Bryan Hoyer Fan Club

[Marshall]

Stats alone do not make a good QB. I can always count on Hoyer to make 3-4 plays a game that make me say "WTF?"

It's funny that you should say that when I just watched a retro on Favre and it mentioned almost the same thing.

 

[Marshall]

You still need a QB that can make some plays (unless you have the rare historic defense, in which case it's just don't lose the game).

For instance, Flacco went on a run in the playoffs that tied a Joe Montana record (11 TD/0 INT). Eli and Kap were also clutch in their runs, as well. This is not an argument that they are "elite", but they have shown that they can be consistently good under pressure. This is where doubt about Hoyer comes into play. Being good over a four game stretch should not be a foundation for assumption that he can do it in December and January. He's got to prove it before many of us can believe in him.

What you forget is that having done it before, doesn't mean it can be repeated. None of those doing it the first time had ever done it before.

 

[ObsiWan]

The question was about Hoyer being as good as Alex Smith.

Yeah, I do. With a solid running attack (remember Alex Smith had Frank Gore, then Jamal Charles) and our defense and D-Hop as a prime weapon I think Hoyer can operate this offense as effectively as Alex Smith operates in KC.
Also recall I said we need to find a stud RB
AND, as I also said, the Texans' brain trust should continuously be beating the bushes for a QB upgrade.

 

[ObsiWan]

He'll be back next year. Your not out on a limb there. But dont fool yourself on hoyer...he's a 2-3 year bandaid at best. If ob doesnt find or at least TRY to find a franchise qb in his 3rd year...i dunno, think i'll give up on him completely. Almost everyone in the city knew we needed a qb 2 years ago. Well, except for ob.

I don't doubt the bolded one little bit.

 

[thunderkyss]

If we win the division, there's no way O'Brien is going to draft a QB in the first three rounds.

If we win a wild card spot,there's no way O'Brien is going to draft a QB in the first three rounds.

If we miss the playoffs on a tie breaker,there's no way O'Brien is going to draft a QB in the first three rounds.

If the season ended today,there's no way O'Brien is going to draft a QB in the first three rounds.

No. Instead we're going to compete in practice & get better at playing complimentary football. We've seen how we can win games playing good complimentary football. & until we're top 5 on defense, offense, & special teams, we're not drafting a QB in the first three rounds.

Sounds just like that Kubiak guy.

Huh?

I believe he means OB sounds like Kubiak in that he's stuck on Hoyer (which is what I'm implying) like Kubiak was stuck on Schaub.

 

[infantrycak]

I believe he means OB sounds like Kubiak in that he's stuck on Hoyer (which is what I'm implying) like Kubiak was stuck on Schaub.

Small difference being Schaub until his last season, i.e. after Kubiak's last draft, was a credible (arguable top 12) starting QB. And Hoyer is Hoyer. So basically nothing alike at all.

 

[Lucky]

How would you go about addressing the QB situation this offseason?

It's not rocket science, they have to draft a QB and begin to develop him. Not a late round flyer on a project, but a guy with tools and production. There's someone in every draft, and it's their job to find the guy. Not mine.

In 2014, the Texans had the pick of the litter and passed in each of the top 2 rounds. If they aren't drafting high enough to get that guy this year, they better find a way to get there. Yes, drafting a 1st round QB is a gamble. Every pick is a gamble regardless of position. Some teams are going to win and get their franchise QB. Some are going to lose (I'm talking about you, Cleveland). But you're going to lose for certain if you don't play. It's about time the Texans brain trust figures this out.

 

[DocBar]

It's not rocket science, they have to draft a QB and begin to develop him. Not a late round flyer on a project, but a guy with tools and production. There's someone in every draft, and it's their job to find the guy. Not mine.

In 2014, the Texans had the pick of the litter and passed in each of the top 2 rounds. If they aren't drafting high enough to get that guy this year, they better find a way to get there. Yes, drafting a 1st round QB is a gamble. Every pick is a gamble regardless of position. Some teams are going to win and get their franchise QB. Some are going to lose (I'm talking about you, Cleveland). But you're going to lose for certain if you don't play. It's about time the Texans brain trust figures this out.

I'm still holding out to see how Savage turns out. If he can't wrest the starting job from Hoyer in year three, he's a wasted draft pick. I really liked what I saw from him in preseason and I'm not worried about him being injury prone.


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[Lucky]

I'm still holding out to see how Savage turns out.

Fine. I'm not advocating cutting Savage. Just don't count on him being the guy and stand pat at the position.

 

[infantrycak]

Fine. I'm not advocating cutting Savage. Just don't count on him being the guy and stand pat at the position.

Exactly he can compete in his 3rd year. But you don't throw away a year because you have a flyer draft pick on the roster. That's like buying a lottery ticket and quitting your job before the numbers are announced.

 

[WolverineFan]

Small difference being Schaub until his last season, i.e. after Kubiak's last draft, was a credible (arguable top 12) starting QB. And Hoyer is Hoyer. So basically nothing alike at all.

Kubiak also invested two 2nd round picks in his QB and a 5th on a backup while O'Brien has invested a 4th on an apparent 3rd string guy and a 7th on a guy who's no longer with the team.

We can ***** about Kubiak for a lot of things (not having a suitable replacement for post-Schaub is a big one) but he at least invested in the position and his investment played at a decently high level over the course of multiple seasons. Meanwhile, O'Brien has consistently avoided investing in the position and is instead content to go dumpster diving for bargain deals on replacement level talents.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm still holding out to see how Savage turns out. If he can't wrest the starting job from Hoyer in year three, he's a wasted draft pick. I really liked what I saw from him in preseason and I'm not worried about him being injury prone.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, depending on what you mean by "wrest the starting job."

I liked Savage as a prospect in that draft. I didn't agree there wasn't much "separation" like OB said, but as a prospect, a long term prospect I can see Savage being a solid starter... like Schaub. Which is about where I see Bridgewater & Carr. But there was no question Bridgewater was the more "NFL ready"

So, personally, I don't expect, or even want to see Savage get the job by winning a competition in closed practice. If we make it to the playoffs, I don't have a problem with OB keeping Hoyer as the starter. If we win, I don't care who the QB is. I really don't (I just always thought it was extremely doubtful we could win with Brian Hoyer as our starting QB). But Savage should be the back up.

Hoyer is going to get hurt & Savage will have the opportunity to show us he should be starting. If he can't, then it's time to move on.

Fine. I'm not advocating cutting Savage. Just don't count on him being the guy and stand pat at the position.

I'd have to see a can't miss guy within reach. If we're "winning." If we miss the playoffs, 9-7, 10-6 whatever... I'm with you. To me, winning is doing whatever it takes against your field of competition to get into the play offs. Brian Hoyer is not even a stop gap. We need to dump him, bring in a high draft pick (with at least a Schuab outlook), & I'd like to see Kaepernick in here as well, maybe Ryan Nassib...

My thinking is that there's just not the quality of guys coming out that are truly worth a 1st round pick. We're grading on a bell curve of what's available. As long as O'Brien can keep us in the play offs, I'll give him time to find his QB. He's going to have to be in love with the guy for said QB to actually do something special. I don't want to see OB doing the best he can with "what was available at the time."

 

[thunderkyss]

Meanwhile, O'Brien has consistently avoided investing in the position and is instead content to go dumpster diving for bargain deals on replacement level talents.

Is "consistently" the right word after two seasons... actually just past halfway of season 2.

 

[WolverineFan]

Is "consistently" the right word after two seasons... actually just past halfway of season 2.

Signed Ryan Fitzpatrick in FA. Used 4th round pick on backup QB. Traded 7th round pick for Ryan Mallett. Signed Brian Hoyer in FA. Had opportunity to draft guys like Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr and passed on all of them.

It seems pretty consistent regardless of how short his reign has been.

 

[Lucky]

My thinking is that there's just not the quality of guys coming out that are truly worth a 1st round pick.

History says that you're going to be wrong. Much more often than not, there is at least one good QB in a draft. And letting O'Brien continue to trot out scab QBs because he backs into the playoffs in a bad division (which has has yet to accomplish) is not the "right track". He needs to find a QB he likes, or have one forced upon him. Then coach the guy up like the QB guru he was hired to be. O'Brien has been waiting for his wave for 2 years. It's passed time he jumped on his board and start riding.

 

[thunderkyss]

And letting O'Brien continue to trot out scab QBs because he backs into the playoffs in a bad division (which has has yet to accomplish) is not the "right track".

I must have a different definition of "backs into" than most. We were sitting at 3-5, from that point on, there's no such thing as "backing into" with the Bengals, Patriots, & @ Indy on the schedule. But I also mentioned we could be 10-6, miss the playoffs & I'd be on your side of the argument. We need to compete well against the AFC, not just the AFC South.

He needs to find a QB he likes, or have one forced upon him. Then coach the guy up like the QB guru he was hired to be. O'Brien has been waiting for his wave for 2 years. It's passed time he jumped on his board and start riding.

Just imagine Pete Carol did this. Drafted a guy in the first round because it was his third year there & he needed to draft a QB.

Or Parcells in when he was in Dallas.

Still, I find it hard to be upset with a coach who is 18-14 or 19-13 over his first two seasons, just because he didn't draft a QB. I'd just as soon draft the next Adrian Peterson or Jamal Charles than throw a pick forcing a QB.

 

[infantrycak]

I must have a different definition of "backs into" than most. We were sitting at 3-5, from that point on, there's no such thing as "backing into" with the Bengals, Patriots, & @ Indy on the schedule. But I also mentioned we could be 10-6, miss the playoffs & I'd be on your side of the argument. We need to compete well against the AFC, not just the AFC South.

I don't get the logic of putting so much significance on making the playoffs on the QB position. Why does making the playoffs at 9-7 reflect better on your QB than missing them at 10-6?

Just imagine Pete Carol did this. Drafted a guy in the first round because it was his third year there & he needed to draft a QB.

Pete Carroll took the shot we are talking about - a QB in the 1st 3 rounds.

Or Parcells in when he was in Dallas.

Parcells started a 2nd and then 2 1st before starting Romo in his last year.

I'd just as soon draft the next Adrian Peterson or Jamal Charles than throw a pick forcing a QB.

Cuz those guys are low hanging fruit each year.

 

[Lucky]

I'd just as soon draft the next Adrian Peterson or Jamal Charles than throw a pick forcing a QB.

This argument is tired. It's a QB driven league and a team has to have a good QB to succeed. It's a waste of my time to make the argument. Bill O'Brien has wasted enough of our time. Get a QB.

 

[ObsiWan]

It's not rocket science, they have to draft a QB and begin to develop him. Not a late round flyer on a project, but a guy with tools and production. There's someone in every draft, and it's their job to find the guy. Not mine.

In 2014, the Texans had the pick of the litter and passed in each of the top 2 rounds. If they aren't drafting high enough to get that guy this year, they better find a way to get there. Yes, drafting a 1st round QB is a gamble. Every pick is a gamble regardless of position. Some teams are going to win and get their franchise QB. Some are going to lose (I'm talking about you, Cleveland). But you're going to lose for certain if you don't play. It's about time the Texans brain trust figures this out.

Thing is more teams roll snake-eyes than come up with a Rodgers or a Luck. O'Brien seems to be the type to pick a guy for what's between his ears just as much as arm strength. That's why he's rolled with "smart guys" (Fitzy) or guys that are familiar with his offense (Hoyer, Mallett, Keenum).

Who in the upcoming draft has the smarts to run this offense?

 

[Lucky]

Who in the upcoming draft has the smarts to run this offense?

Fitzmagic and Hoyer have both looked bone-headed in this offense, at times. There's nothing special about the Texans offense in relation to other NFL offenses. Any of the top prospects should be able to pick it up, just as the guys from the past 2 drafts could have. That's why you hire an O'Brien. To teach the QB.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Thing is more teams roll snake-eyes than come up with a Rodgers or a Luck. O'Brien seems to be the type to pick a guy for what's between his ears just as much as arm strength. That's why he's rolled with "smart guys" (Fitzy) or guys that are familiar with his offense (Hoyer, Mallett, Keenum).

Who in the upcoming draft has the smarts to run this offense?

I think Teddy, Carr, or Garoppolo could have; Brett Hundley would have had a chance; Goff, Wentz, or Cook could.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't get the logic of putting so much significance on making the playoffs on the QB position. Why does making the playoffs at 9-7 reflect better on your QB than missing them at 10-6?

It's just my opinion, but people play/coach differently when games have meaning. After 8 games, the stage is set & teams pretty much know what they need to do to get into the play offs. For some teams, they're already out of the conversation. For others, we know.

For us, winning this game is important. When we kick off, our team will know that we need to win this game. Chances are Hoyer & OB are going to be timid. Hoyer will probably choke & freeze up. We won't be able to move the ball & the Bills will go up by three scores... & the game is over.

That's a minus 1 for Hoyer & OB (& the rest of the team) for me.

Indy can lose this week, or next, then we're back into must win situation... that's a second opportunity for them to get the job done.

To summarize, that 9th win may decide whether you're in the play offs or not. That 10th win may have no bearing whatsoever on your season. Winning it is about like throwing three TDs when you're down by 30. Looks good in retrospect, but a gigantic waste of time.

Pete Carroll took the shot we are talking about - a QB in the 1st 3 rounds.

If drafting a QB in the third round would satisfy Lucky... then I apologize.

I'm not against drafting a QB in the first or second even. I just don't think it's as imperative as most think. If we do draft a guy in the first, I'd be happy. But I'd expect to hear that Rick Smith picked him without OB's buy in three years from now, if it appears to not be working.

Parcells started a 2nd and then 2 1st before starting Romo in his last year.

True... true.

Cuz those guys are low hanging fruit each year.

Not exactly. But I contend we'd have two, maybe three more wins had we drafted a guy who could produce as well as Tod Gurly or Devonte Freeman in 2015 where we'd be more forgiving had we drafted a QB & were 4-7 right now.

I mean, winning is important, unless you're developing a QB.

But you're right, we could have drafted Petty & Freeman in this last draft.

 

[Speedy]

Hoping is the operative word. Expecting it to go there would have been foolish.

Well, when you make a ridiculous statement, there's no other place for it to go. Hoping Hoyer is good is one thing. To declare it so, especially based on one stat (QBR), that's the foolish part.

 

[Norg]

I think we are all on the bandwagon cus he's like the only qb on the roster lol

 

[The Pencil Neck]

My big hope is that OB drafted Savage in the 4th with the express intention of sitting him for a couple of years to allow him to learn the offense completely before shoving him out onto the field. AND that Savage has taken these past two years and has actually developed into a better QB than Hoyer.

To ride TK's coattails, I don't think OB is going to draft a QB early because he doesn't think there's a college guy out there who can come in here and learn his offense in a year and know it well enough to operate it the way OB wants it operated.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong but I suspect this may be the way OB is approaching the QB position.

 

[thunderkyss]

...I don't think OB is going to draft a QB early because he doesn't think there's a college guy out there who can come in here and learn his offense in a year and know it well enough to operate it the way OB wants it operated.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong but I suspect this may be the way OB is approaching the QB position.

That, & I don't think he likes this idea of a QB savior... get the right QB & everything else fixes itself. & with Hoyer or Savage out there, it's easier to get the message across, "Do your job." Where if they have a Peytong or Brady (or Luck, or Mariotta) the team starts to put more on his plate, the way fans do. They may not say it, but that's how they play.

At the same time, if he's picking in the top 5 & there's a Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Andrew Luck there, he'll take him if he can.

 

[DocBar]

My big hope is that OB drafted Savage in the 4th with the express intention of sitting him for a couple of years to allow him to learn the offense completely before shoving him out onto the field. AND that Savage has taken these past two years and has actually developed into a better QB than Hoyer.

To ride TK's coattails, I don't think OB is going to draft a QB early because he doesn't think there's a college guy out there who can come in here and learn his offense in a year and know it well enough to operate it the way OB wants it operated.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong but I suspect this may be the way OB is approaching the QB position.

This is my position, also. Regardless, you have to piss with the cock you've got, and for the forseeable future, Brian Hoyer is that cock. I can't do anything but root for him to succeed.

 

[Scooter]

The argument that I see isn't that it's easy to hit on a quarterback with an early pick. It isn't. The draft is a lottery for every position and homeruns can go to the wrong team and become nothing, while others can go to the perfect spot and become Aaron Rodgers. The odds are low, but tell me what the odds are if you don't even try. Grooming a late round quarterback is nice, and should be a recurrent theme every few years, but that's Plan B.

Carson Palmer
Andy Dalton
Cam Newton
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Derek Carr
Philip Rivers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Joe Flacco
Teddy Bridgewater
Alex Smith
Matt Stafford

For all of the misses in other lists denoting how dangerous it is to take a shot at early quarterbacks, this list says you need to take a swing in the first couple rounds - almost exclusively the first. It sucks to strike out, but I don't know of any homeruns made with your bat on your shoulder.

 

[thunderkyss]

The argument that I see isn't that it's easy to hit on a quarterback with an early pick. It isn't. The draft is a lottery for every position and homeruns can go to the wrong team and become nothing, while others can go to the perfect spot and become Aaron Rodgers. The odds are low, but tell me what the odds are if you don't even try.

I've got no problem with drafting a guy like Rogers, you thought he'd be gone way before your pick & you're as surprised as anyone that he's there at your pick.

Like Bridgewater falling past 19.

But drafting a QB at 25 who shouldn't be drafted till 44 just because you "have to take a chance"

Maybe that's not what you mean. But it's hard to tell when these discussions go round & round.

 

[Scooter]

I've got no problem with drafting a guy like Rogers, you thought he'd be gone way before your pick & you're as surprised as anyone that he's there at your pick.

Like Bridgewater falling past 19.

But drafting a QB at 25 who shouldn't be drafted till 44 just because you "have to take a chance"

Maybe that's not what you mean. But it's hard to tell when these discussions go round & round.

Not really aimed at you TK, but I dislike the line of thinking that reaching isn't allowed. With the first pick in the draft we could've had anyone ... that should never be limited to who is voted in the top 5. If your guy is slated to go at 15 and you have the second overall ... take him. If your quarterback is there, and he runs a risk of not being there in the next round ... take him. There are a handful of quarterbacks coming out this season, somebody's going to be worth taking in the vicinity of our first pick. It might require trading up, it might require reaching - but a chance has to be taken for next season and for our future as a franchise. The wheels are eventually going to fall off this bandaid situation (I do enjoy mixing metaphors), and for the future of the franchise a legitimate starting 'franchise' quarterback needs to be found. Where he's going to be found is in the first round of the draft. We've missed a couple already, we can't afford to keep the bat on our shoulders out of fear.

 

[powda]

Like Bridgewater falling past 19.

But drafting a QB at 25 who shouldn't be drafted till 44 just because you "have to take a chance"

Does talent or market dictate a pick? If there's one capable qb in a draft and we need a qb...get him (within reason ofcourse.)

 

[infantrycak]

But drafting a QB at 25 who shouldn't be drafted till 44 just because you "have to take a chance"

Maybe that's not what you mean. But it's hard to tell when these discussions go round & round.

Why do people try to turn this into a reach scenario?

And then as powda alludes, what's really a reach? These guys don't come with little price tags sequentially numbered like all the draftnik boards rank them. On an NFL draft board there may be 10 players ranked horizontally with the same value so the 25th player on the board has the same value as the 34th in that team's opinion. Plus players have different values to different teams. If it isn't just crazy folks need to get over this false precision in value.

 

[thunderkyss]

Does talent or market dictate a pick? If there's one capable qb in a draft and we need a qb...get him (within reason ofcourse.)

I agree with that. I hope there's a QB in this draft that our front office is willing to trade our next two drafts to get. I also hope we don't have to.

I'm only assuming they didn't see that guy in 2014. I'm only assuming they didn't see that guy in 2015. I hope they don't lower their standard, just to get someone.

It's completely plausible that OB saw "his" guy in the last two drafts & Rick got too cute with the picks.

In that case, there's a problem & it needs to be fixed.

But, imo, if OB cab coach this team to be a consistent playoff team, then I feel better about him adding a QB to the team & going all the way.

 

[thunderkyss]

So who was the guy in the 2015 draft? Who did the Texans consistently ignore the position with?

Who were they supposed to draft?

 

[Scooter]

So who was the guy in the 2015 draft? Who did the Texans consistently ignore the position with?

Who were they supposed to draft?

Wasn't really anybody last year, that's how it goes sometimes. That's why nobody's mentioned the 2015 draft (or 2013). Going all in on a trade-up for Mariota was a possibility, but most folks are still upset that the quarterback heavy 2014 draft passed us by. 2016 looks promising right now as another potential QB draft, and the concern is that there are several that will be taken in the first three rounds - that O'Brien will for whatever reason decide that he has a better solution. Or worse, he goes again with 'his guy' - this time being from Penn State instead of New England - because he's still too green and full of ego to know better.

 

[thunderkyss]

Wasn't really anybody last year, that's how it goes sometimes.

Would you be satisfied if OB took a guy in the third?

 

[Scooter]

Would you be satisfied if OB took a guy in the third?

Unlikely. If one of the top guys falls off because he's too short or whatever, yeah I can get behind the pick. Very unlikely though. The only 3rd rounder that is something in the NFL right now is Russell Wilson. Russell was taken as potential, an insurance for the highly paid Matt Flynn ... he wasn't expected to come in and win the job as a rookie. He, much like Brady - is the exception. Infantry extends his range to the 3rd round, I don't. My 'franchise qb' range is top 60.

 

[ObsiWan]

The argument that I see isn't that it's easy to hit on a quarterback with an early pick. It isn't. The draft is a lottery for every position and homeruns can go to the wrong team and become nothing, while others can go to the perfect spot and become Aaron Rodgers. The odds are low, but tell me what the odds are if you don't even try. Grooming a late round quarterback is nice, and should be a recurrent theme every few years, but that's Plan B.

Carson Palmer (2003, 1st overall)
Andy Dalton (2011, 2nd rd)
Cam Newton (2011, 1st overall)
Aaron Rodgers (2005 1st,#24)
Ben Roethlisberger (2004, 1st, #11)
Derek Carr (2014, 2nd, #36)
Philip Rivers (2004, 1st rd, #4)
Drew Brees (2001, 2nd, #32)
Russell Wilson (2012, 3rd, #75)
Matt Ryan (2008, 1st, #3)
Eli Manning (2004, 1st overall)
Peyton Manning (1998, 1st overall)
Joe Flacco (2008, 1st, #18)
Teddy Bridgewater (2014, 1st, #32)
Alex Smith (2005, 1st overall)
Matt Stafford (2009, 1st overall)

For all of the misses in other lists denoting how dangerous it is to take a shot at early quarterbacks, this list says you need to take a swing in the first couple rounds - almost exclusively the first. It sucks to strike out, but I don't know of any homeruns made with your bat on your shoulder.

If your overall point is you gotta identify and go after your guy in the early rounds (rd 1 or 2) if you expect to hit on a 'gem', I doubt anyone disagrees. Odnly four guys on your list were drafted outside round one. And three of those four went in round 2.

My question is: what the hell is O'Brien looking for? I postulated brains (I mean, how many times have you heard O'Brien use the term 'smart' when praising a player?) over size/arm strength but some of you say 'no'.
So then what?

If you're curious, here's a link showing when every NFL QB was drafted going back to 1980. For every 'hit' there are half-dozen misses. But I agree, you gotta try.

 

[Marshall]

The argument that I see isn't that it's easy to hit on a quarterback with an early pick. It isn't. The draft is a lottery for every position and homeruns can go to the wrong team and become nothing, while others can go to the perfect spot and become Aaron Rodgers. The odds are low, but tell me what the odds are if you don't even try. Grooming a late round quarterback is nice, and should be a recurrent theme every few years, but that's Plan B.

Carson Palmer
Andy Dalton
Cam Newton
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Derek Carr
Philip Rivers
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Joe Flacco
Teddy Bridgewater
Alex Smith
Matt Stafford

For all of the misses in other lists denoting how dangerous it is to take a shot at early quarterbacks, this list says you need to take a swing in the first couple rounds - almost exclusively the first. It sucks to strike out, but I don't know of any homeruns made with your bat on your shoulder.

The point is not that you can't hit a homerun with your bat on your shoulder, it's that you can't hit a homerun swinging at unhitable pitches. You can; however, score that way with 4 walks. The point is to score, not to hit the home run.

 

[thunderkyss]

Wasn't really anybody last year

Would you be satisfied if OB took a guy in the third?

Unlikely.

Ok, just making sure that some of us here are arguing we should take a QB in the first two rounds.

Which I get.

What I don't get is how some are so upset at OB/SlickRick for not "addressing" the QB situation the last two seasons when there wasn't anyone to speak of last year beyond Winston & Mariota... Especially when no one would sign off on what would have been required to secure the second spot in the draft from our division Rival.

Upset about not getting Bridgewater in 2014... I get it, but OB put Savage in the same category as Bridgewater. Maybe he believes that, who knows? But we're in the middle of season 2... a little early to get all, "They better draft a QB!!!!"

TE, RB, Safety... first three picks would help any QB look great in 2016.

 

[infantrycak]

What I don't get is how some are so upset at OB/SlickRick for not "addressing" the QB situation the last two seasons when there wasn't anyone to speak of last year beyond Winston & Mariota... Especially when no one would sign off on what would have been required to secure the second spot in the draft from our division Rival.

If you look closely a lot of it is contingent prospective. Lots of folks predicting no QB drafted and Hoyer starting again next year. So a lot of comments are based on IF that happens. That will make 3 draft classes and there will have been QBs available in 2.

And frankly the dearth of QBs in 2015 shows why you don't pass on prospects like in 2014. You don't know when the next opportunity will come. If they had taken TB, Carr or Garoppolo they'd have had 2 years to decide if they were going to make it or needed to get back on the QB carousel in 2016.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yes! You heard me right.

I believe we have a GOOD QB at the helm now and I'm anxious to see where he goes from here.

He is currently ranked 14th by one metric (one of the QBR type ratings) with 3 of those above him having completed less than 10 passes making him ABOVE AVERAGE

!http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&qualified=true

Hoyer had an OK game. He missed 2 wide open long TD passes. One where he hit Griffin for a long gain, Hopkins was wide open deep down the left sideline and Hoyer missed seeing him. The other was when he was late down the middle and threw the INT. He had Shorts wide open running behind the defense and Hoyer didn't see him. Then Hoyer appeared to go into a shell after he INT. We dont know if this is due to BOB pulling in the reigns or Hoyer losing confidence?

Over all I give Hoyer a B for last weeks game.

 

[hradhak]

Hoyer will be fine for the next year while the qb we draft gets the system down. I'd like a solid competition between the draft pick and Savage to see who that is.

Our defense is good enough to get us to the playoffs. But to go deep in the playoffs we need a QB who can make plays. Hoyer can get us there but I think his one to two wtf plays will ultimately cost us games. Maybe he improves over time but as of now we need to be drafting a first or second round pick to improve at the position

 

[infantrycak]

Hoyer will be fine for the next year while the qb we draft gets the system down.

This is the other thing, even if you/OB are satisfied with Hoyer for another year, why wait until you are dissatisfied to draft a new guy? Draft someone while you are happy enough to not feel forced to start him immediately.

 

[thunderkyss]

If you look closely a lot of it is contingent prospective. Lots of folks predicting no QB drafted and Hoyer starting again next year. So a lot of comments are based on IF that happens. That will make 3 draft classes and there will have been QBs available in 2.

Which I still find curious. Well, this argument started when we were on our way to 3-5, perhaps folks are less adamant, or would be if we finish 11-5, or 10-6

And frankly the dearth of QBs in 2015 shows why you don't pass on prospects like in 2014. You don't know when the next opportunity will come. If they had taken TB, Carr or Garoppolo they'd have had 2 years to decide if they were going to make it or needed to get back on the QB carousel in 2016.

I don't see much difference between Garoppolo & Savage. They're both projects. One is prototypical size from a major conference & a pro style offense, the other is short.

These guys don't come with little price tags sequentially numbered like all the draftnik boards rank them. On an NFL draft board there may be 10 players ranked horizontally with the same value so the 25th player on the board has the same value as the 34th in that team's opinion. Plus players have different values to different teams. If it isn't just crazy folks need to get over this false precision in value.

 

[thunderkyss]

Hoyer will be fine for the next year while the qb we draft gets the system down. I'd like a solid competition between the draft pick and Savage to see who that is.

Our defense is good enough to get us to the playoffs. But to go deep in the playoffs we need a QB who can make plays. Hoyer can get us there but I think his one to two wtf plays will ultimately cost us games. Maybe he improves over time but as of now we need to be drafting a first or second round pick to improve at the position

I'm not a Hoyer fan. The only reason I turned so far against him was that Arian got hurt before the season & was projected to miss 3/4s of the season.

I know who Hoyer is without a strong run game & we've seen that guy here. But, when Cleveland had their run game clicking Hoyer & their defense dominating, Hoyer was a baller. He did more than your avg game manager would be expected to.

If our defense keeps giving him short fields, & we learn to run on 3rd & 4, Hoyer may be all the QB we need to win the AFC.

 

[TexansFight]

Yes! You heard me right.

I believe we have a GOOD QB at the helm now and I'm anxious to see where he goes from here.

He is currently ranked 14th by one metric (one of the QBR type ratings) with 3 of those above him having completed less than 10 passes making him ABOVE AVERAGE

!http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&qualified=true

Lay off the drugs. Hoyer sucks.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hoyer sucks, that is all.

 

[powda]

Hoyer sucks, that is all.

I concur.

 

[kingtexan]

How is the fan club working for you? Idiots.