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Bush to Texans... Young to Titans

Hookem Horns

Hookem Horns

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According to this ESPN report out today...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797

If this scenario plays out Bob and Casserly better pray that VY doesn't turn into a superstar and start kicking our *** every time especially in Bud duds. That would be the ultimate kick in the groin. Of course this scenario will mean MORE Titans fans in the Houston area and Texas in general. Real nice. Thanks Bob and Charlie.
 
I'll have a hard time forgiving this franchise if Young becomes the pro bowler I think he will become and Carr gives us more average play for Franchise money. This franchise doesn't seem to football savvy to me sometimes.
 
Vinny said:
I'll have a hard time forgiving this franchise if Young becomes the pro bowler I think he will become and Carr gives us more average play for Franchise money. This franchise doesn't seem to football savvy to me.
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Ditto...

VY becoming a Titan would make life unbearable...i'm picturing him in a Titans jersey :crying:
 
My prediction...

Bush taken #1...Young goes back to school.

Texans go 3-13 in 2006.

Young goes #1 to Texans in 2007.

Ok, my dream is over. :)
 
And THAT is my absolute worst-case scenario.

Which is probably going to happen.

I won't mind getting Reggie Bush, but the thought of my VY playing for the Titans is just awful. Good for Vince. Bad for me. It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

:crying:
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but doesn't VY have some connection to Steve McNair?...I think McNair was a mentor of sorts...
 
This is a nightmare scenario and could be the biggest sports blunder in history in this city from the perspective of losing a great player to a division rival - arguably the best football player ever to come out of Houston - and turning fans against the team by letting Bud get his hands on him. I would be beyond pissed if this happened. Yes Steve and Vince are good buds.

If Vince ends up in TN and does well, which there's no reason to believe he won't, there will be more TN fans in Houston than Houston fans in Houston. Why don't you just give the city up to Cowboys and Titans fans while you're at it Mr. McNair?

What's funny is I was about halfway through an article on this when it appeared ...
 
UberDork said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but doesn't VY have some connection to Steve McNair?...I think McNair was a mentor of sorts...
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Yeah, McNair is VY's mentor...

I hold hope that Chow talks Fisher into taking Lineart...
 
UberDork said:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but doesn't VY have some connection to Steve McNair?...I think McNair was a mentor of sorts...
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Young goes to McNairs off-season QB camps .
 
Fiddy said:
Yeah, McNair is VY's mentor...

I hold hope that Chow talks Fisher into taking Lineart...
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According to that article Leinart will be gone to the Saints at #2. The only way VY doesn't go to Bud is if the Saints take him instead of Leinart.
 
Everyone is talking about how much this is a simple decision. This is based on one football game folks. One football game. It's a football game where Bush had more than 250 all-purpose yards I'll add. If you can sit there and honestly tell me you would have favored Young over Bush BEFORE the game then I'll respect that opinion, but people were torching that USC defense all year. Heck, let's draft Brady Quinn since he torched USC. Come on folks, as amazing as Young's performance was we need some perspective here. If Young weren't from Houston some of you would be still thinking Bush. Geography shouldn't have anything to do with it. Let's go out and get the best football player.
 
Hookem Horns said:
According to that article Leinart will be gone to the Saints at #2. The only way VY doesn't go to Bud is if the Saints take him instead of Leinart.
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Exactly. He will be taken at #3 unless he's already gone. :crying:
 
barzilla said:
This is based on one football game folks. One football game. .
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No it isn't. It's based on two years of VY dominating at the NCAA Div-I level, including two Rose Bowl victories where he carried his team. He's a great talent and even greater leader. I hardly ever jock college players, much less juniors, but to pass on him would be a huge mistake and one that could set this franchise back another lifecycle.
 
barzilla said:
Everyone is talking about how much this is a simple decision. This is based on one football game folks. One football game. It's a football game where Bush had more than 250 all-purpose yards I'll add. If you can sit there and honestly tell me you would have favored Young over Bush BEFORE the game then I'll respect that opinion, but people were torching that USC defense all year. Heck, let's draft Brady Quinn since he torched USC. Come on folks, as amazing as Young's performance was we need some perspective here. If Young weren't from Houston some of you would be still thinking Bush. Geography shouldn't have anything to do with it. Let's go out and get the best football player.
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I ain't from Houston, but if I was I would rather die with a local behind center than with Carr and then the local guy kicking our **** for a decade. It's junior highish from a distance, but I would be with them.
 
barzilla said:
Everyone is talking about how much this is a simple decision. This is based on one football game folks. One football game.
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I think you forget that Young started in all the Texas wins...not just the Rose Bowl. he was the first EVER QB to throw for 2500 yards and run for 1000 in NCAA HISTORY. EVERY single QB to EVER play has never done this in the long long history of College football.
 
barzilla said:
Everyone is talking about how much this is a simple decision. This is based on one football game folks. One football game. It's a football game where Bush had more than 250 all-purpose yards I'll add. If you can sit there and honestly tell me you would have favored Young over Bush BEFORE the game then I'll respect that opinion, but people were torching that USC defense all year. Heck, let's draft Brady Quinn since he torched USC. Come on folks, as amazing as Young's performance was we need some perspective here. If Young weren't from Houston some of you would be still thinking Bush. Geography shouldn't have anything to do with it. Let's go out and get the best football player.
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I <3 you and your unbiased opinion. Really
 
Hookem Horns said:
According to that article Leinart will be gone to the Saints at #2. The only way VY doesn't go to Bud is if the Saints take him instead of Leinart.
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that would be like lighting the fuse to total implosion :bomb: of this young franchise. some of us are struggling with the fact that Casserly is still having input, if I said it once I said it twice he is a lame duck GM now it seems he is a cancer that just continues spreading bad ideas and refuses to awknowedge mistakes.
 
Fiddy said:
Ditto...

VY becoming a Titan would make life unbearable...i'm picturing him in a Titans jersey :crying:
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I was a Titans fan once before, I can be one again if needed.

If we have a chance at him and pass, it would make me sick to my stomach.
 
beerlover said:
that would be like lighting the fuse to total implosion :bomb: of this young franchise. some of us are struggling with the fact that Casserly is still having input, if I said it once I said it twice he is a lame duck GM now it seems he is a cancer that just continues spreading bad ideas and refuses to awknowedge mistakes.
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If anyone thinks we hate Casserly now...just wait till they pass on Young. McNair hasn't seen anything yet.
 
Vinny said:
If anyone thinks we hate Casserly now...just wait till they pass on Young. McNair hasn't seen anything yet.
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I totally agree, it will make passing on Derrick Johnson a mere blimp on the radar :rolleyes:
 
beerlover said:
that would be like lighting the fuse to total implosion :bomb: of this young franchise. some of us are struggling with the fact that Casserly is still having input, if I said it once I said it twice he is a lame duck GM now it seems he is a cancer that just continues spreading bad ideas and refuses to awknowedge mistakes.
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With ya on this.
His input shouldn't even be used on the #1 pick. That seems like an Owner decision, and now the Owner has a consultant (without biases) that will help him make "The Right Decision".
 
Vinny said:
If anyone thinks we hate Casserly now...just wait till they pass on Young. McNair hasn't seen anything yet.
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Maybe that's why McNair kept Casserly? To take the heat in case Bush is a bust and Young is the superstar playing in the same division. I wonder who really is making the decisions at Reliant, Casserly or Reeves?
 
VY had one of the greatest game's in college football history and it does play a part when Houstonians are clamoring for Young to be a Houston Texan. But VY has been outstanding this ENTIRE year not just the Rose Bowl. Time after time he has shown and proven that he is a winner and I personally think that is the most important quality to have as an athlete. If VY goes to the Titans I will be dissapointed not only because of his potential but he will go to our division rival. Both Bush and Young have unbelievable potential but both of them could be duds (although I doubt it very much) so we won't know if passing by Young is a stupid decision or not until a few years from now. But I do think that if you're going to miss you miss big. By that I mean draft VY if he's available and let's hope things work out for the best.
 
Vinny said:
I'll have a hard time forgiving this franchise if Young becomes the pro bowler I think he will become and Carr gives us more average play for Franchise money. This franchise doesn't seem to football savvy to me sometimes.
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You forgot to mention, "....and the Texas/USC game proved to be a precursor of what Bush wouldn't be able to do in the NFL. He still can't get around the corner against the faster players of the NFL."
 
Lucky said:
I wonder who really is making the decisions at Reliant, Casserly or Reeves?
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According to Casserly yesterday, the "technical" questions during the interviews, i.e., x's and o's gameplanning etc., are Reeves' baby.
 
aj. said:
No it isn't. It's based on two years of VY dominating at the NCAA Div-I level, including two Rose Bowl victories where he carried his team. He's a great talent and even greater leader. I hardly ever jock college players, much less juniors, but to pass on him would be a huge mistake and one that could set this franchise back another lifecycle.
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aj, you are always the voice of reason and typically have the most thought out opinions. I was wondering when you would chime in on this issue. I tend to get a little emotional about these things (this is from being abused by Houston football my whole life..lol). Despite my board name, I like to think I don't see things through burnt orange colored glasses when it comes to the NFL. I am a bigger NFL fan that NCAA fan, always have been. If A&M had just won the National Title with VY and dominated Division I football like he did here, I don't think I would think any different about VY. I would want the best for my NFL team regardless. Your opinion only solidifies my thoughts because I know you are not a UT fan.
 
barzilla said:
If you can sit there and honestly tell me you would have favored Young over Bush BEFORE the game then I'll respect that opinion....
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I'm one of those people.

There's a reason we're hearing much more VY love regarding the draft:

1. The media. Geez, they did the same thing with Reggie Bush. He got all of his "one of the greatest ever" hype from the media after one game too. Now VY is a national, not just a state, hero.

2. Most of the local fans never dreamed until this week that VY would even BE in this draft. Now that it looks very likely, a reevaluation of the draft situation is in order.

Vince Young has a high school and college career to back up every ounce of positive attention that he's getting right now. He's no one-game wonder.
 
Tulip said:
I'm one of those people.

There's a reason we're hearing much more VY love regarding the draft:

1. The media. Geez, they did the same thing with Reggie Bush. He got all of his "one of the greatest ever" hype from the media after one game too. Now VY is a national, not just a state, hero.

2. Most of the local fans never dreamed until this week that VY would even BE in this draft. Now that it looks very likely, a reevaluation of the draft situation is in order.

Vince Young has a high school and college career to back up every ounce of positive attention that he's getting right now. He's no one-game wonder.
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Yep, I was convinced VY was staying in school so never even gave it a thought. The sick thing about Vince is that he keeps getting better and better. Anyone that watches UT every week like myself can easily tell you that. Last year I thought that there would be no way the guy could be an NFL QB. His improvement has been amazing, now I don't think there is anything he can't do.
 
I like a few other posters have been watching Vince do this since Madison vs. North Shore at the dome.......and the reason I want him here is because I believe he IS the best player in this year's draft, not because he was a longhorn (I'm a FSU fan, when it comes to college football) and not because he's a local guy, I want him because I think he's that damn good.
 
Hookem Horns said:
... Despite my board name, I like to think I don't see things through burnt orange colored glasses when it comes to the NFL....Your opinion only solidifies my thoughts because I know you are not a UT fan.
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No I'm not a 'horn and I don't own anything orange, but I was rooting like hell for the 'horns Wednesday night because it was Texas HS kids vs. California HS kids for the most part, fighting for a title on the biggest stage of them all.

I was aware of Vince as a Marlin (who wasn't) but I've really only become a 'big' fan over the last two years because of who he is as a player and a person. The more I saw him play, and improve his game, plus read about who he was - the more I liked. I follow Houston 5A football closely and to let one of our own escape - to a hated rival no less - would disgust me beyond description. I'm getting sick thinking about it.

To clarify, I have horns and ags in the family and I graduated from U of H so I've got most of the state school bases covered.
 
beerlover said:
I totally agree, it will make passing on Derrick Johnson a mere blimp on the radar :rolleyes:
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You bet. There's going to be a much bigger backlash on this one. And much, much, much bigger than Ragone over Simms.
 
Sometimes just enough happens to really muddy the water...

..the Vince Young performance is one of those.

The guy was all set to stay in college before USC. But he pulls off a very good game (albeit against a verrrrry weak defense, nobody can say otherwise--ranked 39th, I think) and now the entire galaxy has been re-organized around Vince Young and how phenomenal he will be in the NFL.

Does anybdy else here see what I see?

I see a great performance against a weak USC defense, the same USC defense that allowed Fresno State to put 40-something points on the board late in the season.

I also saw a very sub-par performance by Bush who was supposed to be unstoppable. Was that LenDale White carrying the USC team on his back?

And now the most recent argument for the Pro-Vince camp is the idea of the Titans getting him and us paying for it forever.

Emotions are running high right now. People are stating their case for both Bush and for Young based upon emotional factors. Other than Vinny's stat about how VY is the only NCAA QB to pass for x-number of yards AND rush for over 1,000 yards, I have yet to see sound evidence that VY is a great pick at the top of the draft--Scouts say he has a bad delivery motion, release point, etc.

Carr capitalized on his opportunity when he got to call the shots on his own this season. How soon we seem to forget that this coaching staff squandered all the talent on this team in exchange for their own ideals and their own pride and ego.

Beg for VY or Bush all you want, I have a gut feeling we'll be seeing a monster o lineman with our first pick. Owner McNair isn't drinking the kool aid.
 
I don't think Mcnair realizes the gamble he is taking. If he lets Vince drop to the Titans and he becomes great. Then he will have more Titan fans in his backyard then Texan fans. This could end up being catastrophic for the franchise.
 
If I remember correctly, David Carr spent his first years of Texans' practice partnered with a ladder.

Some things can be coached, and some can't.
 
Did I miss something but why would we think that NO would take Leinart instead of Young anyway. Just heard on TV that Bush declared and Texans say taking him regardless of what Young does.
 
As far as cutting Carr, if I invested $22 million of real money in a player and got as little out of Carr as I have in four years then, I'd really have to ask myself whether throwing another $8+ million at that investment is smart or mad money. They could always t-tag him and try a trade I guess but I haven't looked at that option at all. If they were not able to trade him off the t-tag then I guess DC would have to suck it up and play one more year here with Vince breathing down his neck. To let him go with no compensation doesn't seem like a good business move but if we lose him as a UFA there could be a compensatory pick - maybe - haven't even looked to see if that's even an option with his contract structured the way it is (since the Texans would decline to execute the option would that void the compensatory pick?).
 
Tayton said:
Did I miss something but why would we think that NO would take Leinart instead of Young anyway. Just heard on TV that Bush declared and Texans say taking him regardless of what Young does.
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It will be worse for the locals if he goes to the Titans, but it may be even worse for McNair if VY went to NO.
 
barzilla said:
Everyone is talking about how much this is a simple decision. This is based on one football game folks. One football game. It's a football game where Bush had more than 250 all-purpose yards I'll add. If you can sit there and honestly tell me you would have favored Young over Bush BEFORE the game then I'll respect that opinion,
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First of all Bush didnt have 250 yards against Texas .... 13/80 rushing and 6/94 passing . (If you add in the LESS THAN STELLAR kick returns 5/101 then sure he had 250+ but a 20.2 avg is just that ... AVERAGE) .... Throw in a bone headed turn over for good measure and you have a great game by the best player in college football .

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/gamecenter/live/NCAAF_20060104_USC@TX

Second of all . Young has done this ALL YEAR . Did you watch Ohio St. vs UT earlier this year ? Oh by the way , Vince Young was the most efficient QB in college football THROWING the ball this season , not for just ONE game .
Young is 30-2 as a starter at UT playing in arguably the toughest conference in all of college football (Big 12 / SeC are a toss up) .... A National Champoinship , TWO Rose Bowl MVP's ....Yeah , thats ONE GAME .

Thirdly and probably most important .... Before the Rose Bowl Vince Young had stated MANY Times that he would return to UT for his senoir year .... There was NO DEBATING Bush / Young #1 prior to this date .

gpshafer_1976 said:
I also saw a very sub-par performance by Bush who was supposed to be unstoppable. Was that LenDale White carrying the USC team on his back?
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Thats exactly what we saw .... Bush wasnt even the best RB on his team much less the best in the nation ..... At least for that ONE GAME ....
 
Kaiser Toro said:
It will be worse for the locals if he goes to the Titans, but it may even worse for McNair if VY went to NO.
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Agreed. I'm more scared of Leinart goin to the Titans. He'll be with Chow and be light years ahead of most rookie QB's. He'll be playing the same system and have probably the best transistion. With Vince, they would have to change their offense quite a bit.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
If you are pro VY, then the Texans have got to release DC.
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Career suicide if Carr doesn't request a trade.
Scenarios:
1. We keep him and draft Young. Well the 1st int. in a home game the fans will boo the total crap out of him (worse than ever before) or cheer loudly because it's one step closer to Young on the field.

2. We keep him and do not draft Young. And we keep losing (let's say Bush gets hurt on his 1st carry and is out with a season ender). Then he'll be viewed as the one who kept the local kid out of his hometown team. Then imagine Young with the Titans and all the Young jerseys at Reliant when they come to town. Heck, he'll get a Standing O when the announcer announces the visitors.

His agent needs to start the ground work for a trade now if he knows what best for his client.

Of course this all pivots on whether Young declares by the 15th
 
Surely this is speculation. I can't even begin to see this franchise already voicing who they will take just a few days into their offseason. Please, football gods, say it ain't so--If this franchise is announcing this...we are fans of the dumbest-operated NFL team in the league.

link (full story is below) : http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797
 
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