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Browns Cut Shaun Rogers, Others

drs23 said:
OK, we're on the same page then. I was just reflecting on what I've heard/read about the cap remaing the same or even being elevated slightly perhaps, (memory-no link). If that's the case then all these released players are deader than mackerels until a new CBA? Unless one of the 'damn the torpedos, full speed ahead' teams do it anyway?
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I think the biggest telling point will be if we see any of these players signed. If the owners are serious, they will not want to give money to a guy to sit out for awhile. Why buy a truck if you can't drive it for six months?
 
I was listening to 610 this morning.
They played an audio in which Rogers says he wants to play for the Texans.
 
N.D. Kalu works out with Rodgers and speaks highly of Rodgers work ethic.

That's good enough for me. Sign him up. NOW !!!!!!
 
Visiting Washington Redskins..

@Adam_Schefter Former Browns DL Shaun Rogers is visiting the Redskins today. Rogers already has been contacted by multiple teams. #nicetobewanted 19 minutes ago
 
leebigeztx said:
This is why the texans have been so average over the years. Talent trumps the other stuff. The guy is dominant at times and changes the los. Does that mean he will dominate every snap? No, but neither does casey hampton and alot of other 350 lbs d-lineman. You get the guy because he forces double teams, has first step quickness, and can dominate at time. You dont ask rogers to play 70 snaps, you play him 35-50 snaps and you rotate him in with another player. He's a 1st and 2nd down type of player like ted washington was and he played well into his late 30's.

The ideal situation would be rogers on early downs and a guy with more wiggle on passing situations. Maybe even use Okoye on 3rd down on the nose. Alan branch and rogers as nt's make the most sense economically. Either that or spend a boatload on Franklin.
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Believe me I've been one of the ones saying the Texans need to change their stripes and go after talent, despite the background. Heck, I'm a Cowboy fan and see it yearly. But in this case I think his talent is becoming overhyped considering how much he takes off in my book. I mean the Browns are cutting the guy. cost cutting or not, that is an issue for me. As I said, for the right price you can get him and play him 20 snaps. I wouldn't break the bank for the guy.
 
It's shocking that a player would name Houston as a dream scenario.

Except it isn't, actually. Our team's previous 5 years have proven that once you make the roster...you're in as long as you don't get hurt. Steve Slaton being the chief example of my theory. Kris Brown being a lesser example. I don't want to hear how it was mid-season and blah blah blah. You cut kickers who get the shanks no matter how many games are left, and this team's decision-makers couldn't bear to do it. And to add insult to fan injury, they hold a "kicker's competition" as if we had two rookies and had to figure out which is more clutch. LOL. Wow.

Hell, Travis Johnson was here way too long. And Amobi Okoye, though some of his apologists here will disagree, is an inch away from Travis Johnson status too.

The personnel decisions have baffled me. I'd prefer it if Wade just started cleaning house and showing that he's not afraid to make some cuts and add some free agents he can start fresh with. Rogers would have to perform a serious turn-around AND he's got issues with his wheels. And is big. This feels like a Casserly-type of move if it were seriously being considered and/or happened.

Back to the topic, though: Rogers is getting mixed reviews here. I'm seeing conflicting info. Plus, it bothers me that the Redskins are looking at this guy. I'm just sayin'.......smoke everywhere.
 
Here is some info on what Rob Ryan thought about him. Alot of backhanded stuff ...great when trying and healthy basically.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...ryan-had-no-problems-with-dt-shaun-rogers.ece

Cleveland on Wednesday released mammoth nose tackle Shaun Rogers, who had an injury-riddled and disappointing season. New Cowboys' defensive coordinator Rob Ryan ran the Cleveland defense for the last two seasons and professed to like Rogers even during the unproductive season that raised questions about his effort and attitude.

Ryan said during a mid-December media briefing last season that he had no issues with how Rogers played.

"He doesn't need to be in front, doesn't want to be in front," Ryan said. "There are some guys that like to be in front, if you dont know theyll tell you about it. There are guys like that and coaches like that, but some people like to sit back. He (Rogers) does that. He likes his teammates to get all the glory.

"I just wish we had him where he could practice all the time, where he could be healthy. It would be great to see because he really is a dominating force. He's won games for us just by his effort."

According to media reports, Washington has already approached Rogers.
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I'm a little late to this thread but better late than never. I've watched every Browns game for the last few years and have participated in more Rogers threads on Browns' fan boards than I could possibly count.

When he first came to Cleveland he was motivated and had some dominant performances. In the last year or so, basically since Mangini came to town, his production has really dropped off. Some due to injuries and some due to attitude. Due to his injuries and lack of playing time Rubin was drafted to fill in/replace Rogers.

A knock I've had with Rogers, and echoed by many other observers, is that Rogers likes to free-lance on the line and not maintain his assignments. Rogers likes to bull rush strait up the middle and avoid engaging blockers and holding the point. If you watch him closely, he'll rush up the middle avoiding blockers and leaving gaping holes where he should be. The blockers would basically push him to the side creating a free blocker to the second level, creating a massive lane.

Most of us fans wanted him to be moved to DE in the 3/4 to take advantage of his quickness and desire to blitz the QB. We all figured that would be a win/win. Very seldom if ever did that happen.

Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.

If he comes to the Texans, just watch how he plays on the line and see if what I'm telling you is correct. I doubt if this cat changes his spots.
 
texdawg said:
I'm a little late to this thread but better late than never. I've watched every Browns game for the last few years and have participated in more Rogers threads on Browns' fan boards than I could possibly count.

When he first came to Cleveland he was motivated and had some dominant performances. In the last year or so, basically since Mangini came to town, his production has really dropped off. Some due to injuries and some due to attitude. Due to his injuries and lack of playing time Rubin was drafted to fill in/replace Rogers.

A knock I've had with Rogers, and echoed by many other observers, is that Rogers likes to free-lance on the line and not maintain his assignments. Rogers likes to bull rush strait up the middle and avoid engaging blockers and holding the point. If you watch him closely, he'll rush up the middle avoiding blockers and leaving gaping holes where he should be. The blockers would basically push him to the side creating a free blocker to the second level, creating a massive lane.

Most of us fans wanted him to be moved to DE in the 3/4 to take advantage of his quickness and desire to blitz the QB. We all figured that would be a win/win. Very seldom if ever did that happen.

Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.

If he comes to the Texans, just watch how he plays on the line and see if what I'm telling you is correct. I doubt if this cat changes his spots.
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Wow! Thanks for the info, man.

Sounds interesting. Sounds like he has a mind of his own and it might harm the team more than it helps. And I see what you're saying: Once a guy gets older and feels that's his style of play...it's hard to change those spots.

It sounds like the Redskins are trying to repeat Haynesworth history, though, which might spare our team the grief!
 
Answer this one question. Is he better than any DT/NT the Texans have ever had? I'd say yes. So, I'd still give him a chance.
 
Playing the field

According to ESPN Dallas' Calvin Watkins, close to 10 teams are interested in free agent Shaun Rodgers.

ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms that Rogers has been contacted by "multiple" teams. Rogers is visiting the Redskins Friday, though it's believed to be nothing more than an exploratory meeting. Rogers is best used on a four-man line as a disruptive pass rusher, but he can still be effective as a more conventional nose tackle if necessary.
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Redskins making a play for Rogers?February, 11, 2011 Feb 11:44PM ET By Matt Mosley

The Cleveland Browns released nose tackle Shaun Rogers on Wednesday, and it didn't take long for the Washington Redskins to swing into action. Rogers will be at Redskins Park for a visit today, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The Washington Post reported that the talks between Rogers and the Redskins are "extremely preliminary." Rogers will turn 32 soon and he's coming off an unproductive season for the Browns (17 tackles, 2 sacks). Former Cleveland defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, now with the Cowboys, defended Rogers this past December and has always liked the player. If the Cowboys signed him, it would likely signal Jay Ratliff's move to defensive end.

Ratliff's coming off a down season by his standards and he's apparently open to a move. J.I. Halsell from the Post has some helpful analysis on what it might take to sign a player of Rogers' caliber. And ESPN.com AFC North blogger James Walker says that Rogers hasn't been the same player since a huge season in '08.

Rogers is by no means an elite player, but he could still be effective in the middle of a 3-4 scheme. But if you need a guy who can play all 16 games, Rogers isn't the man for the job.
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Like basketball, a quality big is hard to find. That's why even a better than average guy like Rogers is getting so many looks.
 
Twitter@BrianGalliford: Dick Jauron coached S. Rogers in DET, wanted him in Buffalo (got Stroud instead). If he's OK with cutting him, that's all you need to know.
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BTW, Detroit for all those years played the 4-3. Most of Roger's career was in Detroit.
 
If the Texans are seriously considering signing him, I certainly hope that they have contracted with someone other than their often clueless regular Doc-In-The-Box to evaluate his injury status prior to an offer.:wadepalm::kubepalm:
 
If I played for the Lions and Browns, I'd have attitude issues too.

Rodgers certainly did play most of his career in Detroit, with a season or two at defensive end, but one of his most successful seasons was as the nose tackle on the Browns. I don't think anyone here is advocating breaking the bank on the guy, but he'll be a clear upgrade to a position on a new defensive scheme that we'd otherwise be going into the draft with a big question mark. At least with Rodgers, we don't necessarily have to spurge our first rounder on a nose tackle if the quality of players at that position isn't there.

Just gotta hope there aren't that many teams looking to drive his price up so we could get him for a decent ra-

According to ESPN Dallas' Calvin Watkins, close to 10 teams are interested in free agent Shaun Rodgers...
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FML
 
Just an FYI-Rogers played for Dick Jauron in Detroit. Dick Jauron is now the defensive coordinator for the Browns.

Rogers was due a $500,000 bonus and a salary of 5.5 mil this year. Ahtyba Rubin who I believe was a 6th round draft choice is due a salary of $550,000. Rubin has outplayed Rogers hands down, no argument!

Rubin is a much better fit and younger and cheaper. Rubin is who the Texans should be trying to get.

Besides, if Rogers goes to the Redskins and they pair him Haynesworth, the meltdown of those two idiots on the same team will be epic. LOL
 
Yeah, I don't think this indicates Rogers is a good fit here.....

Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years has affected him.

“Shaun’s a different cat,” Heckert told Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. “Shaun’s whole thing — and he’s stated a million times — is that he’s never been on a team that’s any good. Every team he’s ever been on has been bad. Right or wrong, I think it’s taken a toll on him.”

Translation: Rogers half-assed his way through his last season despite having the highest base salary on the team. So it was easy to cut him.

Rogers’ first trip as a free agent was to Washington. Rogers has suffered through ten straight losing seasons as a player and the Redskins don’t seem like the best option if he’s concerned with winning above all.

“I think if he went to a good team, things might change. I don’t know,” Heckert said.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-sends-a-warning-message-about-shaun-rogers/
 
texdawg said:
Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.
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Described him perfectly and your description is exactly why I said earlier that he's not worth any amount of money that isn't just fair market value for an average DT his age. His talent may not be average but over all he's just another average DT because there is no consistency with him and you never know what you're going to get. When he's into it and he's going full force he's practically unstoppable, but that's very rare when he's at that point.

Rogers is the last kind of player that the Texans need right now honestly. He may fill a position of huge need around here, but I won't fault the organization for not going after him. He's not worth the trouble and he probably only wants to come out here because the coaches are relaxed and sweet. A player's coach is the last thing you want for a guy like Rogers.
 
m5kwatts said:
Yeah, I don't think this indicates Rogers is a good fit here.....




http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-sends-a-warning-message-about-shaun-rogers/
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Rogers can probably be a productive part of a winning team if he’s willing to take less money. Players rarely make that sacrifice, though, so Heckert’s comments should serve as a warning to Washington’s front office.

They don’t exactly have a great track record with mercurial veteran defensive tackles.
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........Neither do the Texans...........
 
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).
 
playa465 said:
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).
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Difference is the RB QUIT, leaving multi-millions out there. I don't remember anywhere it is written that Rogers was tired of cashing his lucrative paychecks.:kitten:
 
playa465 said:
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).
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That's exactly the point. While Barry didn't take games off, he quit because he couldn't stand the thought of ruining his body for no reason other than money. To him, the pay wasn't worth it. We have an example of this today with Carson Palmer.

I must concede a good point has been brought up about Rodgers' and his motivation to play for the 6-10 Texans. The Browns were only one game worse than us last year, so would a single game suddenly change the man? I doubt it has so much to do with the wins, but also the environment. Mangini was an egotistical monster and the Detroit is essentially a third world country. Even with a 6-10 record, you would be hard to argue that many (if any?) Texan players were phoning it in.
 
I'd give him an incentive based contract with a reasonable amount of money up front. I'd much rather rely on a Probowler while easing a rookie into the fold in two or three years JMO.
 
gary said:
I'd give him an incentive based contract with a reasonable amount of money up front. I'd much rather rely on a Probowler while easing a rookie into the fold in two or three years JMO.
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You are a wise young man.

I wish the other Gary was aswise as you are.

Of course you've had many more obsticales to overcome in life than the other Gary and this could have something to to with his insecurity.
 
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.
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Have you ever heard anything negative about any Texans players work ethic? The guys who slack off don't play and eventually are moved and there are a fair amount of examples. So he comes here and sees guys like Andre and Mario working and he feels the fire again, fills that big guy role that they need. They would never blow the door down with money but I bet they would sign him to a team friendly deal with a few incentives if he goes crazy. Crazier things have happened...
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.
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True, but you have to sign not just Shaun but also another player to impact the defense. Prove to the whole team that you are willing to correct holes which were there the season before. What needs to be done is a winning attitude for the whole team. That change begins with McNair and funnels on down to the players. I would just hate to have a rookie starting once again i.e. Kareem Jackson.
 
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."
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so true indeed!!!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."
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Cant Rep you

But this sounds like the organization BoB described. When he was talking about how decisions were made about drafting players.
 
A bit of an update on this topic...

Shaun Rogers reveals that he played with a sufficient injury last year with the Browns. Rogers on signing with Houston:

“Like I said it would be most definitely a fairy tale situation, but again you just look forward to exploring all opportunities and hopefully whoever reaches out to me and wherever I go it will most definitely be a positive experience.”

Credit to Cleveland.com

A pro-bowler naming Houston a "fairy tale situation"?!?! THIS CAN'T BE!!!
 
Off-topic:

Was I the only one that noticed Ray Rhodes was hired by the Browns shortly after "retiring" from the Texans?
 
He retired for less than a month. LOL

I would like to hear Rhodes talk about what went on with the Texans defense last yr.
 
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