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Bush advocates -- read and weep

kastofsna said:
nope. but he was traded for his contract disputes, not his playing.
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tulexan said:
And no I would not have traded Marshall Faulk back then. He was a potential 1000 rushing 1000 receiving yard threat back and wasn't even in his prime yet. Funny how he won offensive player of the year 2 out of the next three years en route to winning the Super Bowl once and going a second time.

I'm sure the Colts are really happy about getting rid of him now.
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seems like somepeople are too caught up in the hype machine to see what they are looking at.

tulexan, I couldn't have said it better myself.



thunderkyss said:
the main reason I don't like the argument that Reggie is the next Faulk, is for all we know, we already have the next Faulk...... only bigger, and stronger, in DD. Look at the stats of the first three years of their carreers. Sure, DD is slower, & he can't take it to the house from 80 yards out........ at least he hasn't done it yet.

three years, total yards…….. Marshall 4372
Three years, total yards…….. Domanick 4471

Rushing yards
Marshall 1282yds/yr1 1079yds/yr2 587yds/yr3
Domanick 1031yds/yr1 1188yds/yr2 976yds/yr3

Avg YPC:
Marshall 4.1 yr1 3.7 yr2 3 yr3
Domanick 4.3 yr1 3.9 yr2 4.2 yr3

Longest run:
Marshall: 52 yrds 40 yrds 43 yrds
Domanick: 51yrds 44yrds 44yrds

TDs:
Marshall: 11 11 7 total 29
Domanick: 8 13 2 total 23


20+ yrd runs...
in his first 3 years, Marshall had 19 runs over 20 yrds, Domanick had 13

Recieving you say??
three years...
Marshall: 1425 yards, with only two reception going for more than 40 yards.
Domanick: 1276 yards with no receptions going for more than 40yards.

Before this season, I've heard people compare Domonick Davis to Emmitt Smith, and Marshall Faulk. The only real knock on him, is that he's missed a few games.


games played:
Marshall 16 yr1 16 yr2 13 yr3 45 total
Domanick 14 yr1 15 yr2 11 yr3 40 total

Domanick only missed 5 more games than Marshall did his first three years. He has more rushing yards, 150 yards less recieving.

If Reggie Bush is so great, because he is going to be the next Marshall Faulk, why do we need two Marshall Faulks??
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You kid yourselves, if you think we can/will keep Reggie and DD. It won't happen. There is another thread, here, about Denver's RBBC......... & the fact, that Denver has only recently used what appears to be RBBC. I say appears, because with the release of Mike Anderson, it looks like they were testing Bell & Dayne, more than they were easing the load on MA, or using a Change of pace approach. Next year, you'll see it's going to be one of those two guys, and the other will be a back up. I'm betting on Dayne being their guy, the bigger back with speed and quickness, but will pop you in the mouth, like a real football player, when he runs it between the tackles.

Drafting Reggie is booting DD out the door, just as much as Drafting Vince signals Carr's exodus.
 
Dead On. Like i've been saying....everyone has just quit on DD when last year he was considered a possible top 5 back. We already know when he is healthy he is a top 10 back. That whole RBBC thing is crap and event he coaches who are using it would rather not be. It basically means, hey we don't have a guy thats good enough at what he does (powering through or cutting through) to take the majority of the carries. Notice the RBBC aren't exactly what you called high paid RB's, and never swarmed after when they hit FA. Teams don't want to platoon this spot, sometimes its just necessary.
 
Nighthawk said:
This important data from Fox Sports article to be found here http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5483606.

Let's hope we manage to trade down.
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The main differrence is that the Texans under-played there ability last year. The Texans talent was bad, but it was not the worst in the league. Realistically, the team should have won 4-6 games last year. If you combine this with the fact that the team has done well to fill holes in free agency, has three more picks besides Bush on the first day, and has an exciting new coaching staff - you have to think this team is heading in a much more positive direction than Faulk in Indy or Barry Sanders in the perenially crappy Detroit.

You just keep cheering for the exciting plays, I want to win and Reggie Bush will help that goal.
 
JAXwithanX said:
Dead On. Like i've been saying....everyone has just quit on DD when last year he was considered a possible top 5 back. We already know when he is healthy he is a top 10 back. That whole RBBC thing is crap and event he coaches who are using it would rather not be. It basically means, hey we don't have a guy thats good enough at what he does (powering through or cutting through) to take the majority of the carries. Notice the RBBC aren't exactly what you called high paid RB's, and never swarmed after when they hit FA. Teams don't want to platoon this spot, sometimes its just necessary.
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i dont agree- its good to have 2 good rb's who can come in refreshed and tire out the defence. also there aren't many rb's who can do it all- pound the ball but have lightning speed and receiving skills. Regarding DD- i dont think drafting RB spells the end for him, we're not drafting a lendale white, reggie isn't a carry the load runner and will be a receiver also, so you need a ggod substitute for him because of this- something which DD is
 
Maddict5 said:
i dont agree- its good to have 2 good rb's who can come in refreshed and tire out the defence. also there aren't many rb's who can do it all- pound the ball but have lightning speed and receiving skills. Regarding DD- i dont think drafting RB spells the end for him, we're not drafting a lendale white, reggie isn't a carry the load runner and will be a receiver also, so you need a ggod substitute for him because of this- something which DD is
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How is going 3 and out because you can't protect the QB going to tire out a defense? :brickwall

And do you really think any team in the NFL could pay DD $5 million per year and Bush $8 mil+? If they draft Bush, DD will be traded as soon as cap ramifications make it possible. They won't spend 1/8th of the cap on the running back position.

bad said:
The catch is that in this year's draft there isn't, according to consensus opinion a left tackle standing heads and shoulders above the rest, at least not since Winston Justice pulled a Clark Kent at his Pro Day.
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So why is D'Brick #2-3 on almost every board, but Justice is a questionable top 10? D'brick IS the consesus best tackle in the draft and is compared to Orlando Pace and Walter Jones. Justice has several question marks surrounding him, including character issues and having an impressive pro day doesn't make him a better tackle. Mayby we should trade the #1 pick for Alex Barron, he ran a 4.8, he must be amazing! Foot speed does not = foot work and technique.

el toro said:
People are still doubting the pick? Oh well, fans will be fans. A year from now there won't be a soul who will admit they were opposed to picking Bush.
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When Carr gets sacked 50+ times this year and Bush doesn't win the starting job, alot of people will scream about the pick.
 
Goatcheese said:
When Carr gets sacked 50+ times this year and Bush doesn't win the starting job, alot of people will scream about the pick.
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Replacing the word "When" with the word "If" would have given the rest of your post a lot more credence. All this Boboesque doomsaying makes me wonder if last year's 2-14 hasn't left a lot of Texans fans shell-shocked.

Personally, I think last year was an aberration, and one best left behind along with the 3-4 defense and the old coaching staff. We have 4 first-day picks, including the #1 overall. A new defensive scheme. A new offensive blocking scheme.

The odds are very good that we draft Reggie Bush and the odds are that he will make an instant impact.

Resistance is futile.

Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."
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The two prospects that came out of the offseason with the fewest question marks are Reggie Bush and Mario Williams . Both had great workouts and have set themseleves up to be in the top three picks .

The workouts are to help the NFL project who will succeed at the next level . RB and Mario ... seem to have what it takes on paper . The same can't be said for Vince , he maybe a great NFL QB but right now his Wunderlich and 40 times are suspect .

The problem with the Texans is that best prospects are not real need positions . The really don't need a RB or a DE and they certainly don't need another high priced QB .
 
bad said:
Replacing the word "When" with the word "If" would have given the rest of your post a lot more credence. All this Boboesque doomsaying makes me wonder if last year's 2-14 hasn't left a lot of Texans fans shell-shocked.
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I don't believe it's a question of "If". If they don't improve the line Carr is still going to get sacked alot. As for me being a doomsayer, I'm very opstimistic about this season based on the talent we have now. We could win 7-9 games with our roster, before the draft. We won 7 games in '04 despite carr being sacked 44 times. All I said was that "When" Carr gets sacked 50+ times people will question passing on an opportunity to improve the line in favor of a flashy running back. Who, btw, I don't believe can win the starting job until he learns to run North and South.

bad said:
Personally, I think last year was an aberration, and one best left behind along with the 3-4 defense and the old coaching staff. We have 4 first-day picks, including the #1 overall. A new defensive scheme. A new offensive blocking scheme.

The odds are very good that we draft Reggie Bush and the odds are that he will make an instant impact.

Resistance is futile.
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I agree the Bush pick is all but inevitable. I just don't think it's the best move for the Texans.
 
Goatcheese said:
I don't believe it's a question of "If". If they don't improve the line Carr is still going to get sacked alot. As for me being a doomsayer, I'm very opstimistic about this season based on the talent we have now. We could win 7-9 games with our roster, before the draft. We won 7 games in '04 despite carr being sacked 44 times. All I said was that "When" Carr gets sacked 50+ times people will question passing on an opportunity to improve the line in favor of a flashy running back. Who, btw, I don't believe can win the starting job until he learns to run North and South.



I agree the Bush pick is all but inevitable. I just don't think it's the best move for the Texans.
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Fair enough. :)

It seems us Texans fans will just have to agree to disagree - for two more weeks - then after the lucky guessers get all the "I told you so's" out of their system (and give Hottoddie his new moniker), maybe we can all come together in support of our new players.

:pigfly:
 
Hottoddie said:
Why don't you step up & put your vote in now? That way I can start thinking about your new moniker between now & the draft. I want to come up with something real special for you. :stirpot: :D

Here's the link, so that you don't have to search for it.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=20744
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I think you have enough takers. Plus it's a win-win for you. Your moniker can be replaced by just about any warm liquid.

Mine's just plain bad and it's a legacy. Thanks for the link though. Great comedy.
 
bad said:
I think you have enough takers. Plus it's a win-win for you. Your moniker can be replaced by just about any warm liquid.

Mine's just plain bad and it's a legacy. Thanks for the link though. Great comedy.
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Chicken. :)
 
hotto, you DO realize that the texans are 100% drafting bush, right? nice attempt at getting attention, though.
 
Hottoddie said:
Chicken. :)
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That's probably the moniker you would've given me. At least I'd have a cool avatar...

superchicken.jpg
 
kastofsna said:
hotto, you DO realize that the texans are 100% drafting bush, right? nice attempt at getting attention, though.
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Sniff sniff, is that fish I smell? You guys looking for a RB that isn't going to do squat? I'll trade him to you for Ronnie Brown, Matt Roth, & your #1 pick (#16). How about it, you biting? :D :stirpot: :D
 
Hottoddie said:
Sniff sniff, is that fish I smell? You guys looking for a RB that isn't going to do squat? I'll trade him to you for Ronnie Brown, Matt Roth, & your #1 pick (#16). How about it, you biting? :D :stirpot: :D
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no thanks, brown is better than bush.
 
kastofsna said:
no thanks, brown is better than bush.
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We will see about that!:stirpot:
actually it goes like this....

No thanks, Bush will be better than Brown. :)
 
My name is Earl said:
We will see about that!:stirpot:
actually it goes like this....

No thanks, Bush will be better than Brown. :)
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All right, now we're starting to get somewhere. Let's start dragging fans in from other boards & find out if they think their RB's are better than Bush. If so, then Bush can't be all that special. :stirpot: :stirpot:
 
or maybe brown is that special. as bill belichick called him, "the best runningback to enter the draft since ladanian tomlinson."
 
kastofsna said:
or maybe brown is that special. as bill belichick called him, "the best runningback to enter the draft since ladanian tomlinson."
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Reggie Bush is the best in decades..........
 
Kaiser Toro said:
How could anyone possibly know that?
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Im just saying that from a sheer statistical standpoint.....Reggie Bush has as many touchdowns and carries in the nfl as I do.
 
swtbound07 said:
Reggie isnt better than caddilac, ronnie brown, or cedric benson.
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swtbound07 said:
Im just saying that from a sheer statistical standpoint.....Reggie Bush has as many touchdowns and carries in the nfl as I do.
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So does VY, so does D'Brick, so does Mario.....how much more idiotic are you planning on making the comparisons? By that brilliant logic, there's plenty of Defensive lineman who are better RBs than Bush & QBs than Vince, simply because they have a TD in the NFL.:brickwall

Hey, if you want to say that ALL draftees are a crapshoot, then I'll buy it. On the flip side, please stop comparing players that were never rated as highly before their drafts, (and haven't done that well in the NFL either) to a PROJECTED, CONSENSUS #1 overall.
 
disaacks3 said:
So does VY, so does D'Brick, so does Mario.....how much more idiotic are you planning on making the comparisons? By that brilliant logic, there's plenty of Defensive lineman who are better RBs than Bush & QBs than Vince, simply because they have a TD in the NFL.:brickwall

Hey, if you want to say that ALL draftees are a crapshoot, then I'll buy it. On the flip side, please stop comparing players that were never rated as highly before their drafts, (and haven't done that well in the NFL either) to a PROJECTED, CONSENSUS #1 overall.
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Didnt they ALL go in the top 5 in last years draft? Didnt cadillac win OROY? Yes...the draft is a crapshoot. Besides, the word Consensus implies everybody right? Well im not agreeing with everybody....so the consensus talk can go away.

*Full disclosure....im rapidly getting drunker*
 
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