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Bryan Hoyer Fan Club

Marshall said:
Yes! You heard me right.

I believe we have a GOOD QB at the helm now and I'm anxious to see where he goes from here.

He is currently ranked 14th by one metric (one of the QBR type ratings) with 3 of those above him having completed less than 10 passes making him ABOVE AVERAGE!
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Alright step away from Thorn's mango pipe.

Makes Thorn more cerebral, makes you goofy!
 
As an analyst, it pains me to see people take a seriatim list and assume it is linear in graph form.

Venus is 25 million miles closer to the sun than Earth. Earth is 225 million miles closer to the sun than Mars. Yet they are ranked 2-3-4 in seriatim distances to the sun.

Hoyer is Pluto, which no one can determine if it is really a planet or not.
 
i mean, i've been on the side of defending him for those who've been overly critical of his play as of late............but i'm not going to call him "good"...I'd have to see him win us a couple of big games before i even consider going there.
 
I had bought into the "Hoyer isn't the answer" club, but really there isn't enough data to say. This is only his second season, and I won't hold being in Cleveland against him.

No opinion right now other than he is the best we have and has earned the right to show us what he can do the rest of the way. It's not like we have a lot of other options.
 
TD said:
I had bought into the "Hoyer isn't the answer" club, but really there isn't enough data to say. This is only his second season, and I won't hold being in Cleveland against him.

No opinion right now other than he is the best we have and has earned the right to show us what he can do the rest of the way. It's not like we have a lot of other options.
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I'm with you to a point. His current pace will have him around 20-24 TD's and 9-10 ints..which wouldn't be great, but it'd be decent & that'd obviously be a career year for him considering the # of serious opportunities he's had to start. The only other place he's had an opportunity is Cleveland & we know what kind of dumpster fire they are. So while it's too early to say that he's "good" in the sense Marshall is trying to say, There's not enough data to suggest that his performance at his previous stops before this hold much weight in what he can/will be going forward.
 
How does this thread not receive an immediate ban? Or at least a couple days off with the note "get your life right". I've posted plenty of dumb stuff when too drunk to stand up safely, but there should be limits.
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Will the real Brian Hoyer please stand up, please stand up?

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I believe Hoyer is better than most posters on this board give him credit for, but there's a fair amount of space between that and "good".

What I also believe is that he's very unlikely to be the starter next year - unless it's in a short-term starter/mentor role to get a young QB acclimated to the NFL. I base that on the fact that while I believe Hoyer's better than most appear to, he's not an obvious upgrade over what Fitzy was last season. Clearly what Fitzy did wasn't enough to satisfy O'Brien and whoever else was involved in the decision. By that same token, I don't see why anyone believes O'Brien will evaluate Hoyer when the time comes, and decide he's okay moving forward with him as the starter. Yeah, he probably didn't really upgrade much when he decided to move on from Fitzy (and I'm not inclined to argue with anyone saying he didn't upgrade it at all). And yeah, I agree he completely bungled the handling of the personnel aspect of the position up until the time they let Mallett go. But neither of those two things have anything to do with the level of performance he expects from the position, and in a nutshell, I believe that if Fitzy didn't meet those expectations, neither does/will Hoyer.
 
Just before kickoff last Sunday, I thought I heard Hoyer saying "I think I can. I think I can."
 
ChampionTexan said:
I believe Hoyer is better than most posters on this board give him credit for, but there's a fair amount of space between that and "good".

What I also believe is that he's very unlikely to be the starter next year - unless it's in a short-term starter/mentor role to get a young QB acclimated to the NFL. I base that on the fact that while I believe Hoyer's better than most appear to, he's not an obvious upgrade over what Fitzy was last season. Clearly what Fitzy did wasn't enough to satisfy O'Brien and whoever else was involved in the decision. By that same token, I don't see why anyone believes O'Brien will evaluate Hoyer when the time comes, and decide he's okay moving forward with him as the starter. Yeah, he probably didn't really upgrade much when he decided to move on from Fitzy (and I'm not inclined to argue with anyone saying he didn't upgrade it at all). And yeah, I agree he completely bungled the handling of the personnel aspect of the position up until the time they let Mallett go. But neither of those two things have anything to do with the level of performance he expects from the position, and in a nutshell, I believe that if Fitzy didn't meet those expectations, neither does/will Hoyer.
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See i think he is an upgrade over Fitz b/c he takes better care of the ball which was ultimately one of if not the biggest reason why O'brien moved on from Fitz imo. Fitz started 12 games for us last year & before he was benched he had 11 TD's to 8 ints and had fumbled the ball 5 times. I may be off but i can only remember Hoyer fumbling once all year (KC). He's also on pace to throw around only 11 ints for the entire year. OB's offense places premiums on ball control & clearly, from those numbers we can also see that Hoyer much more often than not, makes better decisions with the ball than Fitz and allows BoB to control the ball with his offense much better.
 
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Well, Hoyer is like any other player, if he does well, I love him, if he doesn't, I'll say horrible nasty things about him in here. Football fans, during the heat of a season, sometimes have very short memories. In this case, I'll forget about his ineffectiveness in the past and celebrate his current status as a decent QB if he keeps it up. Yall forget to soon the lesson we learned from the Schaub deal. A whole lot of us hated that deal, hated Schaub before he even put on a uniform, but once he got our offense going we seemed to forgot a lot of our hate.

Consider me a fence sitter on the subject of Hoyer though.
 
Mr teX said:
See i think he is an upgrade over Fitz b/c he takes better care of the ball which was ultimately one of if not the biggest reason why O'brien moved on from Fitz imo. Fitz started 12 games for us last year & before he was benched he had 11 TD's to 8 ints and had fumbled the ball 5 times. I may be off but i can only remember Hoyer fumbling once all year (KC). He's also on pace to throw around only 11 ints for the entire year. OB's offense places premiums on ball control & clearly, from those numbers we can also see that Hoyer much more often than not, makes better decisions with the ball than Fitz and allows BoB to control the ball with his offense much better.
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That's kind of stat cherry picking using Fitz before getting benched. Bottom line Fitz/Hoyer TD% 5.4/5.7 INT% 2.6/1.9. Fumbles are 5/3 on 324/264 att. So modest advantage Hoyer. But hey modest advantage is a good thing.
 
infantrycak said:
That's kind of stat cherry picking using Fitz before getting benched. Bottom line Fitz/Hoyer TD% 5.4/5.7 INT% 2.6/1.9. Fumbles are 5/3 on 324/264 att. So modest advantage Hoyer. But hey modest advantage is a good thing.
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Yeah, I pulled those stats to illustrate the fact that Fitz' turnover issues were likely a huge part of the reason why he was benched...when he came back after the benching i remember how everyone was saying how he looked so much better than he did prior to his benching...big reason for that was b/c his TO's were down. Most also felt that maybe if we'd have benched Fitz early that year we might've won at least 1 more game that could've put us in the playoffs & that thinking might've possibly entered BoB's mind this year and why he was so quick on the trigger with benching Hoyer this year after he committed 2 early TO's against KC. who knows..

But like you said even a modest advantage is a good thing.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, I pulled those stats to illustrate the fact that Fitz' turnover issues were likely a huge part of the reason why he was benched...when he came back after the benching i remember how everyone was saying how he looked so much better than he did prior to his benching...big reason for that was b/c his TO's were down. Most also felt that maybe if we'd have benched Fitz early that year we might've won at least 1 more game that could've put us in the playoffs & that thinking might've possibly entered BoB's mind this year and why he was so quick on the trigger with benching Hoyer this year after he committed 2 early TO's against KC. who knows..

But like you said even a modest advantage is a good thing.
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I pretty much agree with you that Hoyer's going to end up being an upgrade to Fitz, I just think it's a pretty small one, and I don't want to get into an argument with anyone who disagrees since it's an distinction that's irrelevant to my point. You mentioned how much better Fitz looked when he came back from being benched, but that's still the Fitz that O'Brien didn't want to roll with in 2015. I just feel like the decision made regarding Fitz shows the level of play that this coaching staff wants to see, and Hoyer doesn't satisfy the criteria either. Wanting better and actually achieving better are two different things, so even if I'm right about the Texans in regard to the first one, we'll have to wait to see how well they end up achieving the second one.
 
I think there may be more upside to Hoyer than we have seen so far. If the O-line gives him time to throw AND we establish some semblance of a running game I think he can do a decent job at QB. Let's face it, at this point we are relying on the D to win games and the O not to lose them.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I pretty much agree with you that Hoyer's going to end up being an upgrade to Fitz, I just think it's a pretty small one, and I don't want to get into an argument with anyone who disagrees since it's an distinction that's irrelevant to my point. You mentioned how much better Fitz looked when he came back from being benched, but that's still the Fitz that O'Brien didn't want to roll with in 2015. I just feel like the decision made regarding Fitz shows the level of play that this coaching staff wants to see, and Hoyer doesn't satisfy the criteria either. Wanting better and actually achieving better are two different things, so even if I'm right about the Texans in regard to the first one, we'll have to wait to see how well they end up achieving the second one.
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i hear ya...& nor do i
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Hoyer is not a BAD QB.

We've seen BAD quarterbacking.

He's better than Dilfer and Dilfer won a Superbowl.

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Just looking at Dilfer's numbers, I did not remember that he only played one year with the Ravens. That's pretty interesting. He started mid-season when they benched Tony Banks.

As far as Hoyer being better, I guess it's subjective, but if he is, it is marginal, at best.

Now all we need is one of the historically greatest defenses in NFL history for Hoyer to succeed. That, and a solid running game.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm with you to a point. His current pace will have him around 20-24 TD's and 9-10 ints..which wouldn't be great, but it'd be decent & that'd obviously be a career year for him considering the # of serious opportunities he's had to start. The only other place he's had an opportunity is Cleveland & we know what kind of dumpster fire they are. So while it's too early to say that he's "good" in the sense Marshall is trying to say, There's not enough data to suggest that his performance at his previous stops before this hold much weight in what he can/will be going forward.
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To that point:
4-0 when we win the turnover battle (Jax, Ten, Cin, NYJ)
2-2 when we split the turnover battle (Car, TB, Mia, NO)
0-3 when we lose the turnover battle (KC, Atl, Ind)
 
Marshall said:
Yes! You heard me right.

I believe we have a GOOD QB at the helm now and I'm anxious to see where he goes from here.

He is currently ranked 14th by one metric (one of the QBR type ratings) with 3 of those above him having completed less than 10 passes making him ABOVE AVERAGE

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Double Barrel said:
Just looking at Dilfer's numbers, I did not remember that he only played one year with the Ravens. That's pretty interesting. He started mid-season when they benched Tony Banks.

As far as Hoyer being better, I guess it's subjective, but if he is, it is marginal, at best.

Now all we need is one of the historically greatest defenses in NFL history for Hoyer to succeed. That, and a solid running game.
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Hoyer has better completion %, better average, better TD/INT ratio.

We do have a great defense atm.

If we make the dance we have chance.
 
I want to be a part of this club... where do I sign up!?

In all seriousness, I like Hoyer more than most people on here. I think he's an obvious upgrade over Fitz. Does that mean I think he's "good"? Well it all depends on your definition of "good". I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl if the defense continues to play as well as they have these past 4 games. But at the same time, I hope we're looking to upgrade the position this offseason.
 
Grams said:
If he can beat the Patriots, I might consider joining. If he can beat the Pat and Indy and Buffalo and the Jags and the Titans I will definitely join. :)
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What do you mean by "beat the Pats"? Hoyer can have a good game, but Texans still lose. And on the flipside, Hoyer can have a bad game, but Texans still win.
 
After Marshall started the Optimist Club thread, I'm not about to slam this thread. As for Hoyer, he's playing about the best that we've seen out of the QB position as we've seen in franchise history. He might not be piling up the yards, but a 3-1 TD/INT ratio is nothing to sneeze at. Matt Schaub had better stats in some areas, but did he ever sniff 3-1 in that area? 2011, the year that Fat Albert broke.
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Hoyer isn't dead meat and he isn't a world beater, but he can do a decent job. I firmly believe that he'll have to beat out Savage in 2016b to be the Texans QB. I don't see the Texans drafting high enough to get a "franchise" QB and I still have enough faith in OB that Savage might be the answer.
 
DocBar said:
After Marshall started the Optimist Club thread, I'm not about to slam this thread. As for Hoyer, he's playing about the best that we've seen out of the QB position as we've seen in franchise history. He might not be piling up the yards, but a 3-1 TD/INT ratio is nothing to sneeze at. Matt Schaub had better stats in some areas, but did he ever sniff 3-1 in that area? 2011, the year that Fat Albert broke.
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Hoyer isn't dead meat and he isn't a world beater, but he can do a decent job. I firmly believe that he'll have to beat out Savage in 2016b to be the Texans QB. I don't see the Texans drafting high enough to get a "franchise" QB and I still have enough faith in OB that Savage might be the answer.
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I have liked how Savage looks, reminds me kind of how big Ben plays. Not afraid to stand in the pocket and take a hit.
 
Liking Hoyer over Fitz is one thing. To say he's a good QB is another. They all look good against Jacksonville, New Orleans and 2nd and 3rd stringers of Atlanta and Miami.

He's had 5 games with a QB rating of 100 or better. 5 out of 8 games with a QBR of 100 or better. That sounds amazing! But those 5 games were Atlanta, in garbage time, Indy, who had the 28th ranked D at the time, Jacksonville, 32nd in defensive efficiency at the time, Tennessee, the best he's beaten, and New Orleans, worst D on the planet.

And his 1st half against Miami was so bad that his 2nd half garbage time explosion still only netted him a 76.3 QBR.

Brian Hoyer is not a good QB.
 
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I was not a fan of bringing Hoyer for Fitz to become Fitz. Hoyer has played better than i thought he would and become a QB in the same bucket as Fitz. in short, O'Brien has him playing the best of his career. I think he has more confidence in Hoyer as real NFL QB than just about anyone on this board (including Marshall). My prediction (not what i would do) is no 1st round QB pick, no interesting trade or free agent signing, and no legitimate Savage or anyone else competition. 2016 off-season and opening game, Hoyer will be treated as the man by the Texans.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I was not a fan of bringing Hoyer for Fitz to become Fitz. Hoyer has played better than i thought he would and become a QB in the same bucket as Fitz. in short, O'Brien has him playing the best of his career. I think he has more confidence in Hoyer as real NFL QB than just about anyone on this board (including Marshall). My prediction (not what i would do) is no 1st round QB pick, no interesting trade or free agent signing, and no legitimate Savage or anyone else competition. 2016 off-season and opening game, Hoyer will be treated as the man by the Texans.
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What franchise QB is ever available in FA, unless they're injured or otherwise damaged goods?what franchise QB is on the trading block? Kap or RGIII? No thanks.
Franchise QB's simply don't grow on trees and a high 1st round pick doesn't make a QB a franchise QB. Getting one is as much luck as anything else.
Just my two cents.


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DocBar said:
After Marshall started the Optimist Club thread, I'm not about to slam this thread. As for Hoyer, he's playing about the best that we've seen out of the QB position as we've seen in franchise history. He might not be piling up the yards, but a 3-1 TD/INT ratio is nothing to sneeze at.

Hoyer isn't dead meat and he isn't a world beater, but he can do a decent job.
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I can't tell if you guys are trying to make yourselves believe something you know not to be true, or if you believe what you're saying.

I remember after many of our losses talking about how some folks will look back on the stats of those games & say, "See... he's not that bad." Pilling up yards & TDs after the game is out of reach. Reluctant to throw the ball, or simply checking down when the game is in contention.

This is David Carr all over again.

There hasn't been one game, against a good defense that Brian Hoyer has shown he's up to the challenge. The Titans game is about as close as we can get (I respect the Titans D), but he didn't play great in that game. All he had to do was not make a mistake until Mettenberger made a mistake, then feast off what the defense gave him. Really good field position.

If that's what you're calling "good enough" then maybe.

But he didn't play well against the Bengals. Well, he didn't do anything stupid, didn't give up the game... but he didn't move the ball either. He didn't get to play against the Jets... & that's probably a good thing.

Buffalo's defense hasn't been playing up to their potential. Maybe that changes Sunday. The Patriot's defense has been affected by injury... so maybe he doesn't need to play any better than he has.

Maybe that's what y'all are saying. But this "better than expected" stuff... no, this is exactly what I expected. No run game, no offense. Not with Bryan Hoyer under center. Not against the good teams. Not when the division or play offs are on the line.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Hoyer has played better than i thought he would and become a QB in the same bucket as Fitz. in short, O'Brien has him playing the best of his career. I think he has more confidence in Hoyer as real NFL QB than just about anyone on this board (including Marshall).
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Again, I don't think Hoyer is doing any better than he has in the past. It's the same smoke & mirrors... the same fool's gold.

But... but I do think O'Brien has more faith in Hoyer than he did Fitzpatrick. He hasn't handcuffed Hoyer as much. Fitzpatrick's numbers were "so" good last year, because O'Brien ran the ball 40+ times a game. Where Fitz could be a game manager, throwing on third down only when absolutely necessary.

This year, OB is throwing the ball a lot more, leaning on his QB (whoever it happens to be) more than he did last season. He's more apt to call a pass on 3rd & 1 this year, where he ran the ball on 3rd & 4 last season. Most likely that's because the run game had been so bad so far, but that may be changing.

Hopefully we'll see more YAC from guys like Griffen & Shorts and the run game continues to pile on yards and the defense keeps doing what they're doing & we can argue about how good Hoyer "really" is all offseason (because we're not drafting a QB). But right now, I haven't seen anything to change my opinion of Brian Hoyer.
 
thunderkyss said:
....But this "better than expected" stuff... no, this is exactly what I expected. No run game, no offense. Not with Bryan Hoyer under center. Not against the good teams. Not when the division or play offs are on the line.
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I see I'm not the only one thinking in the back of his mind "At least by the time the playoffs get here Yates will have a better grip on the offense. We're going to need him if we get in." :)
 
dream_team said:
I want to be a part of this club... where do I sign up!?

In all seriousness, I like Hoyer more than most people on here. I think he's an obvious upgrade over Fitz. Does that mean I think he's "good"? Well it all depends on your definition of "good". I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl if the defense continues to play as well as they have these past 4 games. But at the same time, I hope we're looking to upgrade the position this offseason.
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DocBar said:
After Marshall started the Optimist Club thread, I'm not about to slam this thread. As for Hoyer, he's playing about the best that we've seen out of the QB position as we've seen in franchise history. He might not be piling up the yards, but a 3-1 TD/INT ratio is nothing to sneeze at. Matt Schaub had better stats in some areas, but did he ever sniff 3-1 in that area? 2011, the year that Fat Albert broke.
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Hoyer isn't dead meat and he isn't a world beater, but he can do a decent job. I firmly believe that he'll have to beat out Savage in 2016b to be the Texans QB. I don't see the Texans drafting high enough to get a "franchise" QB and I still have enough faith in OB that Savage might be the answer.
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I'm in.
Hoyer isn't Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady but he is good enough to be Alex Smith. Until there's someone better on this roster or out there in free agency (that O'Brien goes after) BH is my guy. Personally, I think if we need to upgrade anywhere, right now, it's at RB. We need to find the next Arian Foster or Todd Gurley in the next draft or go after Lamar Miller, Alfred Morris, and Doug Martin who will be F/As this off-season. With our D and a good running game, we could win with Hoyer.

Don't get it twisted, we should never stop looking for the next Aaron Rodgers but until we snag that guy, Hoyer will do.
 
thunderkyss said:
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I can't tell if you guys are trying to make yourselves believe something you know not to be true, or if you believe what you're saying.

I remember after many of our losses talking about how some folks will look back on the stats of those games & say, "See... he's not that bad." Pilling up yards & TDs after the game is out of reach. Reluctant to throw the ball, or simply checking down when the game is in contention.

This is David Carr all over again.

There hasn't been one game, against a good defense that Brian Hoyer has shown he's up to the challenge. The Titans game is about as close as we can get (I respect the Titans D), but he didn't play great in that game. All he had to do was not make a mistake until Mettenberger made a mistake, then feast off what the defense gave him. Really good field position.

If that's what you're calling "good enough" then maybe.

But he didn't play well against the Bengals. Well, he didn't do anything stupid, didn't give up the game... but he didn't move the ball either. He didn't get to play against the Jets... & that's probably a good thing.

Buffalo's defense hasn't been playing up to their potential. Maybe that changes Sunday. The Patriot's defense has been affected by injury... so maybe he doesn't need to play any better than he has.

Maybe that's what y'all are saying. But this "better than expected" stuff... no, this is exactly what I expected. No run game, no offense. Not with Bryan Hoyer under center. Not against the good teams. Not when the division or play offs are on the line.
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All I'm trying to say is that Hoyer isn't a complete train wreck, at this point, and I don't see any way for the Texans to get a true franchise QB unless he's already on the roster. IMHO, that would mean Savage. I have no idea, whatsoever, if it will pan out that way, but it's the best **** the Texans have. It most certainly isn't going to come from FA or a trade, unless OB thinks Manning has something left in the tank.


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thunderkyss said:
Again, I don't think Hoyer is doing any better than he has in the past. It's the same smoke & mirrors... the same fool's gold.

But... but I do think O'Brien has more faith in Hoyer than he did Fitzpatrick. He hasn't handcuffed Hoyer as much. Fitzpatrick's numbers were "so" good last year, because O'Brien ran the ball 40+ times a game. Where Fitz could be a game manager, throwing on third down only when absolutely necessary.

This year, OB is throwing the ball a lot more, leaning on his QB (whoever it happens to be) more than he did last season. He's more apt to call a pass on 3rd & 1 this year, where he ran the ball on 3rd & 4 last season. Most likely that's because the run game had been so bad so far, but that may be changing.

Hopefully we'll see more YAC from guys like Griffen & Shorts and the run game continues to pile on yards and the defense keeps doing what they're doing & we can argue about how good Hoyer "really" is all offseason (because we're not drafting a QB). But right now, I haven't seen anything to change my opinion of Brian Hoyer.
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Confidence is big in this league & more than any other personnel or schematic change, you could argue that the biggest reason for the defense's turnaround is that they are now much more confident in what they're doing...That all started with taking out the trash against an offensively inept Titans team before the bye. So in regards to Hoyer, the bolded is kinda the point. OB can lean a little bit more on Hoyer than he ever did on Fitz, Yates or any other qb he's had under center since he came here b/c he's much more confident in him in that he'll make the right checks at the LOS, get them into the right play & overall make good decisions & take care of the ball...Thus far this year, Hoyer has not disappointed him in that regard; doesn't matter who he's done it against and it's a far cry from the TO machine he was in the 2nd 1/2 of the season for Cleveland last year.....which is all anyone talked about when he was brought here. The proof that he is playing better than he has in the past & better than Fitz is right there in OB's confidence in him, his TO numbers and most importantly, the W's in the Texans record.

System fit matters & anyone who remembers & saw how Hoyer played last year under much worse circumstances cannot possibly say that he's not playing better now than he did when he was in Cleveland.
 
texan279 said:
Stats alone do not make a good QB. I can always count on Hoyer to make 3-4 plays a game that make me say "WTF?"


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Unfortunately, I agree completely. His rainbow punt pass on 3rd down to end the game in Indy immediately comes to mind.

For me, it is only a matter of when, not if, the real Brian Hoyer shows up and we see why he's gone from team to team to team to team.

ArlingtonTexan said:
I was not a fan of bringing Hoyer for Fitz to become Fitz. Hoyer has played better than i thought he would and become a QB in the same bucket as Fitz. in short, O'Brien has him playing the best of his career. I think he has more confidence in Hoyer as real NFL QB than just about anyone on this board (including Marshall). My prediction (not what i would do) is no 1st round QB pick, no interesting trade or free agent signing, and no legitimate Savage or anyone else competition. 2016 off-season and opening game, Hoyer will be treated as the man by the Texans.
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ugh...I think you're right... :choke:doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results...
 
If the Texans don't address the QB situation in the off season, I will be sporting the strongest pink soap available. If this happens, O'Brien, Smith, Cal, the ballboys, everyone must go. I have no problem with Hoyer sticking around and mentoring the future QB. Just don't try to sell me on him being the answer.
 
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