Buck Harvey gets it, hopefully the Texans will as well.

[Kaiser Toro]

If Carr wants to be an atheist and put puppy's to sleep as a hobby I have zero problem with it as long as he contributes to the success of the team. It is a poor arguement in my opinion that tells me that Vince lovers have nothjng else to offer to this debate.

My take is not to have either of them. Moreover, as an ardent Carr contract hater I think it would be more foolish to release him and sign VY with the #1.

 

[Dr. Toro]

A) None of those guys have a chance of being teh #1 overall pick

B) I never said it reflected basly on VY, just that I'm concerned the about the advice he is getting. See Ricky Willams first NFL contract.

C) Once again I NEVER said it reflected poorly on VY.

But if I must, once again the VY fan club picks a minor point in a post, written by somebody who doesn't agree with them, and harps on that. So please Dr Toro tell me, was it a good group of QBs at this made for tv event ot judge VY against? Have you ever seen him throw a good, and I mean NFL goo not college good, pass to a recevier running a 15 yard out route?

Becasue I say no one both counts, and before anybody yells at me; I saw damn near every snap of UT football this year and last year.

Are you trying to say you are honestly concened about VY? Davis and Williams are top 10 picks, Maroney and Moss are first rounders, are they getting bad advice? It seems to me like you made showing up for a worthless made for TV event where it would be near impossible to get hurt evidence of bad advice. This isn't touch football on sand, but running through ropes with a football in hand. He got good PR, met some good college players, got a free TV, did ESPN a favor, visited Ricky Williams, had some fun, c'mon. Just don't say ridiculous stuff, and I won't point it out.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Are you trying to say you are honestly concened about VY? Davis and Williams are top 10 picks, Maroney and Moss are first rounders, are they getting bad advice? It seems to me like you made showing up for a worthless made for TV event where it would be near impossible to get hurt evidence of bad advice. This isn't touch football on sand, but running through ropes with a football in hand. He got good PR, met some good college players, got a free TV, did ESPN a favor, visited Ricky Williams, had some fun, c'mon. Just don't say ridiculous stuff, and I won't point it out.

It is bad advice to compete at an event that will do NOTHING to help your draft status, period.

And as I said, VY was the only onein attendance who had the chance to go #1. In my opionin no NFL propect should have taken part, but of all those present VY had teh most to lose, and nobody had anyting to gain.

And why wouldn't I be concerned for VY? I may not think he is the best fit for the Texans. He is a home town good about to make real good, and I'll probaly follow his career no matter where he goes.

But just my take, and losing in some of those event ot that crowd of QBs must have been a tad embarassing ofr VY, don't you think?

 

[Vinny]

It is bad advice to compete at an event that will do NOTHING to help your draft status, period.

And as I said, VY was the only onein attendance who had the chance to go #1. In my opionin no NFL propect should have taken part, but of all those present VY had teh most to lose, and nobody had anyting to gain.

And why wouldn't I be concerned for VY? I may not think he is the best fit for the Texans. He is a home town good about to make real good, and I'll probaly follow his career no matter where he goes.

But just my take, and losing in some of those event ot that crowd of QBs must have been a tad embarassing ofr VY, don't you think?

Nope, people question his passing ability and he has the confidence to show them otherwise. Very refreshing, very confident, and very impressive.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Look, all this yack about Bush in the slot opposite AJ with mathis on the othr side and DD in the backfield is crap.

He (Carr) still has to make the right decision (something he hasn't been able to do thus far), the guys still have to catch the ball (AJ and his dropsies) and Mathis still has to crack the line-up.

Point blank-Bush will be a rookie playing a 16 game season along w/4 pre-season games and the possibility of a 5th if we play one down in Mexico City (rumor). That's alot for a rookie guy who split carries in college. The team will continue to struggle. Especially if we draft someone with our first pick who needs to split carries with someone as well as not being an option on short yardage situations.

 

[Dr. Toro]

It is bad advice to compete at an event that will do NOTHING to help your draft status, period.

Not if it's fun and doesn't pose any real risk to your health. Let the man have fun without second guessing his counsel. He's got Steve McNair Inc., the whole Texas sports information department, prominent Texas alumni, Major Adams (not No Limit Records), watching out for him to make sure he doesn't pull a Ricky Williams.

Y'know why Brett Favre always looked so cool under pressure, late in games leading comebacks, slinging that thing? He was having fun. That doesn't make VY Brett Favre, but having fun ain't all bad.

 

[mikoto]

Look, all this yack about Bush in the slot opposite AJ with mathis on the othr side and DD in the backfield is crap.

He (Carr) still has to make the right decision (something he hasn't been able to do thus far), the guys still have to catch the ball (AJ and his dropsies) and Mathis still has to crack the line-up.

Point blank-Bush will be a rookie playing a 16 game season along w/4 pre-season games and the possibility of a 5th if we play one down in Mexico City (rumor). That's alot for a rookie guy who split carries in college. The team will continue to struggle. Especially if we draft someone with our first pick who needs to split carries with someone as well as not being an option on short yardage situations.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that this will be some sort of full time alignment, just an option. That is really what the Bush pick boils down to; versatility and talent combined. You say "part time" like it's a bad thing. Knowing what a player can do and where he will line up is the best thing you can do for defensive game planning. The versatility of Bush to line up anywhere and, yes, split carries is his greatest asset and the very reason why teams love him. If you don't get that then you are stuck "inside the box", my friend. I hope you find the 250 pound running back of your dreams. In the mean time, I prefer options on offense that prevent the defense from knowing what you are up to no matter the down and distance.

If we don't trade out of the #1 slot, the odds are in favor of us seeing this alignment sometimes, as we will see many others. Mathis is still hope. Bradford stinks so he might be realized hope by default, lol.

Every rookie faces the infamous "rookie wall" even invincible QB's rated no higher that #3 on anyones board and as low as 15 on some. And this guy has to run and throw, phew, I get tired just thinking about it. For the record, I love VY and wish he could lead us to super bowls. That would be my ultimate Houston sports fantasy come true. But "point-blank" he is not a #1 pick. I would love to trade down and get tons of picks but I still would not pick VY. Do we need a QB more than a LB or a CB or a DE or a o-lineman of any flavor? I think not. Next year is soon enough for QB's, but next year will be defense and the Carr haters will eat it again, lol. A serviceable QB is harder to find than some of you seem to realize. Why the insistence that carr be great or be cut for the flavor of the month? You do realize that QB's bust more often than any other position? Even Ryan Leaf was "clutch" and a "leader" in College, and he had a darn sight better arm than VY (and Peyton Manning for that matter), *and* better mechanics than VY. Wait, he went to a horrible team? hrm.

You are right about Carr though, he has never made a correct decision. Also, he always played under brilliant coaching, always had a great game plan to work with, and always had tons of talent and time to make those "never correct" decisions. J/K, just pointing out the absurdity of absolutes.

 

[C Madd]

Yea, and Bush couldn't even get on the field when the game was on the line. This happened on more than one occasion. See the ND game when Leinert QB sneaked it 2 playes in a row or a few plays earlier when it was 4th and 9. Where was he then.....well just like you said, out of bounds (a.k.a. on the bench). Don't even get me started on the UT game either, he was the change of pace back where Fatboy was the feature back. Yeah, let's draft Bush, I wouldn't mind going 5-11 on average for the next 3 years until we let carrs' option desintergrate and draft another kid from CA. Lets just move the F@#%$ team to CA while we're at it. We can called the LA Earthquakes cuz watching us lose game after game will cause the fans to want throw the team in one.

How about we do this? We move our team to Austin, then we change our colors to a burnt orange. Would that make you happier?

 

[dirty steve]

Great column by Buck Harvey concerning VY:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/bharvey/stories/MYSA020706.1D.buck.12a0280.html

I don't get Carr apologists. What about him makes you think he can lead us to the promised land. As it has been widely reported he is cares more about his family and his religion than he does being a winning QB. That is not the type of guy I want leading my team. I want a guy with a burning desire to win and be a champion.

VY is that guy. Did you guys see him in the college football skills competition. There wasn't a throw he could not make.

why don't you quit with this. what makes you think VY is that guy? why can't ferguson be the one to stabilize the line, or bush the guy that adds a dynamic dimension to the offense. or maybe mario williams comes in and adds a true defensive end that we need?

another thing--did VY even face a pass rush in that made for TV joke? nice way to judge how he made all those throws under pressure, against an NFL defense.

 

[dmt217]

I don't understand the Bush v. VY debate. VY is not even considered top 5 material on many boards. Some boards have him anywhere from 7-15. Certainly he is not top two on anyones board except for those who think Carr sucks. Perhaps Carr does suck, but that would still not make it a responsible business decision, again at this time, to take VY with the #1 overall. Now, if we know Carr sucks (which we don't, come on, do you really think you know better than actual NFL coaches?), we could trade down a few spots, pick-up a bunch of picks in the deal and then get VY, then by all means consider it. But if you are going to stay at #1 VY is not a responsible pick. It is a reach and a terible gamble for a franchise who needs to get the closest thing to a sure thing in the draft, we need help, not potential. Never complain to anyone about Cassrely's gambles in the 2nd and 3rd rounds if you want VY with the #1. He is not as good of a prospect to NFL scouts as Bush OR Leinert, and I suspect those scouts and coaches know just a little more about football than you.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2005_3910994

Well, some coaches do think Carr sucks....

To Carr's credit, he takes a licking and keeps on ticking, but ask any coach or scout who watches tape of Texans games, and they'll tell you that he is to blame for a lot of the sacks.

One NFC coach who has watched tape of the Texans' games said this week that Carr has been hit so much that when he drops back and can't find a receiver immediately, he bails. That's a result of being sacked 167 times and getting hit many, many more.

An AFC personnel director who has watched the Texans says Carr has been hit so many times from so many angles that if he sets up and looks down the field and doesn't see a receiver, his head starts to swivel.

He feels the rush and instinctively expects to get crushed. When he bails, he might run right into a pass rusher. The blockers have no clue where he's going, so they don't know which way to try to take their man.

 

[Htown34s]

How about we do this? We move our team to Austin, then we change our colors to a burnt orange. Would that make you happier?

The UT Haters probably outnumber the UT fans 5:1 here. UT bashing is all the rage on this board, so don't think you are being unique.

 

[mikoto]

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2005_3910994

Well, some coaches do think Carr sucks....

Actually that article makes my point for me, well according to "anonymous" sources at least. Sometimes I wonder about McClain. Also, that section of the article should fall under the "captain obvious" category, which is probably why his "sources" were willing to say anything to him about it at all. Obviously, this is true.

Carr *has* sucked. I have never stated otherwise. Actually I have stated that due to the lack of talent, coaching, and gameplanning around him, he has no choice but to suck. Everybody sucks when they don't have time to throw, and everybody sucks when they have no weapons to throw to, and everybody sucks when getting pummeled is normal on a play instead of the exception, and everybody REALLY sucks when all of that is happening at once. If a monkey touches a hot stove, does he touch it again? It is called conditioning. YES, expect him to bail and have happy feet, who among us wouldn't? If you could then you are a bigger man than me. Personally 250-350lb men who can run and have bad intentions scare me.

Believe me, I know, unlearning is harder than learning. He may never recover to fulfill all of his promise, I acknowledge this simple fact. But to ruin him and them dump him? Seems a little weak. We should, and will, try to give him what any QB needs to be successful and then judge him over time (meaning a season or two even though you hate it). His upside that he has shown at times, albeit rare times, in the NFL makes him less of a risk than a rookie and he is still young.

Something about the fact that he holds the NFL single season record for being abused and holds the NFL record for being abused over four seasons, yet he keeps getting up and coming back for more and never unleashes on his teammates or coaches sits well with me. I think he has the courage to reclaim his confidence if given the opportunity, no one questions his physical tools. Don't bet on it, I'm wrong all the time . Just what I think.

 

[SESupergenius]

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2005_3910994

Well, some coaches do think Carr sucks....

It's hypocritical for McClain to say that Texans' problems are because Carr's head is on a swivel then in the same article he professes:

Carr is experiencing what many highly rated and highly paid quarterbacks have gone through. They play with bad teams early in their careers, and when things start to fall apart, they crater. It's not just in one area, either. And it's impossible to turn it around overnight.​

ok which is it, Carr can't see his recievers or our team is bad???? He talks from all sides of his mouth and doesn't seem to have a clear cut point of view.

 

[Texan Asylum]

Believe me, I know, unlearning is harder than learning. He may never recover to fulfill all of his promise, I acknowledge this simple fact. But to ruin him and them dump him? Seems a little weak. We should, and will, try to give him what any QB needs to be successful and then judge him over time (meaning a season or two even though you hate it).

That is the most intellegent thing I've read so far that's been posted for the defense of David Carr.

I can't wait till the season starts and alot of this "Gotta get rid of the Used Carr we got and trade up to a Younger version." stuff will go away.

Carr is my QB and I don't mind putting it on record.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

How about we do this? We move our team to Austin, then we change our colors to a burnt orange. Would that make you happier?

Nope, I could care less about burnt orange colors and the city of austin.
Just stating some distaine as to the bad decisions made and the ones that are gonna keep coming if we burn our #1 on a RB that can be found all through the draft.

Casserly said it himself. "Joe Gibbs always says you can never have enough QB's" (this was his defense for burning a 3rd rd'r on Ragone). And he also says when tooting his own horn about his ability to unearth RB's in the later rounds "You can always find a quality RB in round 3, 4, or 5." (DD, Stephen Davis, Riggins, Morency, etc....)

Now all of a sudden he thinks he should revert on that yet not revert on his decision to draft Carr. Give me a break.

The contradictions are flowing like cheap wine (Olympia Beer) at a red-neck family reunion.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Nope, I could care less about burnt orange colors and the city of austin.
Just stating some distaine as to the bad decisions made and the ones that are gonna keep coming if we burn our #1 on a RB that can be found all through the draft.

This is an honest question: what does distaine mean? At first I thought you meant disdain, but that doesn't make sense in the sentence, so I guess I am confused.

 

[Porky]

Porky is that suppose to be what I dont get it. They all put family above football. So where were you going with that.

Ya, you're probably right. Are these Ben's daughters? It's so nice to see him spending time with family. Awwww.

 

[Vinny]

The Roethlis-burger is a burger named after the popular Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. It costs $7 (the number Ben Roethlisberger wears) at Peppi's restaurants in Pittsburgh; cheese is 7 cents extra. The burger is topped with one and a half pounds of beef and sausage, as well as scrambled eggs, lettuce, tomato and American cheese on a Portuguese roll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roethlis-burger

you dont want to see a carr-burger. Its an empty bun with an IOU for some meat later on when they can get better quality pickles and lettuce.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Ya, you're probably right. Are these Ben's daughters? It's so nice to see him spending time with family. Awwww.

Your comments were in response to Coach C. speaking about putting football above family, so this makes no sense. Okay, so Ben puts partying above football...This adds credibility to your argument that these players put football first how?

 

[Htown34s]

you dont want to see a carr-burger. Its an empty bun with an IOU for some meat later on when they can get better quality pickles and lettuce.

Vinny, stop. You're killing me!

BTW, who is your avatar pic?

 

[Vinny]

Dunta...I'm looking for a black n white AJ or Dunta in Texans gear though. I like the stark no-nonsense look.

 

[Porky]

The Roethlis-burger is a burger named after the popular Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. It costs $7 (the number Ben Roethlisberger wears) at Peppi's restaurants in Pittsburgh; cheese is 7 cents extra. The burger is topped with one and a half pounds of beef and sausage, as well as scrambled eggs, lettuce, tomato and American cheese on a Portuguese roll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roethlis-burger

you dont want to see a carr-burger. Its an empty bun with an IOU for some meat later on when they can get better quality pickles and lettuce.

Vinny, this burger is so good, it's driven Burger King out of the burger Biz. He is now picking up chicks.

 

[mikoto]

Nope, I could care less about burnt orange colors and the city of austin.
Just stating some distaine as to the bad decisions made and the ones that are gonna keep coming if we burn our #1 on a RB that can be found all through the draft.

Casserly said it himself. "Joe Gibbs always says you can never have enough QB's" (this was his defense for burning a 3rd rd'r on Ragone). And he also says when tooting his own horn about his ability to unearth RB's in the later rounds "You can always find a quality RB in round 3, 4, or 5." (DD, Stephen Davis, Riggins, Morency, etc....)

Now all of a sudden he thinks he should revert on that yet not revert on his decision to draft Carr. Give me a break.

The contradictions are flowing like cheap wine (Olympia Beer) at a red-neck family reunion.

It is easy to point out contradictions. It is much harder to deal with the fluidity of whatever situation you find yourself in.
Seems to me we just got rid of a coaching staff that was married to a philosophy so much so that they misused Draft picks, Free Agents, and refused to allow room in this philosophy for certain realities such as player capability.

I hope you are not suggesting we maintain that type of systemic epistomology just until we draft your guy, then "No more square pegs in round holes!" That would not be a contradiction, it would be hypocricy.

McClain is not a hypocrite, I do not give him that much credit, he is just self-contradictory and, well, not that sharp. Many people who live off the printed word feel that they must make things that have no easy answer fit into a model which can be characterized by having sides. Then by adopting one side while allowing room for the other side to be valid they can achieve some sort of congruence by osmosis, lol. Life is not like that.

In this case the Chicken and the Egg is a simultaneous event. The QB is both the most responsible and dependent person on offense at all times. *Deal with it*.

EVERYBODY SUCKS, yay! We here at the Texans organization are equal opportunity suckers.

 

[Grid]

I know Id rather have a wife beating pagan as my QB... those guys really know how to lead a team.

 

[AustinJB]

The Roethlis-burger is a burger named after the popular Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. It costs $7 (the number Ben Roethlisberger wears) at Peppi's restaurants in Pittsburgh; cheese is 7 cents extra. The burger is topped with one and a half pounds of beef and sausage, as well as scrambled eggs, lettuce, tomato and American cheese on a Portuguese roll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roethlis-burger

you dont want to see a carr-burger. Its an empty bun with an IOU for some meat later on when they can get better quality pickles and lettuce.

LMAO!! That is funny stuff...heheheh!

 

[Fighting Blue Hen]

I know Id rather have a wife beating pagan as my QB... those guys really know how to lead a team.

Yeah, Warren Moon was fun to watch.

 

[jerek]

Does anyone here know how many hours Carr spends on preparation? TexansFight, you're first. I guess by the logic floating around, our offensive line is very good, we should have kept our coaching staff and let Carr go. Oh, and Casserly is doing a great job. I love the burnt orange logic, it makes sense.

Nobody on this board knows how many hours Carr spends in preparation. Some dubious journalist says that he "knows" that Carr spends x hours in preparation, or some vague "source close to the team" "told" him that, and then next thing you know it's gospel truth.

It's one thing to critique a guy's play. That at least is an opinion constructed on the basis of verifiable evidence. I could post some "pro-Carr" or "anti-Vince" article on here based upon much the same speculation, and the Vince huggers would be up in arms about the "speculation." Seems to me, you should be willing to give Carr the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this kind of "investigative reporting."

That is, of course, unless you are not engaged in any kind of factual mission and are simply trying to further your own agenda.

 

[bdiddy]

I have long been a proponent for Buck Harvey. He is a far superior reporter than any of our current main stays (especially McClain or Justice). This guy should be in a top 10 market, he just loves San Antonio. He, unlike McClain or Justice, can have his own unique opinion without having to be told what he should think. McClain has never written an original article - he spits out exactly whatever given scout he talked to that day happened to say. Additionally, at this point McClain better be under contract w/ VY for all the propoganda he is spouting off. Can he write an article about anything regarding the Texans that does not end with the general thesis of the Texans have to draft VY? The Texans have signed such and such as the new equipment manage, his favorite number is 10, further evidence that the Texans must draft VY. This is hyperbole, but I better watchout McClain may be trolling the boards for story ideas.