Bush vs. Lundy

[michaelm]

God I can see what this season is going to be like with the west and east coast sports press all but married to Reggie and the Houston press with a boner in Vince Young. Gonna be a long season for the Texans in the press.

I agree with what you're saying, but we will have the satisfaction of having a better record than either the Aints or the Tacks...

 

[ESAD2-14]

Wow, have been listening to 610 am for about 3 hrs now. I think they just declared R. Bush the savior for all mankind. Some guy, Patrick Cortez I think, from the Sporting News needs to purchase a honeymoon suite and go make sweet manlove with Reggie and just get it over with. Yeesh, makes me sick all the pole-smoking going on about this guy.

Lundy had a great game can not wait to see more of him in the future. Hopefuly DD gets back to 100%.

 

[exclude]

Bush: 8 touches for 69 yards, 8.625 yards per touch, 0 TDs
Lundy: 12 touches for 110 yards 9.167 yards per touch, 1 TD

This comparison is ridiculous.

Bush played about a quarter of a quarter.

Lundi played all 4 quarters.

 

[amazingandre]

I watchd the game for the 1st time this morning......in wisconsin couldnt get it.....and was very impressed with wali lundy.....I got to thinking lundy and morency are good enough to share the staring job and keeping taylor and smith as backups......do u think we could get a good saftey for davis just a thought??

 

[powerfuldragon]

i kept my eye on wali and i wasn't disappointed...

 

[infantrycak]

This comparison is ridiculous.

Bush played about a quarter of a quarter.

Lundi played all 4 quarters.

And that makes a difference how? The question is what a player does with his opportunities not when the opportunities come.

 

[edo783]

And that makes a difference how? The question is what a player does with his opportunities not when the opportunities come.

BINGO! Looks like Lundy made better use of the ones he had. Not to say Bush is bad, but Lundy did better on this day. Who knows what it will look like at the end of the season?

 

[Mr. B]

Why is everyone hating on DD all the time. Sure the guy is hurt and has gotten hurt in the past but dang give him a break. This guy busted his ass and was pretty much the only saving grace aside from a few others on this texans team over the past few years.

He was drafted in like what the 3rd round and wasn't even expected to make the team his first year by some peoples talk. He was supposed to be a 3rd down back and ended up being the workhorse when all the other backs like Hollings, Mack, etc were bust.

The new backs look really good and should be great additions to this new Scheme we are running but don't you all think DD at least deserves a chance to run behind a good line and see what he can do if his knee gets better.

 

[phan1]

Reggie: 10 carries, 59 yards

I didn't see that game, but he should have gotten stuffed a few times didn't he? Cause he had 1 play for about 45 yards. The rest would be 9 carries for 19 yards right? I think it's obvious Bush is going to be awsome, but I wonder how much he can do while being in a Saints uniform..

 

[Carr Bombed]

Bush had 6 carries for 59 yards to be fair.

All of his other runs were at a 3 ypc avg.

Lundy had 9 carries for 59 yards and a tD

You take away his longest runs and all of his other runs were at a 4.24 ypc avg. Why because he's a better inside rusher. Bush losses ypc avg. on inside runs.

 

[Smash_Mouth_Mario]

Reggie: 10 carries, 59 yards

I didn't see that game, but he should have gotten stuffed a few times didn't he? Cause he had 1 play for about 45 yards. The rest would be 9 carries for 19 yards right? I think it's obvious Bush is going to be awesome, but I wonder how much he can do while being in a Saints uniform..

That's the thing. When he's used like a conventional RB. He gets stopped. He' s not a power back. He doesn't wait for the gaps. He rather juke. So, when plays breakdown or he gets the ball with room to run (in the open field). He uses his speed to get away from others. But once it gets crowded. He's taken down or tripped. That's why he's not great at inside runs.

I remember a few months ago. I was talking with a bunch of NFL friends about drafting Bush. And we looked at game tape from USC. And we dissected his games as much as we could. And that's what we figured out...the inside/scrimmage line was one of his weaknesses. How one uses him is most important. He loves the outside run most.

P.S. Sooner or later they will use him on special teams. They are being conservative now. But on special occasions they will use him for punt returns.

 

[mutapa]

Do you seriously have nothing better to do than attack our team? What is actually your real beef over here?

Like I said in another post, we are sorry if you are disturbed and jealous by what you see happening here, and are SO EXCITED that you have Bush then go play with your own people.

You are embarrasing yourself.

And he is a force to be reckoned with, just keep running your mouth.....

I know that as fans you guys have to put a brave face but I still haven't gotten over that pick. Mario will never be pick of the draft material. There have been many #1 picks who did not pan out, but this one , com'on guys. I still can't believe you passed on Bush and Young.

 

[mutapa]

That's the thing. When he's used like a conventional RB. He gets stopped. He' s not a power back. He doesn't wait for the gaps. He rather juke. So, when plays breakdown or he gets the ball with room to run (in the open field). He uses his speed to get away from others. But once it gets crowded. He's taken down or tripped. That's why he's not great at inside runs.

I remember a few months ago. I was talking with a bunch of NFL friends about drafting Bush. And we looked at game tape from USC. And we dissected his games as much as we could. And that's what we figured out...the inside/scrimmage line was one of his weaknesses. How one uses him is most important. He loves the outside run most.

P.S. Sooner or later they will use him on special teams. They are being conservative now. But on special occasions they will use him for punt returns.

Can you say 'Barry Sanders'.

 

[LBC_Justin]

All of that leads me to the question: If you can get good to great production from your RB position without having to spend a number one pick, then why don't you select a special player at a spot where you need help. The Seattle Seahawks were number one in QB pressures/sacks last year. The Pittsburgh Steelers were number three in the same category. This is not a coincidence. Indianapolis was one below Pittsburgh. In today's NFL, a great deal of your success is dictated by being able to get pressure on the QB. RB's are a dime a dozen. QB's and DE's are the really tough finds.

I totally agree with you.

Quarterback, Defensive End, Offensive Tackle and Cornerback....maybe WR. Elite players in those positions are the hardest to find and in my opinion are worth the high picks. In the NFL of today Running backs take way too much of a beating and have way too short of a career.

Now I personally sleep better having a solid crew of productive running backs. I like knowing my team is not one busted knee away from the season being over. Personally have never been big on spending high draft picks and big $$$ on running backs. I seems like every time a running back goes down some random guy off the street steps up. (Look at green bay last year.)

I hope Bush has a great career in New Orleans. I wish him the best but honestly I could careless about how well he does or how well the Saints do. They are in another conference and we meet them once every 4 years. Big deal. I feel no rivalry or and have no desire to rub their nose in the dirt like I do with the Cowboys. good luck saints fans (if you are trolling these fourms to rub it in, my only question is....why? if you feel like you got the better deal great, move on.) I am happy with our pick. If nothing else I am more happy with the spirit of our pick. Our team made a statement, to me that statement was...we understand what it takes to be a winning team and are willing to address our weaknesses.

 

[Hervoyel]

If Lundy is in same sentence as Bush we've won . Lets see ... greatest player ever never to have played a real game and Lundy a 6th round pick had good games . We just saved 50 million priceless .

It's entirely possible that by the end of the season Wali Lundy has more yards than Reggie Bush. Reggie would no doubt have many more "highlight" type plays but if Domanick Davis can't go and Lundy demonstrates a knack for this system he could make the Mario pick much more paletable to a lot of the critics. If Deuce comes back and Reggie ends up splitting carries with him then the "gross" numbers could favor the Texans decision at least superficially.

I'm wondering what Jevon Kearse and/or Julius Peppers looked like in their first preseason game. I'm wondering if their first preseason games happened to coincide with their teams first games playing an entirely new defense. Did the guy next to them on the line play that spot last year? Were they the sole new component on their respective lines?

I just think I'm not going to start getting upset about any rookie performance until they've played a few real games. It's not a race to me to demonstrate that this pick (Williams) was a better choice than that one (Bush). Sometime around weeks 8-10 I'll have an opinion on all of that junk.

 

[thunderkyss]

i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.

The point is that we are lucky, in that we have the luxury to pass on a guy like Reggie Bush...... and still have a formidable running game.

Reggie's game looks even worse, considering they didn't go back to him, after the 44 yard run...... & they didn't get into the endzone.... what was up with that?? another dumb coaching move, or is there more to this whole Reggie Bush thing??

Running all over the Titans mean very little to me, and getting stood up by PacMan Jones is kinda funny.

Now, just so you don't think I'm hating..... there was that one play where Reggie impressed me. The line moved left...... Reggie looked like he was going to hit the gap between the Right tackle, and gaurd. Reggie bounced it outside, and hit two defenders.... he then drug them for at least three yards.

 

[thunderkyss]

I know that as fans you guys have to put a brave face but I still haven't gotten over that pick. Mario will never be pick of the draft material. There have been many #1 picks who did not pan out, but this one , com'on guys. I still can't believe you passed on Bush and Young.

we ran for 170(&some odd) yards tonight, we've got three sharp mobile smart QBs....

what exactly are you not getting??

 

[TexansLucky13]

If you can get good to great production from your RB position without having to spend a number one pick, then why don't you select a special player at a spot where you need help. The Seattle Seahawks were number one in QB pressures/sacks last year. The Pittsburgh Steelers were number three in the same category. This is not a coincidence. Indianapolis was one below Pittsburgh. In today's NFL, a great deal of your success is dictated by being able to get pressure on the QB. RB's are a dime a dozen. QB's and DE's are the really tough finds.

Exactly. How many top notch DEs can you name? Richard Seymour, Dwight Freeney.... and maybe a small list of runner ups.

How many RBs can you name that receive a ton of attention? For this season, it has to be Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, LT, Clinton Portis, Tiki, Cadillac, etc. There is a list of 20 names of guys who are exceptional players.

This is my point. Why burn such a high draft pick, especially when you have Kubiaks system, on a hyped RB?

Lets think about this. Who was the 2nd RB taken? Wasn't it Laurence Mauroney to New England with the 22nd pick? (check me on that) So that means that the majority of the teams in the NFL chose other positions with their valuable top pick. This goes to prove two things....

1) Most teams consider their to pick too valuable to burn on a back.

2) Most teams were satisfied with their runningback situation (which goes hand in hand with the idea that "RBs are a dime a dozen".)

Who receives more attention? Reggie Bush. Who will be a lockdown at their position for the next 10 years? Mario Williams. No one can say that about Reggie.

I could care less about what ESPN thinks. I could care less about what other teams fans think. As Texans fans, we have to take higher ground in this conflict.

Wali Lundy made me smile deep down in my heart. You know why? Because his performance is the first real thing that has convinced me 100% that we didn't need Reggie.

 

[Smash_Mouth_Mario]

Can you say 'Barry Sanders'.

I think he's more versatile than Sanders in that he's better at the catch and run. True, he has Barry moves. But over-all Bush best in the open field like Marcus Allen (or Gale Sayers).

The Sanders comparison is one of the reason I did NOT like his game. I never liked Barry's game. I could appreciate his moves (oooh, ah...). But as a team concept, I would prefer a Terrell Davis or Emmitt Smith.

I remember watching Sanders games and it would drive me crazy. He'd get 1 yards, 3 yards, then get hit in the back field. They make a pass to the WR and get the 1st down. They try it again. Barry would go for 7 yards, then for 25 yards. Ooooo! Ahhh! Spectacular!

Then, they tried again. 3 yards, incomplete pass, 2, yards, 1 yard. Punt.

That would be the story if his life. It's great for ESPN. But it never work work consistently. I hated his game after watching him do this over and over...

I thought that if we did draft Bush we would have to deal with this and use him with a tandem RB. But trying to go for the homerun every play doesn't work in the play-offs.

 

[southtexan]

The Denver rushing attack with the zone blocking scheme is all about being patient as a back when you approach the point of attack and then making ONE cut and exploding back through the line. Once you make the cut, you go North and South period. They don't want hops, spins, jukes, etc. Make the cut and then haul ass until someone stops you.

When people see this, they say it is a slashing style of running. And while Reggie Bush has the speed to fit this style of rushing attack, he also is partial to bouncing the ball outside, re-direction, and jukes behind the line. All of those are no-nos in this scheme.

On Sirius NFL Radio, they miked Shanahan as he watched a running play during camp. His words were: "Patience, cut, explosion through!"

That's how they can turn a fairly pedestrian back into a massive producer.

All of that leads me to the question: If you can get good to great production from your RB position without having to spend a number one pick, then why don't you select a special player at a spot where you need help. The Seattle Seahawks were number one in QB pressures/sacks last year. The Pittsburgh Steelers were number three in the same category. This is not a coincidence. Indianapolis was one below Pittsburgh. In today's NFL, a great deal of your success is dictated by being able to get pressure on the QB. RB's are a dime a dozen. QB's and DE's are the really tough finds.

I have no qualms or second thoughts about what we did with the first pick. The Texans made a pick based upon who would be the best piece toward building long term success for the system we'll run.

Reggie Bush may be a super back, but I'll bet we have good to great production from our RB position under Kubiak for the forseeable future. If our D turns into a monster that eats QB's for breakfast, then I'll bet we are contending for championships. Williams was simply a piece towards completing a puzzle that ends in year in and year out success for the Texans. Reggie would have been a good piece, but maybe not the right one to fit the vision.

Go Texans

Excellent post

 

[thunderkyss]

Exactly. How many top notch DEs can you name? Richard Seymour, Dwight Freeney.... and maybe a small list of runner ups.

Strahan.... Umenyoura...... Darren Howard...... Will Smith... Gabaja-Malahaja(sp)..... Jason Taylor.... John Abraham...... Reggie Hayward....... Julius Peppers..... Simeon Rice.........

Just to name a few.

 

[southtexan]

Can you say 'Barry Sanders'.

I would like to remind you that Barry Sanders won ONLY ONE playoff game.

 

[AFD1717]

This is really strange. It feels like I've seen this whole Mario vs. Reggie debate before. What's even stranger is that we don't have any more facts now than we did on draft day, yet we still feel the need to keep repeating the same old arguements for and against. Can we please just let this play out? Only time wil tell and it will take years.

 

[cbnjwill]

if u read my message i said im at texans fans not the aints. and when u talk about bush being an overpriced draft pick remember that williams signed a bigger contract then bush.i will back the texans 100% i just dont agree with selecting williams over bush and by the way most of america agrees with me. williams was a guy who took plays off in college hell he never even won a major defensive player award whatsoever in college. bush was a heisman winner who dominated on a back to back championship team, by the way im a longhorn fan as well, but can still admit bush was great a usc.we used our first pick last yr. on a defensive lineman and the yr before we trade 3picks to take babin who is a back up defensive end. then our major free agent pick up this yr was a defensive lineman. with domanick being injury prone we needed an upgrade at rb and he would also help in the passing game and in the return game. i know after one preseason game u think wally lundy is the next coming of terrell davis but its only 60 yrds in a preseason game. if dd is healthy lundy will hardly see the field this yr, but chances are dd wont be. theres along season to go but by the halfway point of the season i think everyone will see that bush should have been the pick. the things this guy can do are amazing it sucks he wont be doing them in houston

 

[KKHouston]

Well I'm new to this board, I don't know why it took me so long to get in on it. Maybe if I'd acted sooner I could have shared my suffering for the past few years with the rest of you. Anyway, happy to be here.


All in all, I am one very excited Texans Fan. A great start to what will hopefully be a great 2006 year.

Welcome to the message boards! :bananasplit:

 

[O.G.]

Exactly. How many top notch DEs can you name? Richard Seymour, Dwight Freeney.... and maybe a small list of runner ups.

How many RBs can you name that receive a ton of attention? For this season, it has to be Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, LT, Clinton Portis, Tiki, Cadillac, etc. There is a list of 20 names of guys who are exceptional players.

This is my point. Why burn such a high draft pick, especially when you have Kubiaks system, on a hyped RB?

Lets think about this. Who was the 2nd RB taken? Wasn't it Laurence Mauroney to New England with the 22nd pick? (check me on that) So that means that the majority of the teams in the NFL chose other positions with their valuable top pick. This goes to prove two things....

1) Most teams consider their to pick too valuable to burn on a back.

2) Most teams were satisfied with their runningback situation (which goes hand in hand with the idea that "RBs are a dime a dozen".)

Who receives more attention? Reggie Bush. Who will be a lockdown at their position for the next 10 years? Mario Williams. No one can say that about Reggie.

I could care less about what ESPN thinks. I could care less about what other teams fans think. As Texans fans, we have to take higher ground in this conflict.

Wali Lundy made me smile deep down in my heart. You know why? Because his performance is the first real thing that has convinced me 100% that we didn't need Reggie.

I totally agree. Wali had a great game and what I like about it, he picked up the block which got us a touchdown as well as a long passing gain. Regardless if he got blasted in the process. Is he as elusive as Bush, no. Is he as fast as Bush, no. But I think the main question everyone needs to ask themselves is does Wali Lundy have to be in the system we have here. The answer to that is also NO. You know who Bush reminds me of, V. Morrency. Why.....Because he dances in the whole. That's exactly what Kubiak doesn't want. Remember Lundy had an ex NFL coach as well when he was in College and he was in the same Zone Blocking Scheme as Denver.

 

[thunderkyss]

if u read my message i said im at texans fans not the aints. and when u talk about bush being an overpriced draft pick remember that williams signed a bigger contract then bush.i will back the texans 100% i just dont agree with selecting williams over bush and by the way most of america agrees with me.

First, it doesn't matter what most of America thinks...... I'm just saying this argument holds no water with me, or any fan on this board, who considers himself a football guy.

williams was a guy who took plays off in college hell he never even won a major defensive player award whatsoever in college. bush was a heisman winner who dominated on a back to back championship team,

I'll admit, I didn't watch all of his games, but from what I saw, he did not dominate...... Lendale was the dominant runningback, his QB was drafted in the top ten, and his offensive line was better than most. He's played on teams with dominant recievers, another dominant RB, and a dominant QB...... he caught the defense by surprise, because they never knew when he was going to get the ball, and they had a bunch of people to worry about.

by the way im a longhorn fan as well, but can still admit bush was great a usc.

I agree the highlights were exciting..... but I don't think REggie coming out of college is on the same level as Ricky Williams, LT, or REggie Brown, and none of those guys were picked first.

we used our first pick last yr. on a defensive lineman and the yr before we trade 3picks to take babin who is a back up defensive end. then our major free agent pick up this yr was a defensive lineman.

Very good and Valid points.

with domanick being injury prone we needed an upgrade at rb and he would also help in the passing game and in the return game.

I don't know about all that. #1, there has never ever been a #1 overall pick used on special teams, that wasn't considered a bust. There is a reason for that. Besides, our return game is fine, and definitely not in need of any extra help.

We got help for our passing game....... Moulds, Daniels, Putz....... Cook, Walther..... we're good, and DD is pretty strong in the passing game as well as our running game.

Fix the line, and DD will be fine. He ranks up their with the best in the league, on attempts per game, behind the worst line in the NFL.... whatever pass you give David Carr, please extend it to DD as well.

Please.

i know after one preseason game u think wally lundy is the next coming of terrell davis but its only 60 yrds in a preseason game. if dd is healthy lundy will hardly see the field this yr, but chances are dd wont be. theres along season to go but by the halfway point of the season i think everyone will see that bush should have been the pick. the things this guy can do are amazing it sucks he wont be doing them in houston

Even if Mario is a bust........ I'll never see Reggie Bush as being the right pick on a Kubiak(little Denver) coached team......... never.

 

[NATHANHALE]

OK, here's the deal--give me a dollar for every time Bush's name is mentioned on the board, take a dollar every time Young's name is mentioned---just this game alone I'd make several hundred bucks--don't you know how much our players love hearing all the Bush talk!!

 

[edo783]

Ask your self this:

Can/would Reggie EVER be a one cut and go back that works in this offense? If no, then we made the right choice. IMO, that would never happen as Reggie wants to feelance and make big plays. Not the type of back Kubiak likes or wants for his system. Remember what Kubiak told Morency, a guy who likes to freelance and make big plays, he said..."I DON'T LIKE HOW YOU RUN, you have to make one cut and go". The unstated part is "Or else". Reggie didn't fit and Mario does and that's why he is here.

 

[phantom17]

if u read my message i said im at texans fans not the aints. and when u talk about bush being an overpriced draft pick remember that williams signed a bigger contract then bush.i will back the texans 100% i just dont agree with selecting williams over bush and by the way most of america agrees with me. williams was a guy who took plays off in college hell he never even won a major defensive player award whatsoever in college. bush was a heisman winner who dominated on a back to back championship team, by the way im a longhorn fan as well, but can still admit bush was great a usc.we used our first pick last yr. on a defensive lineman and the yr before we trade 3picks to take babin who is a back up defensive end. then our major free agent pick up this yr was a defensive lineman. with domanick being injury prone we needed an upgrade at rb and he would also help in the passing game and in the return game. i know after one preseason game u think wally lundy is the next coming of terrell davis but its only 60 yrds in a preseason game. if dd is healthy lundy will hardly see the field this yr, but chances are dd wont be. theres along season to go but by the halfway point of the season i think everyone will see that bush should have been the pick. the things this guy can do are amazing it sucks he wont be doing them in houston

So why are you slammin' on our pick- Mario, who is a bigger need than Bush! Let's face D wins playoffs & superbowls- it's been proven time & time again! Sure, I think Bush will be a great all-purpose back for yrs to come, but this team needs a grind it out style whick Kubiaks prefers- remember our coach has one superbowl rings as a coach & player, & he knows what players fits his system, plus as a RB your always a hit away from an injury. Remember Denvers' philosophy on RBs works well with them & I think will work here! I'm sorry that I called an AINTS troll, but we have to move on-the future hasn't been written yet on these two players!

 

[HJam72]

We need to simplify this situation and just make Mario our tailback.

 

[Vambo, the Marble Eye]

The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.

Let me speed this up for you so there will be no reason for you to post anything in the next couple of months;

a) no, b) not going to happen c) worst ever d) everyone is stupid but I know football better than people that get paid to make decisions, e) I am always right f) never g)

Done now?

 

[HJam72]

Let me speed this up for you so there will be no reason for you to post anything in the next couple of months;

a) no, b) not going to happen c) worst ever d) everyone is stupid but I know football better than people that get paid to make decisions, e) I am always right f) never g)

Done now?

And he's humble too.

 

[phantom17]

We need to simplify this situation and just make Mario our tailback.

Yeah, and by the way the AINTS need to make Reggie their DE!

 

[thunderkyss]

So why are you slammin' on our pick- Mario, who is a bigger need than Bush! Let's face D wins playoffs & superbowls- it's been proven time & time again! Sure, I think Bush will be a great all-purpose back for yrs to come, but this team needs a grind it out style whick Kubiaks prefers- remember our coach has one superbowl rings as a coach & player, & he knows what players fits his system, plus as a RB your always a hit away from an injury. Remember Denvers' philosophy on RBs works well with them & I think will work here! I'm sorry that I called an AINTS troll, but we have to move on-the future hasn't been written yet on these two players!

to be fair, he mentioned we picked a defensive lineman last year, we traded two picks to move up and get a DE in the draft before that, & we gave a big contract to a FA DE........... so in his mind, DE was not a bigger need. & the way we signed Smith, showed interest in Bennette, and DDs participation in practice, and absence from Saturday's game, it would appear to him that Running Back is a bigger need.

heck, the fact that our best pass rushing formation moves Mario inside, and puts last years DEs on the outside helps make his point.

Reggie not fitting in the one cut & go argument is a good one...... his performance Saturday would prove otherwise, as that's all he did.

IMHO, the sit down interviews with our people is a bigger piece of the puzzle than a lot of people want to recognize. Our people sat with his people, and we didn't like what we saw........... Otherwise, Reggie would've been a Texan. & believe me, it hurts for me to say that.


so.. for this argument.... cbnjwill............ let's assume Reggie Talked himself out of being the first pick..... who would you have picked?? Trade down is not an option, unless you trade out of the top 10.

 

[NATHANHALE]

"•RB Reggie Bush drew more than just rave reviews for his fancy footwork Saturday against Tennessee. He also drew a fine for wearing Adidas; the league has deals with Reebok and Nike. Bush said he didn't know what the fine was; he said Adidas paid it."

..just like mom and pop--'chip off the old block'--is he related to Mau......?

 

[jdog]

The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.

Name your team. I want to know who you back as opposed to who you attack.

 

[cbnjwill]

to answer your question who i would have taken if i go by the premise that bush talked himself out of the number pick . well i guess ill go with the fact that we already signed carr to his bonus because if not i would draft vince. so if i take vince and reggie out of the equation i would strongly consider williams but because we have already address the d line so much i would try to trade down, im sure i could have traded down and remained in the top ten but to continue with your senario i would have went with the best defensive player i feltwas in the draft and also at the time a huge need for the texans i would have taken ohio st. linebacker a.j. hawk who i thought was the best defensive player in the draft

 

[thunderkyss]

to answer your question who i would have taken if i go by the premise that bush talked himself out of the number pick . well i guess ill go with the fact that we already signed carr to his bonus because if not i would draft vince. so if i take vince and reggie out of the equation i would strongly consider williams but because we have already address the d line so much i would try to trade down, im sure i could have traded down and remained in the top ten but to continue with your senario i would have went with the best defensive player i feltwas in the draft and also at the time a huge need for the texans i would have taken ohio st. linebacker a.j. hawk who i thought was the best defensive player in the draft

I'm assuming... since there were no trades amoung the top ten teams, and no one trading into the top ten, that you'd have to accept a trade out of the top ten to keep it real.

Of course, there are no wrong answers....... your opinion is your opinion.... but I must say.......... strange...

Considering we gave up 208 sacks over the last 4 years, I would have thought you'd pick D'Brick..... I think picking D'Brick would have been an easier sell. Personally, I don't think that much of him..... I thought he was too big & too slow for what we wanted to do, then we turn around and pick Spencer...... who is bigger, and slower.......

Had we picked D'Brick, I wonder if we'd addressed DLine at all....... I doubt it.

While I have absolutely no problem coming to terms with the fact that we passed on ReggieBush, like you I do/did question the Mario pick, especially after seeing Babin and Peek play the other night. If Weaver works out at DE.... more questions.

But I see Mario....... like Vince. He's definitely Talented enough to play in this league.... At defensive end......... .it's possible for him to start. But he's going to get better..... along the lines of BruceSmith or Reggie White... if you believe the hype.

Even if AJHawk can be the next lawrenceTaylor... I don't know if I'd trade Reggie White for LT.

But hey, if Hawk was the pick, I'd be behind him too..... so oh well.

 

[The Duke]

Bush is faster, and can change direction better, but I like the way Lundi hits the hole in the middle.

 

[Jerry Jones]

texan fans you ve probably heard it a thousand times but all in all you made the worst decision in draft history.... you will come up with excuse after excuse to defend your shame but deep down inside you know that the texans messed up big time by taking mario over bush...i like the texans, i wish them well this season but i have never met a fan in person that said they were happy with the pick....unless mario turns into reggie white soon this will haunt you for a long time... mario has so much pressure now....he has to at least get 12 sacks a year for all that money....i hope im proven wrong because when im not cheering for my cowboys im cheering for the texans!

 

[BattleRedRaider]

texan fans you ve probably heard it a thousand times but all in all you made the worst decision in draft history.... you will come up with excuse after excuse to defend your shame but deep down inside you know that the texans messed up big time by taking mario over bush...i like the texans, i wish them well this season but i have never met a fan in person that said they were happy with the pick....unless mario turns into reggie white soon this will haunt you for a long time... mario has so much pressure now....he has to at least get 12 sacks a year for all that money....i hope im proven wrong because when im not cheering for my cowboys im cheering for the texans!

Hey, how's Drew Henson doing?

 

[phantom17]

texan fans you ve probably heard it a thousand times but all in all you made the worst decision in draft history.... you will come up with excuse after excuse to defend your shame but deep down inside you know that the texans messed up big time by taking mario over bush...i like the texans, i wish them well this season but i have never met a fan in person that said they were happy with the pick....unless mario turns into reggie white soon this will haunt you for a long time... mario has so much pressure now....he has to at least get 12 sacks a year for all that money....i hope im proven wrong because when im not cheering for my cowboys im cheering for the texans!

Jerry can you give me some money!

 

[cuppacoffee]

texan fans you ve probably heard it a thousand times but all in all you made the worst decision in draft history.... you will come up with excuse after excuse to defend your shame but deep down inside you know that the texans messed up big time by taking mario over bush...i like the texans, i wish them well this season but i have never met a fan in person that said they were happy with the pick....unless mario turns into reggie white soon this will haunt you for a long time... mario has so much pressure now....he has to at least get 12 sacks a year for all that money....i hope im proven wrong because when im not cheering for my cowboys im cheering for the texans!

Then you obviously have no clue about the other ways Mario can have an effect on the d-line.

Worse decision in draft history? Hardly.

Sounds like a troll comment to me.

Do your homework jerry, and come back when you have something of substance to add...

Strange.....I couldn't care less about the boys draft choices (excepting Irish players) but here is a boys fan on the Texans MB slamming the Texans top draft pick...

 

[Jerry Jones]

Hey, how's Drew Henson doing?

he's about to get the axe!

 

[Jerry Jones]

Then you obviously have no clue about the other ways Mario can have an effect on the d-line.

Worse decision in draft history? Hardly.

Sounds like a troll comment to me.

Do your homework jerry, and come back when you have something of substance to add...

Strange.....I couldn't care less about the boys draft choices (excepting Irish players) but here is a boys fan on the Texans MB slamming the Texans top draft pick...

i would love to hear what other ways mario is worth over 50 mil!

 

[BattleRedRaider]

he's about to get the axe!

Then start Tony Romo, damnit!

 

[thunderkyss]

How do we know Mario won't get 12 sacks a year??

I still believe if we are in the top 10 of rushing offense...... we didn't make a bad choice.

If we average something over 21 points/game(I'm predicting more at least 24ppg) then we didn't do anything wrong.

If we have a winning season(I'm predicting more than 10 wins) we didn't make any mistakes on draft day.

 

[cbnjwill]

thunderkyss ur predicting more than 10 wins this season for the texans? bold prediction if u feel strongly about that u should go to vegas and bet some cash because u could get great odds on that prediction. if nothing else i would take some of the action even though im a texans fan no way can isee them winning 11 games this yr. they actuallly have a tough schedule considering they were the worst team in the league last yr. i think they will be around the 6-8 win mark this yr.

 

[cuppacoffee]

i would love to hear what other ways mario is worth over 50 mil!

Thus proving my point for me.

"Then you obviously have no clue about the other ways Mario can have an effect on the d-line."


This may give you an idea of what Texan fans think about our choice of MW.

Who cares what boys fans think?

Personally, if I wanted your opinion on our draft choices I would go to the boys MB (you do have one, don't you?) and give you one...

Have a nice day.