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Bush vs. Lundy

cuppacoffee said:
Thus proving my point for me.

"Then you obviously have no clue about the other ways Mario can have an effect on the d-line."


This may give you an idea of what Texan fans think about our choice of MW.

Who cares what boys fans think?

Personally, if I wanted your opinion on our draft choices I would go to the boys MB (you do have one, don't you?) and give you one...:D

Have a nice day.

:coffee:
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well im waiting for an answer?? why try to dodge my question...:tease:
 
Had to post this piece

Oddsmakers are already giving Bush The Offensive Rookie of the year. Lundi is a 35:1 shot. Odds are.....

Come to think of it, maybe they're referring to another meaning of "offensive"...you think?
 
Trade'06pick said:
I'm a big Bama fan. Here is a quote from Bama defensive coach Kines: "Demeco isn't the strongest or the fastest linebacker on our team, but he has a nose for the ball and it seems like he is almost always there." Demeco got the first tackle in the game.

I am so pumped up I can barely contain myself!
:yahoo:
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This sounds like a linebacker many may remember that is a HOFer now.

Mike Singletary!!!

I hope Demeco continues to play with his instincts.
 
The Dream said:
Lundy looked good last night, but I have a strong feeling Bush will be better than him in the long run.
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Without a doubt.

Unfortunately, behind the Texans offensive line, he would look absolutely horrible. The same way he will look for the next 2 or 3 years in NO.

Thats the problem with being a terrific prospect, and being drafted number 1 or 2. You always end up playing with a supporting cast that sucks.
 
PhillyFan said:
Without a doubt.

Unfortunately, behind the Texans offensive line, he would look absolutely horrible. The same way he will look for the next 2 or 3 years in NO.

Thats the problem with being a terrific prospect, and being drafted number 1 or 2. You always end up playing with a supporting cast that sucks.
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Guess he is really thanking his stars he didn't go to Philly then:

Houston 5.1 ypc, 158 ypg
Philly 2.9 ypc, 79.7 ypg
 
Taking Back Sunday said:
Bush vs. the Tacks

If you look at the highlights - #93 Bosch and #22 over pursues and if they stayed home and contained Bush that run would have gone for naught. If I am the opposing DC I make RB go inside. Do not let him hit the outside.

Containment!
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Sssh ... ESPN might hear.
 
PhillyFan said:
Can I ask where that stat came from please?
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My guess is this pre-season...whats your point ? It would have to be pre-season seeing as those are the only games Bush has played in...right ?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
My guess is this pre-season...whats your point ? It would have to be pre-season seeing as those are the only games Bush has played in...right ?
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My point is, if its the preseason, its Jim Bob Jones rushing the ball.

Preseason stats mean as much now as they will 16 weeks from now.

Not a darn thing.

If you need to use preseason stats to pump yourself up, have a blast. But youre only fooling yourself.
 
PhillyFan said:
If you need to use preseason stats to pump yourself up, have a blast. But youre only fooling yourself.
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Whoohoo get to whip this out:

:potkettle:

Said the Philly fan talking about team achievements from 2004.

Preseason is certainly not regular season but (a) Houston wasn't a bad rushing team last year and (b) it is going to be an even better one this year which so far has been consistant with the preseason performance. Now Philly and its 28th ranked rushing attack 3.9 ypc last year shouldn't be talking smack about the Texans 15th ranked rushing attack at 4.2 ypc last year.
 
infantrycak said:
Whoohoo get to whip this out:

:potkettle:

Said the Philly fan talking about team achievements from 2004.

Preseason is certainly not regular season but (a) Houston wasn't a bad rushing team last year and (b) it is going to be an even better one this year which so far has been consistant with the preseason performance. Now Philly and its 28th ranked rushing attack 3.9 ypc last year shouldn't be talking smack about the Texans 15th ranked rushing attack at 4.2 ypc last year.
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Ouch, said the Philly fan.

How's McNubb looking this year?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Had to post this piece

Oddsmakers are already giving Bush The Offensive Rookie of the year. Lundi is a 35:1 shot. Odds are.....

Come to think of it, maybe they're referring to another meaning of "offensive"...you think?
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My favorite was when one of the ESPN talking heads was going on and on after the Dallas game about how Reggie Bush was going to be the OROY and in the same segment they showed his 1.8 ypc average on the screen and nobody said a word about it. They just kept showing the same two good runs over and over from different angles. Somehow the one where DeMarcus Ware drops him solo in the open field didn't get shown.

Does Reggie Bush have pictures of some ESPN exec cheating on his wife?
 
cbnjwill said:
thunderkyss ur predicting more than 10 wins this season for the texans? bold prediction if u feel strongly about that u should go to vegas and bet some cash because u could get great odds on that prediction. if nothing else i would take some of the action even though im a texans fan no way can isee them winning 11 games this yr. they actuallly have a tough schedule considering they were the worst team in the league last yr. i think they will be around the 6-8 win mark this yr.
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I'm in agreement with you. 6-8 we did enoguih in the draft and front office to put thisteam back on the road it was on at the end of 04.
 
Wow. I feel so dejected now.

Please quote me on the stats I used from 2004. Im anxiously awaiting that.

The only stat you will ever see me use is wins and losses. Everything else is irrelevant. You could rush for 32,000 yards a year, but if you have 2 wins, it amounts to nothing.

The Eagles had 6 wins last year. How many did the Texans have? Ahh, right...

See? I come over to your boards for a friendly discussion, and your "Senior Moderator" is the one starting things with visiting posters.
 
jerek said:
How's McNubb looking this year?
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Very good thank you. He is healthy again, and playing well.

If you didnt catch it, take a peek at the video from the first drive of the Hall of Fame Game.
 
PhillyFan said:
See? I come over to your boards for a friendly discussion, and your "Senior Moderator" is the one starting things with visiting posters.
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Someone actually talks football and disturbs you from your "we are better and you don't stand a chance" chest thumping and you get your panties up your crack? I'd have thought Philly fans were a little tougher.

Of all the things to slam on the Texans as a Philly fan (i.e. you starting things), the running game was the poorest choice around (aka very uninformed).
 
infantrycak said:
Someone actually talks football and disturbs you from your "we are better and you don't stand a chance" chest thumping and you get your panties up your crack? I'd have thought Philly fans were a little tougher.

Of all the things to slam on the Texans as a Philly fan (i.e. you starting things), the running game was the poorest choice around (aka very uninformed).
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Are you mentally challenged?

I think you might have read someone elses post as mine or something...or you just cant read...

Not once did I even talk about the Texans running game :confused:

If I were to start on the Texans, my first point of attack would be the Quarterback. Who by the way....sucks...

Then I would pick on your record.

Then I would pick on the fact the Eagles have played in more playoff games in the last 2 years, than you have in the history of your franchise...

There are a lot of points I could pick on the Texans about. Their running game isnt one of them.
 
Infantrycak said:
PhillyFan said:
My point is, if its the preseason, its Jim Bob Jones rushing the ball.

If you need to use preseason stats to pump yourself up, have a blast. But youre only fooling yourself.
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Whoohoo get to whip this out:

:potkettle:

Said the Philly fan talking about team achievements from 2004.

Preseason is certainly not regular season but (a) Houston wasn't a bad rushing team last year and (b) it is going to be an even better one this year which so far has been consistant with the preseason performance. Now Philly and its 28th ranked rushing attack 3.9 ypc last year shouldn't be talking smack about the Texans 15th ranked rushing attack at 4.2 ypc last year.
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PhillyFan said:
Are you mentally challenged?

I think you might have read someone elses post as mine or something...or you just cant read...

Not once did I even talk about the Texans running game :confused:

If I were to start on the Texans, my first point of attack would be the Quarterback. Who by the way....sucks...

Then I would pick on your record.

Then I would pick on the fact the Eagles have played in more playoff games in the last 2 years, than you have in the history of your franchise...

There are a lot of points I could pick on the Texans about. Their running game isnt one of them.
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Well it's very hard to predict where the Texans will be compared to the 2-14 team we had last year because our team has gone through so much change. We have a completely new offense and defense, new coaching staff, new GM and added veteran talent. The only thing teams can guage this team with is the similarities with Denver. I'm not saying we are the same as Denver, well not yet anyways, but that is the closet thing to compare us to. No way you can compare us to the 2-14 teams we had last year. Can care to guess what Philly did with Denver the last time they met? It wasn't pretty for Philly.
 
Taking Back Sunday said:
I think you were talking about Bush and the running game right?:francis:
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And that has to do with the Texans rushing game how???

Man...you guys and your 2-14 teams.


You really need to stretch to feel good about yourself. Sad...really...
 
infantrycak said:
Reggie only had 6 carries. That said, he averaged 3 ypc on his non-big play. Take out Lundy's big play and he averaged 4.25. Lundy will never be Bush, and Bush will never be a grinder.
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you forgot to mention is Bush is...OVERRATED!!!! less the slobbered all over 44 yard run Bush has carried 9 times for 22 yards an avg of 2.44 yards a carry. YAWN!!!!:crutch:
 
Reggie Bush ---> running back ---> Texans offensive line ---> look horrible running behind our offensive line


Yea, I don't see the connection to the Texans rushing game either. lol
 
PhillyFan said:
And that has to do with the Texans rushing game how???

Man...you guys and your 2-14 teams.


You really need to stretch to feel good about yourself. Sad...really...
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If I were you I really wouldn't talk about other peoples teams. It must really suck to play in a division where everytime you talk smack to divisional rivals you get knocked down by the SB trump card. Historically known as the NFC East whipping boys. Ya'll had ya'lls little run (Buffalo Bills B team) when the NFC East and conference was a joke. (Philly wouldn't survive in the AFC). Now this year the 3 big teams will step up and knock little brother back down. In fact when was the last time Philly won anything at anything, probably not even in your lifetime.

Man........you guys and your underachieving pro sports teams.
 
PhillyFan said:
Are you mentally challenged?

I think you might have read someone elses post as mine or something...or you just cant read...

Not once did I even talk about the Texans running game :confused:

If I were to start on the Texans, my first point of attack would be the Quarterback. Who by the way....sucks...

Then I would pick on your record.

Then I would pick on the fact the Eagles have played in more playoff games in the last 2 years, than you have in the history of your franchise...

There are a lot of points I could pick on the Texans about. Their running game isnt one of them.
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Well, comparing the tradition of a 70+ year old franchise with one that's only had 4 seasons is just sad. Last year, you had 6 wins... so... you really weren't very good last year, either. You've got just as much to prove as we do.

If you want to compare apples to something resembling apples, it took the Eagles 12 years before they had a team with a winning record. We've still got 8 years before you can talk smack about that.

Our QB is, unfortunately, a source of a lot of debate even among the fans. A lot of us blame his development on some bad coaching but even so, a couple of years ago, he threw for over 3500 yards. McNabb has only thrown for more yards than that once in his career. Carr has thrown for a higher completion percentage than McNabb. McNabb is a better, more experienced QB and has thrown for more TD's and less INT's than DC but the difference might not be as great as you think.
 
Originally Posted by The Dream
Lundy looked good last night, but I have a strong feeling Bush will be better than him in the long run.
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..........If he lives that long. Lundy is a strong runner who has definitely shown that he is able to make yardage between the tackles, and to carry some defenders on his back a couple of extra yards if he needs to.

The Saints, on the other hand, better hope and pray that Duece can "carry the load" AND stay healthy, because Bush will not be able to function in the NFL without his trusty complimentary work horse......if even then. Let's look at how many carries Bush had last year in each of his 12 games..................12, 8, 20, 17, 14, 15, 8, 17, 12, 17 23, 24, respectively (plus 13 in the Rose Bowl). My opinion is that Bush will get killed in this league because his outside game will not be there with the faster NFL D, and forcing him to to run between tackles will soon resemble a hari kari maneuver. In college he was able to avoid major repeated contact due to his elusiveness. In the NFL, his body parts will be introduced to many a brick wall.
 
Carr Bomb said:
If I were you I really wouldn't talk about other peoples teams. It must really suck to play in a division where everytime you talk smack to divisional rivals you get knocked down by the SB trump card. Historically known as the NFC East whipping boys. Ya'll had ya'lls little run (Buffalo Bills B team) when the NFC East and conference was a joke. (Philly wouldn't survive in the AFC). Now this year the 3 big teams will step up and knock little brother back down. In fact when was the last time Philly won anything at anything, probably not even in your lifetime.

Man........you guys and your underachieving pro sports teams.
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Well let's see....the Phillies..hmm...no...the 76ers....hmm...no...well I guess they haven't won diddly. Wait! Ya'll have a hockey team, right? Are they good? Do ya'll have a WNBA team? Maybe they're good. Stick with hockey, yankee doodle dandy.
 
Vinny said:
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Vinny....... for us of lesser intelligence, can you help us understand how Kevin Winslow getting de-cleated figures into this discussion...... please??
 
thunderkyss said:
Vinny....... for us of lesser intelligence, can you help us understand how Kevin Winslow getting de-cleated figures into this discussion...... please??
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He is saying that phillyfan got owned by cak.
 
PhillyFan said:
Without a doubt.

Unfortunately, behind the Texans offensive line, he would look absolutely horrible. The same way he will look for the next 2 or 3 years in NO.

Thats the problem with being a terrific prospect, and being drafted number 1 or 2. You always end up playing with a supporting cast that sucks.
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Phillyfan,

There are a few things you are overlooking...

One, the fact that our OL has improved. Especially under Kubiac. And two, whether or not Reggie would do well in our Texans offense. It's important to know that this wouldn't be due to our OL (like N.O.), but rather because of Bush's style doesn't fit in what Kubiac would like to do with his RBs. I'm not saying that Kubiac wouldn't find a place for him. Of course he could. It's just that there was this amazing DE that he'd rather have to solidify our defense for the next ten years. Add that to his offensive knowledge in getting the best out of our RBs. It was the best of both worlds for Kubiac.
 
Smash_Mouth_Mario said:
Phillyfan,

There are a few things you are overlooking...

One, the fact that our OL has improved. Especially under Kubiac. And two, whether or not Reggie would do well in our Texans offense. It's important to know that this wouldn't be due to our OL (like N.O.), but rather because of Bush's style doesn't fit in what Kubiac would like to do with his RBs. I'm not saying that Kubiac wouldn't find a place for him. Of course he could. It's just that there was this amazing DE that he'd rather have to solidify our defense for the next ten years. Add that to his offensive knowledge in getting the best out of our RBs. It was the best of both worlds for Kubiac.
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Oh, there is no doubt that your offensive line has improved. Im not overlooking that at all. Just realizing that the coaching that was in place wasnt working is a step in the right direction.

To be honest, I dont think I could think of anyone better than Kubiak to bring in. When you look at Denvers run history, there is no questioning the system. It works. It can produce a 1000 yard rusher every year, just like clockwork. And when you look at what happened to those rushers when they left Denver, it really shows that they were a product of the system, and not particularly spectacular athletes.

However, it does take some time for everything to gel. I watched your first and second preseaon games, and there appear to be a few kinks that need to be worked out. Philly's defensive line is going to give them a true test, I promise you that. If the Texans can hold the Eagles to under 6 sacks on Carr, I would probably consider that good. When you see the Eagles blitz from their nickle package, you will understand why. Its nasty...

Back to the subject at hand though, Davis is definitely a talented back. He should have a good year, and by week 8, I think you guys might be on a roll once everything is working.

You guys are a year or two away from making the playoffs. I think you should see 8-8 this year, and a mid first round pick should help you see 9 or 10 wins next year.
 
PhillyFan said:
When you look at Denvers run history, there is no questioning the system. It works. It can produce a 1000 yard rusher every year, just like clockwork. And when you look at what happened to those rushers when they left Denver, it really shows that they were a product of the system, and not particularly spectacular athletes.
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Except for one back: Terrell Davis. He was freak of nature (although shorten career).


PhillyFan said:
When you look at Denvers run history, there is no questioning the system. It works. It can produce a 1000 yard rusher every year, just like clockwork. And when you look at what happened to those rushers when they left Denver, it really shows that they were a product of the system, and not particularly spectacular athletes.

Back to the subject at hand though, Davis is definitely a talented back. He should have a good year, and by week 8, I think you guys might be on a
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We'll be using a multi-back core. It's the Kubiac way. Sure, I'd love to have a Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, or Larry Johnson. But we can't.

http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/08/which_texans_running_back_will.html
 
infantrycak said:
Reggie only had 6 carries. That said, he averaged 3 ypc on his non-big play. Take out Lundy's big play and he averaged 4.25. Lundy will never be Bush, and Bush will never be a grinder.
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...and I'm glad we've got Lundi.....and not Bush.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
We'll see who the real deal is here next fall when the Saints come marching into Reliant and go whimpering out with their tails firmly tucked.
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we don't have to wait that long.....I watched them last week.....theyyyy.....don't play the game very well
 
Oh wow....I just noticed I've been responding to week old posts. Ooops.....sorry...I've been busy this week and haven't been in here much.
 
Forget Bush.....DeAngelo Williams. Saw some good things from him.
 
Smash_Mouth_Mario said:
Except for one back: Terrell Davis. He was freak of nature (although shorten career).
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Davis was 5'11" and 215 w/"normal speed" and hardly a freak of nature.
 
Vinny said:
Davis was 5'11" and 215 w/"normal speed" and hardly a freak of nature.
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He had great vision...... enough speed....... enough power....... and all the other intangibles you like to see in a blue collar 'back....... kinda like DD.

I know DD won't ever be Terrell Davis..... but I think he can be just as special.
 
Kubiac
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Folks--let's try to get our own coach's name correct. It is Kubiak. The only reason I mention this is I have seen it too much lately to be a typo. It looks bad if we don't get his name right, just like:

It is Y'ALL not YA'LL
 
For those of us who didn't see the game - how did these guys look? I can look at the numbers and they don't tell me much. How did the offense work with one vs. the other? Did either one stake a claim to the (interim) number 1 job? I'm kind of expecting to hear that they ran similarly but Morency looked better blocking. Am I right?
 
AFD1717 said:
For those of us who didn't see the game - how did these guys look? I can look at the numbers and they don't tell me much. How did the offense work with one vs. the other? Did either one stake a claim to the (interim) number 1 job? I'm kind of expecting to hear that they ran similarly but Morency looked better blocking. Am I right?
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Having not yet rewatched the game, I will tell you that my impression was that Lundy blocked better. Based on how much longer Lundy was on the field than Morency, and, in my opinion, he played quite well and showed improvement, it looks to me like Kubiak is giving Lundy every opportunity to be the clear #1.
 
Vinny said:
Davis was 5'11" and 215 w/"normal speed" and hardly a freak of nature.
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I think you are overlooking a few things. Earl Campbell was 5'10" and 225. He had very good speed. But was know for his BULL POWER.

Terrell Davis's legs where extremely powerful, like Earl. And he could carry 2-3 defenders like few other backs. He also had the ability to change direction and excellent vision. But it was his power that was the freaky part. The guy was built to be a running back.

And just in case you don't remember here are TD's rushing stats before he got injured.

Year, team, games, att, yards, y/a, TDs

| 1995 den | 14 | 237 | 1117 | 4.7 | 7
| 1996 den | 16 | 345 | 1538 | 4.5 | 13
| 1997 den | 15 | 369 | 1750 | 4.7 | 15
| 1998 den | 16 | 392 | 2008 | 5.1 | 21

He's a Super Bowl MVP, League MVP, Offensive player of the Year winner...see TD, using his "normal speed" --->PROOF
 
True, the Texans have good running backs, but they also have a great running back, Chris Taylor. If the Texans would let Chris get the chance everyone else is getting, he will make people stop talking about Lundy, Bush, Morency, Smith, DD and Rhodes. Come on guys rally behind me on this one, and the Texans won't be looking down the road for a running back. Chris can get the job done every time.
He just needs enough reps and the time to prove himself in the game at running back. He's doing great on special teams. Let's give the man a fair chance and start him next game.
 
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