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Building a Winner

BlueThunder said:
I think that draft would have to many OL in it.Why draft OL if your never going to give them a chance to develope.We would have to release all the young linemen we have to make room.Plus the TE sounds to have been the achilles heel of the offense.I think they should quit reaching and get a quality TE.
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Yea replace mediocre players with ones that are better and you don't have to release them it's something they call DEPTH!!!!!
 
whiskeyrbl said:
What about this Draft if we trade with Jets for 1st and 2nd this year and1st and 3rd next year:
#4: D'brick (LT)
#33 N.Mangold (C)
#36 J.Joseph CB (SC)
#65 V.Adejanu DE (INDIANA)
#66 Setterstrom OG (MINN)
#97 C.Humes RB (Virg. Tech)
#129 S.Green WR (LSU)
#161 R.Harper S (Ala)
#193 Bieneman TE (Wash.St.)
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That would not be a bad plan at all and I'd be happy if we get something like that, but I'd still rather switch it around like this:
#4 Mario Williams, DE
#33 Eric Winston, OT
#36 Nick Mangold, C
#65 best CB/WR available
#66 T.J. Williams, TE
#97 best DB available (CB if we go WR at #65, S if we go CB at #65)
#129 Rocky McIntosh/Anthony Schlegel, LB
#161 best WR/DB/LB/DE/OL for added depth (combo player like Reggie McNeal would be nice if he lasts).
#193 best WR/DB/LB/DE/OL
 
Go to scouting.com and look at the reports on the individuals i stated for drafting i think you will see why.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Go to scouting.com and look at the reports on the individuals i stated for drafting i think you will see why.
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Go to where? Type out the full link, I'd be interested to see any additional info/data on all these guys.
 
BlueThunder said:
Feel free to add any input if you see better ways,,,,

I can just see the Offensive and Defensive coordinator in camp battling to rattle the other with something they think can't be matched.Everyone has a few little tweener/tweakers to match up.


QB Vince Young David Carr Dave Ragone
RB Dominique Davis Verand Morancy Brian Calhoun
TE/FB David Thomas ( Marcelles?Rivers) Robert Royal
WR Andra Johnson Senorice Moss Anthony Mix (6rd project)
WR Jerome Mathis Derek Armstrong Donovan Morgan


RT Andrew Whitworth Fred Wand
RG Milford Brown Bryan Pittman
C Todd Washington Drew Hodgdon
LG Chester Pitts Seth Wand
LT Todd Wade Tyson Walters

DE Aaron Kampman Moe Thompson
DT Travis Johnson
NT Seth Payne Robaire Smith
DE Kyle Van Bosch Jason Babin

OLB (Antwan Peak DE)Cato June Terna Nande
MLB Kalee Wong Deshawn Polk Aaron Harris
OLB (Shantee Orr DE) Marlin Greenwood Eric Ingram

CB Nate Clements DaMarcus Faggens
SS/LB Bernard Pollard C.C Brown Lewis Sanders
FS Chris Hope Glenn Earl Jason Bell
CB Dunta Robinson Philip Buchanon

I know you guys want to draft a whole line but with young players developing and coming into contract years I think we should give them a chance in the new system.The linemen in the draft look good but they will need time before we can depend on them.The 3 and 4 year Lineman should start to show this year if there ever going anywhere.Next year we will know more about what we need. As for the LBers we need to find out who can cover and where everyone will play.I will be working on them but,being a new team for me i've listened to a lot you've said.We may have better play out these guys with something up front to keep the linemen off them.As for the secondary,let them fight for a spot.As for the DL I think we should settle for a tackling machine at Value on one side and atleast one great Passrusher to get pressure the first year.We can turn Travis loose with a clog holding the middle.Robaire Smith will rotate with the other 2 DTs to keep them fresh.If this WR ain't there we can get a pass catching TE OR WR.We don't need to waste picks taking projects early..I really want to pick up atleast one vet 43 LBer so we can balance the weakness but if we can get by with our players its on to the future!
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PRESEASON STARTING SECOND TEAM
Offense

QB Vince Young
RB Brian Calhoun
FB Rocky Cartwright
TE David Thomas
WR Jerome Mathis
WR Senorice Moss
RT Todd Wade
RG Milford Brown
C Brian Pittman
LG Drew Hodgdon
LT Andrew Whitworth

Defense

DE Moe Thompson
DT Robaire Smith
NT John Jolly
DE Jason Babin
WLB Terna Nande
MLB Aaron Harris
SLB Clint Ingram
CB DeMarcus Faggens
SS Bernard Pollard
FS Glenn Earl
CB Philip Buchanon
Nickel Jason Bell
 
whiskey I think the difference is do you want D improved more or offense improved more. Personally I want our D to be ready, because offense is nothing but a couple of players away. We have relatively the same offense from the year we went 7-9 the offense is not that bad, problem is we have no defenses identity. What Mario Williams, Jonathan Joseph/Demario Minter, Rocky McIntosh, and Athlete X does is give us a young nucleus to team with our current defenders that are tough and mean. We need to get to that if we are going to succeed in a division as tough as ours. I like your thoughts you have us getting some guys that I like alot, and I have been to that site dont agree with everything he says and I think Beerlover has said enough about that guy, but I would not be mad at your draft, I just think in your draft we are not getting that identity shift that this team needs.
 
Blue Tyson Walters just does not seem like the guy that is gonna end up making our team. If we bring in Winston/Justice/Scott/Ferguson and Eslinger/Mangold/Setterstrom then he is definately on his way out. Either way at least you put Chris Hope on there and I like that Peek and Babin are better than Aaron Kampman so dont really like that. Also the LBs are kinda off, but you can figure that one out. And just a last note his name is Morlon Greenwood not Marlin.
 
Coach C. said:
whiskey I think the difference is do you want D improved more or offense improved more. Personally I want our D to be ready, because offense is nothing but a couple of players away. We have relatively the same offense from the year we went 7-9 the offense is not that bad, problem is we have no defenses identity. What Mario Williams, Jonathan Joseph/Demario Minter, Rocky McIntosh, and Athlete X does is give us a young nucleus to team with our current defenders that are tough and mean. We need to get to that if we are going to succeed in a division as tough as ours. I like your thoughts you have us getting some guys that I like alot, and I have been to that site dont agree with everything he says and I think Beerlover has said enough about that guy, but I would not be mad at your draft, I just think in your draft we are not getting that identity shift that this team needs.
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Actually i want both but i can agree D is probably more important right now,I could see taking Mario instead of D'brick,LB's I would look seiously at FA at Julian Peterson,Akin Ayodele,or Wil Weatherspoon.I like Joseph at CB,2 ballhawking,lay your *** out CB's would be awesome.Have you looked at Harper S (ala) and Adeyanju (Indiana) DE,i think they would be good p/u's late.
 
The only way I would agree to passing on Vince, is a trade down scenario. It is hard to go wrong when trading down as long is the value is right.

I just don't think we should trade out of the top 3, considering the value drops off as far as franchise player goes. Four for D'brick isn't a bad trade if it came with alot of other things, but D'brick isn't anything to go build a team around, and neither is very much after him.

So basically I wanted to discuss some possible trades with NO and Tenn. I don't think the Texans can go wrong with any of the 3 players.
 
YoungnotBush said:
The only way I would agree to passing on Vince, is a trade down scenario. It is hard to go wrong when trading down as long is the value is right.

I just don't think we should trade out of the top 3, considering the value drops off as far as franchise player goes. Four for D'brick isn't a bad trade if it came with alot of other things, but D'brick isn't anything to go build a team around, and neither is very much after him.

So basically I wanted to discuss some possible trades with NO and Tenn. I don't think the Texans can go wrong with any of the 3 players.
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I think there are 5 tier 1 players that you can add to the franchise and improve. Williams and Ferguson will have impacts like the big 3.

New Orleans has no incentive to trade up. They want a QB and either Young or Leinart or both will be there. What could trading up get them? Tennessee might if they were very locked in on one player, but I imagine they are content with getting Young or Leinart depending on who falls past New Orleans. If the Texans take Young and the Saints take Leinart they'll have the ability to trade down with someone that wants Bush. The Jets and Packers are the best options for a trade.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I think there are 5 tier 1 players that you can add to the franchise and improve. Williams and Ferguson will have impacts like the big 3.

New Orleans has no incentive to trade up. They want a QB and either Young or Leinart or both will be there. What could trading up get them? Tennessee might if they were very locked in on one player, but I imagine they are content with getting Young or Leinart depending on who falls past New Orleans. If the Texans take Young and the Saints take Leinart they'll have the ability to trade down with someone that wants Bush. The Jets and Packers are the best options for a trade.
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I had heard that Tennesse would likely go after D'Brick and not Young because Young does not fit in the Norm Chow style Offense,if that was the case we might be able to trade with them so they could get Lienart if he is more Chow's flavor. HMMMMMM gets more interesting everyday
 
YoungnotBush said:
The only way I would agree to passing on Vince, is a trade down scenario. It is hard to go wrong when trading down as long is the value is right.

I just don't think we should trade out of the top 3, considering the value drops off as far as franchise player goes. Four for D'brick isn't a bad trade if it came with alot of other things, but D'brick isn't anything to go build a team around, and neither is very much after him.

So basically I wanted to discuss some possible trades with NO and Tenn. I don't think the Texans can go wrong with any of the 3 players.
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The Saints definitely will not trade up at all. Why would they be interested in that? They are guaranteed one of the top two QBs in this draft (likely guaranteed Leinart since the Texans don't want him), so they aren't about to give away more stuff in order to move up, draft the same guy and pay him more money. The Titans likely aren't going to trade up either. They are 95% sure the Texans aren't drafting Vince or Leinart, so they can sit at #3 and grab either one that falls, or if both are somehow gone then they can grab D'Brick since their OLine needs some help too. They have no incentive for trading picks or playes away to move up and take the same guy they'll get at #3 and paying that much more money for him, especially with the cap problems they already have. If anything they will try to trade down to acquire more/later picks to fill holes and spend less money.

TexanBacker is right, there are more than just the three guys as top-tier players. Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and Mario Williams can definitely be considered in that top group, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and A.J. Hawk could maybe be added but I'm a little more hesitant on them. You want to make sure you stay in the top 4-5 picks to get one of these guys as there is a decent drop off in talent past them (there is plenty of talent and this is a very deep draft, but these guys are clearly above everyone else, especially these top 4). My #1 guy that I hope we get in this whole draft is Mario Williams, #2 would be Reggie Bush, so to me I would accept any kind of reasonable deal to move down to #4/5. I am not willing to get ripped off on it, but I'm not going to require two 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd and something more to get there since he is my top guy I want. It will be interesting to see how the combine, pro days, and workouts end up and what the Texans draft board looks like by April 29th.
 
MorKnolle said:
That would not be a bad plan at all and I'd be happy if we get something like that, but I'd still rather switch it around like this:
#4 Mario Williams, DE
#33 Eric Winston, OT
#36 Nick Mangold, C
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This sounds good if Mangold is around at #36. Even if he's not, Mario/Winston sounds better than DBrick/Mangold as in the post you were responding to.
I really haven't been a trade down guy, but I must admit that the idea is growing on me. Maybe it's just becoming better educated on the subject...

#4 Mario Williams,DE
#33 Eric Winston, OT
#36 Senorice Moss, WR - or Best TE Available
would work for me if Moss is on the board @#36. I don't know what TE to target @ #36 though...
Another thing... I'm not for drafting an RB at all if we pass on Reggie, unlike a previous post.
 
I still think Morlon Greenwood is the MLB.....



--Kyle Van Bosch--Seth Payne--Travis Johnson--Aaron Kampman---

------Shantee Orr-----Morlon Greenwood----Antwan Peak--------

------------Lance Shultzer----------C.C Brown ---------

------Dunta Robinson----------------------Nate Clements



,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,He knows every position in the 43 defense!
 
michaelm said:
This sounds good if Mangold is around at #36. Even if he's not, Mario/Winston sounds better than DBrick/Mangold as in the post you were responding to.
I really haven't been a trade down guy, but I must admit that the idea is growing on me. Maybe it's just becoming better educated on the subject...

#4 Mario Williams,DE
#33 Eric Winston, OT
#36 Senorice Moss, WR - or Best TE Available
would work for me if Moss is on the board @#36. I don't know what TE to target @ #36 though...
Another thing... I'm not for drafting an RB at all if we pass on Reggie, unlike a previous post.
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Moss would be an interesting addition at #36 if he lasts that far. I think Mangold will still be there at #36 as interior linemen aren't usually taken in the 1st, and I would prefer to hold off on getting a TE until the 3rd round. In the 3rd, we can still get Klopfenstein, David Thomas, Tim Day, or my rising prospect in T.J. Williams, and Byrd or Fasano could end up falling that far too.
 
Heres to all you guys question on if I would servive not getting Vince Young?

I'm still here and plan to see this go straight to the top..

11 and 5 with Southern title....LETS GO GET IT!****:trophy:****

Theres a lot of changes and ajustments coming from what has been done,,plus I never got to finish this draft from 2/15 and being a new fan..

DAVID CARR will find himself 4308 Yards Passing
 
Glad you are still with us BT. I know it's slow, but please let this dungy pellet float back to the bottom of the bowl where it belongs, thanks.I just waisted five minutes rereading it. :fireball:
 
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