taller than Reggie and outweighs him by 90 lbs." I say pass on Reggie, he is not worth that kind of money for our team. He wont even return kicks for us, and most of the offensive plays Denver ran last year they had a FB TE 2WR and RB in the game so saying Bush will help out at the #3 reciever spot is realling stretching it. Sorry Fans, Bush is a no-go unless he cuts that 30 mil in half.
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Jesus Christ.
Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700
Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.
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The 30 million was made up. If you believe everything the media says, John Kerry would be president!
 
johnny_tlmn said:
I beg the differ my friend. Me, I'd like to see VY here more than RB just simply because I played against the guy and I know what he is capable of(when he was with Madison High). Other than that I know by future reference that RB will be wantin' way too much money for us to sign him especially when we have been very active in the FA. But hey all I'm sayin' draft VY or trade down and pick more picks and AJ hawk or that D'Brick dude or M. Williams out.




I said this a while ago and I still stand to it unless somebody proves me wrong.:cool:
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Well since you played against him in high school my mind is set.
 
Yea it is made up, O.K.???? I guess that is why the Texans invited him in and have not made one positive comment about the guy since. Look go to www.nfl.com, they have Charley C. speaking, listen to how he feels about Reggie, listen to how he mocks Bush's pro-day marks. LOL Bush will not be a Texan, the faster you people can suck it up and get over it the better it will be for yourselves.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
The 30 million was made up. If you believe everything the media says, John Kerry would be president! By Franky
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Thats hilarious!lol:
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Do you enjoy paying 2.80 for regular unleaded. LOL We better not go this route I will make you look like such a fool.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Yea it is made up, O.K.???? I guess that is why the Texans invited him in and have not made one positive comment about the guy since. Look go to www.nfl.com, they have Charley C. speaking, listen to how he feels about Reggie, listen to how he mocks Bushes pro-day marks. LOL Bush will not be a Texan, the faster you people can suck it up and get over it the better it will be for yourselves.
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I don't know how people on this board can deal in absolutes when they have no idea what the Texans are going to do.
"The Texans will not draft Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Mario Williams, period, end of discussion." Give that story a rest guys.
Unless the top tier brass of the Texans is Frank_The_Tank, then no, we have no idea what they are going to do. Just because GM's say one thing, doesn't mean they are going to do it/mean it.

The Texans have not said one negative thing about him either. Just because you are down on one player doesn't mean they are not going to draft him. Suck it up.
 
The Dude Abides said:
I don't know how people on this board can deal in absolutes when they have no idea what the Texans are going to do.
"The Texans will not draft Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Mario Williams, period, end of discussion." Give that story a rest guys.
Unless the top tier brass of the Texans is Frank_The_Tank, then no, we have no idea what they are going to do. Just because GM's say one thing, doesn't mean they are going to do it/mean it.

The Texans have not said one negative thing about him either. Just because you are down on one player doesn't mean they are not going to draft him. Suck it up.
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Did I mention www.nfl.com look at the video selections, click on Casselry and listen how he talks about Bush.
 
What if, nine days from now, the unthinkable happened?

What if the Houston Texans follow through on the charade they're currently playing and take North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft?

What if, when the Saints are in the clock, USC running back Reggie Bush is still available? ...
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They wish.
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The Dude Abides said:
"The Texans will not draft Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Mario Williams, period, end of discussion."
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If there were half as many "probablies", "maybes", and "I thinks" on this board as there are "periods":

I think there would probably be more intelligent discussions.

Maybe.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
True but were talking about a Running back here not a QB.
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And when you can find three examples of out of draft position payments in the last 10 years, that will make a difference. NFL rookie contracts are done on draft position not playing position.
 
infantrycak said:
And when you can find three examples of out of draft position payments in the last 10 years, that will make a difference. NFL rookie contracts are done on draft position not playing position.
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With the exception of 2000 all of the first picks from 1998-2005 have been quarterbacks, just for reference. 2000 - Cleveland picks DE Courtney Brown.
 
I haven't been able to find a good link to put up here, but I was searching for Ronnie Brown's guaranteed salary, since I figured that would be the best reference for a running back last year, and he was picked #2. He was given $18.5 million guaranteed. You can doubt me and look it up since I don't have a link, but I tried to find one. I'm bad at that.
 
Texans86 said:
With the exception of 2000 all of the first picks from 1998-2005 have been quarterbacks, just for reference. 2000 - Cleveland picks DE Courtney Brown.
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Yes, but if you look lower in the draft there are plenty of examples of players at lower paid positions being taken in front of players at higher paid positions--Sean Taylor and Kellen Winslow in front of Roy Williams, Dunta in front of Big Ben, Vilma in front of Evans, etc. They were paid according to draft slot not position. You didn't see Sean Taylor taking safety money, he got #5 money. There is ample evidence of slotting and no evidence for applying average non-rookie contract prices to rookie contracts.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes, but if you look lower in the draft there are plenty of examples of players at lower paid positions being taken in front of players at higher paid positions--Sean Taylor and Kellen Winslow in front of Roy Williams, Dunta in front of Big Ben, Vilma in front of Evans, etc. They were paid according to draft slot not position. You didn't see Sean Taylor taking safety money, he got #5 money. There is ample evidence of slotting and no evidence for applying average non-rookie contract prices to rookie contracts.
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Well, I do see your point, but if I remember correctly, QB gets paid most, followed by CB, DE and S. So their numbers can also be comperable coming out of the draft.

I still wish the NFL set rookie salaries, giving a range that salaries cannot exceed each year. I wish they would go even further and take something from Baseball (my goodness am I getting something from MLB) and not give huge contracts to rookies. They have to prove themselves to get paid the real money. Of course, the sky is the limit from there.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Dunta in front of Big Ben ? Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. LOL .:redtowel: I didn't even realize
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Yep, we pick D.Robinson with the 10th pick and Pittsburg takes Rothlisberger with the 11th. Shows the difference of a couple years and some playmakers.
 
Runner said:
If there were half as many "probablies", "maybes", and "I thinks" on this board as there are "periods":

I think there would probably be more intelligent discussions.

Maybe.
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Scratch this post. I edited it.
 
Superstar said:
Reggie bush aint worth that much! Maybe a few years down the road if has got us to the afc championship. i say right now he worth around 15 million for 3 years. I swear who is dumber vince young or reggie bush? :brickwall
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Vince was educated by HISD. Who do you think is smarter??????????????

He says things like "Dat" and "Dere".Madison Highschool must have been all about the foozeball.UT did not do too good of a job bringing him up to speed either.

Reggie is well spoken but he seems to be somewhat of an arrogant little you know what .
 
Texans86 said:
Well, I do see your point, but if I remember correctly, QB gets paid most, followed by CB, DE and S. So their numbers can also be comperable coming out of the draft.
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I completely agree rookie salaries should be charted and lowered and frankly am surprised the new CBA didn't do something about that. As it stands though, everything you are saying about QB, CB, DE, S etc. is for non-rookie contracts. When players sign their 2nd and subsequent contracts there is a defined zone by position, but on rookie contracts there has been zero or very little draft position jumping based on the average pay on non-rookie contracts by position. In the past few years, you get paid between what the guys above and below you get paid and the whole scale moves up slightly from the scale for the year before. That's another way of looking at what I am saying. Sean Taylor at #5 in 2004 didn't get paid less than Terrence Newman did for #5 in 2003. There is an example with an even greater position based salary split than RB and QB but draft position ruled.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Vince was educated by HISD. Who do you think is smarter??????????????

He says things like "Dat" and "Dere".Madison Highschool must have been all about the foozeball.UT did not do too good of a job bringing him up to speed either.

Reggie is well spoken but he seems to be somewhat of an arrogant little you know what .
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Hey, don't diss da HISD, ya feel me:challenge :respect:
 
thunderkyss said:
pssshh

there are folks on this board, who say that Ronnie Brown is better than Reggie Bush, and he couldn't get the #1 spot from Alex.
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Yeah, cause you know how many posters on this board are more qualified than NFL scouts. :rolleyes: If anyone says Ronnie Brown is even comparable to Reggie as a pure prospect, they are a complete joke.

As for VY's intelligence (or lack of), it is pretty much a fact that he doesn't present himself as a smart guy. "Shut up" was his response about hiring family to represent him rather than professionals. Personnally, I do think he is immature and lacking intelligence as advertised by VY himself. In college, all he had to do was play. In the NFL, he's going to have to be the face of the organization, communicate with coaches, and communicate with the media. He hasn't shown he can do that at all. If I'm an owner, I know that I do not want him in front of a mic for too long.

Does than mean he's going to be a crappy QB? Not necessarily. But I can tell you I don't know many good QBs who don't know how to carry themselves well. It's just not his lack of linguistic skills either. If he's on TV off of the football field, it always seems he does more wrong things than right things. You talk about VY has great intangibles, but he's got a lot of bad ones as well. All I know is that he has to start acting like a professional sometime soon. He seems like the type of guy who really needs a good mentor if he is to become a good QB. Just my 2 cents and my personnel perception of VY.
 
infantrycak said:
I completely agree rookie salaries should be charted and lowered and frankly am surprised the new CBA didn't do something about that. As it stands though, everything you are saying about QB, CB, DE, S etc. is for non-rookie contracts. When players sign their 2nd and subsequent contracts there is a defined zone by position, but on rookie contracts there has been zero or very little draft position jumping based on the average pay on non-rookie contracts by position. In the past few years, you get paid between what the guys above and below you get paid and the whole scale moves up slightly from the scale for the year before. That's another way of looking at what I am saying. Sean Taylor at #5 in 2004 didn't get paid less than Terrence Newman did for #5 in 2003. There is an example with an even greater position based salary split than RB and QB but draft position ruled.
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for the most part, I agree... you are correct.

But in years past, the biggest jumps in the contracts have been when a QB has gone #1. For any position other than the QB, there have been modest jumps, if any at all.
 
infantrycak said:
This should be expected from anyone taken #1. Alex Smith's contract had $24 mil in guaranteed money. Just a 10% increase (and the cap increase was more than 10%) gets you to $26.4 mil. $30 as an opener isn't shocking.
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My point exactly. I think he will get 26 mil guaranteed.
 
I can't believe we are actually considering not drafting this guy based on a few million dollars. Folks, this guy is the deal. Yes, bad stuff can happen, but it can happen to anyone in this draft. I say use that number as a starting point and let's get to work.
 
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Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700

Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.
 
barzilla said:
I can't believe we are actually considering not drafting this guy based on a few million dollars. Folks, this guy is the deal. Yes, bad stuff can happen, but it can happen to anyone in this draft. I say use that number as a starting point and let's get to work.
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Personally, I think DD, & Morency both have a lot more to offer than we have seen. Once Kubiak get's his Zone block/cut blocking on, we'll see DD with over 2000 all purpose yards......... he isn't flashy, his big plays go for 40/50 yards,and not 80, but DD averages well against all the big time RBs. He was ranked 19th his rookie year, amoung NFL Runningbacks, 15th in his second season, & 9th his 3rd season in the league, all the while being on a bad NFL team..... ranked 30th or something in total offense.

If I were Kubiak, I'd still like to trade down, with the '49ers, take their #6, their #22(??), a player to be named later, or their 1st next year.

With that #6, I'd take Justice, Huff, AJ, Davis or Young(in that order). With the #22, I'd be looking to get Williams, Kiwanuka, Moroney, Allen....
 
thunderkyss said:
But in years past, the biggest jumps in the contracts have been when a QB has gone #1. For any position other than the QB, there have been modest jumps, if any at all.
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Do you have some numbers/examples demonstrating that?--and what was the corresponding cap increase for each of those years as well?
 
infantrycak said:
I completely agree rookie salaries should be charted and lowered and frankly am surprised the new CBA didn't do something about that. As it stands though, everything you are saying about QB, CB, DE, S etc. is for non-rookie contracts. When players sign their 2nd and subsequent contracts there is a defined zone by position, but on rookie contracts there has been zero or very little draft position jumping based on the average pay on non-rookie contracts by position. In the past few years, you get paid between what the guys above and below you get paid and the whole scale moves up slightly from the scale for the year before. That's another way of looking at what I am saying. Sean Taylor at #5 in 2004 didn't get paid less than Terrence Newman did for #5 in 2003. There is an example with an even greater position based salary split than RB and QB but draft position ruled.
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Exactly. First round draft picks are paid more or less by draft slot, while non-rookie contracts are negotiated based primarily by both position and skill (unless you're Dan Ferens, our negotiations guy, in which case you pay players exorbitant amounts of money that leave fans scratching their heads.) I don't think there is any mathematical formula to the increases; I think it is just ballparked and of course a guy like Reggie Bush -- MHPA (most hyped player available) -- will get away with asking for slightly more than expected and probably get it too.
 
Like DeAngelo WIlliams said, the key is to get 8 first downs (80 yrds) as opposed to trying for one 80 yrd run. That shows the difference between a selfish player (wanting the glory for himself) and a team player (wanting the team to be successful).

A team that can sustain drives, kill the clock, and score....will help the defense dominate a game by keeping them fresh (off the field). DD shows he can help sustain drives. The OC play-calling last year killed drives!

Have a strong Offensive game plan, mixed with a solid defense...and this team is going places. Get that stud DE (Mario) and the defense will be strong. Get RB, and the offense may not necessarily be strong. A defense can shut-down one player......most offenses must change plans if a player is dominating the OL/Offense (like a Mario Williams would). That is called getting the offense out of their gameplan.
 
PHAN1 This post is in responce to yours.
Do you write any other fictional stories with your spare time? First, Ronnie Brown is just as good if not a better prospect as Reggie Bush in many people eyes. Second, in America we still have the freedom of choice; George Bush has yet to find an excuse to take that liberty away from the people like he has with other civil liberties, so as far as I am concerned Vince Young still has the right to chose the personnel he feels is right for managing his legalities. If Vince Young wants to hire a family friend, NOTE: Who is a Lawyer and his Uncle, NOTE: College Educated, to be his agents then I say go right ahead. From the basis that they refused to take power of attorney just proves how much they care about their jobs and their protection of Vince. Oh, and from the comment you made above I guess I am going to have to explain what power of attorney is so here is a brief definition: Power of Attorney is legal documentation that permits a person to have legal authority to act on your behalf in financial or medical matters. Layman terms, POA gives them to total access to every dime he earns. With POA a person could clean you out and legally there is nothing you could do because you agreed to give POA. Vince Young’s agents sound like good men to have backing you. The comment about Vince saying SHUT UP is fabricated by you and is a total lie. Given the scrutiny that Vince has gone through I think he has done very well. The Wonderlic Test is a joke, and if Dan Marino scored a ten then Vince scoring a 16 is just fine. The truth is most of you guys are so pissed that the Texans are not taking Bush that you are all referring back to what you do best, and that is bashing Young.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
PHAN1 This post is in responce to yours.
Do you write any other fictional stories with your spare time? First, Ronnie Brown is just as good if not a better prospect as Reggie Bush in many people eyes. Second, in America we still have the freedom of choice; George Bush has yet to find an excuse to take that liberty away from the people like he has with other civil liberties, so as far as I am concerned Vince Young still has the right to chose the personnel he feels is right for managing his legalities. If Vince Young wants to hire a family friend, NOTE: Who is a Lawyer and his Uncle, NOTE: College Educated, to be his agents then I say go right ahead. From the basis that they refused to take power of attorney just proves how much they care about their jobs and their protection of Vince. Oh, and from the comment you made above I guess I am going to have to explain what power of attorney is so here is a brief definition: Power of Attorney is legal documentation that permits a person to have legal authority to act on your behalf in financial or medical matters. Layman terms, POA gives them to total access to every dime he earns. With POA a person could clean you out and legally there is nothing you could do because you agreed to give POA. Vince Young’s agents sound like good men to have backing you. The comment about Vince saying SHUT UP is fabricated by you and is a total lie. Given the scrutiny that Vince has gone through I think he has done very well. The Wonderlic Test is a joke, and if Dan Marino scored a ten then Vince scoring a 16 is just fine. The truth is most of you guys are so pissed that the Texans are not taking Bush that you are all referring back to what you do best, and that is bashing Young.
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hey, get over yourself man. that really isn't the truth. i haven't been for drafting VY since everybody jumped on him after the Rose Bowl. for the one hundreth time, just because we want somebody other than VY, doesn't mean we are bashing him. you sound like one of those professors that talks down to their students just to make themselves feel smarter.
 
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