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Bush to petition to wear #5 professionally

I never said we should never tweak the system (if you search my posts you will notice I was for Bush pushing for number 5).....but the basic framework of the numbers works...and works well.
 
It totally makes sense for Bush to keep his number:


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Dude is the personification of the Mach 5.


I am editing this post to comment that David Carr looks remarkably like Speed Racer.
 
Vinny said:
I never said we should never tweak the system (if you search my posts you will notice I was for Bush pushing for number 5).....but the basic framework of the numbers works...and works well.
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I havn't read that, so I apologize.

The system does indeed work, but the Giants might disagree with the "well" part.
 
Brian Bosworth tried to petition the NFL to wear his #44 when he came into the league. He was even going to classify himself as a DB, instead of a LB. The league simply said "NO", and Boz had to live with being #55 if I remember correctly.

It won't hurt for Reggie to try, but I'll bet the NFL tells him "NO".
 
Rules have been set in place for years with a numbering system that works and is necessary. And then we have a college football player who has not played in the NFL down wants to petition the NFL to change the rules and game for him.

Case in point of the Wonderlich not being the best determiner of how ones intellect or understanding of the rules, etiquette and protocol will transfer from an amateur to a professional role.

It will be denied and we can expect Bush's new veteran teammates will dig on him for it. I can see him being mandated to do everything in quantities of five.
 
Texans_Chick said:
It totally makes sense for Bush to keep his number:


speed_racer_poster.jpg



Dude is the personification of the Mach 5.
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... and it totally makes sense for Carr to keep his:

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:)
 
Vinny said:
Don't buy what? He was talking about anyone having any number....and I said that it would be chaos and you say you don't want to see it go away either. You do buy it my friend.
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I didn't say anything about every player having whatever number they want, I said the skill position players should be allowed to, and since they can go downfield all they want and no ref will mistake a left guard for a running back, ref confusion is a moot point...
 
Hookem Horns said:
... and it totally makes sense for Carr to keep his:

carr8.jpg


:)
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That was funny but man, what a butch Photoshop job. No perspective on the #8. Clearly a fraud, just like your idea of Carr :)
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Case in point of the Wonderlich not being the best determiner of how ones intellect or understanding of the rules, etiquette and protocol will transfer from an amateur to a professional role.
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WARNING::homer: making another reggie 'mountain out of a mole-hill'. is RB hell-bent on wearing the #5? No. but hes worn it since he started playing and is just trying to keep it in the pro's. What is wrong with you people that see that as a problem???

yet these same people that proclaim etiquette etc, turn a blind eye to VY not wearing a suit when meeting the president
 
I see no problem with him asking the league to allow him to use the number. Petition is simply the formal term that they have to use. The NFL is a business, and they can't simply change thigns on a whim. He probably won't get his request, so he hopefully will drop it and pick a normal number. Almost all athletes have some sort of superstition, and in his head he may thinkk #5 gives him a slight boost since that is what he has always worn. Besides, since when is it a bad thing to ask for something you want?
 
the wonger need food said:
And all numbers in the teens are outside of the 80's...
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If you really thought about it, his original post made sense. But if you thought too hard, smoke would come out your ears...

I think the Jets have 21 open...
 
Hookem Horns said:
I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
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:rolleyes:

is your comment affected in any way by your VY bias? just wondering....
 
Just saw that Subway commercial; pretty wack, but I think that's the first time I saw an undrafted incoming rookie in a commerical for anything other than Madden. I say give the man his number and let him pay for it. The league needs to stop trying to squeeze everyone in a box. Eventually the NFL will need to unretire numbers, or go to triple digits (god forbid), so I don't see the big deal. I can't blame a young man for wanting to capitilze on his market potential...
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Rules have been set in place for years with a numbering system that works and is necessary. And then we have a college football player who has not played in the NFL down wants to petition the NFL to change the rules and game for him.

Case in point of the Wonderlich not being the best determiner of how ones intellect or understanding of the rules, etiquette and protocol will transfer from an amateur to a professional role.
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I really don't understand this post. He isn't throwing a fit about this, it seems. He just seems to be politely asking the NFL about it. What's the harm in it? If they say no, I'm sure he'll take another number and be fine with it.
 
C Madd said:
I really don't understand this post. He isn't throwing a fit about this, it seems. He just seems to be politely asking the NFL about it. What's the harm in it? If they say no, I'm sure he'll take another number and be fine with it.
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Let me help you: Everybody here has a pet player they like to bash. For some it's Carr, others it's Bush, or Young, or Kris Brown, etc. Every player has a poster designated to get bashed by.

Am I mistaken when I say that there is a potential for in-game confusion amongst referees AND the opposing team's coaches and players if the jersey numbers didn't have position designations? There's a good reason why certain numbers are used for certain positions.

But the thing that irks me is the idea that teams who are retiring jersey numbers are creating a situation where the rules are being changed (wide receivers can now wear numbers that are in the teens) just for a stupid ceremony. I mean, honestly, can't we just put that former player's jersey up in the rafters of the stadium...but still allow a person to wear it today?

And so, in my opinion, I'm not angry at Bush's request because it's a pretty idiotic situation (the retiring of jerseys, and the subsequent rule change) that's FORCED the NFL to change the rule for WRs but no one else.

Therefore, Bush doesn't deserve the scrutiny. But that's my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions..........
 
Forgive me if this has already been posted in this thread, but does anyone recall how ridiculous Brian Bosworth looked when he made a big fuss over wanting to be #44 when drafted by Seattle? He ended up wearing #55 despite all his whining. He also wore Bo Jackson's footprints on his chest.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Let me help you: Everybody here has a pet player they like to bash. For some it's Carr, others it's Bush, or Young, or Kris Brown, etc. Every player has a poster designated to get bashed by.

Am I mistaken when I say that there is a potential for in-game confusion amongst referees AND the opposing team's coaches and players if the jersey numbers didn't have position designations? There's a good reason why certain numbers are used for certain positions.

But the thing that irks me is the idea that teams who are retiring jersey numbers are creating a situation where the rules are being changed (wide receivers can now wear numbers that are in the teens) just for a stupid ceremony. I mean, honestly, can't we just put that former player's jersey up in the rafters of the stadium...but still allow a person to wear it today?

And so, in my opinion, I'm not angry at Bush's request because it's a pretty idiotic situation (the retiring of jerseys, and the subsequent rule change) that's FORCED the NFL to change the rule for WRs but no one else.

Therefore, Bush doesn't deserve the scrutiny. But that's my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions..........
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I would really like to hear these "good reasons." Even if every player could wear whatever they wanted, you mean to tell me that two different refs, from two different angles, could not in an instant glance, tell the difference between a fullback or RT meandering downfield?

Even if they couldn't, and maybe refs are that bad considering past year's playoffs, no one is advocating allowing lineman to wear the #17. Only skill players should be allowed to wear all numbers, and interior players should be confined to #s 50-79 and 90-99 if spotting 'ineligible player downfield' is the true concern...
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
:rolleyes:

is your comment affected in any way by your VY bias? just wondering....
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Yes, it is because I think VY will be a great player in the NFL is why I think Reggie Bush shouldn't be wearing a QB's or kicker's number.

Actually, I base all of my opinions in life and decisions on what I think about VY. Let's see, my wife just asked what I want for dinner. Well, because I think VY will be an excellent player in the NFL that will probably make me choose Chinese. Why? Beats me but ties in about the same as what I think about Bush's number in the NFL.
 
Keyshawn pettioned to wear #19 after he was drafted and it was approved. Its not a big deal people. But here's a reason why RB and his #5 could get approved; NFL wants marketability in LA. What better way to gain that then to have a local legend wearing #5 in the NFL? After all, isnt that way Keyshawn's #19 was approved? All about selling jersey's and making money.
 
Vinny said:
The numbering system works. There are 22 men on the field at once and they have enough to think about without trying to figure out if #18 should be in the tackle box or ineligible down field in the split second they have to make a call during a play. If this was a sport with 8-10 players on the field I wouldn't really care about the numbers. I think the numbering system works just fine and I don't see how it is condescending in any way to any player or fan.
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NCAA and High School ref's seem to do just as well as NFL ref's and their numbering systems differ. No one confused Doug Flutie and his #22 in college for a RB/DB.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Yes, it is because I think VY will be a great player in the NFL is why I think Reggie Bush shouldn't be wearing a QB's or kicker's number.

Actually, I base all of my opinions in life and decisions on what I think about VY. Let's see, my wife just asked what I want for dinner. Well, because I think VY will be an excellent player in the NFL that will probably make me choose Chinese. Why? Beats me but ties in about the same as what I think about Bush's number in the NFL.
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:rolleyes: whatever any1 could see you were having a swipe at reggie for no real reason therefore an obvious relevant conclusion is maybe you like VY...

but keep posting irrelevant stuff that makes no sense to prove otherwise:brickwall
 
LCROD said:
NCAA and High School ref's seem to do just as well as NFL ref's and their numbering systems differ. No one confused Doug Flutie and his #22 in college for a RB/DB.
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HS and Colleges have massive rosters and really can't stay in the number limitation quotas without redundancies.
 
Maddict5 said:
WARNING::homer: making another reggie 'mountain out of a mole-hill'. is RB hell-bent on wearing the #5? No. but hes worn it since he started playing and is just trying to keep it in the pro's. What is wrong with you people that see that as a problem???

yet these same people that proclaim etiquette etc, turn a blind eye to VY not wearing a suit when meeting the president
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So you cut out the whole post which implies it is a correctable error and at the same time lump VY in there, when I have been out in front by saying that we should not draft VY since he declared.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
So you cut out the whole post which implies it is a correctable error and at the same time lump VY in there, when I have been out in front by saying that we should not draft VY since he declared.
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i only used that part of your post because it was the part i most felt aggrieved with...but il respond to the rest now

1st paragraph was how the number rules are a necessity- i disagree there is no real reason for skill positions to have these rules..o-line i understand though

last paragrah was speculation about how team-mates would tease him about it- how do you expect me to respond to that???

Now il admit i 'lumped'/assumed you were a VY fan, because it is the only reason i can see people wanting to have a go at reggie over such a trivial matter....because it makes no sense to me otherwise
 
Maddict5 said:
1st paragraph was how the number rules are a necessity- i disagree there is no real reason for skill positions to have these rules..o-line i understand though

last paragrah was speculation about how team-mates would tease him about it- how do you expect me to respond to that???
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Firstly I did not write the rules and have refereed high school football and the numbers matter for a defense on the opposing side of the ball as well as the referees.

Secondly, I am not sure you have played sports, but all rookies get hazed in some regard and I was commenting on how this situation is an easy target.

I hope for all of the Bush advocates out there that we draft him or there may be a mass suicide. Thankfully we will be better next year with him or without him.
 
I didn't read all the post in the thread so forgive me if this has been brought up. When was the present #ing system in place?

Wasn't Paul Horning a RB for the Packers and wore #5?
 
If the NFL wouldn't allow Peyton Manning to wear black hightop shoes in a game as a tribute to the recently departed Johnny Unitas, then Reggie has no chance of being number 5.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
 
Señor Stan said:
If the NFL wouldn't allow Peyton Manning to wear black hightop shoes in a game as a tribute to the recently departed Johnny Unitas, then Reggie has no chance of being number 5.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
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I thought Frankenstein wanted to wear those shoes permanently. There is no reason he should not have worn those. The NFL also fined Jake Plummer for honoring Pat Tillman on his helmet.
 
God of Wine said:
I didn't read all the post in the thread so forgive me if this has been brought up. When was the present #ing system in place?

Wasn't Paul Horning a RB for the Packers and wore #5?
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I think the league didn't start the numbering system until the 60's or 70's.
 
mexican_texan said:
I thought Frankenstein wanted to wear those shoes permanently. There is no reason he should not have worn those. The NFL also fined Jake Plummer for honoring Pat Tillman on his helmet.
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I remember after Walter Payton died Marshall Faulk wanted to change his number to 34 for a game in honor of Sweetness. The NFL denied his request, and only the Bears were allowed to wear commemorative armbands.

So much for the "But I've wearded it for my whole entire lifetime!" arguement.

Good luck with that one and welcome to the NFL.
 
If Reggie is as good as advertised, then I agree that #34 should be his number. But those are some huge shoes to fill, so I can only hope that he's that good (if we get him).
 
4Texans said:
Brian Bosworth tried to petition the NFL to wear his #44 when he came into the league. He was even going to classify himself as a DB, instead of a LB. The league simply said "NO", and Boz had to live with being #55 if I remember correctly.

It won't hurt for Reggie to try, but I'll bet the NFL tells him "NO".
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Sports 610 also mentioned this afternoon that Edge James tried to get the league to let him wear #5 coming out of Miami, and they said "NO".

It don't hurt to ask, but Reggie better be satisfied with another number.
 
Señor Stan said:
I remember after Walter Payton died Marshall Faulk wanted to change his number to 34 for a game in honor of Sweetness. The NFL denied his request, and only the Bears were allowed to wear commemorative armbands.

So much for the "But I've wearded it for my whole entire lifetime!" arguement.

Good luck with that one and welcome to the NFL.
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Speaking of which, anyone know what GSH stands for? The Bears wear it on their sleeves.
 
Double Barrel said:
If Reggie is as good as advertised, then I agree that #34 should be his number. But those are some huge shoes to fill, so I can only hope that he's that good (if we get him).
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Aw, C'mon! Morency hasn't done THAT much yet! :)
 
This may have been posted, if so, sorry!

How did Kenny Burrough get to wear 00 ? He must have received permission. If he can wear 00, why can't Reggie wear 5?

Edit: after reading some posts, it is probably because he started in the league before 1973. I guess they were allowed to grandfather their number.
 
When the NFL thinks of all the jersey sales and marketing $$$ they can make in LA by allowing Bush to keep his #5 and his California connection, they will change their tune. They aint in the business of marketing guys who look or talk like Edgerrin James, so it stands to reason they wouldn't make any exceptions for him.

The league is in good shape, it's not like they need Reggie Bush or any other 'once-in-a-generation player (like the NBA did), but they have an opportunity here to tap into a market they've wanted for awhile now, and this may be their best bet...
 
Revolution said:
I guess they were allowed to grandfather their number.
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Kind of like Mariano Rivera being the only player in MLB with #42 because of the league-wide retiring of Jackie Robinson's number
 
Yeah, it'll sell no matter what, but it just keeps that connection (if that means anything). Either way, I'm on record saying that restricting numbers for skill players makes no sense anyway, and he should get it. I'm sure he, and all those other egotistic/superstitious players are willing to pay good money...
 
TreWardTxn said:
When the NFL thinks of all the jersey sales and marketing $$$ they can make in LA by allowing Bush to keep his #5 and his California connection, they will change their tune. The isn't in the business of marketing guys who look or talk like Edgerrin James, so it stands to reason they wouldn't make any exceptions for him.

The league is in good shape, it's not like they need Reggie Bush or any other 'once-in-a-generation player (like the NBA did), but they have an opportunity here to tap into a market they've wanted for awhile now, and this may be their best bet...
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To say the NFL needs LA in my opinon is ridiculous (not that you said that). The NFL has seen its greatest expansion without it. Are there incremental dollars there that they want? Yes.

Reggie Bush has proven that he is a once in a decade player in college football, Kijana Carter. It is still undetermined if that title will transfer to the NFL.
 
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